Quote: (09-22-2014 10:08 AM)Roosh Wrote:
The one thing I don't like about Ukrainian girls that is unique to them is that they will go on a date even though they have no sexual interest in you. You can give a clear statement of intent that you are not looking to be friends, and then after 1-2 hours or so on a date, you get the cold shoulder when trying to escalate. Ukrainian girls I eventually bang and ones I don't show the same pre-kiss interest levels, so it's quite the guess if she will reciprocate when I do make a move. I don't understand why they would waste their time with a guy that they don't want to get intimate with soon. My dates are cheap (walk + cafe) so I don't care about the money, just the time.
It is mostly because they do not see you as being a suitable investment for the future.
The way Ukranian women look at men is the same way a man looks at investment property: possible long term gain, feasibility, whether it fits within the lifestyle, and whether it doesn't involve significant sacrifices.
Things like social status/money/novel fashion-label logos are significantly important.
I'd imagine several years ago, it was a worthy long term investment to invest in a foreign male who could provide her with a more suitable future that post-soviet Ukraine could not provide her with.
But with the horde of sex tourists, the change in economic status and visa regulations, access to the internet sponsor market has granted FSU women more opportunities.
A girl of significantly high value will not sleep with you with basic approach tactics, interesting stories, some minor American banter and a phd in RSD. She will sleep with you if you're a worthy long-term investment i.e. an American oligarch who is doing business in Ukraine.
Ukranian women from a young age are trained with significant knowledge on how to spot a high status male -- but this is exaggerated according to slavic mentality i.e. having a Range Rover in Kiev, iphone6, gucci suits etc.
This is how these women work -- they put minor investments (emotions) depending on the availability of such males, and work accordingly with what sort of resources they have.
It's not so much about spending big money on a girl, but rather you have to implicitly show that you're of someone of such pedigree.
Just to give you an indication:
A girl who would be considered in the top 5% of Kiev's women went on a first date with a friend of a friend and explicitly, within the first few minutes of conversation, requested that if we are to date and be boyfriend and girlfriend, then I expect to be provided for.
This is pretty much how it works for most of the girls who date Hryvnia oligarchs.
A girl in the top 50%-30%, obviously doesn't receive similar affections and would be pleased with males who show reasonable commitment value.
The other thing is, Ukranian women are like women from other traditional cultures. If you don't match the appearance of the guy that she perceives as Romeo.. then she simply will not see worthy investment value. Slavic girls are very romantic fantasy driven... for instance, Polish girls were MTV'fied and western-europified and begin craving Enrique Iglesias since a young age. The same can't be said for Ukraine which is a more insular culture.
There are more exceptions now, granted more and more Ukranian girls are doing 'sex tourism' (or validation tourism) in Schengen countries such as Italy and Spain, and have had some romantic exposure to males with darker appearances -- for this reason you may find the women you date unfortunately had sexual experiences with really weak beta supplication types in Italy/Spain which you can barely respect, making the entire interaction with the Ukranian girl extremely anti-climatic.