Quote: (07-21-2011 03:39 PM)Moma Wrote:
Athlone, you keep on quoting American women, American women as if the world revolves around American women. You live in America so what are you going to do? Wank until you move to another country where the women have the qualities that you admire?
I was attempting not to be too general.
I could just as easily have said "Western women", though I honestly believe many european women offer a better return on investment than others.
ROI is my main concern.
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Many of us here are logging on from countries where there are no American women (yet quite similar qualities are being exhibited).
American women are not the only ones with poor ROI.
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According to some, Sweden is even worse for hyper feminism than America.
That says nothing about their Return on Investment.
I won't even get into the cultural differences between Swedish and American gender dynamics. That's a whole new thread.
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So if you don't bother to learn game because you want to save your ego (which I suspect is why you don't want to suffer the 'indignity' of being shunned),
1. Rejection is a way of life for young men. That's not new to me, nor do I particularly fear it.
To embrace it when you do not need to(and there is not a justifiably high ROI involved), however, is just as daft in my mind.
2. Return on Investment-that is what counts. I see no reason to engage in activities without reasonable ROI.
3. I wasn't aware of the fact that cold-approach game was the only form of game out there.
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what happens when you meet a non American women who starts to run the same shyt on you? How will you deal with it? Stuff 100 <insert currency> bills/notes in her mouth when she runs her yap?
What happens when I meet a non-american woman with a poor ROI?
I'll leave her alone. Problem solved. There are always other viable options. Pussy is not a rare commodity.
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By understanding and applying game, you will be able to head off her b.s and still get her to do what you want.
If she's going to be a bitch, then why put the effort in? Is your ROI high enough to justify it? Is she worth it?
Why not just go find a better woman?
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Will you wait until you need steady prescriptions of Viagra or Ciallis to sow your oats?
I don't think I'll need to wait quite that long.
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Like it or not, unless you are not into women, you will have to learn HOW to deal with women. It costs nothing to learn game (save but the price of admission to a few clubs and maybe some dates)
Incorrect. The methodology you are proposing has a significant cost, a low success rate, and is not optimized for every personality.
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and you will need it anyway when your pockets are stacked because women will be running all sorts of game to lighten your load. If you don't know game, they will run it on you.
1. Knowing game and running the form of game you are insisting upon are not necessarily one in the same. Cold approach game is not the only game out there.
2. Don't assume I have no experience with women. My theories are not drawn solely from an academic perspective(although I'll concede that this is my forte). Practical experience is not lacking on this end.
3. What exactly are these magical tricks they'll be running that I'll not be able to foresee without taking the time to run extensive cold approach game right now?
Let's hear some examples.
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It's one thing to read and write about all these concepts and delude oneself that we don't need women but until you can apply them seamlessly as easily as you breathe, you WILL BE vulnerable.
How so?
What can a woman possibly do to me that I'll be unable to prevent with knowledge(since you have already wrongly assumed that I have no experience with females)?
Examples.
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You talk about one not needed to go out and being in the field to not avoid being a simp. You plan on having sex, right? Unless you go out and you know what the market is like from a participatory perspective, how will you know when a woman is not running some sly game on you?
Specifics.
What is this sly game she can run that I'll a) be unable to see/prevent b) will do me in?
You've apparently seen them, so why not put them out into the open now? This being a game forum, I'm sure it'll be beneficial to other readers anyway.
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Do you know how to recognise the different types of gold diggers out there? Do you know that they have different methods of approach? How will you distinguish from a gold digger as opposed to a genuinely nice woman? Can you recognise an emotional vampire?
1. Gold diggers are not very difficult to spot or hear. They have easy tells, and distinguishable habits, even in the way they speak.
I do have experience with them. Groupies too.
You're forgetting that I was a college football player at the Division One level. Even in my relatively low profile, non-BCS league, you can learn a few things.
2. Yes, I know most of their tricks, haunts and motivations(secondary needs vs. primary needs).
3. Gold diggers stand out. A truly good girl who cares not a lick for money is easy to spot amongst them. She is also a pretty rare specimen in contemporary America(perhaps slightly more common in other places).
Actions speak louder than words-they'll point her out for you.
4. I've been with more than one emotional vampire, and seen many more in action.
5. For most of my life, I was a simp, a chump of the highest order. I've seen every pitfall a lower beta could see(short of cuckolding and spousal support), made every mistake in the book of the AFC, and felt every wound a woman can(and usually will) inflict upon such a man if given the chance.
I know the pitfalls of the beta male(and how to avoid them) much better than you give me credit for. I know the things a woman can do to a beta male(and how to avoid them) better than you give me credit for. I can also spot such a male from very far away.
The older me (and, for that matter, the current me) will not be at the mercy of any average "lizard's" games, regardless of her temperament. I've seen them before, I can predict where they will come from, and I can avoid it quite easily. I have the education (both practical and academic) to ensure this in almost any scenario.
You're assuming these things to be far more difficult to realize/understand than they really are.
You're also vastly underestimating me.
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I used to go out and experience total bullshyt from women and it used to drive me insane but the need to bury my fatty in a lizard kept me coming out again and again.
We're different. I tamed that need a long time ago.
I am better for it.
Roissy has said this before-the ability to tame that desire removes much of a female's potential power over you, and can trigger a lot of desire in her. Men who can get sex, and are able to casually dismiss it, have a very powerful weapon at their disposal.
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Even if you are into the 'I want to get married, I'm not a playa/PUA etc, marriage involves game as well, not only in selecting the RIGHT partner but keeping her in line.
I've
known that for quite
some time.
This is the fatal flaw in your argument-you assume that I cannot possibly be truly knowledgeable without following your chosen modus operendi.
It doesn't take 1000 cold approaches to learn that marriages are not immune to the need for game.
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If you have game with no money, you can come up on paper. I know some cats with game that actually use their women to get up on paper.
I'd rather be alone than sponge off of a lover. That, to me, is failure. I'll not tolerate it from myself.
I won't speak for everyone else.
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If you like having sex with women WITHOUT paying for it directly, then you HAVE to learn game...PERIOD.
1. I have no aversion to escorts. If you're a guy who is as hungry for pussy as you say, then I don't see why you would be either.
Once again-ROI. Who offers a better Return on my Investment?
A. The 9 who enthusiastically boned me in nearly every way possible for $200?
B. The 9 who I ran into at a club, who put on a massive bitch shield, and took me a week and two/three dates to finally lay(or several hours, drinks, and dance session to finally drag back to my apartment)?
2. I would actually contend that I've already learned "game"...if you define game as an understanding of male-female interaction and how to better it.
I don't believe in your particular method, however, and it is not likely I ever will.
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I am curious but if you don't plan on going out in the field, how do you plan on getting punni or are you more the relationship type of cat?
Thanks.
I think you have your answers above.