Quote: (04-18-2013 09:48 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:46 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:26 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Again it all comes down to working out.

Every guy should be hitting the gym 3x a week. Minimum.

By approaching a girl and being fit/big, you're already ahead of 98%(if not more), of the competition.

Did I log into bodybuilding.com?

Hotwheels, in all seriousness, I have to ask...do you even lift, bro?

I do 12 oz. curls brah!

Quote: (04-18-2013 10:02 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:48 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:46 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:26 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Again it all comes down to working out.

Every guy should be hitting the gym 3x a week. Minimum.

By approaching a girl and being fit/big, you're already ahead of 98%(if not more), of the competition.

Did I log into bodybuilding.com?

Hotwheels, in all seriousness, I have to ask...do you even lift, bro?

I do 12 oz. curls brah!

12 oz? are we weighing chicken breast? haha

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:49 AM)soup Wrote:  

I will say that I have more trouble in the summer and I often think it has to do with how girls react to my body.

Over the years I have noticed the same thing. It's much easier for me in the winter as a coat hides the fact I am slender.

I've got the height, so a bulky coat makes me slightly imposing.

Quote: (04-18-2013 10:38 AM)juice Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 10:02 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:48 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:46 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:26 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Again it all comes down to working out.

Every guy should be hitting the gym 3x a week. Minimum.

By approaching a girl and being fit/big, you're already ahead of 98%(if not more), of the competition.

Did I log into bodybuilding.com?

Hotwheels, in all seriousness, I have to ask...do you even lift, bro?

I do 12 oz. curls brah!

12 oz? are we weighing chicken breast? haha

Guess I have to post this for the non drinkers to get the joke.

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Disagree with this vid. Although it is true that clavicle length cannot be extended, your shoulder size is determined by more than your deltoids.

Also, that exercise is weak as shit and honestly isn't going to do much for a man compared to, say, the deadlift, which will hit every major back muscle you have.

Anyway take a look at this:



See the teres major and minor, rhomboid, supraspinatus, and trapezoids?

Grow all of these muscles in tandem and before you know you'll get your wings and v-shape. Do the deadlift.

These posts and threads always make me laugh.

There are many studies on ideal proportions, another one is found, but yet people want to debate on being able to find your own ideal proportions.

The problem with the op post is it simply says "shoulder width". That's not the answer. It's shoulder width relative to your hips.

Mesamorph, ectomorph, whatever doesn't matter. You just build appropriately.

1.618 times your hip to hip waist measurement (assuming you are low body fat) is your ideal shoulders for those that care.

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Quick fix to all this- wear black motorcycle jacket. Get one that fits and has the shoulder straps on top of your shoulder, not in front. Biker jackets are the new custom tailored suits.

Yeah, I did a post a while back on the "golden ratio" between the waist and shoulders. Forget the exact ratio.

Guys bench when they should be doing more later raises and other shoulder building exercies.

And lots of back work (hammer strength back machine is the best) to pull your shoulders back and give you a good posture.

Been bulking which means my stomach is wider. My ratio is off and the looks for girls have dropped noticeably.

When dieting down, I can tell when I've hit the right weight. The looks just start coming more and more frequently until they hit a critical mass.

Just like me are into the waist-hip ratio, so are women into the shoulder-waist ratio.

Sorta blows away all that dorky bullshit that, "Women are not visual creatures."

Spend a lot of time on this:



Builds up back and rear delts and makes you wide.

Pull it all the way back. If you can't (most can't pull it all the way back, due to using slobby form over the years and thus they lack structural integrity of the back and shoulder girdle areas), have a training partner push it that extra inch.

If no training partner, lighten the load. It's more important to get full range of motion and to hold the contraction.

Hold the contraction for 1 second.

On your last set, hold the contraction for as long as possible and do a super slow negative. A 30 second negative is great.

That builds up your entire back structure in a way unlikely to cause injury.

Quote: (04-18-2013 10:38 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 09:49 AM)soup Wrote:  

I will say that I have more trouble in the summer and I often think it has to do with how girls react to my body.

Over the years I have noticed the same thing. It's much easier for me in the winter as a coat hides the fact I am slender.

I've got the height, so a bulky coat makes me slightly imposing.

Have you ever noticed 2 things are most fashion experts?

1. They are major advocates of layering.

2. They are skinny.

1 and 2 are related, though they might not consciously realize it.

Fashion is meant to make skinnier guys have the illusion of being bigger guys.

If you're a bigger guy and follow fashion rules, you end up looking like a stupid blockhead with a square physique.

But if you're skinny, layer, layer, layer. She wont' know any better until the clothes come off - and by then it'll be too late.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Spend a lot of time on this:

Which of the 4 handles do you grip ? Or do you alternate all 4?

What do you think about rowing one arm at a time to get maximum ROM?

Why this over a barbell row?

What kind of clothes are you wearing that shows off your shoulder to waist ratio or hip to waist ratio?

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:38 PM)jammer Wrote:  

What kind of clothes are you wearing that shows off your shoulder to waist ratio or hip to waist ratio?

V-neck, wife beaters, Henley t-shirts. More chest showing the better.

Also agree with mike, if you need "shoulder pads" $1,000 says you're skinny. The fashion designer you go to should be recommending no shoulder pads because you are too big. If you wear padded shoulders and are in shape you will look like a box and get 0 benefits from suit game.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:38 PM)jammer Wrote:  

What kind of clothes are you wearing that shows off your shoulder to waist ratio or hip to waist ratio?

Guys with strong shoulder to waist ratios should wear:

henleys
v-neck shirts
slim-fit shirts
slim-fit sweaters

MikeCF is right though, guys who work out a ton but never cut and bring down that BMI just look fat to chicks. Despite putting in grueling hours in the gym, guess what? That skinny dude who's layered up like he's about to go bang Iceland is going to look better to chicks.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

When dieting down, I can tell when I've hit the right weight. The looks just start coming more and more frequently until they hit a critical mass.

Just like me are into the waist-hip ratio, so are women into the shoulder-waist ratio.

Sorta blows away all that dorky bullshit that, "Women are not visual creatures."

This times a million. I love hitting the sauna (childhood stuff and all). I take off my shirt to let it dry.

Since hitting the gym regularly, girls in the sauna visually scope me out MUCH harder than before. Its a great motivator.

Girls are funny...they think they are being sneaky, but they just haven't ever learned how to "sneak a peek".

Quote: (04-18-2013 11:19 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

These posts and threads always make me laugh.

There are many studies on ideal proportions, another one is found, but yet people want to debate on being able to find your own ideal proportions.

The problem with the op post is it simply says "shoulder width". That's not the answer. It's shoulder width relative to your hips.

Mesamorph, ectomorph, whatever doesn't matter. You just build appropriately.

1.618 times your hip to hip waist measurement (assuming you are low body fat) is your ideal shoulders for those that care.

Who is going to be the first to post a data sheet on how Fibonacci helps game? When that happens RooshV will officially be the most broad based game resource there is.

Make money trading the markets by day. Use the same principles to game chicks at night.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:51 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 11:19 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

1.618 times your hip to hip waist measurement (assuming you are low body fat) is your ideal shoulders for those that care.

Who is going to be the first to post a data sheet on how Fibonacci helps game? When that happens RooshV will officially be the most broad based game resource there is.

Make money trading the markets by day. Use the same principles to game chicks at night.

From Roissy's "16 Commandments of Poon"

V. Adhere to the golden ratio
Give your woman 2/3 (0.618) of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

These posts are just hilarious.

It takes a couple of hours to get your ideal ratios.

But instead people would rather say "he looks small to me" or he looks "fat to me". Lolz at them.

Just put me in front of any group of people at least one will say "you look great".

Easier to make excuses than realize your metrics are fucked. Much harder to look in the mirror and realize you are several inches away on multiple body parts to your ideal.

Can anyone here recommend a cheap, folding flat/exercise bench that I could stow in my small apartment?

So half my shoulder width is the size of penis length? Am I getting this right?

What's interesting to me is how shoulder width can affect your punching.

If you zero shoulder width, and rotated your body to swing a punch, the only weight that would go into the punch would be from you fist.

If you have wide shoulders and you rotate your body into a punch, you are putting you entire arm and chest into the punch, making it more massive.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Yeah, I did a post a while back on the "golden ratio" between the waist and shoulders. Forget the exact ratio.

Guys bench when they should be doing more later raises and other shoulder building exercies.

And lots of back work (hammer strength back machine is the best) to pull your shoulders back and give you a good posture.

Been bulking which means my stomach is wider. My ratio is off and the looks for girls have dropped noticeably.

When dieting down, I can tell when I've hit the right weight. The looks just start coming more and more frequently until they hit a critical mass.

Just like me are into the waist-hip ratio, so are women into the shoulder-waist ratio.

Sorta blows away all that dorky bullshit that, "Women are not visual creatures."

They definitely are visual, but I think they have a different set attributes in a mate than what we are looking for.

You are right about fashion. I actually feel kind of naked without a good jacket on. This is one of the reasons I'm trying to build up a little.

I think a lot of rockers where biker jackets because it immediately makes you look tougher.

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:36 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Spend a lot of time on this:

Which of the 4 handles do you grip ? Or do you alternate all 4?

What do you think about rowing one arm at a time to get maximum ROM?

Why this over a barbell row?

Go wide since most guys are weakest there.

Your palms should be facing down. So don't do all the way wide where the handles have your hands in a semi-supinated position.

Because its easier on the joints and is better at getting a maximum contraction.

Do it. You will see.

Quote: (04-18-2013 01:46 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:36 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2013 12:26 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Spend a lot of time on this:

Which of the 4 handles do you grip ? Or do you alternate all 4?

What do you think about rowing one arm at a time to get maximum ROM?

Why this over a barbell row?

Go wide since most guys are weakest there.

Your palms should be facing down. So don't do all the way wide where the handles have your hands in a semi-supinated position.

Because its easier on the joints and is better at getting a maximum contraction.

Do it. You will see.

Word. Get it big and rip it up.

My formula for wide shoulders starts with my warmup. I don't pick up a weight til I do at least 3 rounds of pull-ups and dips.

I start my first round of pull-ups real wide palms facing out. 2nd rd I do palms facing in Chin ups close grip. 3rd round close grip palms facing out with works traps nice. All my pull-ups are dead hang and I always touch my chest to the bar. This engages all muscles and will give you that nice v shape. (Broad shoulders skinny waist)

When I lift I do clean and press and sumo high pulls will get your traps nice. Any exercise where you are picking something up from the floor and pressing it will get your traps nice.

http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/05...teral.html

Try the partial overhead squat.