Quote: (06-17-2014 04:39 PM)RockHard Wrote:
Quote: (12-01-2012 06:23 PM)oregonziggy Wrote:
The way I see it we pay for it most of the time. One way or another. Whether we negotiate a fee upfront or dinner, drinks, coffees, concerts or whatever we do to get laid. Pussy rarely is free.
You're a game denialist.
Earlier today, WIA said "game is getting a woman to do what you want". If you've got game, you're not spending anywhere near what it'll cost for an hour with a hooker (let's assume that you can't hire one for $6 / hr).
One of the worst things anyone ever told me is when I graduated college, a friend told me "ah man, now you'll be out making bank, chicks will love it". Terrible fucking advice, because I believed it. I was making good money, and I was doing even worse because at least in college I at least had friends who would do their best to make up for my lack of game. The only lays I got were social circle because everybody knew me as a solid dude and my buddies and their girlfriends worked hard to set me up when they could. Out of college, I fell into p2p for a while because money was the one thing I had.
Now I know better - if she's attracted to you, you don't have to do anything. It won't cost you anything but time. She might be the one buying you gifts.
Every hooker is giving it away to some guy while her johns are paying to support her lifestyle. On top of that, there are some guys hookers won't see. It's a business, and in business, some clients aren't worth it. How fucking bad do you have to be that you can't get a hooker to take your money?
Personally, if you've got the money and enjoy the sex, have at it. In some cases, like you're a CEO and your time is insanely valuable, or you're married, a pro athlete, or politician and you need to be "discreet", it makes some sense (with the downside that any hooker will sell out her black book if it means a reduced sentence).
I've tried it and it didn't work for me. This is why I'm anti p2p, but I'm not going to tell a guy what to do with his cash.
I totally agree with you that money does not = bangs. I remember being 24, totally broke and meeting a girl at a 7-Eleven because I went in to get water for the radiator of my overheated piece-of-crap, beat-up Dodge Charger. She found the whole thing amusing. I've also written about my "mall game" that age. No money was no problem.
That said, as I get older I sometimes think P2P should be an option for men over 40 that we support here. There is a saying about prostitutes: you pay them to go away. And while I don't see myself as perusing hooker ads (I'm way too phobic about diseases), I wish I could get some kind of arrangement going with a woman or two where I could, essentially, "pay them to go away."
The reason for this is as you meet women and try to keep up sexual relations, you have to
do stuff with them or at least talk to them once in a while. I found they get mad if you ask them to evacuate your place ASAP after sex. If you don't have some diplomacy, they don't come back. And yes, you can meet a new one each week but there is something to be said about building some sexual rapport.
When you get older, it's no longer interesting to spend weekends with a woman at the beach or to listen to her when she has some issue and calls at night. I enjoyed all this interaction at 24; now it seems a pain, or pointless, or cliche. There is a certain magic about the boy-girl stuff from ages 13-30 that simply fades away after that. It did for me, anyway.
Also, when you've been with a woman a while -- even for sex -- there is always that expectation...of something. Relationship...marriage...blah blah blah. I feel the pressure, and it detracts from the experience. It's like the way I couldn't enjoy Sunday nights because I knew I had school the next day.
Funny enough, I came across two women who were into "arrangements" about ten years ago (one of whom is now a successful journalist, which should give you some idea about that field). But back then, I was married, didn't have the money, and found it crass. Now I wonder if this isn't a good option for guys over 40 who simply don't have patience anymore.
Addendum: To people not familiar with me, I should mention a lot of my cynicism about all this comes from my marriage ending and seeing the old house I put money in being lived in by other people. I could see guys hitting 40 and being happy if they have other kinds of lives. There is a certain world-weariness you get from bad experiences, so take my above negativity with grains of salt or whatever.