[horn]

(01-09-2014 01:13 AM)soup Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 12:30 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I've read many posts or blogs that make vague references about when the golden ages of clubs/house music were, when phone and the text game changed, how new ways to date and meet girls have changed the game etc...

I thought a thread specifically targeting the current year could be kept as a log for RVF to add new theories and observations about how things are currently changing in the game with women. As time passes trends should develop and predictions may be seen through.

My personal observation of late is that girls especially (and people in general) often take 5-6 hours+ to return texts. This has made me have to watch my pipeline more closely as I have to forecast about how many texts and hours away it may take to get plans locked down (especially if the girl has to reschedule). Of course this has resulted in more terse and direct texting with much less fucking around.

I would say as recently as 1-2 years ago girls I would get into contact with pre-bang may take 2-3 hours max most of the time if there were interested to get back. Often times we would have short flirty text conversations and we would go back and forth a few messages until someone got busy. Now it seems it is difficult just to start a text conversation.

Am I alone?

I don't if it's my game getting good or times changing, but online game is crazy now.

I think online game dominates from a Game perspective for most guys, unless you are good at Day Game.

[horn]

(01-14-2014 10:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

There's still a contingent of women that still like to get dressed, put on make up, wear heels, and still go out. I see them when I go out. I'm still going to go out to meet them.

At the end of the night, she still wants her space invaded and the option to have a warm body in her bed.

WIA

And I would guess that contingent at upwards of 30%.

If that seems high to you, realize that they want the alphas to pick them up when they are out on the town & they still like the free online attention from betas.

Which one are you?

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-14-2014 05:38 PM)horn Wrote:  

(01-14-2014 10:22 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

There's still a contingent of women that still like to get dressed, put on make up, wear heels, and still go out. I see them when I go out. I'm still going to go out to meet them.

At the end of the night, she still wants her space invaded and the option to have a warm body in her bed.

WIA

And I would guess that contingent at upwards of 30%.

If that seems high to you, realize that they want the alphas to pick them up when they are out on the town & they still like the free online attention from betas.

Which one are you?

I'm the dude at the club picking up chicks.

I had game before people were torturing the hell out of that alpha/beta nonsense.

WIA

[horn]

Archie, that last question wasn't directed at you, it was a generic forum comment. I was agreeing with you. The girls who love to get dressed up and wear heels and go out want to meet guys who are man enough to come pick them up.

I used the alpha/beta nonsense because that's what this forum uses.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-14-2014 09:36 PM)horn Wrote:  

Archie, that last question wasn't directed at you, it was a generic forum comment. I was agreeing with you. The girls who love to get dressed up and wear heels and go out want to meet guys who are man enough to come pick them up.

I used the alpha/beta nonsense because that's what this forum uses.

Apologies.

WIA

[horn]

No worries, the internetz is a horrible method of communicating with people you don't know. I like to tell women I meet online or offline if they want to meet for a drink, 'Wear heels.'

I haven't been let down yet. I dress to the max [but appropriate to the place of course] and I expect the same from any girl I'd be seen with in public.

I'm a bit surprised there hasn't even been one wise-ass who shows up in Chuck Taylors, which would be kinda awesome in a different way.

[delicioustacos]

(01-13-2014 12:24 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

The decline of okcupid. The rise of tinder.

This is true. And sad.

The decline of the PC and the rise of the iphone. The decline of writing and the rise of Buzzfeed. People are stupid. They want to look at pictures.

For a brief shining moment, you could get pussy by typing interesting words. 2008-2012 OKC was my 70's Studio 54. The influx of spamming thirsty jerkoffs is the 80's coming on. AIDS.

OKCupid will be a complete wasteland within 2 years. Sic transit gloria mundi.

[Basil Ransom]

OkCupid will live on as a slightly less slutty tinder. It's managed to plateau, and not decline in the past year: https://www.quantcast.com/okcupid.com

Still though, OKCupid of today is a different beast, and more oriented towards mobile.

[Travesty]

Just got back from an OkCupid date. 21yo 6.7 blonde. Maybe higher if you love young blondes. College student.

What I am noticing is the very high level of self-focus in girls more recently. GPA, degrees, the next career move is on par with obsessive. I think of some of the most nerdy driven handful of kids in my high school and they way they would talk about grades and colleges and this is how many many girls talk about their GPA, career. It is sewn directly to their soul. She would try to bounce the conversion toward me rarely, but with no real direction behind it, like she did not know how to focus and have some fun banter to learn about someone new.

She rifled off like a secretary when it was her turn to talk, it was the way she talked though.

Like I wasn't there, like she was in a sound booth talking into a microphone. She had strong eye contact with me, but I could tell she was very interested and happy to talk about her own life of busy activities and almost seemed to not know that in a social setting you should share in such a way you involve and draw the other person in.

I give her credit that she did not have her phone out, and had her full attention on the conversation. The way she conversed I feel is what I am experiencing lately though. College/ Grad/ Career girls that aren't 100% party girls are so wrapped up in their career, and staying "busy" it's like they see a date with a new guy as a checklist item in the day and not something to try to get a real experience out of.

I don't like it. I like party girls, not because they are easy, but because they aren't so wrapped up in their own shit they forget how to have a joint new experience with guy. Their head isn't filled with checklists.

The chick was honestly attractive, definitely WB multiple times just looking at her, but after our date ended I couldn't imagine kissing her. She had no personal charm. I haven't had this feeling before. I'd usually be happy to be in line to bang an attractive thin blonde co-ed.

If I go on a second date with her I will drink much more. And go to a venue with louder music. Doctor's orders.

[Closer68]

I went on OKC for the first time and the girls were wolf ugly. I mean WTF. I'm pretty much gonna stick to SA game for now.

[delicioustacos]

(01-21-2014 12:46 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

What I am noticing is the very high level of self-focus in girls more recently. GPA, degrees, the next career move is on par with obsessive. I think of some of the most nerdy driven handful of kids in my high school and they way they would talk about grades and colleges and this is how many many girls talk about their GPA, career. It is sewn directly to their soul.

Great observation. The adderall-popping career robots are the rule now on OKC, not the exception. Profile like a job interview. Starts with "I'm from (X) but moved to (Y) for my dream job 3 years ago and never looked back...

I am passionate about everything I do, extremely driven, and (some third bit of banal self-aggrandizement). I am seeking a partner in crime who's the same way.

I love my job! I work with (blah blah blah)

It's fucking agonizing. I want to reach through the screen and grab them, ask: "don't you ever FEEL anything? Think anything that isn't about your work? Your love for Arugula doesn't count."

Third generation yuppie robots who have been pumped full of speed like a foie gras goose since they were ten so they could be perfect little moneymakers for Sheryl fucking Sandberg. This is the *majority.* My heart bleeds.

[DJ-Matt]

It's like all the good pussy went into hibernation, nothing but fatties and uggos on my OKC and POF right now. PUSSY IS SEASONAL!

[Cyr]

(01-21-2014 01:58 PM)delicioustacos Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 12:46 AM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

What I am noticing is the very high level of self-focus in girls more recently. GPA, degrees, the next career move is on par with obsessive. I think of some of the most nerdy driven handful of kids in my high school and they way they would talk about grades and colleges and this is how many many girls talk about their GPA, career. It is sewn directly to their soul.

Great observation. The adderall-popping career robots are the rule now on OKC, not the exception. Profile like a job interview. Starts with "I'm from (X) but moved to (Y) for my dream job 3 years ago and never looked back...

I am passionate about everything I do, extremely driven, and (some third bit of banal self-aggrandizement). I am seeking a partner in crime who's the same way.

I love my job! I work with (blah blah blah)

It's fucking agonizing. I want to reach through the screen and grab them, ask: "don't you ever FEEL anything? Think anything that isn't about your work? Your love for Arugula doesn't count."

Third generation yuppie robots who have been pumped full of speed like a foie gras goose since they were ten so they could be perfect little moneymakers for Sheryl fucking Sandberg. This is the *majority.* My heart bleeds.

Ive noticed this as well. Im in high school and girls main interest is what university theyre going to go to. Its insane. Almost all the 'cool' girls dont go out, because they want to study, revise etc. Schools put too much pressure on kids to be emotionless/ pleasure free robots,- in between talks on the dangers of drinking we learn about how getting into a good university is the most crucial thing in our lives and if we waste one second we wont.

[Checkmat]

^^ Great observations above. Is it possible this is the first generation of people to be less cool than their parents were?

[nek]

(01-21-2014 07:21 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  

^^ Great observations above. Is it possible this is the first generation of people to be less cool than their parents were?

Generation Zzzzzz

[nek]

Social Circle more important than ever. Why night game has declined. They want proof that your atop or near the top of some social hierarchy. If they just meet up at a bar when you're by yourself, you essentially have no social proof. It's a weird dichotomy really. Part of me thinks that this is becoming an arms race for men and part of me looks around and realizes how many guys have really dropped out of the race. So it seems to be getting harder and easier all at once.

[Yeti]

(01-22-2014 12:37 AM)nek Wrote:  

Social Circle more important than ever. Why night game has declined. They want proof that your atop or near the top of some social hierarchy. If they just meet up at a bar when you're by yourself, you essentially have no social proof. It's a weird dichotomy really. Part of me thinks that this is becoming an arms race for men and part of me looks around and realizes how many guys have really dropped out of the race. So it seems to be getting harder and easier all at once.

Nek can you expound upon this? What does this entail - that men are dropping out of the game, while women are placing more demands upon men generally. What are the consequences for the game-aware player? On the whole is it easier for us, or harder? Are there certain types of women that are easier than ever to bang?

[Travesty]

(01-22-2014 08:22 PM)Yeti Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 12:37 AM)nek Wrote:  

Social Circle more important than ever. Why night game has declined. They want proof that your atop or near the top of some social hierarchy. If they just meet up at a bar when you're by yourself, you essentially have no social proof. It's a weird dichotomy really. Part of me thinks that this is becoming an arms race for men and part of me looks around and realizes how many guys have really dropped out of the race. So it seems to be getting harder and easier all at once.

Nek can you expound upon this? What does this entail - that men are dropping out of the game, while women are placing more demands upon men generally. What are the consequences for the game-aware player? On the whole is it easier for us, or harder? Are there certain types of women that are easier than ever to bang?

I think it is becoming exactly like what globalization is doing to the American economy right now.

Wages for the average dude is going down. The smart top dogs are breaking away at the same time.

Same with girls for these guys. The average guy's quality is going down. Top dogs are getting more than ever.

This will continue until the average dude gets the balls to stop putting up with shit from both our government and our women.

With Xbox and porn this will take decades of slow downgrading before it will come.

At a campus known to have some of the hottest college girls in America today I saw a good looking dude, well dressed, smiling with glee and holding hands with a fat tub of lard. This speaks volumes in how quality of women is going down even in "pussy paradises" and at the same time guys enjoy the shit sandwhich with a grin.

[Courage Reborn]

(01-21-2014 01:58 PM)delicioustacos Wrote:  

It's fucking agonizing. I want to reach through the screen and grab them, ask: "don't you ever FEEL anything? Think anything that isn't about your work? Your love for Arugula doesn't count."

This is a great point...about western women.

The solution is eastern Europe.

Girls go on about "I want to find love" in their online profiles over there.

It's a wonderful breath of fresh air after coming from okcupid in the west.

[FrenchCanadian]

One thing I have noticed, is that in these socialist times, more and more men are living in a woman's world.
I know for a fact that in Quebec, matriarchy has never been stronger.
Women make more money than men & get more university degrees

Little boys grow up only raised by women... mom's are the new dads in many households.. add the day nursing (women), then school teachers (women)
I believe there is a true loss of masculinity within men, and that the phenomena is only growing.
It's not even a beta/alpha thing, men are becoming fucking pussies.

If a man can break free from these social borders, swallow the red pill... and accept his masculinity

I think a sea of opportunities lays open for him. In business, like in women.
& these opportunities are only growing

I must add that the experiences you have with women, as a baby, as a young child, ultimately affect how you will grow up & be in your adult life.
I see these women running the households. I see these pussy ass men pleading to any of the woman desires infront of their kids.

this, in my opinion, changes game a fuck ton.

[horn]

(01-23-2014 10:47 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

At a campus known to have some of the hottest college girls in America today I saw a good looking dude, well dressed, smiling with glee and holding hands with a fat tub of lard. This speaks volumes in how quality of women is going down even in "pussy paradises" and at the same time guys enjoy the shit sandwhich with a grin.

How is the quality going down if they have the hottest girls?

[Yeti]

(01-25-2014 10:06 AM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

One thing I have noticed, is that in these socialist times, more and more men are living in a woman's world.
I know for a fact that in Quebec, matriarchy has never been stronger.
Women make more money than men & get more university degrees

Little boys grow up only raised by women... mom's are the new dads in many households.. add the day nursing (women), then school teachers (women)
I believe there is a true loss of masculinity within men, and that the phenomena is only growing.
It's not even a beta/alpha thing, men are becoming fucking pussies.

If a man can break free from these social borders, swallow the red pill... and accept his masculinity

I think a sea of opportunities lays open for him. In business, like in women.
& these opportunities are only growing

I must add that the experiences you have with women, as a baby, as a young child, ultimately affect how you will grow up & be in your adult life.
I see these women running the households. I see these pussy ass men pleading to any of the woman desires infront of their kids.

this, in my opinion, changes game a fuck ton.

This is a good point. We disparage women for being rubbish... young Western men today, perhaps especially in the Anglosphere, are also a bit weak.

What I find is that there's a sharp dichotomy between pussified beta and unkind alpha.

It's important for every dude to be a good, kind guy. You can be an asshole and still be kind. That's part of what being an alpha is all about - a little cocky, but playful, and good-natured.

The problem is that I see a lot of assholes, seemingly including on this forum, who have forgotten all the good things about maintaining your childish innocence, about helping men when they're down, about being a leader on your own accord not because it brings you money or glory, but because it's the right thing to do.

We need more good men out there, men who slay, yeah, but also men who remember that there have been times in their lives when others helped them learn and grow. It wasn't just about slaying and personal gain then - someone was focused and mindful enough to realize that they were in need.

Live up to your potential, in every sense of the word.

[gringochileno]

I can't tell whether this is a cultural change or my game getting better, but I recently realized that I haven't gotten a notch on anything other than a first meeting (i.e. either night game SNL or online 1st date bang; I rarely attempt day approaches) in almost 2 years. Not too long ago it was normal for me to go 2-3 dates before a girl would give it up. Now, if anything a failure to get the notch on the 1st meeting almost certainly means I won't be getting it at all. I've also noticed that often girls won't be interested in meeting up again after the initial bang; this is also something that almost never used to happen. My hunch is that this can be chalked up to girls getting sluttier, but I can't rule out that a difference in my game is causing it.

On a related note, do you guys have any tried-and-true go-to moves for 2nd dates? After I've already run the 1st date bang recipe at a bar I don't know of anything that gives as high a degree of success at getting a girl back to your place. I used to take girls to loud clubs with the plan of heating them up with dancing and drinks and then pulling, but that option seems less and less appealing to me as I get older.

[Yeti]

(01-25-2014 09:44 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

I can't tell whether this is a cultural change or my game getting better, but I recently realized that I haven't gotten a notch on anything other than a first meeting (i.e. either night game SNL or online 1st date bang; I rarely attempt day approaches) in almost 2 years. Not too long ago it was normal for me to go 2-3 dates before a girl would give it up. Now, if anything a failure to get the notch on the 1st meeting almost certainly means I won't be getting it at all. I've also noticed that often girls won't be interested in meeting up again after the initial bang; this is also something that almost never used to happen. My hunch is that this can be chalked up to girls getting sluttier, but I can't rule out that a difference in my game is causing it.

On a related note, do you guys have any tried-and-true go-to moves for 2nd dates? After I've already run the 1st date bang recipe at a bar I don't know of anything that gives as high a degree of success at getting a girl back to your place. I used to take girls to loud clubs with the plan of heating them up with dancing and drinks and then pulling, but that option seems less and less appealing to me as I get older.

Second dates are tough... I'm not sure either. What definitely hasn't worked for me is basically repeating the first date. I.e., meet for drinks, especially if you're just talking more. You'll both get bored. If you find yourself in such a situation, escalate very quickly or just eject.

I lost a bang last year because of this =( Nice little school teacher poon.

[Flavius Aetius]

(01-25-2014 09:44 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Not too long ago it was normal for me to go 2-3 dates before a girl would give it up. Now, if anything a failure to get the notch on the 1st meeting almost certainly means I won't be getting it at all.

On a related note, do you guys have any tried-and-true go-to moves for 2nd dates?

I have seen this trend too. I almost wonder if this is a new hamster shit test on OKC--"if he cant impress/dazzle me enough to get me into bed on the first date then he is not going to get it at all". New hamster slut logic?

This is a problem for me because I generally go for the second date bang.

On a second date, you need to master logistics and guarantee you end up at her place or yours. I do this by insisting that I pick her up at her place and drive her to the date venue--it can suck because I live in Los Angeles with nightmarish traffic. However, it guarantees that I will end up either back at her place or mine. Does not guarantee sex, but greatly increases the odds.