Quote: (12-23-2013 11:11 AM)elabayarde Wrote:  

We should also repeal hippa laws by that logic as well and not treat broke people in emergent conditions, because you are forcing others to pay for there healthcare. It's amazing that you guys think that Obama or any other presidential candidate was any different. That law is about money. We pay astronomic prices treating people in the emergency room, as tax payers. These people who could have been seen for pennies by a primary care physician. But they have no insurance....so we foot the bill.

You know how many people go into the ER and rack up bills for stuff like, I have tumor on my sternum, and it's really just there xiphoid process.

Unfortunately, you have the Tea bagger mentality, that is so full of biggatry that they vote and fight against there own interest. But truth be told all this dems vs reps is bullshit. There's no difference in either party. Only sheep, betas, and blue pullers actually think there isand believe that fucking bed time story.

Because a 2,700 page bill that hurts the middle class and small business was not needed to fix the problems you addressed and that we were all concerned about.

The Republicans had some great ideas that would have worked far better. Tort Reform, interstate insurance competition, and other ideas.

Lol so basically you guys are trying to save me from the "impending doom".

I'm starting a tin foil hat business tonight.

I am sure the government is gonna make me have sex with the gays due to "hertophobia"

I am sure the government is going to make me date a woman's studies major

I am sure the government is going to make it impossible for me to expatriate funds (whoops too late!)

I am sure the government is doing everything purposely to fuck over men, LOL.

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Seriously if I can make it in this country anyone can make it. But instead they just try to find ways to hack the system and believe they should bang 9's because mommy said they were special.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:35 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Lol so basically you guys are trying to save me from the "impending doom".

I'm starting a tin foil hat business tonight.

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Seriously if I can make it in this country anyone can make it. But instead they just try to find ways to hack the system and believe they should bang 9's because mommy said they were special.

I can't speak for the others here, but for myself it isn't about making it in this country right now.

It is about where this country is heading, and it doesn't look good. And if the economy does implode, which is looking more and more likely as our govt. racks up debt to try to jump start the economy and it isn't responding, it is going to get very ugly here.

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:35 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Lol so basically you guys are trying to save me from the "impending doom".

I'm starting a tin foil hat business tonight.

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Seriously if I can make it in this country anyone can make it. But instead they just try to find ways to hack the system and believe they should bang 9's because mommy said they were special.

I can't speak for the others here, but for myself it isn't about making it in this country right now.

It is about where this country is heading, and it doesn't look good. And if the economy does implode, which is looking more and more likely as our govt. racks up debt to try to jump start the economy and it isn't responding, it is going to get very ugly here.

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Where are the facts to support your claims?

Haha alright when the world ends "it will be my time" and I'll just pack my bags take my money and leave.

Problem solved.

Basically telling me to fear the unexpected, my spidey senses are telling me I should not give two fucks.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Yeah, people in the red areas will be in a world of shit when the guvmint titty dries up. I will refer to it as natural selection. That has a nice ring to it.


   

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:44 PM)soup Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:35 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Lol so basically you guys are trying to save me from the "impending doom".

I'm starting a tin foil hat business tonight.

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Seriously if I can make it in this country anyone can make it. But instead they just try to find ways to hack the system and believe they should bang 9's because mommy said they were special.

I can't speak for the others here, but for myself it isn't about making it in this country right now.

It is about where this country is heading, and it doesn't look good. And if the economy does implode, which is looking more and more likely as our govt. racks up debt to try to jump start the economy and it isn't responding, it is going to get very ugly here.

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Where are the facts to support your claims?

Our debt to GDP ratio is already over 100%. It was long believed that once you got over the 80 to 90% range you can never recover.

We have passed a lot of legal regulation, which has done little to nothing to help/prevent the problems we have had. But it has done a great job of strangling business. This regulation will not go any where without a huge political fight that most likely cannot be won.

We have an estimated $90 trillion in liabilities, and there is simply no way to cover that. Which means a lot of people who are expecting Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security payments, COL increases, Pensions, and on and on are going to be severely disappointed.

That is just scratching the surface and alone spells huge trouble.

They didn't have iPhones in the Great Depression.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:53 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Haha alright when the world ends "it will be my time" and I'll just pack my bags take my money and leave.

Problem solved.

Basically telling me to fear the unexpected, my spidey senses are telling me I should not give two fucks.

I don't think it is unexpected, but I certainly hope we can avoid what appears to be heading our way.

Personally I am not overly prepared. Other than I work myself sick week after week and live cheaper than a homeless person. Saving my pennies up so I can get out of the USA or hope to convert them into supplies/ammo.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:55 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Yeah, people in the red areas will be in a world of shit when the guvmint titty dries up. I will refer to it as natural selection. That has a nice ring to it.

I'm from a small town in the midwest and the people know how to survive off nature. They can make it. But being in a big city on the coast could be pretty iffy if things go under.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:22 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Most of America is beautiful and always has been. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the American people have evolved into materialistic, nanny-state, narcissistic sociopaths who are slowly pissing away their birthright.

If you let your mind become obsessed with something (like the supposed decline of America) then your mind filters everything else out, and you'll find that thing everywhere. It's a recipe for resentment, angst, and hatred, and I see a lot of it on this forum.

For me, I filter out all the supposed signs of the apocalypse, and I don't let them affect me. Other people's lives and issues are irrelevant to me. Live and let live. America is a beautiful country, and I spend a lot of time experiencing it first hand. That is my "reality" and it keeps my mind healthy.

If I were to find myself complaining about where I lived, I'd first look at myself rather than blame the country or the people. If you can't figure that out and find happiness while living in the U.S., you're certainly not going to in another country.

In other words; it's all about PERSPECTIVE and creating your own reality to live within. Next time someone asks you: "Is America worth saving?" Ask them: "When's the last time you sat in a field by yourself and looked at the fucking stars?"

We don't have stars in NYC. If things go under here, we are coming after you country boys' food, supplies, and women Mad Maxx style.

America can't be saved in its current form. The country is basically a failed experiment. It's what you get when you cross a tradition of individualism, hard work and liberty with a declining moral/cultural environment and techno-worship in place of real spirituality. The American system of government (the entire American "idea" itself, really) was designed with virtuous, moral, educated, traditional citizens in mind, and the voting franchise was strictly limited for this reason. When we as a people lose those anchors, the system simply is not able to function the way it was designed.

Democracy was not designed to function with a population that is woefully undereducated and which is easily manipulated through the use of mass media. Republicanism was not designed to function in an environment where the representatives of the people are beholden to massive corporate and banking conglomerates, the likes of which didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written. Our system of government is fundamentally incompatible with the advances of technology combined with the sharp decline in the moral and intellectual quality of our country's voting citizenry.

The country currently exists not as a real country, in the sense of being a land mass occupied by a group of people with shared ancestry, culture, religion, tradition, etc... but as a giant moneymaking operation for the world's elite. The only overriding American value is money, followed by fame (and this mostly because fame can easily be converted into money in our culture).

There is no value placed on community.

There is no value placed on traditional ways of life.

There is no value placed on personal virtue, integrity or honor.

Essentially, there is no value placed on anything that cannot be directly monetized. The definition of value is modern American is literally "something that is worth money". Nothing else can have any value. We are a thoroughly poisoned people.

It seems strange and counter-intuitive, but the only hope for the West is a resurgence of authoritarian traditionalism. We need a cleansing fire to burn away a century's worth of filth and decadence enabled by our cultural rot. The pendulum has swung so far to the left in the past few decades that we desperately need a counter-swing to the right to restore our natural balance. Western civilization is like a mighty old-growth forest that has become flooded with invasive shrubs and vines that are choking the life out of centuries-old trees. We need a controlled burn to eliminate the threat and ensure the survival of the forest itself.

Whether we like it or not, and regardless if it offends our political sensibilities, that is the remedy. The only other alternative is annihilation.

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:37 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Democracy was not designed to function with a population that is woefully undereducated

Where is the evidence for that? America has a higher IQ now than it had at any time in history.

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:37 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

America can't be saved in its current form. The country is basically a failed experiment. It's what you get when you cross a tradition of individualism, hard work and liberty with a declining moral/cultural environment and techno-worship in place of real spirituality. The American system of government (the entire American "idea" itself, really) was designed with virtuous, moral, educated, traditional citizens in mind, and the voting franchise was strictly limited for this reason. When we as a people lose those anchors, the system simply is not able to function the way it was designed.

Democracy was not designed to function with a population that is woefully undereducated and which is easily manipulated through the use of mass media. Republicanism was not designed to function in an environment where the representatives of the people are beholden to massive corporate and banking conglomerates, the likes of which didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written. Our system of government is fundamentally incompatible with the advances of technology combined with the sharp decline in the moral and intellectual quality of our country's voting citizenry.

The country currently exists not as a real country, in the sense of being a land mass occupied by a group of people with shared ancestry, culture, religion, tradition, etc... but as a giant moneymaking operation for the world's elite. The only overriding American value is money, followed by fame (and this mostly because fame can easily be converted into money in our culture).

There is no value placed on community.

There is no value placed on traditional ways of life.

There is no value placed on personal virtue, integrity or honor.

Essentially, there is no value placed on anything that cannot be directly monetized. The definition of value is modern American is literally "something that is worth money". Nothing else can have any value. We are a thoroughly poisoned people.

It seems strange and counter-intuitive, but the only hope for the West is a resurgence of authoritarian traditionalism. We need a cleansing fire to burn away a century's worth of filth and decadence enabled by our cultural rot. The pendulum has swung so far to the left in the past few decades that we desperately need a counter-swing to the right to restore our natural balance. Western civilization is like a mighty old-growth forest that has become flooded with invasive shrubs and vines that are choking the life out of centuries-old trees. We need a controlled burn to eliminate the threat and ensure the survival of the forest itself.

Whether we like it or not, and regardless if it offends our political sensibilities, that is the remedy. The only other alternative is annihilation.

Please save me! I'm drowning in all these free resources, easy sluts and millions of opportunities.

Please please send me help! Bring the guns and ammo!

Please save me from a 6 figure job on the oil sands if I'm willing to put in the work

Please save me from investing in the stock market which is up 30%

Please save me from the tax sheltered vehicles given in the usa

Please save me from 3% interest on rental properties

My life is ending I'm dying... Can someone tell me what I need to be saved from if I'm getting fucked please let me know what else I deserve for nothing.

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:48 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:37 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Democracy was not designed to function with a population that is woefully undereducated

Where is the evidence for that? America has a higher IQ now than it had at any time in history.

Do you have any evidence to back this up?

As the voting base from the foundation of the country to now would be expected to have dropped as it now includes women who rank lower on the IQ scale than men and the women today are the majority of voters.

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:37 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

America can't be saved in its current form. The country is basically a failed experiment. It's what you get when you cross a tradition of individualism, hard work and liberty with a declining moral/cultural environment and techno-worship in place of real spirituality. The American system of government (the entire American "idea" itself, really) was designed with virtuous, moral, educated, traditional citizens in mind, and the voting franchise was strictly limited for this reason. When we as a people lose those anchors, the system simply is not able to function the way it was designed.

Democracy was not designed to function with a population that is woefully undereducated and which is easily manipulated through the use of mass media. Republicanism was not designed to function in an environment where the representatives of the people are beholden to massive corporate and banking conglomerates, the likes of which didn't even exist at the time the Constitution was written. Our system of government is fundamentally incompatible with the advances of technology combined with the sharp decline in the moral and intellectual quality of our country's voting citizenry.

The country currently exists not as a real country, in the sense of being a land mass occupied by a group of people with shared ancestry, culture, religion, tradition, etc... but as a giant moneymaking operation for the world's elite. The only overriding American value is money, followed by fame (and this mostly because fame can easily be converted into money in our culture).

There is no value placed on community.

There is no value placed on traditional ways of life.

There is no value placed on personal virtue, integrity or honor.

Essentially, there is no value placed on anything that cannot be directly monetized. The definition of value is modern American is literally "something that is worth money". Nothing else can have any value. We are a thoroughly poisoned people.

It seems strange and counter-intuitive, but the only hope for the West is a resurgence of authoritarian traditionalism. We need a cleansing fire to burn away a century's worth of filth and decadence enabled by our cultural rot. The pendulum has swung so far to the left in the past few decades that we desperately need a counter-swing to the right to restore our natural balance. Western civilization is like a mighty old-growth forest that has become flooded with invasive shrubs and vines that are choking the life out of centuries-old trees. We need a controlled burn to eliminate the threat and ensure the survival of the forest itself.

Whether we like it or not, and regardless if it offends our political sensibilities, that is the remedy. The only other alternative is annihilation.

Excellent and true. It is pretty easy to see the economic storm headed this way.

We can't keep borrowing a trillion dollars a year to cover our expenses at record low interest rates forever.

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:55 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Quote: (12-23-2013 12:39 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

My grandparents were all raised on farms during the great depression. All their families did well through it as they were prepared. What we are facing makes the great depression look like a blip on the radar and people today have far less resources to back them up and far less survival skills.

Yeah, people in the red areas will be in a world of shit when the guvmint titty dries up. I will refer to it as natural selection. That has a nice ring to it.

Notice how all of America's remotely decent cities are red? Coincidence? I think not.

Quote: (12-23-2013 01:51 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Please save me! I'm drowning in all these free resources, easy sluts and millions of opportunities.

Please please send me help! Bring the guns and ammo!

Please save me from a 6 figure job on the oil sands if I'm willing to put in the work

Please save me from investing in the stock market which is up 30%

Please save me from the tax sheltered vehicles given in the usa

Please save me from 3% interest on rental properties

My life is ending I'm dying... Can someone tell me what I need to be saved from if I'm getting fucked please let me know what else I deserve for nothing.

Quote:scorpion Wrote:

Essentially, there is no value placed on anything that cannot be directly monetized. The definition of value is modern American is literally "something that is worth money". Nothing else can have any value. We are a thoroughly poisoned people.

Thank you for proving my point.

It's very telling that the doom and gloom people usually live in or are from red places. No wonder they're miserable. If you're a red place person, instead of talking about the uncertain future, which you have zero credibility discussing to begin with, let's talk about what we do know: where you live sucks. Period.

Let's face the facts, no one on this forum posts inspiring data sheets about red places. Most of the leading members are from or live in blue places. That's not a coincidence.

Quote: (12-23-2013 02:12 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

It's very telling that the doom and gloom people usually live in or are from red places. No wonder they're miserable. If you're a red place person, instead of talking about the uncertain future, which you have zero credibility discussing to begin with, let's talk about what we do know: where you live sucks. Period.

Let's face the facts, no one on this forum posts inspiring data sheets about red places. Most of the leading members are from or live in blue places. That's not a coincidence.

Depends what you want in your life.

What you find in the red states might suck, but to others it is a paradise. The women here are more like foreign women in that they are more traditional and less materialistic. Lots of land and more freedoms. Far cheaper COL and lower taxes. Lots of people in the red states are free from working their lives away by their early 50's and do so just to have something to do.

As far as the future, economically for us to avoid collapse would be a miracle. And I wouldn't want to be any where close to a crowded blue state region when that happens.

Most people here talk about game and lifestyle. No one moves to Bumfuck USA for that. You're in the wrong forum dude. Were you looking for AARP?

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Quote: (12-23-2013 02:17 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Most people here talk about game and lifestyle. No one moves to Bumfuck USA for that. You're in the wrong forum dude.

I don't think Roosh started this thread with this in mind.

Yea, the blue region is better for finding women, since it is a more big brother safety net region for them. So you have to weight the costs of paying so much to meet women or to stay cheap and just not meet as many.

All in all, I would rather get out of the USA to meet women, as the entire country is poisoned with anti-male thinking.