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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 12:30 AM
I've read many posts or blogs that make vague references about when the golden ages of clubs/house music were, when phone and the text game changed, how new ways to date and meet girls have changed the game etc...
I thought a thread specifically targeting the current year could be kept as a log for RVF to add new theories and observations about how things are currently changing in the game with women. As time passes trends should develop and predictions may be seen through.
My personal observation of late is that girls especially (and people in general) often take 5-6 hours+ to return texts. This has made me have to watch my pipeline more closely as I have to forecast about how many texts and hours away it may take to get plans locked down (especially if the girl has to reschedule). Of course this has resulted in more terse and direct texting with much less fucking around.
I would say as recently as 1-2 years ago girls I would get into contact with pre-bang may take 2-3 hours max most of the time if there were interested to get back. Often times we would have short flirty text conversations and we would go back and forth a few messages until someone got busy. Now it seems it is difficult just to start a text conversation.
Am I alone?
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 01:28 AM
I couldn't agree more with you on the time to return text messages. I've noticed it with girls, sure, but even some of my acquaintances who I'm not that close with seem to take forever. It's frustrating because you KNOW these people have their phones on them 24/7, but if you asked anyone about it, you'd seem insecure or needy. It's one of those things that the offender can easily play off and turn back around on you.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 06:44 AM
Online game has reached a kind of golden age. Once you learn how to do it successfully, online game can be an almost automated system for slaying.
Basically: brief online exchange, logistics, meet at a bar, grab a drink or two, bang. Or second-date bang. Why opt for day game when online is so easy?
Online game makes us lazy. I live in NYC. Online game in NYC is a monster. As others hint, it's very easy here to bang on OkCupid if you do it right. The girls are quicker to meet, and do not waste time. Generally.
I no longer engage in online game.
Even with less poon, I am more present, aware of the opportunities around me. I believe that this is more beneficial to my overall well-being than becoming dependent on and lazy with online game.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 02:33 PM
Astute observations. Very apropo thread as it has brought on some reflection for me.
My prediction would be that as technology advances and the newest IPhone # ? is brought to the market, the club game will continue to suffer. It's been noted on another thread ('How weed will change the game - I'm paraphrasing) that the new more relaxed laws will make weed even more accessible. IMO all these conditions combined will continue to distance people from having physical interactions. More recluses, hell we might start seeing "online" clubs where we can "channel" that same energy on our portable devices. Trippy type shit.
As for women, the cat is outta the bag...the attention whoring will only get worst. They have CHOICES, which is the absolute worst thing to happen to the avg guy. The rabbit's got the gun so to speak. There has to be a site for EVERY kinda narcissistic bitch in the stratosphere.
It becomes even more necessary to stand out when running your game. If she takes a long time getting back texting, go ahead and move around and follow through with your previous plans.
If she's short be shorter.
Don't holler back until she does, in all likelyhood she's being distracted by one of her "admirers" anyway.
Writing this I sorta feel like a dinosaur since I got in on the 'ground level' of this internet shit.
I can go back to the late 90's (98'-99') when chat rooms were all the rage. I would 'surf' (retro ass fuck term) different regions around the country, but mostly the within 100 miles of my locale. Hell, I was even able to set up a situation for a trip I made to NY. Gradually, this gave way to the rise of paid dating sites. Me personally, I always saw this as P4P. The advancement of sites/apps like POF, OKC, Tinder have become more suitable to the on-the go lifestyle of a player.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 05:20 PM
Went on a date with a white little hamster 7/10 rating at Starbucks last Sunday. We talked about what we both did for new year's eve. She was out on the town with her girlfriends bar hopping. I was with my current LTR.
The little hamster was mad about what happened that night. Apparently, she was the hottest of the trio so men would periodically come up to her and ask to buy her a drink. Problem you say? She was mad that guys did not buy drinks for all of her friends too!!!!!!!!
Can you believe the temerity and sense of entitlement of this statement? Not only does she expect random men to pay for her copious alcohol consumption, but now men are expected to pay for all of her ugly friends too.
And no--I did not pay for her coffee so she was probably mad about that too afterwards.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-09-2014, 05:44 PM
Quote: (01-09-2014 12:30 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:
My personal observation of late is that girls especially (and people in general) often take 5-6 hours+ to return texts. This has made me have to watch my pipeline more closely as I have to forecast about how many texts and hours away it may take to get plans locked down (especially if the girl has to reschedule).
What I'll do is set up 5 dates in a day with multiple girls lined up for every date. So this is literally what I'll have written in my phone:
Noon - Ashley, Becky, Lisa
3pm - Jennifer, Layla
6pm - Annabelle, Felisha, Alison, Nikki
9pm - Lola
Midnight - Anita, Diana
I do this knowing that for any given date, any number of the girls might cancel. Having the backups makes me not give one iota of fuck and the girls sense it and it makes them more likely to bang once they do show up. In the event that one is running late, I'll bang one quickly and then try to get rid of her in time for the new arrival.
Obviously, what ends up happening is that I make many girls wait half an hour or more to see me.... Sometimes up to two hours. Others start huffing and puffing and leave.. but guess what? Hot chicks have never been stood up or made to wait in their life so when I call up and say "Oh my bad I fell asleep!" or "Sorry my meeting went long I'll make it up to you with a massage" or whatever it makes them even more likely to bang.
*Keep in mind I'm running Sugar Daddy Game so this may not be possible with standard online dating
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-13-2014, 11:54 AM
Observations:
As above, girls take hours and hours to text back.
I appear needy because I want to see a girl again after fucking her. Their lives are so busy with bullshit work and socializing that your relative availability makes you seem needier than her.
If you fuck her on the first date you're a player who only wants sex and she'll never see again because you moved too fast, if you're a beta she will get bored and won't fuck you.
Going out to bars is largely for attention whoring, more than ever. The same girl is more receptive online than in a bar, if she does online dating. If she doesn't she is fucking guys through her circle.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-13-2014, 12:19 PM
I've actually had more success recently with compliment and cuddle. My original beta tendencies seem to attract girls.
Who the hell knows what is going on.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-13-2014, 12:24 PM
2014 game trends
Online
The decline of okcupid. The rise of tinder. The top % of men with game & looks will continue slaying the majority of quality pussy on all online channels.
Future looking bleak for the avg blue pill male. Will continue to be frustrated & porn up. Indeed a golden age for online players.
Daygame
Tier 1 US cities more difficult than ever. Low end markets still excellent. Shock & awe of a confident day time cold approach remains highly location/city dependant.
Eastern European capitals still great, but disturbing western attitudes & distractions emerging.
Nightlife
General decline. Could go the way of dinosaur as women have less attention whoring need due to technology. Increasing prices, porn, & thirst competition detering more avg men from spending.
Social circle
Warm leads still strongest, but fewer opportunities due to increased reliance on social media.
Sugar daddy/semipro/shoring
I don't know. But curious to hear from guys who work this channel.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-13-2014, 01:20 PM
While OKCupid is declining, I expect its role will change with the onset of Tinder. As in any economic market, the emergence of more firms forces firms to either occupy a more specialized niche or leave the market entirely. I'd guess that OKC users will typically be less flaky and more weird/fringe than girls in other channels. She's using OKC when Tinder is easier and more accessible, the question is why.
The decline of girls going out in pairs on a quest for dick will continue apace.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-14-2014, 09:41 AM
I'm by no means an experienced player, but I would say that the changes we see in the playground are heavily based on the location of the playground. Being from Estonia, I have to say that thankfully our society hasn't been totally swallowed by technology just yet. Numbers of chicks browsing through fb while being out are pretty low, online dating scene is also non-existent. With the increase of Westernization, both of these in my opinion disturbing factors are going to skyrocket. Living in a country that is a few years behind has its positivies I guess.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-14-2014, 10:22 AM
1) not texting back in 2013 = not returning a message on the answering machine in 1993.
Feminine prerogative stays the same.
2) Smart phones @ the club
She's still at the club. Treat as annoying ugly girlfriend
3) social networks providing her with enough dates and social attention that she doesn't hit the bars and clubs
- day game - don't rely on her being tipsy and social convenience to approach.
- master the dating sites and social media - good pics, good profile, good opening message, good overall strategy - spreadsheets, automated messaging.., know your logistics
There's still a contingent of women that still like to get dressed, put on make up, wear heels, and still go out. I see them when I go out. I'm still going to go out to meet them.
At the end of the night, she still wants her space invaded and the option to have a warm body in her bed.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-14-2014, 11:06 AM
I actually suspect that with the surge in online dating real life cold approaches will become novel again. Maybe not this year, but definitely at some point in the future.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-14-2014, 11:25 AM
I think game changes with technology, yes.
I look at the online scene around me & I feel like an alpha presence in literally, a sea, of beta's.
So yeah, I'd say the time is now for online dating.
I also believe social & economic changes within localities really affect game.
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014: Changes in Women and the Game
01-14-2014, 03:18 PM
Maybe you are simply getting old....