Update to the saga:

Back to thinking shes either got another in the picture or just wants to have some freedom after yesterday.

When I dropped her off last night...we made plans to sit by the pool this afternoon. Told her I'd text her about it.

so...I text her this morning a "good morning" text with a funny selfie we took on our date. No response. So about 4 pm I text her again "didnt like the pic?' No response so far.

I'll also add that her phone rang about 4 in the morning when we were sleeping on Friday. I made a joke about it and she said "yeah I just texted them asking if they were drunk" I didnt ask who it was but no doubt a man.

in my mind...shes with somebody and not in a position to return texts...but I dropped her off pretty late last night....about 9. I guess she could have hooked up after that.

its just that I have never so wantonly nailed a girl the way I have done this girl....giving her orgasms mind you....and had them behave this way. That is...not basically be in love with me. Much less not be calling or texting the next day.

on previous bang sessions she was texting me multiple times either later that day or the next day

she did claim her same friend was still in town and was staying at her place againwhen I dropped her back off and that they were going to spend alot of time catching up.

I may be overthinking it and creating scenarios in my mind that arent true....but something doesnt seem right.

one things for sure...I need more options than I have.

Quote: (08-24-2014 04:29 PM)robreke Wrote:  

one things for sure...I need more options than I have.

+100000

Don't we all.

Could be a lot of things. One thing is for sure, you pressed for exclusivity which is basically pushing her into an LTR. It's been my experience when I've done that, it's very short-lived. When the woman pushes for it then it will last for as long as I want it to.

In any relationship there is the adorer and the adored. It sounds like you're the adorer in this one, so it's all the more difficult to keep frame. More exciting though.

She will try to have her freedom, you will try to reign her in. That tug-of-war can provide for some very fun times if you can keep your cool about it all. Sounds like she is the perfect test for you at this point in your game.

Quote: (08-24-2014 05:13 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Could be a lot of things. One thing is for sure, you pressed for exclusivity which is basically pushing her into an LTR. It's been my experience when I've done that, it's very short-lived. When the woman pushes for it then it will last for as long as I want it to.

In any relationship there is the adorer and the adored. It sounds like you're the adorer in this one, so it's all the more difficult to keep frame. More exciting though.

She will try to have her freedom, you will try to reign her in. That tug-of-war can provide for some very fun times if you can keep your cool about it all. Sounds like she is the perfect test for you at this point in your game.

Onto,

I hope ( and think ) you are possibly correct. Perhaps she is just 'testing' me by hanging with her friends today and ignoring my texts.

I would rather this be a test than the fact that she went right to banging someone else last night and today after I dropped her off. If she did that after the animal sex we had yesterday....she'd have to be one of the biggest whores in history and she doesn't strike me as such.

She's a bit tight. I do have an above average sized dick though.

I will go silent for the next few days. See what happens.

Quote: (08-24-2014 04:29 PM)robreke Wrote:  

Update to the saga:

Back to thinking shes either got another in the picture or just wants to have some freedom after yesterday.

When I dropped her off last night...we made plans to sit by the pool this afternoon. Told her I'd text her about it.

so...I text her this morning a "good morning" text with a funny selfie we took on our date. No response. So about 4 pm I text her again "didnt like the pic?' No response so far.

I'll also add that her phone rang about 4 in the morning when we were sleeping on Friday. I made a joke about it and she said "yeah I just texted them asking if they were drunk" I didnt ask who it was but no doubt a man.

in my mind...shes with somebody and not in a position to return texts...but I dropped her off pretty late last night....about 9. I guess she could have hooked up after that.

its just that I have never so wantonly nailed a girl the way I have done this girl....giving her orgasms mind you....and had them behave this way. That is...not basically be in love with me. Much less not be calling or texting the next day.

on previous bang sessions she was texting me multiple times either later that day or the next day

she did claim her same friend was still in town and was staying at her place againwhen I dropped her back off and that they were going to spend alot of time catching up.

I may be overthinking it and creating scenarios in my mind that arent true....but something doesnt seem right.

Any time you're analyzing a situation with a chick this much, it will probably not go well for you.

She called tonight. Basically broke up with me. She said she was feeling smothered and didn't want to resent me for it because she respects and likes me too much. Just needs time with law school and all. She said she's not interested in being serious with anyone now romantically. When I asked her if she wanted to take a break she said "I don't know"....I told her it sounded like she was and she had my number if she changed her mind. I was a little distraught as I liked her some and I hope she didn't hear it in my voice as I tried to stay calm and when we were saying bye.

I've got a few 6's in my cellphone.

Oh well.....NEXT!

Quote: (08-25-2014 09:01 PM)robreke Wrote:  

She called tonight. Basically broke up with me. She said she was feeling smothered and didn't want to resent me for it because she respects and likes me too much. Just needs time with law school and all. She said she's not interested in being serious with anyone now romantically. When I asked her if she wanted to take a break she said "I don't know"....I told her it sounded like she was and she had my number if she changed her mind. I was a little distraught as I liked her some and I hope she didn't hear it in my voice as I tried to stay calm and when we were saying bye.

I've got a few 6's in my cellphone.

Oh well.....NEXT!

Quote: (08-25-2014 09:01 PM)robreke Wrote:  

She called tonight. Basically broke up with me. She said she was feeling smothered and didn't want to resent me for it because she respects and likes me too much. Just needs time with law school and all. She said she's not interested in being serious with anyone now romantically. When I asked her if she wanted to take a break she said "I don't know"....I told her it sounded like she was and she had my number if she changed her mind. I was a little distraught as I liked her some and I hope she didn't hear it in my voice as I tried to stay calm and when we were saying bye.

I've got a few 6's in my cellphone.

Oh well.....NEXT!

Someone once mentioned you always want the other person (the girl in this case) to like you more than you like her. It is like a negotiation, the first to offer a price loses (or so they say). Ideally, she pushes for an LTR/exclusive and you can do as you please, so to say.

Sorry about the news. Hang in there. And appreciate you sharing.

Don't have time to read this now.

I gave you the best advice I could.

Never lose hand. They are all the same especially a girl much younger with a ton of options.

Quote: (08-25-2014 09:01 PM)robreke Wrote:  

She called tonight. Basically broke up with me. She said she was feeling smothered and didn't want to resent me for it because she respects and likes me too much. Just needs time with law school and all. She said she's not interested in being serious with anyone now romantically. When I asked her if she wanted to take a break she said "I don't know"....I told her it sounded like she was and she had my number if she changed her mind. I was a little distraught as I liked her some and I hope she didn't hear it in my voice as I tried to stay calm and when we were saying bye.

I've got a few 6's in my cellphone.

Oh well.....NEXT!

This is the tug of war I was referring to before. Since you won last weekend in reigning her in, she is now trying to get her freedom back. This tug of war can be fun and relatively harmless to a relationship if her resistance is just token and she's the type who can surrender herself to a man, but from I'm reading she may not be able to.

In my opinion American women are the absolute worst to try and have an LTR with. This wench is basically career driven and self-centered. She's going to be a lawyer? She doesn't like having to answer to a man (being smothered)? Banging guys she has no intention of being serious with?

I understand she's young and hot, but look at her actions and what she's saying and doing. If you want to bang her for the fun of it that's one thing, but to want an LTR with a woman like that is asking to be crucified.

You dropped her off the night before and then asked her over the next day while she had a friend over visiting. You then texted her multiple times and sounded bothered in your followup text.

If a girl was that clingy with me it'd bother me too, and I'm sure it'd be annoying to you. You gave off a needy aura and she recoiled.

Live and learn man. Don't make that mistake another time with your next girl.

Quote: (08-29-2014 11:32 PM)Onto Wrote:  

Quote: (08-25-2014 09:01 PM)robreke Wrote:  

She called tonight. Basically broke up with me. She said she was feeling smothered and didn't want to resent me for it because she respects and likes me too much. Just needs time with law school and all. She said she's not interested in being serious with anyone now romantically. When I asked her if she wanted to take a break she said "I don't know"....I told her it sounded like she was and she had my number if she changed her mind. I was a little distraught as I liked her some and I hope she didn't hear it in my voice as I tried to stay calm and when we were saying bye.

I've got a few 6's in my cellphone.

Oh well.....NEXT!

This is the tug of war I was referring to before. Since you won last weekend in reigning her in, she is now trying to get her freedom back. This tug of war can be fun and relatively harmless to a relationship if her resistance is just token and she's the type who can surrender herself to a man, but from I'm reading she may not be able to.

In my opinion American women are the absolute worst to try and have an LTR with. This wench is basically career driven and self-centered. She's going to be a lawyer? She doesn't like having to answer to a man (being smothered)? Banging guys she has no intention of being serious with?

I understand she's young and hot, but look at her actions and what she's saying and doing. If you want to bang her for the fun of it that's one thing, but to want an LTR with a woman like that is asking to be crucified.

Spot on Onto. She's basically a "man" at this point. She's impervious to getting attached to a guy she's banging. Me. I don't mean to toot my own horn but I fucked her really good. I do have a good sized dick. When I was going in her at first I could see the almost pleasure/pain on her face. And I fucked her hard every which way....while she moaned "oh my God, jesus...and would say my name"
Afterwards she'd literally be quivering and shaking.
Every position too ....hot sex.
Not to get too graphic...but the point is just to reinforce yours. you fuck a girl like this ....spend "fun" time with them...and they still don't become attached it just means they are such alpha women that they're basically like men. Supposedly , a man should be able to bang, spread his seed and move on without much thought. But hell, these women these days...like this chick here....they're like men. They can get fucked hard and still just move on like "no big deal"
Also...I kind of acted, emotionally at least, like the woman in parts of the relationship when I tried to spend more time with her and got "clingy"

I will add that when she called that last time she was kind of like "I'm just not that interested in sex lately, I was actually just discussing this with my friend. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed this weekend, but it's almost like I was doing it more for you." She seemed wet enough to me though I added a little coconut oil to the action once.

I guess back in the old days before women were careerist whores with no bonding capability, after you'd fucked em good a few times, they actually wanted to spend more time with you. Not so much today.

I think it's natural instinct for a man to want to possess a woman and make her submit only to him.

About 10 years ago I was banging this girl would had the hottest pussy I ever had. She was a same day lay so that along with other things I knew she was not good LTR material, but the sex was great.

Knowing all this I still freaked out when she decided to host some couch-surfing guy from the Netherlands. Told her to go fuck herself, but realized the next day I should've just adjusted my expectations so I could still bang her. Went back and tried to keep her as a fuck-buddy, but it was too late, she was pissed and told me to fuck off. I was pretty harsh with her.

I kicked myself in the head over that one, but lesson learned, I hope. The hotter the girl, the harder it is to keep your cool.

Quote: (08-30-2014 07:23 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I will add that when she called that last time she was kind of like "I'm just not that interested in sex lately, I was actually just discussing this with my friend. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed this weekend, but it's almost like I was doing it more for you."

She's being honest here. She wanted to spend the weekend with her friend, she wants her own career, etc. You made her submit to your will and what you wanted. She did, and then she resented you for it. Having her out of town friend fend for herself while she was getting banged out didn't help matters the next day when they start "catching up". Her pissed friend will through you under the bus.

On one level, every woman really does want to surrender herself to a strong man, but on another level she wants her freedom to be an individual. This makes most modern day women very tortured inside. It may seem like they are having a great time partying, brunching with friends and riding the cock carousal, but it's a very empty existence and they discover that when it's too late.

I'm not sure how you handled the conversation with her, but if you were distant and cool about it all, then she may try to contact you again. If she does, just be cool and indifferent, like you could care less either way. If she senses you truly are indifferent, she will up her game to make you fall for her again.

Quote: (08-30-2014 09:05 AM)Onto Wrote:  

I think it's natural instinct for a man to want to possess a woman and make her submit only to him.

About 10 years ago I was banging this girl would had the hottest pussy I ever had. She was a same day lay so that along with other things I knew she was not good LTR material, but the sex was great.

Knowing all this I still freaked out when she decided to host some couch-surfing guy from the Netherlands. Told her to go fuck herself, but realized the next day I should've just adjusted my expectations so I could still bang her. Went back and tried to keep her as a fuck-buddy, but it was too late, she was pissed and told me to fuck off. I was pretty harsh with her.

I kicked myself in the head over that one, but lesson learned, I hope. The hotter the girl, the harder it is to keep your cool.

Quote: (08-30-2014 07:23 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I will add that when she called that last time she was kind of like "I'm just not that interested in sex lately, I was actually just discussing this with my friend. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed this weekend, but it's almost like I was doing it more for you."

She's being honest here. She wanted to spend the weekend with her friend, she wants her own career, etc. You made her submit to your will and what you wanted. She did, and then she resented you for it. Having her out of town friend fend for herself while she was getting banged out didn't help matters the next day when they start "catching up". Her pissed friend will through you under the bus.

On one level, every woman really does want to surrender herself to a strong man, but on another level she wants her freedom to be an individual. This makes most modern day women very tortured inside. It may seem like they are having a great time partying, brunching with friends and riding the cock carousal, but it's a very empty existence and they discover that when it's too late.

I'm not sure how you handled the conversation with her, but if you were distant and cool about it all, then she may try to contact you again. If she does, just be cool and indifferent, like you could care less either way. If she senses you truly are indifferent, she will up her game to make you fall for her again.

I tried to be indifferent. I said " well, you know how I feel about you and you know how to get in touch. So...if you decide to do a lunch or dinner with no expectations again...just let me know."

She said okay.

One thing I hate to admit but must....when we said bye to each other on the phone callusing each other's pet names...My voice was breaking. I didn't cry. But it was kind of emotional and I know she sensed it from her response right before we hung up. I feel like such a little bitch thinking about it. Never had that happen with a woman before. Weak as fuck I know. May have ruined it ....who knows.

She texted two days later some random thing about a movie we saw on our last date. I kind of think it was a "sympathy" text and nothing more. Oh well, I'm going no contact for at least a month and trying to game other girls.....I may try to reinitiate with her or see if she texts something in the meantime.

Quote: (08-30-2014 10:17 AM)robreke Wrote:  

I tried to be indifferent. I said " well, you know how I feel about you and you know how to get in touch. So...if you decide to do a lunch or dinner with no expectations again...just let me know."

Tried is the operative word, because this isn't being indifferent. Saying "you know how I feel about you", and basically saying you will be around whenever she wants for whatever she wants comes off as needy and weak.

Of course tone and delivery means everything. Women can feel a man's confidence or weakness. If you really didn't give two shits either way, and said something like that with a confident, just being polite attitude, she may not see it as weak at all. She's going off what she can sense about you more than what you say.

A true player can say all the sweet beta stuff in the world and a woman won't see it as weak because they know he doesn't really see her as the One. She's a little flattered and interested in trying to get the hardest man possible to commit, committed.

Quote: (08-30-2014 10:17 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Oh well, I'm going no contact for at least a month and trying to game other girls.....I may try to reinitiate with her or see if she texts something in the meantime.

I think that would be a mistake. In fact, if she goes so far as trying to setup an actual date, I would nicely delay it so she gets the sense you're busy and not needy for her.

^ Yes robreke, it is different now, fucking a girl good is not enough to form an attachment these days.

Mental game and charisma will win over being a great fuck that is needy and has a weak frame. Dominance is mostly mental.