Quote: (11-07-2014 08:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

With Asians though, their situation does improve with each generation but their core problems with passivity and shyness don't go away, but there's a decent improvement with the Eurasian mixes, I suspect the prevalence of these traits for Asians isn't cultural but genetic. This is more true for Chinese/Korean/Japanese guys then South East Asian's who are more alpha, hence why so many guys were saying Julien could never get away with his Tokyo behaviour in Bangkok in the RSD thread.

Interesting theory but there are problems with this. Koreans are NE Asian and very similar to Japanese in many ways. Yet i'm 100% sure Julien would have gotten his ass kicked hard in S. Korea behaving like that. He probably would have ended up getting his ass kicked at the cop shop too once they realized what he was doing.

It's not so much genetic passivity but the cultural norms. You can say the cultural norms are influenced by genetics but I dunno..that's a tough one to swallow.

My dad is of punjabi decent with blue eyes. He came to Sweden 30 years ago. He was never a player but he told me if wasn't for my mum I would be probably be half swedish. But the bottom line is that he adapted to the cultural norm he was in. He started dressing well, learned the language and started making friends here.
I think it's easier being born into another culture than than just moving to another country and just expect to do well. If you hang around a certain crowd you will eventually take in some that groups behaviour
Problem is for many Indians groups is that they all have the same mentality. Where is the progress in that? The best way for any Indian dudes to develop is to start hanging out with people that are more forward and outgoing.

Quote: (11-07-2014 09:23 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 08:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

With Asians though, their situation does improve with each generation but their core problems with passivity and shyness don't go away, but there's a decent improvement with the Eurasian mixes, I suspect the prevalence of these traits for Asians isn't cultural but genetic. This is more true for Chinese/Korean/Japanese guys then South East Asian's who are more alpha, hence why so many guys were saying Julien could never get away with his Tokyo behaviour in Bangkok in the RSD thread.

Interesting theory but there are problems with this. Koreans are NE Asian and very similar to Japanese in many ways. Yet i'm 100% sure Julien would have gotten his ass kicked hard in S. Korea behaving like that. He probably would have ended up getting his ass kicked at the cop shop too once they realized what he was doing.

It's not so much genetic passivity but the cultural norms. You can say the cultural norms are influenced by genetics but I dunno..that's a tough one to swallow.

Perhaps cultural norms stick to Asian dudes more than Indians over generations, but the Eurasian guys because inbetween makes me wonder otherwise, as does the fact Asian guys have a harder time putting on muscle. Whereas Black guys are the opposites both for muscle and extraversion/confidence. My guess is relative to White, Middle Eastern and Indian people (who are all on a clear genetic continuum) Asians have less testosterone and Blacks have more. Out of all the HBD science this stuff seems the most solid.

Also worth noting it's accepted by mainstream science that testosterone = darker skin (though I don't know if that's also true comparing between races rather within). This is why people's groin area's are darker then the rest of their skin, and why men are darker then women.

Also all the guys I know who mainly date outside their race have mostly white friends. Similarly if a white girl has at least 1 close girlfriend of another race (doesn't matter which) she'll definitely be open to it. These two tests are rock solid.

Quote: (11-07-2014 09:44 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Similarly if a white girl has at least 1 close girlfriend of another race (doesn't matter which) she'll definitely be open to it. These two tests are rock solid.

Hmm, interesting. That's quite true. Every white chic I've ever known that dates out of her race has at least a close friend out of her race. Great point. And when I think of the ones that seem closed off, I look at their FB or Intagram and all their friends are their same demographic. Of course this isn't 100%, I've seen some that have good non-white friends but still are with white guys or prefer them, but of the ones that do date non-white guys(at least occasionally), the close friend test is true. Maybe there's an exception if they live in a place that is extremely white and there aren't many opportunities for non-white friends.

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:40 AM)future Wrote:  

On a slightly unrelated note, I want to know how Indian guys perform online. I tried Tinder for a month once and had horrible results. I blamed it on my race and moved on to real world game.

I didn't really optimize my pictures, so it's not very clear if it was a race thing or not. I might try it again some time in future if I am convinced it's worth the effort.

I'm glad you asked that question This is my post from the Tinder Thread:

Quote:Quote:

I need to write a guide. I just don't have time right now, I'll chip at it little by little.

I've gotten 23+ bangs off tinder since the beginning of this year, one main HB 8 that I dig, I can't give stats on matches vs number close>date>flake or bang rates, reason being I've deleted my app about 5 times now.

However I profile girls pretty well it's definitely more that a 50/50 ratio when it comes to meet and bang ratio. I use sniper game to read girls and know exactly what I want.

Below is a sample (a spreadsheet I keep, that I combed through the last 30 minutes at work) that is out of 22 bangs from tinder:
5 were first date bangs
7 were 2nd date bangs
8 were straight home bangs
12 were 2+ bangs and in my rotation at one point
8 were ONS's
8 were straight to home bangs, no date, no effort
1 HB 8 LTR (while I'm banging on the side)

NOTE: This doesn't include the 2 girls I banged this week so far either.

Future I have a few questions for you:
What's your age ?
Can you describe your face ?
What's your bio for tinder ?
What pictures are you using ?
Are you profiling girls, or mass swiping ?
How are you opening girls and number closing ?

Quote: (11-07-2014 08:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

The dude from Heroes, Tamil

I'd say I definently look like Tamil and a bit of Kal Penn.

^^ Kaotic that's a pretty accurate description of how I look too. I'm from South India as well, hence darker skin.

Haha my friend tells I look like a light skinned version of kal penn but with glasses. Can't see it at all. I look more like one of the less good lookin guys from bollywood

Excellent contribution Cobra, Another + 1 from me if Roosh would allow it. I will put in my 2 cents and see if it can help other brown Players.

I have been through the entire gambit from asking myself why would these white Girls not give me the time of the day ? and would rather go out with a broke Redneck. It bothered me significantly as to why as a successful man with a sucessful career I am not able to attract these white girls to a point that delved into Game/Manosphere & thanks to high heavens landed on RVF and called it home, finally started realizing it was my brown habits and ways of dressing that were keeping them to getting attracted to me.

Not an easy process but over a peroid of last 5 years it has gone from Roosh saying "This is worst reaction I have seen from White Girls" to Cobra saying recently "He's like a Prince and is treating Girls like his concubines"

I started working all the facets at the same time, Working Out, Eating clean and better, Dressing better, Woking on my accent, Using my tongue muscle, telling stories, fixing my Inner game, Head Hunting the Top Guys on the forum and gaming with them is US from East coast to West Coast ... I had the same hurdles like Cobra mentioned . I used to mentally place white girls above me and they can sense that a mile away, now after banging the best of them I don't care anymore.

Some Golden words that I picked up here and there

Giovonny: while trying to help me wrote "Find white Girls that embrace your brownness" what he meant from that was to find the alternative white girls that dig Yoga, Spices, Bhangra. These are the girls who would be wearing the Bob Marley shirt, doing Ganga etc.

Change your hunting ground brown players if you are having trouble, come down south to Nashville, TN and see what kind of response you get. with time location wouldn't matter as much when you are the Most interesting man in the Room.

Entropy4(Mark Manson): In his book Models he writes that stuck with me

" What creates Attraction for people with different race is do something that entirely not stereotypical of your culture"

A light bulb aha kinda moment for me. Now Imagine a Brown Guy in Midwest with a Big Belt Buckle , Wearing Frye Suede Square Toe Cow Boy boots with Crisp Selvedge Jeans, driving a 69 Challanger. Girls do Stop, Look and then look again. They are Intrigued/curious and want to know your story, craft a great one ......That's your foot in, you still have to do the rest of the work and in some cases just play the Fuck up avoidance game.

Krauser: quoted mark manson "Your Opinion of yourself is more Important then any one else's opinion about yourself"

That fixed me Inner Sticky of putting them White girls on a pedestal. There are going to be girls who will not be attracted to you peroid, but work on yourself and that number goes down plus the fact that there are million of girls to be hit on, It still is a numbers game.

Reiterating what has already been said in the thread, A lot of Social Conditioning has to be shed, like being humble, turning the other cheek when some one slaps you. Over the peroid of years I have gone from being the most humble guy ever to the Nice Guy that you don't want to cross. The other day I said a firm NO to my boss to a request that was unfair to me and he understood my point, 5 yrs ago I would have been happy to do it just to avoid the confrontation. same thing applies today to all my relationships even my parent. get it my fellow brown folks.

Happy Hunting out there fellow brown Rooshers.

Quote: (11-07-2014 12:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:40 AM)future Wrote:  

On a slightly unrelated note, I want to know how Indian guys perform online. I tried Tinder for a month once and had horrible results. I blamed it on my race and moved on to real world game.

I didn't really optimize my pictures, so it's not very clear if it was a race thing or not. I might try it again some time in future if I am convinced it's worth the effort.

I'm glad you asked that question This is my post from the Tinder Thread:

Quote:Quote:

I need to write a guide. I just don't have time right now, I'll chip at it little by little.

I've gotten 23+ bangs off tinder since the beginning of this year, one main HB 8 that I dig, I can't give stats on matches vs number close>date>flake or bang rates, reason being I've deleted my app about 5 times now.

However I profile girls pretty well it's definitely more that a 50/50 ratio when it comes to meet and bang ratio. I use sniper game to read girls and know exactly what I want.

Below is a sample (a spreadsheet I keep, that I combed through the last 30 minutes at work) that is out of 22 bangs from tinder:
5 were first date bangs
7 were 2nd date bangs
8 were straight home bangs
12 were 2+ bangs and in my rotation at one point
8 were ONS's
8 were straight to home bangs, no date, no effort
1 HB 8 LTR (while I'm banging on the side)

NOTE: This doesn't include the 2 girls I banged this week so far either.

Future I have a few questions for you:
What's your age ?
Can you describe your face ?
What's your bio for tinder ?
What pictures are you using ?
Are you profiling girls, or mass swiping ?
How are you opening girls and number closing ?

Sweet! Looking forward to your guide if you write one.

And here are the answers to your questions:

1. Age: 28.
2. I'll inbox a pic of my face to you when I go home.
3. I don't remember my bio. It wasn't something very well thought of.
4. Will inbox.
5. I was selective in the beginning but got no matches. Then I mass swpied and got 2 matches in a month one of which was a bot.
6. I didn't get the chance to open because no matches.

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:52 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

" What creates Attraction for people with different race is do something that entirely not stereotypical of your culture"

A light bulb aha kinda moment for me. Now Imagine a Brown Guy in Midwest with a Big Belt Buckle , Wearing Frye Suede Square Toe Cow Boy boots with Crisp Selvedge Jeans, driving a 69 Challanger. Girls do Stop, Look and then look again. They are Intrigued/curious and want to know your story, craft a great one ......That's your foot in, you still have to do the rest of the work and in some cases just play the Fuck up avoidance game.

THIS.

I grew up a skater/surfer/snowboarder (I live in SoCal). I've always been around that scene and the punk rock scene. I'm not a shy introvert (nerdyish) kind of guy.

Some call me a brown Dan Bilzerian Jr or Kumar from White Castle. because I have no filter, I play funny/asshole game, I'm beginning to get a reputation as a player, I drop red pill knowledge, not to mention I have pretty damn good looking beard.

I shoot guns, built my own AR-15, I've cultivated a fun lifestyle that shows on Instagram (SMV) girls always say "You're always doing something fun and going places).

I've always stood out, wether it was my mohawk, fancy mustache, or burly beard. I don't have an accent and I'm pretty articulate (I may downgrade my language depending on where I'm at).

I'm the entirely not stereotypical brown bro and it's WORKED.

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:58 PM)future Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 12:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:40 AM)future Wrote:  

On a slightly unrelated note, I want to know how Indian guys perform online. I tried Tinder for a month once and had horrible results. I blamed it on my race and moved on to real world game.

I didn't really optimize my pictures, so it's not very clear if it was a race thing or not. I might try it again some time in future if I am convinced it's worth the effort.

I'm glad you asked that question This is my post from the Tinder Thread:

Quote:Quote:

I need to write a guide. I just don't have time right now, I'll chip at it little by little.

I've gotten 23+ bangs off tinder since the beginning of this year, one main HB 8 that I dig, I can't give stats on matches vs number close>date>flake or bang rates, reason being I've deleted my app about 5 times now.

However I profile girls pretty well it's definitely more that a 50/50 ratio when it comes to meet and bang ratio. I use sniper game to read girls and know exactly what I want.

Below is a sample (a spreadsheet I keep, that I combed through the last 30 minutes at work) that is out of 22 bangs from tinder:
5 were first date bangs
7 were 2nd date bangs
8 were straight home bangs
12 were 2+ bangs and in my rotation at one point
8 were ONS's
8 were straight to home bangs, no date, no effort
1 HB 8 LTR (while I'm banging on the side)

NOTE: This doesn't include the 2 girls I banged this week so far either.

Future I have a few questions for you:
What's your age ?
Can you describe your face ?
What's your bio for tinder ?
What pictures are you using ?
Are you profiling girls, or mass swiping ?
How are you opening girls and number closing ?

Sweet! Looking forward to your guide if you write one.

And here are the answers to your questions:

1. Age: 28.
2. I'll inbox a pic of my face to you when I go home.
3. I don't remember my bio. It wasn't something very well thought of.
4. Will inbox.
5. I was selective in the beginning but got no matches. Then I mass swpied and got 2 matches in a month one of which was a bot.
6. I didn't get the chance to open because no matches.

Yeah shoot that info.

Your location says canada, where at ? What's your radius and age range you chose ?

Interesting you haven't gotten much, how often do you swipe ? Do you swipe at home and a closer radius by your work ?

Quote: (11-06-2014 08:14 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (11-06-2014 05:39 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

I can attest that a lot of the racial bias is actually a mental block through the example of one of my closest friends whom happens to be Indian. The guy is literally a Euro guy in his style(jackets, peacoats, polos, nice loafers, and black jeans), arrogant to an extreme(including in his extremely liberal beliefs to the point where we are arguing each other tooth and nail), hits the gym everyday(slim but way buffer than me), amateur director, and consistently bangs blonde haired Scandinavian looking or WASP sorority sluts.

But what type of Indian guy was he? Indians vary in looks tremendously. Was he this type:




Or was he this type?



I could see the first type of dude being able to get pretty much any type of girl. The 2nd type of Indian is going to struggle.

The top photo is Hritik Roshan – his skin tone is a little bit lighter than the skin tone of the average Punjabi man (I’m Punjabi, as is Sunny Leone). As for the green or blue eyes – that’s rare, but I do know people with them.

The guy in the second photo has a typical South Indian FOB engineer look. In a lot of parts of South Asia and the Middle East, it’s considered masculine for a guy to have a moustache. Somebody should tell these guys that that shit doesn’t fly in a western country.

If the 2nd guy got a buzz cut, got rid of the moustache, styled himself and sorted out his accent he would do fine.

Quote: (11-07-2014 12:55 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Actually speakeasy it's better to be dark if you're Indian than light. Light skinned Indians get mistaken for Muslim/Pakistani too easily and most IRT behaviour comes from people from those parts of India because they're the poorest and most traditional. So people assocate light brown Indians with worse behaviour. Masculine looking dark Indians get some black guy cool bonus points without the negative stereotypes, fear or judgement from friends and family. Sometimes girl's visiting from countries without many (dark) Indian's actually mistake them for black, I don't know how... I see a lot more dark Indians with white girls than light even with FOB's and there are a lot of Indians here.

Deluge, you’re in Australia, right? I can’t speak for Aus but this definitely isn’t true in UK.

I’m of a Punjabi background and the only people who’ve ever mistaken me for being a Muslim or a Pakistani are Pakistanis! Apart from the religion side there’s almost no difference between a Muslim Pakistani and a Hindu or Sikh Punjabi. Until Pakistani girls started wearing hijab over the last 10 years, I couldn’t even tell the difference (just by looking) between them and Hindu/Sikh Punjabi women. In UK I’ve never had a non-South Asian person confuse me for being a Muslim.

I’ve never heard any non-Indian refer to the skin colour of Indians when talking about them. Punjabi people often tease other Punjabis with dark skin.

This might also surprise you, but to me, I never grew up associating being Indian with dark skin! Just about every South Asian in my home town was Punjabi or Pakistani, and the majority were not dark. There were a few very dark Punjabis, but they were very much seen as outliers. I only met Indians who were not Punjabi when I moved to London for college – even then most of them were Gujurati, who are not as dark as South Indians.

I’m not sure why you think North Indians are poor:

Quote:Quote:

States of India have significant disparities in their average income. Bihar was by far the poorest in India, and per capita income was low in its neighboring states, along with Jammu & Kashmir, Assam, Manipur and Nagaland. The higher income states include Goa, Delhi, Haryana, Punjab, Maharashtra, Gujarat and Kerala.

I was in Punjab earlier this year and everybody in the villages has satellite TVs and cellphones. A lot of them have cars now.

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:40 AM)future Wrote:  

On a slightly unrelated note, I want to know how Indian guys perform online. I tried Tinder for a month once and had horrible results. I blamed it on my race and moved on to real world game.

I didn't really optimize my pictures, so it's not very clear if it was a race thing or not. I might try it again some time in future if I am convinced it's worth the effort.

A long time ago I used to use craigslist in Los Angeles and I would post an ad with no pictures stating something like a “British guy looking for a woman”. At no point did I refer to anything Indian, and there was no photo in the ad. I used to get a lot of replies from mainly white and East-Asian women. When I replied back and said thanks, but the way, I’m of Indian descent”, I would never hear again from probably 95% of them. Again no photos of me were ever shown, so it wasn’t about looks. I guess I could have blamed it on false advertising, since I never specified my ethnicity, but I did get a few replies saying something like “Sorry, I don’t date Indian men.”

Quote: (11-07-2014 09:44 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Similarly if a white girl has at least 1 close girlfriend of another race (doesn't matter which) she'll definitely be open to it. These two tests are rock solid.

In my experience the same is true for east-Asian women – many of them either have a negative opinion of Indian men or don’t know anything about them. I used to date a Japanese-American woman - It turns out that her brother is dating an Indian girl and her best friend is married to a Pakistani.

Quote: (11-07-2014 09:23 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 08:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

With Asians though, their situation does improve with each generation but their core problems with passivity and shyness don't go away, but there's a decent improvement with the Eurasian mixes, I suspect the prevalence of these traits for Asians isn't cultural but genetic. This is more true for Chinese/Korean/Japanese guys then South East Asian's who are more alpha, hence why so many guys were saying Julien could never get away with his Tokyo behaviour in Bangkok in the RSD thread.

Interesting theory but there are problems with this. Koreans are NE Asian and very similar to Japanese in many ways. Yet i'm 100% sure Julien would have gotten his ass kicked hard in S. Korea behaving like that. He probably would have ended up getting his ass kicked at the cop shop too once they realized what he was doing.

It's not so much genetic passivity but the cultural norms. You can say the cultural norms are influenced by genetics but I dunno..that's a tough one to swallow.

I don’t agree with it being genes and I think it’s cultural – weren’t many Japanese men samurai once? Koreans still have military service and very patriotic so I doubt they would take too much shit from foreigners. Japanese men have been castrated culturally since WW2.

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:32 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I grew up a skater/surfer/snowboarder (I live in SoCal). I've always been around that scene and the punk rock scene. I'm not a shy introvert (nerdyish) kind of guy.

Some call me a brown Dan Bilzerian Jr or Kumar from White Castle. because I have no filter, I play funny/asshole game, I'm beginning to get a reputation as a player, I drop red pill knowledge, not to mention I have pretty damn good looking beard.

I shoot guns, built my own AR-15, I've cultivated a fun lifestyle that shows on Instagram (SMV) girls always say "You're always doing something fun and going places).

I've always stood out, wether it was my mohawk, fancy mustache, or burly beard. I don't have an accent and I'm pretty articulate (I may downgrade my language depending on where I'm at).

I'm the entirely not stereotypical brown bro and it's WORKED.

This “nerdy Indian” stereotype is mainly a US thing. In UK Indians are heavily involved in clubbing culture and a lot of nightclubs are owned by Indians. My US born cousins are not nerdy at all. A cousin of mine owns a ranch in northern California – I went to a birthday party there and we were skeet shooting and BBQing all kinds of meat. The DJ even played some country music!

This is 10 year old song done by British Punjabi guys:





The way these guys dress is nothing out of the ordinary. When I first went to India as an adult in the 90s, I was stared at everywhere I went because I dressed so differently to the locals. When I went earlier this year nobody looked twice at me because we were dressed in similar styles – a lot ofthese guys have been picking up style tips from the internet and satellite TV.

This is how a lot of British Indian women dress when going out:

Quote:Quote:

The top photo is Hritik Roshan – his skin tone is a little bit lighter than the skin tone of the average Punjabi man (I’m Punjabi, as is Sunny Leone). As for the green or blue eyes – that’s rare, but I do know people with them.

The guy in the second photo has a typical South Indian FOB engineer look. In a lot of parts of South Asia and the Middle East, it’s considered masculine for a guy to have a moustache. Somebody should tell these guys that that shit doesn’t fly in a western country.

If the 2nd guy got a buzz cut, got rid of the moustache, styled himself and sorted out his accent he would do fine.

Using Hritik Roshan and the 2nd guy is a really one-eyed way to distinguish Indians IMO.

Indians come in all shapes and colours between the 1st (fair, sharp-featured Aryan) and 2nd (dark, blunt Dravidian) but even the latter will pull if he sorts out the more superficial aspects of his appearance -- facial hair, clothes, hair.

Quote: (11-07-2014 04:38 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 12:55 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Actually speakeasy it's better to be dark if you're Indian than light. Light skinned Indians get mistaken for Muslim/Pakistani too easily and most IRT behaviour comes from people from those parts of India because they're the poorest and most traditional. So people assocate light brown Indians with worse behaviour. Masculine looking dark Indians get some black guy cool bonus points without the negative stereotypes, fear or judgement from friends and family. Sometimes girl's visiting from countries without many (dark) Indian's actually mistake them for black, I don't know how... I see a lot more dark Indians with white girls than light even with FOB's and there are a lot of Indians here.

Deluge, you’re in Australia, right? I can’t speak for Aus but this definitely isn’t true in UK.

I’m of a Punjabi background and the only people who’ve ever mistaken me for being a Muslim or a Pakistani are Pakistanis! Apart from the religion side there’s almost no difference between a Muslim Pakistani and a Hindu or Sikh Punjabi. Until Pakistani girls started wearing hijab over the last 10 years, I couldn’t even tell the difference (just by looking) between them and Hindu/Sikh Punjabi women. In UK I’ve never had a non-South Asian person confuse me for being a Muslim.

I’ve never heard any non-Indian refer to the skin colour of Indians when talking about them. Punjabi people often tease other Punjabis with dark skin.

Yeah he's from Australia. He's right on the point that Muslims don't get a whole of of love here, OTOH I've never tbh run into the whole light=IRT/dark=player dichotomy here. If you're Indian, you're Indian; and the divide is more along the lines of being either a FOB or local -- we can spot the difference from a mile off.
Although in Australia yeah the stereotypes are tilted slightly towards the US Kwik-E-Mart/IT/engineer nerd trope, locally raised South Asians really assimilate, are for all intents and purposes Australian and actually have some swag.

I'm not sure about darker-complexioned Indians being able to pass off as blacks though. I honestly cannot see a Dravidian cleaning up in Paris or Stockholm using black swag.

Quote: (11-07-2014 04:38 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’m not sure why you think North Indians are poor:

Quote:Quote:

States of India have significant disparities in their average income. Bihar was by far the poorest in India, and per capita income was low in its neighboring states, along with Jammu & Kashmir, Assam, Manipur and Nagaland. The higher income states include Goa, Delhi, Haryana, Punjab, Maharashtra, Gujarat and Kerala.

I was in Punjab earlier this year and everybody in the villages has satellite TVs and cellphones. A lot of them have cars now.

Technological saturation is no real indicator of wealth, progression, or quality of life. You could go to those parts of India with the highest mobile phone and Internet penetration and still find less toilets per capita or attitudes that it's OK to beat your wife.

I haven't been to North India, but in Kathmandu, you can see people on their smartphones while walking along thoroughfares lined with shit (not literally....OK, yes, sometimes ) like it's the most natural thing in the world.

Quote: (11-07-2014 04:38 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 01:40 AM)future Wrote:  

On a slightly unrelated note, I want to know how Indian guys perform online. I tried Tinder for a month once and had horrible results. I blamed it on my race and moved on to real world game.

I didn't really optimize my pictures, so it's not very clear if it was a race thing or not. I might try it again some time in future if I am convinced it's worth the effort.

A long time ago I used to use craigslist in Los Angeles and I would post an ad with no pictures stating something like a “British guy looking for a woman”. At no point did I refer to anything Indian, and there was no photo in the ad. I used to get a lot of replies from mainly white and East-Asian women. When I replied back and said thanks, but the way, I’m of Indian descent”, I would never hear again from probably 95% of them. Again no photos of me were ever shown, so it wasn’t about looks. I guess I could have blamed it on false advertising, since I never specified my ethnicity, but I did get a few replies saying something like “Sorry, I don’t date Indian men.”

What was your online performance in the UK line in comparison? I've had really shitty Tinder results in the past 6 months, but even though I could've blamed it on my race and looks, I've seen less-attractive Asians dudes kill it on Tinder here.

I have on at least two occasions come across girls on Tinder with "Asians or Indians swipe left" here but I'm pretty sure that attitude is in the minority here, at least compared to LA.

Quote: (11-07-2014 04:38 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I don’t agree with it being genes and I think it’s cultural – weren’t many Japanese men samurai once? Koreans still have military service and very patriotic so I doubt they would take too much shit from foreigners. Japanese men have been castrated culturally since WW2.

Going by the fact that the samurai class was only ever a sharp minority -- it's safe to say the Japanese are not genetically alpha, martial arts aside.

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:37 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Yeah shoot that info.

Your location says canada, where at ? What's your radius and age range you chose ?

Interesting you haven't gotten much, how often do you swipe ? Do you swipe at home and a closer radius by your work ?

I live in Waterloo - small town an hour away from Toronto. My radius was something like 80 kms I think, which covers many small towns around Waterloo, but not Toronto. Age range was 18-35 perhaps. I did all of this about a year ago, so I don't remember much. I used to swipe often, at least once a day and I used to mass swipe 40-50 of them every time. I live on a college campus, so work and home are pretty much the same place.


Man, I'm glad this thread was started. There's a lot of useful information here. I didn't even know there were so many Indian guys on this forum!

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:37 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Technological saturation is no real indicator of wealth, progression, or quality of life. You could go to those parts of India with the highest mobile phone and Internet penetration and still find less toilets per capita or attitudes that it's OK to beat your wife.

I haven't been to North India, but in Kathmandu, you can see people on their smartphones while walking along thoroughfares lined with shit (not literally....OK, yes, sometimes ) like it's the most natural thing in the world.

Punjabis have had family members sending back money to India since the 1960s. Many farmers live in mansions. They are pretty traditional in certain ways, but not when it comes to Punjabi men banging foreign women. A couple of guys from the villages near my fathers’ have moved to Europe and married Polish women.

They have pretty backwards attitudes in their women though.

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:37 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not sure about darker-complexioned Indians being able to pass off as blacks though. I honestly cannot see a Dravidian cleaning up in Paris or Stockholm using black swag.

I have very dark 6’1” FOB cousin who looks like Nat King Cole. He used to work in a AM-PM (Similar to a 7-11) in a ghetto area north California. He told me some black American girls had passed him their number because they thought he was black. He ended up banging a few.

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:37 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

What was your online performance in the UK line in comparison? I've had really shitty Tinder results in the past 6 months, but even though I could've blamed it on my race and looks, I've seen less-attractive Asians dudes kill it on Tinder here.

I never really online dated much in the UK – I left the UK 8 year ago, but I go home every year to visit family. I was more interested in Indian women whilst I was in UK. Before I moved to the US I had only banged white and Indian women.

I’m not saying that the British Indian women are all that, but they’re way better looking on average than the Indian women in the US. I’ve even had friends ask me why I’m not attracted to Indian women. I tell them I am, just not the ones in the US!

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:37 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Going by the fact that the samurai class was only ever a sharp minority -- it's safe to say the Japanese are not genetically alpha, martial arts aside.

I doubt many Japanese men (no matter what they did as a job) before WW2 had the herbivore mentality of many modern Japanese men.

@WalterBlack

North India is much poorer then South India. Punjab, Delhi and Mumbai are but exceptions. It's at the top of the very same link you posted. The poorest states are the North Indian Hindi belt, which are also the most densely populated. Their GDP per capita is at African levels. Uttar Pradesh has 200 million people, Bihar 100 million, Madhya Pradesh 75 million. The Hindi belt is where the medieval type Indian behaviour is concentrated.

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:37 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I'm not sure about darker-complexioned Indians being able to pass off as blacks though. I honestly cannot see a Dravidian cleaning up in Paris or Stockholm using black swag.

I used to meet a lot of European tourists daygaming when I was a newbie, none ever got confused about my race. Recently however I've met a lot of European girls again here on exchange, and roughly half of them have thought I was American, they thought I was an African American fellow exchange student. One of them (Swiss/Hungarian) even studies in London so you'd expect her to know the difference. I was amazed they could get this confused, but being dark, masculine, well-dressed with muscle isn't something you traditionally associate with being curry. The only other times I got called black was when my white boys used to call me "my nigga" in high school A British forum member told me in the U.K most curry's are light so they're not used to meeting dark ones. Being unfamiliar with how typical Australian accents actually sound like (as opposed to Steve Irwin types on TV) probably didn't help. I've heard girls will sometimes ask attractive Asian guys if they're actually half-Asian, similar thing must be going on here.

This is a really interesting thread. As a half euro/african dude myself, I've been told multiple times I could pass off as looking Indian... But indian girls here in Aus know that I'm not indian, so it's much harder to get into the cliques. I had more success in overseas in Jamaica (in a 3 week holiday) than I have with 2 yrs of trying game at home. Just goes to show race DOES matter.

Quote: (11-07-2014 10:39 PM)Kizman Wrote:  

This is a really interesting thread. As a half euro/african dude myself, I've been told multiple times I could pass off as looking Indian... But indian girls here in Aus know that I'm not indian, so it's much harder to get into the cliques. I had more success in overseas in Jamaica (in a 3 week holiday) than I have with 2 yrs of trying game at home. Just goes to show race DOES matter.

I'm also half/half and Indian girls were my specialty here in Canada for years. You don't need to get into their cliques. You're less likely to get that brown poon if you're in their cliques. You're not LTR material if you're not a doctor, or mommy dearest doesn't arrange that shit for you. They're not slutting it up for guys in their clique. That's how brown pussy rolls.

Also those saying they won't hang out with the dark dude in the second pic Speakeasy posted are hating for no reason. Its not your colour and race, but vibe. I know plenty of Indians and Pakistanis with good vibes that are badass wingmen and totally cool and chill dudes. I even know some engineers that have that real Indian vibe, with the thick accent and still bag hotties.

Quote: (11-07-2014 11:16 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

I even know some engineers that have that real Indian vibe, with the thick accent and still bag hotties.

In Canada?

Quote: (11-07-2014 11:20 PM)future Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 11:16 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

I even know some engineers that have that real Indian vibe, with the thick accent and still bag hotties.

In Canada?

Damn right.

It's a lot easier to blame race for not doing well, then being a beginner or your looks (especially on Tinder, average or below average looking men will get no results). It's ego preservation pure simple and all of here who've been around used to do it too, so it's very easy for us to spot it from beginners. It's not like some dork or insecure negativity spewing Asian/Indian/Black guy is suddenly going to start pimping if he wakes up tomorrow as a white boy, but most men's ego's aren't equipped to face up to that. Your game and your physical attractiveness are the most important things by far, and it's in everybody's power to considerably improve both.

Quote: (11-07-2014 05:54 PM)future Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 02:37 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Yeah shoot that info.

Your location says canada, where at ? What's your radius and age range you chose ?

Interesting you haven't gotten much, how often do you swipe ? Do you swipe at home and a closer radius by your work ?

I live in Waterloo - small town an hour away from Toronto. My radius was something like 80 kms I think, which covers many small towns around Waterloo, but not Toronto. Age range was 18-35 perhaps. I did all of this about a year ago, so I don't remember much. I used to swipe often, at least once a day and I used to mass swipe 40-50 of them every time. I live on a college campus, so work and home are pretty much the same place.

Future, You might want to look in Mississauga ..from my experience living in Kitchener, I used to get tons of interest from cute Punjabi girls but logistics can be a pain in the winter months

Quote: (11-07-2014 11:45 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

It's a lot easier to blame race for not doing well, then being a beginner or your looks

I want to blame the true culprit. Can't blame not getting matches on Tinder on my game skills. So it's either race or looks. It could very well be looks, I am not sure.

In any case, I've been working on improving both looks and game skills.

Quote: (11-08-2014 12:02 AM)future Wrote:  

Quote: (11-07-2014 11:45 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

It's a lot easier to blame race for not doing well, then being a beginner or your looks

I want to blame the true culprit. Can't blame not getting matches on Tinder on my game skills. So it's either race or looks. It could very well be looks, I am not sure.

In any case, I've been working on improving both looks and game skills.

Future, asking you to rate yourself would be tricky, but what do you look like, and what sort of photos do you use?

Quote: (11-07-2014 08:15 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Also, Kaizen has it wrong Asian guys have it harder. [...]With Asians though, their situation does improve with each generation but their core problems with passivity and shyness don't go away, but there's a decent improvement with the Eurasian mixes, I suspect the prevalence of these traits for Asians isn't cultural but genetic.

For want of derailing this thread, guess I'm fucked then...

Seriously speaking, yeah that explain much of my issues with game over the years.

Since -- and especially after -- discovering game, I've realised far too many cases where that said passivity meant my passing up the chance to close or escalate.

I wondered if a Western lifestyle can make up or augment what genetics lack, height being an obvious example. There's only so much I can do about height, but I've been working to maximise the other factors this year. Getting into the gym and lifting has done wonders in terms of build and confidence so far -- I'll have to keep at it to flesh out my attractiveness; but already I've gotten an ego boost seeing some build on myself.

I think in terms of attraction, Asian and Indian dudes need to be 1 point above their equivalent-looking white counterparts in the Anglosphere -- i.e. a Asian/Indian 7 would rate the same as a white 6.

I don't think I'm average-looking -- I had a gay friend judge me as "cute, and would rate me highly" just to get an idea -- but for the above reason I'm not giving up on working on what I can on looks and game.