Quote: (11-08-2013 02:24 PM)trapper_john Wrote:  

Let me put it this way, I was in Riga last weekend. Snogged a girl in a club and got a number from the girl. In the morning, I looked her up on WhatsApp and saw her photo and saw it was her real number. Then I waited until she came online which I could see on when she was online with her status of WhatsApp . Tell me how you get that with iMessage?

You don't, but none of that shit makes a difference. Waiting for a girl to come online? Sheesh.

There's something about whatsapp, like BBM a few years ago. It just seems to flick the switch in a girl's head from "some guy sending me messages" to "some guy I'm chatting with".

It's the 'chat' element that works so well, you can use it without seeming desperate - "what kind of loser would send 10 texts in a row?"

Face-to-face is always best but when that's not possible then it's a good way to bump up the "you and me" duration and get a girl to make a time investment in you. Plus it costs a bomb to send picture messages via text.

I don't know but somehow it makes them respond quicker than they would otherwise via text. It's the girl writing back quickly that makes it easier to call her. This is really quite simple and half the guys here recognise it when they see it.

Who cares if it's a few seconds faster

This is playing into the girl's frame of attention whoring by endless texting

Send a couple of flirty texts, set up logistics to meet

"Chatting" should be done with the girl sitting next to you with a drink in front of her

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It's instant, a text message takes 2-5 seconds to send and be received, a whatsapp message is seen the instant you press send. This enables a real time conversation without a lag of 2-5 secs between messages. This therefore encourages conversation and the use of words which you wouldn't bother sending in a text.

Maybe I'm just old, but I really don't get how a 2 second latency really changes things. Maybe I use IM differently from other people?

Call it what you want ...it's still texting.

Text for logistics. Tell her to call YOU later. It filters out the flakes and princesses.

Quote: (11-08-2013 02:59 PM)reino341 Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2013 02:24 PM)trapper_john Wrote:  

Let me put it this way, I was in Riga last weekend. Snogged a girl in a club and got a number from the girl. In the morning, I looked her up on WhatsApp and saw her photo and saw it was her real number. Then I waited until she came online which I could see on when she was online with her status of WhatsApp . Tell me how you get that with iMessage?

You don't, but none of that shit makes a difference. Waiting for a girl to come online? Sheesh.

I am almost convinced. I am trying to come up with a typical scenario where using whatsapp would be to your advantage compared to texting.

As I understand it, you are going to text a girl and want to check if she is available. You turn on whatsapp, she is online, you message her "hey, hows it going", she responds right away. "Hi- good!" then you can say "so is it a good time to call now?"

She can't really say "No I am too busy using whatsapp with some of my orbiters". And you basically cut to the front of the line? Whereas if you sent her this via text, she might just ignore it because she already has her hands full with texting guys on whatsapp?

This sounds like a waste of time, but of it works for you then do it.

I do this really weird Gaming technique, where I go to a public venue and walk up to a girl, get her number and text her 2-4 texts and set up logistics to meet.

Pretty rare, but it seems to work.

Quote: (11-08-2013 07:28 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

This sounds like a waste of time, but of it works for you then do it.

I do this really weird Gaming technique, where I go to a public venue and walk up to a girl, get her number and text her 2-4 texts and set up logistics to meet.

Pretty rare, but it seems to work.

Interesting.

Mine is even stranger.

Here is my Game Model:

1. Talk to girl. Try to swoop her then. If not, get phone number.

2. Call. Set meeting.

3. Try to swoop again.

Real futuristic.

You never text ever?

It's good to remind us, the important thing is to make a good first impression so that she will actually want you to call/text/whatever

Quote: (11-08-2013 07:40 PM)master_thespian Wrote:  

You never text ever?

It's good to remind us, the important thing is to make a good first impression so that she will actually want you to call/text/whatever

I do.

But I don't "sell" over text.

Here is my breakdown:

Business and Girls: Phone Game VS Text Game

And yes, this does work on 21 year old girls.

Just did it on a 23 year old girl this week.

"1. Talk to girl. Try to swoop her then. If not, get phone number."

ONS is assumed. In fact numbers can cockblock you.

But...

The swooping same night CANNOT HAPPEN!

I can't believe you advocate this, you must be trolling all of us.

Haha

Quote: (11-08-2013 07:47 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

"1. Talk to girl. Try to swoop her then. If not, get phone number."

ONS is assumed. In fact numbers can cockblock you.

But...

The swooping same night CANNOT HAPPEN!

I can't believe you advocate this, you must be trolling all of us.

Haha

Quote: (11-08-2013 08:42 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2013 07:12 AM)TimDV Wrote:  

Yeah, agree on the whatsapp. Also, I have some pictures ready for different situations.. like some bondage rope, a few joke pictures and a few that can lead the conversation to something more sexual.

Whatsapp also gives their real fullname in the notification center as long as the contact is not in your phonebook. I think this is a bug, but it's very handy.

Can you specify?

No it does not.

Its only shows the name THaT YOU CAN CHANGE IN THE SETTINGS page.
So for example when I anonymous folks see my whatsapp number they see my initials not my name.

I'll put out a datasheet on whatsapp soon.

Quote: (11-08-2013 06:14 PM)El_Superbeasto Wrote:  

Maybe I'm just old, but I really don't get how a 2 second latency really changes things. Maybe I use IM differently from other people?

The lack of latency means that the dialogue becomes a conversation rather than a series of messages. It is no different to having a conversation over the phone.

You ever tried having a conversation with 5 seconds (my phone takes a good 5 seconds to deliver a text) between each word?

Whatsapp is the same as talking to someone except you're using the medium of text, this is because its instant.

I had this conversation with an 8 whilst on the train with my work colleagues last night:

Her: so the question is did u have a top on today under your hoody
Me: haha no
Her: I should have come to london with you
Me: so many people asked me that
Her: love it
Her: you looked hot
Me: u think?
Her: wanted to unzip you
Her: yea massively
Her: lol
Me: unzip me eh sounds nice
Me: you could unzip my hoody too
Her: my thoughts were nice
Her:

Nothing remarkable about the above except that that whole dialogue took place within a minute. The instanaeity (is that a word) allowed us to flirt and create an energy. Its possible by text but easier when its instant IMO.

I wouldn't have been able to have this convo over the phone as was with people on a train. The lizard was drunk and flirty and was able to reciprocate her flirtyness.

In retrospect maybe it would have been better if I had waited until this morning when she was sober and hungover and made a phone call, I'm sure she would have responded just the same...

For guys who get lots of numbers the big advantage of WhatsApp is that as soon as you open her contact in WhatsApp you see the photo and she can see you. So no more trying to figure who is that girl behind the number you got when you were drunk or on that night when you got 3 numbers.

It's also useful when you come back from vacation and want to stay in touch with some girl from another country who probably wouldnt if she had to text or email.

Upside is you can see the last time they were online and know if they got the message. Downside is some people don 't check it everyday.

Okay, so Whatsapp is fantastic, and has many advantages over conventional texting.

1- Instantaneous - --- Like folks have mentioned above, the almost zero time lag allows for the possibility of conversation, instead of a series of texts being sent back and forth. An added plus considering the terribly short attention spans people have.
The time lag gap between texting and whatsapp is similar to communicating via morse code and telephone......the first was faster than most other ways then, and good enough to communicate, but the calling allowed for way better conversations. Nothing beats face to face communication, but IMing using apps like whatsapp does make conversations faster and more versatile, with minimal time investment.. For example, I was able to talk about my preference for my girl"s left boob over her right one while I was taking a dump. She was incensed,one thing led to another, and she turned up at my place in the afternoon. I made sure to ignore her right boob altogether, and she made for pleasant company. Plus a couple boob pics. Low effort, low investment, decent return. Wouldntve worked with conventional texting, this.

2- Vetting girls - So you go out, get a bunch of makeouts and numbers, and you want to pipeline some of these girls. Maybe you forgot their names, or what they looked like, or perhaps she told you she was single but refused to put out? You have her number, so check her whatsapp out. What sort of photo does she have up? Is it slutty, is it a duckface, is it some random flower, or four guys kissing her? What is her "status"? Does it give you some sort of clue about about her love life, her emotional leanings, her personality. If you're good at cold reading, very often a girl's Whatsapp profile will be gold. And if you're not, I implore you to study and become good at it.
Also helps when you're not sure if the girl's given you a fake number, saves you time and effort (and possible embarrasment) texting random strangers.

3- Let your own profile be your wingman --- Does a girl who made out with you yday refuse to recognise you in public? Maybe you had a great connection with a great girl but she forgot your name.? Did you not get the opportunity to DHV, or is there more to you than the 15 min convo you had yday?
Use your profile to peacock.
Choose a good pic, similar to what you would on OKC or FB or other such sites.
In addition, put up a decent status.
If youre like me and value your privacy, also change your name to a pseudonym or initials.

Use this to build mystery or DHV, be blatant or be subtle, but be congruent.


And then, go ahead and ping those random chicks from yday who probably don't remember you today.
Having a decent photo and status will greatly improve the odds that a girl will respond to you, or open you of her own. Massive improvement over text.

But hey, being the poon warrior that you are, you're not content to just have a nice profile. You can use your profile to gain hand,spike her emotions,moisten her snatch and make her hunger for you.

In a fight with a girlfriend? Update status a pseudo elitist suffering statemtnt, change your photo to a tinted/b&w/blurred pic.

Bitch acting cold or losing interest? Shorten your rplies, update your status to a random smiley/non sequitur/YOLO/live-life-to-the-fullest type, update your pic to one with many girls (or one hot girl), or DJing, or paragliding etc.

You've got your girl but want to build attraction/rapport? FightClub quote and a photo where you're highly engaged or very macho (a boxing pic/ playing a violin/changing a tyre/readin a book----add a whiskey--works brilliantly).

Etc.


4- Last seen, Typing, etc ----- So you are probably aware that the person who cares less in the relationship (usually) has more power...hence newbies are advised to keep their texts shorter and further apart than those received. Whatsapp introduced a "last seen" option, providing insecure partners more things to be insecure about.

Say u ask a chick if she's free for dinner, at 4pm. Her last seen status is 4:09 pm. Which means she read your text and did not reply. Cue jealousinsecurerage.

Also, when ur online, it shows ur status as online (there's an option to deactivate these statuses in a few phones, tho I urge u to use them to your advantage).

How can you use this to your advantage.? Flip the script on chicks (and be mean to the nice ones once in a while). When chicks ping you, ignore their texts once in a while. With whatsapp, the last seen thing ensures that they know you've seen the texts and not replied. Helps with hand, be careful not to overuse.

Also, when you're having conversations, keep your whatsapp open bt do not reply immediately. Occasionally, keep the window open for a while before closing it or replying. Since whatspp is almost instantaneous, shell be used to u replying pretty fast. When ur seen online, shell assume ur typing and wait....keep her waiting. Even a delay of 3-4 min will rustle her up a bit and get the hamster spinning. This is the equivalent of standing up in the middle of a conversation and staring at a chick across the hall/goin for a piss etc. Helps maintain hand, get the hamster spinning, the whole alpha image

Also, if uve entered text in the chat window make sure u send it. Don't wait with text preentered. Seeing a "...is texting" followed by "online" the chick may pick up on the fact tht your merely acting pricey and not really busy. Remember---she smells blood, your game is up. Salvageable, but why risk it? Hit send and then stay online.

This point is really unnecessary vivisection, becoming instinctive as you get better, but posted for the sake of completeness.


5- Pic and Audio sharing ---- her naked pics.
Also, a lot of times pictures are excellent ways of carrying forward/stoppin conversations, shutting up a girl, keeping interest etc. For eg---- I have a pic which has Peas on a table, with the title "Bitch, peas" in bold. Every time a girl starts acting snobby, I send her the pic. Most usually laugh and revert to better moods. Helps to keep a few stock images that u can use in conversations...
Caveat- don't go overboard, use your judgement and good taste.

Video --- a funny vid, a cute vid and a sexy vid. That's all I have. Wen a girl is down and I'm busy, I send her the cute vid(an animated pig and a delightful kid singing in italian). Tell her to keep lookin at it till I'm free. This usually cheers them up and improves my significnce in their lives. Low investmennt, then I meet her up and swoop her off her feet with my charisma and great listening skills(if she's hot).

Audio ----- very rare, I usually prefer talkin on the phone. For eg----- I never text gn etc, and drew a lot of flak from my girl for it for a lot of time. So one day, I recorded a full song sung at the top of my voice and sent it to her at night. "What??????? Was??????? That??????" She asked. I said that's my way of saying gn, asked her to repeat it every night wen I didn't wish her. No more nagging for a year, problem solved without giving in to her demands


Also, with whatsapp groups and broadcasts, it is possible to play up your social circle game and mass text loads of chicks, but I believe that most ppl here will be able to do tat with ease.

By this time I'm sure you'll agree that whatsapp is better and more versatile than conventional texting.
Whether you use it and to what extent is dependent on your M.O.and mojo.

Cheers

There are a lot of girls who aren't using these apps, but almost every girl has texting.

All 9 girls I have as leads at the moment are on this app. Depends in which city you're based.

Seems like there's a generational divide on this.

I gotta side with the guys saying that it seems kind of like a waste of time.

Not long ago I was all about texting game, and heating girls interests up by text, sometimes over extended periods of time, but having switched to just pushing more quickly to meeting up, I'm seeing a lot more success.

Then again, I'm not all about going out at night and collecting tons of numbers anymore either.

But it may make sense for the younger guys.

I don't think it's so much an age divide as an experience divide

It's between guys who still get a thrill and ego boost from getting lots of girls numbers and texting with them and getting a bit of their attention and maybe some pics, and guys who have done that a thousand times and now see it as a burden and a time pit and get their thrill from actually having the girl naked in their bed

But I guess that's part of the evolution a player has to go through these days until he learns there is a better way

how is this any different from Google Hangouts?

no one uses hangouts

Whatsapp is great for communicating with girls in third world shit holes because a lot of those girls are so damn broke that they can't afford to send texts. With Whatsapp, all they need is a wi-fi connection and they can text unlimited to you and send you pics of their beavers.

I've yet to use it in Canada and probably never will, text will do.

You guys should be pushing for SNLs instead of feeding into the female attention whoring machine.

Women compartmentalize their dating. They have a guy for sex, one for dinner dates, one for buying them shit, one for listening to their relationship bullshit ...etc.

You want to be the sex guy. Don't let them put you in any another category.