Ever since Mystery dropped the bomb with the pickup-artist the game changed and suddenly everybody was negging, talking about DHV's and and "chick crack".

I have'nt heard from dude in a while and his methods aren't really talked about that much anymore. I've always thought he developed arguably the best social circle gaming strategy out there. I still use elements of it to this day.

Who else?

Mystery is the Founding Father of the PUA community. His logical strategies offer a coherent, pragmatic system for attracting women. Most of the subsequent information online is Mystery's original content merely repackaged and styled for newcomers.

Many new guys will dismiss Mystery because he dressed like a clown. Or they will cherry pick corny lines that he uses in "the Mystery Method" to contest that he is out of date. I recommend anyone new to game to start with that book and keep an open mind, because it is a treasure of powerful ideas.

He was the originating genius that combined evo psych and in-field experimentation. Before that there were only academic psych researchers and rule-of-thumb narrators that used experience without a theoretical framework.

Any academic researcher who researched Last Minute Resistance and published the results would have been out of a job for life.

Plus there probably was no one with the obsessive persistence to approach ten thousand times with codifying the knowledge in mind; who was also tall and young enough to get rewarded enough to gain the data.

There is a lot of hate for mystery on this board because certain high-ranking members get stuck on one element of his style and simply can't see past that; mainly that he dressed like some sort of circus clown raver magician. However, even though mystery didn't originate any of the ideas he laid into place he was the first person to codify all the disparate elements of the human seduction process into a simple, replicable formula. Almost anything you can read about on this board can be traced back to his original formulas. Take one of the biggest mystery haters on this board, gmanifesto, and look at his 'innovations' and see how they relate to mystery's previous observations:

"suit game" = peacocking
"the greatest opener of all time" = opening and isolation
"having venues on lockdown' = social proof, demonstrations of higher value, being a leader of men

Now, the game has evolved somewhat past the need for memorized routines and openers to a more natural life improvement sort of game; in essence actually becoming higher value instead of 'faking it til you make it' sort of mystery style but I still believe MM is a good place to start for someone who is sincerely socially awkward. If you are a 30 year old computer nerd virgin who plays WOW 18 hours a day and want to get started in game, gmanifesto style and actually being high value simply is not a viable option. I'm not saying that goal isn't something to be strived towards, because it totally is, it's just not a viable starting option. Getting out there, hitting the pavement, talking to people and working out your kinks in the field IS. You learn more from that than from buying a suit and going James Bond in a bar. Just saying. And even mystery preached actually becoming high value as the end game of 'faking it til you make it', which always was just a jumping board into becoming socially adept.

And to address the one aspect of mystery that a lot of people seem to get hung up, the way he dressed; if you actually read what mystery has written on the subject of peacocking, he advises students not to dress like he does, he says he dresses this way so he can get a barrage of shit tests early on, pass them, and immediately build a stratospheric level of attraction and move to the comfort/rapport stage. He does this mostly because he is a teacher and has students watching him all the time, these are extremely important lessons for people that can't even talk to other human beings. His actual advice for students is, basically, stand out from the crowd you are in, if you are in a college bar where everyone is wearing shorts, dress really nice, and if you're are in a venue where everyone is dressed to the nines, dress down a little bit and always wear at least one interesting item because it gives you something for the girl to comment on or for you to talk about. Mystery never advised his students to dress as he did, it was simply a teaching mechanism.

From someone most of us have a great deal of respect for, Roissy,
"Anyways, how did I miss this? Scientists actually reviewed Mystery’s accelerated seduction blueprint, and what they discovered will surely wither further the already diminutive hearts of manboobs, freaks, monsters, feminists, losers, dweebs, omegas, white knights, traditionalists and slithery “academics” pretending to be feminists in order to score hipster chick poon: The concepts underlying game strategies are factually grounded, and game works!"
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/0...ame-works/

"Mystery Method is still the bible of pickup. Read this one first because it will introduce you in layman’s terms to the evolutionary wisdom that underlies the seduction of women, and very quickly moves on to real, practical techniques that you can immediately apply in field. Mystery Method isn’t the final word on pickup, and it has some flaws in its focus on opening large groups in nightclubs that might put off more introverted men, but it continues to be one of the best reference manuals out there."
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/03/2...resources/

Farmageddon, thank you for your elaborate and well developed post.

I personally rely on Mystery's codification regularly. The formula of Attraction, Comfort, Seduction is a big part of my approach.

Sure, I don't need canned openers or use his style of peacocking, I do follow the principles. When I open, it might something off the top of my head, but I understand, a la Mystery, the importance of getting their attention immediately, regardless of what I say.

And I only wear suits...definitely peacock theory.

attraction, comfort, seduction

isolation and escalation

focusing on emotion rather than logic

knocking hot girls off the pedastal




that's the crux of MM to me. just a bit lacking in authenticity and emphasis on closing, closing, closing.

This topic was discussed hardcore in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-22635.html

Quote: (10-19-2013 01:12 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

that's the crux of MM to me. just a bit lacking in authenticity and emphasis on closing, closing, closing.

Yeah, Mystery Method doesn't emphasize enough a basic ingredient of game - having a killer instinct. For escalating and for getting the notch.

The other thing I've noticed is that Mystery and company focused too much on trying to build attraction with girls who are only marginally interested. In other words, trying to build attraction from scratch.

That's why there was so much fascination with guys about how to deal with shit-tests, how to plow, and hurl negs. Because they weren't being taught to screen for girls who are genuinely attracted to you and are down to fuck.

Are you guys trying to advertise mystery's stuff or something? It sounds like a bunch of bad spam bots.

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Are you guys trying to advertise mystery's stuff or something? It sounds like a bunch of bad spam bots.

That trolling tactic was already tried ad infinitum in the aforementioned link Samseau provided.

I really enjoy a lot of MM principles and tactics

What's always been weird for me though is watching him. He doesn't really seem to be "there" & it seems like he's separated from 'reality' and kind of like a mechanical robot. But despite what I perceive - this "separateness" - he gets the bang, and I've always tried to reconcile the two but never have been able to.

What I mean by "being there" is that when two people are naturally interacting they feed off each other and everything seems natural. Watching Mystery in-field everything seems forced and lacking 'chemistry'. Like he's always giving a lecture rather than interacting. But he does get the bang

Check out around the 13:10 min mark and the 40:30 min mark

The problem with much of Mystery's tactics is that it doesn't come off as congruent for those trying it. As a result, it doesn't work. For example, he gave this hook-and-release tactic using an example. For example, he asks a girls what she does for a living. She says she's a nurse. Then he replies with, "oh cool, my ex-girl was a nurse.. I can't talk to you now." At which point he turns around and ignores her.

Let me tell you, my friends and I tried this tactic and 90% of the time it WILL NOT work. How it works for him is WAY beyond me.

The reason, I think, why certain things work for him but not you or your friends is because of a lot of things he brings up.

The whole idea of peacocking is to develop intrigue. When you dress differently you build intrigue. When you do anything differently (as long as that difference doesn't equate to something low-value) you build intrigue.

When an intriguing person talks to you and then turns away, you're going to get a different sense than if someone normal, or low-value, were to do it. (Not to place a judgment on you because I don't know you).

The peacocking he used worked well in Hollywood at the time, because Hollywood was a rock and roll town back then. Now it's more LMFAO (or at least was until recently) than guns n roses, so the average player has to adjust his style accordingly.

You can't hate Mystery, unless you were a "natural" who now has to deal with more "competition."

I use his structure, i believe it's core

attraction, comfort, close.

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Then he replies with, "oh cool, my ex-girl was a nurse.. I can't talk to you now." At which point he turns around and ignores her.

What?

It's not working for you because you aren't doing it right. I'm betting you have very little to no ability to socially calibrate yourself.

The better move would be to say, "oh cool, my ex-girlfriend was a nurse too...I can't even talk to you right now...get away from me!" <<while pulling her into you physically. Or to say the same thing and slightly turn your body away from her as if you are about to leave and smirk at her.

I'll bet she pulls you into her or punches you in the arm or some shit. That's usually the response I get when I say something like above.

Try that next time instead of just turning around and ignoring a girl. How exactly do you expect that to work when you are essentially ending the interaction?

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I use his structure, i believe it's core

attraction, comfort, close.

People can question mystery's fashion sense or the efficiency of canned openers and routine stacks but his observations and insights into the human seduction process are unassailable.

I kind of do a mixture of all the guys' methods..

Chateau Mysteroosh

Quote: (10-19-2013 02:44 PM)Pyre Wrote:  

I really enjoy a lot of MM principles and tactics

What's always been weird for me though is watching him. He doesn't really seem to be "there" & it seems like he's separated from 'reality' and kind of like a mechanical robot. But despite what I perceive - this "separateness" - he gets the bang, and I've always tried to reconcile the two but never have been able to.

He's very tall, and has well-defined Northern European features. That's what allowed him to have enough successes to continue his research while doing crash-and-burn thousands of times to figure it all out. Still a genius though.

Quote: (10-19-2013 02:14 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

Are you guys trying to advertise mystery's stuff or something? It sounds like a bunch of bad spam bots.

Information of value is always welcome.

He was the Jimi Hendrix of pickup. You can hate, but you'll always be second, and late.

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What's always been weird for me though is watching him. He doesn't really seem to be "there" & it seems like he's separated from 'reality' and kind of like a mechanical robot. But despite what I perceive - this "separateness" - he gets the bang, and I've always tried to reconcile the two but never have been able to.

Thats because all his lines and stories are scripted and rehearsed.

Mystery was the first person to work out a narrative that worked best for him. Personally, I think the whole fuzzy boots and hat are stupid. My response to such a thing is repulsion and hate.

However, that is the intention. The whole "peacocking" thing is very much something that transcends anyone.

What happens when I "peacock" with good clothes? I get guys shit testing me, acting jealous, and all around are acting like haters.

They're envious of your ability to stand out from the crowd. They don't get that they're not going to succeed very well that night.

Instead of looking at the "trees" of his game, zoom out and see the forest. As others have said in this forum, his methodology works.

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Quote: (10-19-2013 01:12 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

that's the crux of MM to me. just a bit lacking in authenticity and emphasis on closing, closing, closing.

Yeah, Mystery Method doesn't emphasize enough a basic ingredient of game - having a killer instinct. For escalating and for getting the notch.

Agree with that. This is what I love about Krauser and some of the other newer guys, they try not to overthink it.

That said, Mystery probably did 10,000 approaches. Krauser's done a ton. You can see the change in voice in his blog - go read the archives from 2009 and compare to the past month. There is no substitute for experience. It's like me asking Tom Brady for tips on playing football.

Quote: (10-18-2013 10:55 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

Ever since Mystery dropped the bomb with the pickup-artist the game changed and suddenly everybody was negging, talking about DHV's and and "chick crack".

I have'nt heard from dude in a while and his methods aren't really talked about that much anymore. I've always thought he developed arguably the best social circle gaming strategy out there. I still use elements of it to this day.

Who else?

If you run structured game, some of that is thanks to Mystery.

Men have been writing about how to get women into bed for thousands of years. From the first Cave paintings to The Rational Male.

But imo, Mys was the first to say
- do this
- do that
- if she says A. B. or C, then do x, y, or z.

Ovid certainly wasn't giving you the second by second playbook.
Same with Iceberg Slim.

Dudes pushing "lifestyle" game are correct in that having an awesome life brings women into your world - but consciously structuring your encounter helps everyone.

WIA

What exactly is the "mystery method"???

Can someone summarize it in a few lines?

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What exactly is the "mystery method"???

Can someone summarize it in a few lines?

In its most basic form the formula would be:

Attraction>Comfort>Seduction

Mystery further breaks these down into 3 subcategories:

Attraction 1, Attraction 2, Attraction 3
Comfort 1, Comfort 2, Comfort 3
Seduction 1, Seduction 2, Seduction 3

   

Quote: (10-22-2013 04:10 PM)Farmageddon Wrote:  

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Then he replies with, "oh cool, my ex-girl was a nurse too.. I can't talk to you now." At which point he turns around and ignores her.

The better move would be to say, "oh cool, my ex-girlfriend was a nurse too...I can't even talk to you right now...get away from me!" <<while pulling her into you physically. Or to say the same thing and slightly turn your body away from her as if you are about to leave and smirk at her.

I don't get it.

What you said is exactly what I said. What's the difference? I'm doing it exactly how Mystery teaches where after he replies with, "I can't talk to you now," he turns around and ignores her. My friends have tried this tactic and they report that it doesn't work most of the time for them either. I also read on a couple of forums where peolpe complained that this tactic doesnt work.

When you said, "pull her into you physically," are you suggesting that I grab and pull her into me?