Quote: (02-27-2013 05:56 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Guys with the intellectual capability to learn Russian out of Russia are not allowed by the society to do so.

Could you please elaborate on that?

Many suspect you learned Russian to pick up chicks for which you spent a considerable amount of resources and time instead of investing on your career.Russian is not a respectable language like German, French or Swedish unfortunately.
However I am a great fan of slavic languages, they are the sounds of our good neighbours.

Quote: (02-27-2013 05:56 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

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Better to learn polish for which noone is bothered except the Germans.

would speaking Polish allow us to pick up women in Kiev? Lviv ?

In Lviv it can.Western Ukrainian women often understand polish.There are also polish girls vaccating in Ukraine.
Generally learning polish is a very dirty and unfair for the other guys thing to do.Russian O.K. everyone understands why,but polish? You have to be a bit of perv or just a sly Balkan to do so since 80% of young Poles apparently speak English.

Quote: (02-27-2013 06:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Many suspect you learned Russian to pick up chicks for which you spent a considerable amount of resources and time instead of investing on your career.Russian is not a respectable language like German, French or Swedish unfortunately.

That is exactly me. I'm on the 7th week of a college course and can now read and write, in cursive as well. However, that doesn't mean I understand it. Got some basic vocabulary and conversation down, and grammar though hard is coming to me.

But yes, that's me. I'm spending considerable resource and time on this language to just pick up chicks. So let's see what happens.

after hitting both poland and ukraine, there was definitely an uptick in beauty in the latter. but my question is, how much of this is due to improved makeup abilities? Polish women seemed to have that more "natural beauty", but ukrainians girls are "hotter", and quite a bit of it seems how they present themselves. there's definitely a difference in looks, but it seems like ukrainians are ultra-concerned with makeup, heels, dress, etc. It kind of warps your perception of them.


@roosh, how did russian go? what was your learning curve like?

Ukrainians are naturally beautiful no doubt. It just so happens that the girls in general also take great of themselves. Russia and Ukraine produce the most top models out of any country so they clearly have a genetic advantage over the rest of europe.

I humbly disagree.Ukrainian girls are not superior to polish on average.The opposite is true.Also more polish girls are likely to be top proportionally. Many Ukrainian girls are hit by malnutrition which compensates for the benefits of slightly slimmer silhouette compared to polish.
Russian women on the other hand are a different category on their own and they have die hard admirers.

Polish girls are not famous for their beauty. I can walk for hours in any city in Poland and only spot a fraction of the talent you can see on a daily basis in Kiev.

Quote: (02-28-2013 11:49 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I humbly disagree.Ukrainian girls are not superior to polish on average.The opposite is true.Also more polish girls are likely to be top proportionally. Many Ukrainian girls are hit by malnutrition which compensates for the benefits of slightly slimmer silhouette compared to polish.
Russian women on the other hand are a different category on their own and they have die hard admirers.

I think you are right and wrong.

You're definitely right about malnutrition, the Ukrainian girls don't eat much, and when they do it's not quality food, and little quality meat. They don't eat many fruit and vegetables either.

But regardless I feel they are far superior to Polish girls, although the top tier in Poland can be very very hot, maybe as hot as girls in Kiev, but in Poland you can walk around for a whole day and not spot an 8

It's easy to spot which girls are from affluent families in Ukraine, the difference in skin quality is startling

I don't know how many of you have had the opportunity to see masses of polish,Ukrainian and Russian women close to each other to compare directly.Having seen them in bikinis there is no substantial difference in appearance and if there is it is always in favour of western slavic girls (if there are Czech among them they always look superior).

I would imagine that in a Slavic bikini competition the results would be as follows(although I have never experienced them all in one place)

Gold = Russia
Silver = Czech
Bronze = Ukrainian
Wooden Spoon = Poland

In this case I trust more the erection meter.

I was in Kiev from Feb 13-20. Ironically I met Roosh by pure accident at Vodka Bar on a Sunday (this place is 80% working girls). I came by after my date with the regular girl. I speed dated about 10 regular girls in 7 days and went on 2 nights dates with 2 different sets of girls. All these girls are ones I had been talking to on the internet for 2-4 months before coming. I did not try much on the day approaches. My best experience was bringing in a girl from a smaller town who stayed with me for 3 days. It was 3 days of awesome get to know you sex but language was still a issue. After she left I soon realized the regular normal girls with regular jobs will take more time then I had. For example most of the girls would never come up to my apartment on the first date and on the second date the most I could get was a make out session. Not sure if my Game is up to snuff or the Kiev English speaking girls are smart enough not to give up to easily for a foreigner in the city for a short time. Clubs like D'Lux, Shooters, etc have as many as 20%-50% hookers depending on the club and given night and it's not always to tell who is working girl. You cannot underestimate the impact of sex tourism especially if your visible minority. Student bars or regular places like Art 44, Caribbean Club, etc are better options but still expect the lack of Russian to be problem but you can get by in Kiev. You really need to work on proper contacts before coming and plan to stay 3-4 weeks at least for some decent. Also do check out New Bombay Palace for some decent Indian food since most of the food there sucks.

I think 80% pros at Vodka bar is an exaggeration, I have regular success at that Vodka Bar when in Kiev, the competition isn't fierce. I have had most success just standing at the bar their and talking to girls when I get the chance. Whereas the Turks get themselves a table, try to get girls to drink with them, but often fail and it ends up just a depressed looking bunch of Turk guys sitting together wondering where their grand Ukraine plan went wrong.

It's depressing how much hype that bar, amongst others get's on this forum. If it was the only place to go out I would never step foot in that city again.

Quote: (02-27-2013 06:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Russian is not a respectable language like German, French or Swedish unfortunately.

Not a respectable language? Dostoeysvky, Tolstoy, Vasilij Grossman, Turgaev, Pushkin. Is probably the greatest language humans ever invented.

Yeah well the Ukrainian nightlife sucks on so many different levels. But at the same time I had a couple of ONS from the place and it reminded me of the west, everything went swimmingly; I met a couple of girls, I plied them with Vodka, got them drunk, then I took them back to my apartment, and I fucked them silly - the way it should be. But it's not always like that.

I don't have much experience of Kiev nightlife, perhaps there are some better places, such as clubs away from Kreschetik with reasonable prices where students like to go, the ratios are better, and there are no pervy Turks. If I found somewhere like that I don't think i'd tell anyone

Quote: (03-01-2013 09:00 AM)rishboy77 Wrote:  

I was in Kiev from Feb 13-20. Ironically I met Roosh by pure accident at Vodka Bar on a Sunday (this place is 80% working girls). I came by after my date with the regular girl. I speed dated about 10 regular girls in 7 days and went on 2 nights dates with 2 different sets of girls. All these girls are ones I had been talking to on the internet for 2-4 months before coming. I did not try much on the day approaches. My best experience was bringing in a girl from a smaller town who stayed with me for 3 days. It was 3 days of awesome get to know you sex but language was still a issue. After she left I soon realized the regular normal girls with regular jobs will take more time then I had. For example most of the girls would never come up to my apartment on the first date and on the second date the most I could get was a make out session. Not sure if my Game is up to snuff or the Kiev English speaking girls are smart enough not to give up to easily for a foreigner in the city for a short time. Clubs like D'Lux, Shooters, etc have as many as 20%-50% hookers depending on the club and given night and it's not always to tell who is working girl. You cannot underestimate the impact of sex tourism especially if your visible minority. Student bars or regular places like Art 44, Caribbean Club, etc are better options but still expect the lack of Russian to be problem but you can get by in Kiev. You really need to work on proper contacts before coming and plan to stay 3-4 weeks at least for some decent. Also do check out New Bombay Palace for some decent Indian food since most of the food there sucks.

Quote: (03-01-2013 05:34 PM)Alexander Wrote:  

I think 80% pros at Vodka bar is an exaggeration, I have regular success at that Vodka Bar when in Kiev, the competition isn't fierce. I have had most success just standing at the bar their and talking to girls when I get the chance. Whereas the Turks get themselves a table, try to get girls to drink with them, but often fail and it ends up just a depressed looking bunch of Turk guys sitting together wondering where their grand Ukraine plan went wrong.

Quote: (03-01-2013 05:51 PM)gadabout Wrote:  

It's depressing how much hype that bar, amongst others get's on this forum. If it was the only place to go out I would never step foot in that city again.

Everyone will have different experiences. I absolutely loved Shooters - 2 of my 3 bangs on my trip came from there. It was endless options though the door is very hard to get through on a completely arbitrary basis.

Vodka Bar was enjoyable. I have no idea how an 80% figure was reached. I brought back several girls from there, only fucked 1 but had another sleep over and had random shenanigans with another. Like Alexander said it was very West like except for the language barrier. Stand by bar, talk to girl, order $1 vodka shots, invite them back to the apartment.

I really think the 6-7 range can be had with average effort there. Though I'm only going off a 10 day trip. To bust through to the 8s and higher I imagine it's a lot tougher.

I've spent almost 2 weeks in Scandinavia (Iceland excluded) and got nothing, and it's supposed to be easy there. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt since the individual's looks, style and demeanor factor more than you think. There is no universal pussy paradise.

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Quote: (02-27-2013 06:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Russian is not a respectable language like German, French or Swedish unfortunately.

Not a respectable language? Dostoeysvky, Tolstoy, Vasilij Grossman, Turgaev, Pushkin. Is probably the greatest language humans ever invented.

true, but all those writers you mention were before the rise of the USSR -except Grossman, who is obviously "the exception which proves the rule"-- and even he was born in 1905 and educated under the Czar. but you catch my drift ...

Quote: (02-27-2013 06:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Russian is not a respectable language like German, French or Swedish unfortunately.

Why would anyone learn Swedish? It's a lovely language, phonetically speaking, but most Swedes speak fluent English. Besides, if one knows German, learning Swedish will corrupt one's knowledge of German.

Mathematics PhD students still learn French, German, and / or Russian for a reason. Go to a major research university in the U.S., visit its library, and you will find shelves and shelves full of Soviet scientific journals written in Russian. Applied Mathematics, Pure Mathematics, Physics, Atomic Weapons, Rocket Propulsion... all were advanced significantly by Russian scientists. Maybe Russian is not a "respectable" language, but some of the gems of 20th Century Science & Technology were first written in Russian, by Russians. Anyone interested in reading the original versions of such seminal articles will have to learn Russian.

Amusingly, Eduard Limonov hates the Russian language:

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I am the best Russian writer, but I am forced to confess that I hate Russian language. Russian words are painfully long, they remind me of naked slimy worms. You know, those pink awful creatures that you can see on some hot summer night on path you walk. Worms get out of soil to copulate under the moonlight. Russian words are copulating on my table every day and night. I am looking at them with hate and I am screaming. I am gnashing my teeth. Why should put "icheskaya" to the end of "social" in "Social Republic?" Seven letters I am adding for what fuck? Fucking "icheskaya!" Hysterical, hystericheskii laugh goes out of me when I am imaging those fucking Urgo-Finns in their shadowy forests. They move in slow motion, they take their time. Why wasn't I born in a clear lucid language dealing in "Achtung!" and "Shnell?" And when I think that Russians are only a handful of 142 million readers, it's really depressing for a writer.

^^^here in the USA the Soviet era put a stigma on all things Russian

I enjoy all slavic languages since they represent a parallel universe where at least one thing is right:The women.
Russian has a lot of vocals and sounds like a river while polish,Czech sound more syncopated.When I listen to the sexy pronunciation of polish girls,wet BJs come as subtitles even when watching the news.The same erectional effect can be exercised by Czech language I would call it a Pavlov's dog reflex where the sz, ps, cz sounds are accompanied by hm,ohh etc and a sense of tongue.
Russian language on the other hand has the effect of presenten armas you have to be on top of high energy to experience the marvel it is more a soldier like state in the orders of Red Army Mashas.

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Quote: (02-18-2013 01:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Ukrainian is completely useless.In the western part you can use polish as well which sounds very similar to Ukrainian.Basically all Ukrainians understand Russian.A common occurence in the western part is when you speak Russian and they answer in Ukrainian.
In eastern Ukraine and Crimea on the other hand they always speak Russian and most Ukrainians there cannot even understand Ukrainian.

Funny thing: I'm talking to a Ukrainian girl on VK from Lviv. She's so nationalistic its downright annoying. She keeps talking about how amazing the Ukrainian language is and how it is the second most melodious language in the world.

Her source? A supposed linguistic conference in Paris in 1934 that said Ukrainian was the third most melodious language in the world after french and farsi, haha.

I have spent a lot of time in Lviv and Paris, oddly enough. Ukrainian as it is spoken in Lviv is quite soft and beautiful, very distinct from Russian. You hear it on the streets and in the shops. This is a point of pride. Lviv is definitely the center of Ukrainian nationalism. I counsel you to not openly speak Russian there.

In Lviv, Ukrainian seems like a language of culture and prestige. Elsewhere in Ukraine it struck me more as a village language, something you spoke with your grandmother in the village.