Quote: (02-23-2013 01:08 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  

Quote: (02-23-2013 12:29 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  

This is dangerous! What if you end up liking the girl and get into a fwb situation? Over time lies will always come out. Also, people know each other more often than many people assume and past lies can catch up with you when you tell new ones. You do not want to be called out in public one day or have a reputation following you... Nothing turns girls off more than a shifty pretender.

Haha. I've had FWB's for *years* and have stuck with lies without them suspecting anything.

Here's the thing - the more the girl is into you, the more value you have in her eyes, the more alpha you are or at least appear to her, the more she'll believe the most implausible fairy tales you tell her.

Those must have been easy to hide or minor lies. How do you cover up a different job/ name/ nationality over months unless you only meet her once in a while. I have learned the hard way to embellish but never to straight up lie. Women love to google and otherwise "research" you.

We would all prefer to have real accomplishments to display rather than fake ones to talk about.

There are some accomplishments that work best when displayed. Talk is not always an equal substitute.

I'm working lifestyle. Lifestyle is an entirely different sexual strategy. It's not only about talk and bearing.

If you have to outright lie to get into a girl's pants, then you're not playing the game right.

Letting girls do all the thinking and making your status up in their head is what it's about. Here's one thing I do:

"So what do you do for work?"
"I work in an investment bank"
"Oooooh!" - in their head: "MONEY MONEY MONEY"

They think I'm an investment banker. I'm not, I do graphic design but I do work in an investment bank and use that to my advantage to get girls to think I've got money which equals status.

What's the point of me just going "I'm an investment banker"? It's a lie. If you're relying on outright lies to get pussy then you're not developing your game at all and I actually have less respect for anyone that does have to lie. That's not game or pick up, it's exactly what it says on the tin.

Lie enough, and you get into the trap of the old clandestine service guy.

Q: "Aren't you afraid that you might run into someone who remembers you in a covert role?"
A: "I can always remember who they were. What I can't always remember is who I was."

It's easier not to answer questions; they're usually shit tests and qualifications only (to her, even slightly wrong answers are reasons to drop interest), or just timekillers of poor conversationalists. Hearing them is a queue for you to initiate a thread of real interest. Ideally, the conversation runs like this:

Q: "Where do you work (or go to school, or live, or whatever)?
A: "..." <silence with strong eye contact while mentally counting slowly 1..2..3..4>
A: "So, enough about me. Now, tell me about you/your blah blah ... <enter some interesting attribute about her plus your question, two or more sentences, to provoke an answer from her that will take her a while>."

The most interesting man in the room is the one who nods affirmatively and knowingly as she rattles on and on and on about her.

Here's something that's not a lie - you're only as good as your last bang.

Quote: (02-23-2013 01:46 PM)MattC Wrote:  

If you have to outright lie to get into a girl's pants, then you're not playing the game right.

Letting girls do all the thinking and making your status up in their head is what it's about. Here's one thing I do:

"So what do you do for work?"
"I work in an investment bank"
"Oooooh!" - in their head: "MONEY MONEY MONEY"

They think I'm an investment banker. I'm not, I do graphic design but I do work in an investment bank and use that to my advantage to get girls to think I've got money which equals status.

What's the point of me just going "I'm an investment banker"? It's a lie. If you're relying on outright lies to get pussy then you're not developing your game at all and I actually have less respect for anyone that does have to lie. That's not game or pick up, it's exactly what it says on the tin.

Why does it matter if you actually have a tenuous connection to actually being an I-banker?

If it works, who cares?

Quote: (02-23-2013 09:14 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Here's something that's not a lie - you're only as good as your last bang.

What do you mean?

No matter how many girls you've a banged, how many approaches you've done, how many hot streaks you've been through - you're still only as good as your last bang.

Quote: (02-22-2013 05:38 AM)soup Wrote:  

That's it. Accomplishments can be lied about.

Just lie to girls constantly and you will get laid a lot more.

True, to a certain extent.....girls are attracted to liars...

But if you lie, you always be living in fantasy not reality.

If you lie you are not the real mccoy, your just a poser...

Its like a dude who has blackbelt, but never fought...he will always have that insecurity and wonder if he is real...

True confidence comes from reality. True confidence comes from real experience and overcoming obstacles...

Posers will never be as good at the orignal or the real deal...

Girls will eventually figure out the lie, its just a matter of time...and hell have no fury, when a women is scorn...

I think its better is if you overly exxagerate your real accomplishments instead of lying outright in my opinion.

Quote: (02-23-2013 10:39 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Posers will never be as good at the orignal or the real deal...

Girls will eventually figure out the lie, its just a matter of time...and hell have no fury, when a women is scorn...

Well, that's what they say about narcissists. That at first they are more attractive than the non-narcissists, but after their mask is seen through then they are less attractive.

For guys who prefer the pump and dump lifestyle, it's good sexual strategy to fashion themselves as a narcissist. This is what Roissy advocates - willful narcissism.

But for guys who prefer to sustain relationships its a stupid idea. Reality based reality has advantages over narcissistic self inflation. Strangely, the narcissists don't seem to be able to notice the differences between reality and pleasant fantasy, and eagerly downplay any real world advantages to real world advantages.

I started using "I'm a hair model" as my what-do-you-do response, thinking it was a smug non-answer. To my constant bewilderment, every other girl thinks I'm being dead serious and then proceeds to light up and lead the conversation with questions on hair products, etc. hahahah, jesus. Male hair model? Does that even exist?

There's also different kinds of lying.

There's lying where she really doesn't know the truth. There's also playful lying where she's know you aren't telling the truth.

Also, it's not about lying for her sake. I think some guys might have fun just making shit up to toy with girls. The act of lying might have some inner-game effect where it gets you into a more playful mood- it might help you to loosen up.

And it's not just about pumping yourself up to her with DHVs. There are guys who are making a lot of money who wouldn't want the girls to know because the girl might to see him as a long term investment and not putout.

Actually, the guys that girls get really turned on for probably aren't the guys who throwing their money around so everyone can see. It's the guys who seem like they are rich or famous but are trying to hide it and come off as normal. It's the male model who dresses himself down and gets a bad haircut just to fit in more because he's getting too much interest from girls.

Hot girls know what that's like, and they might think "finally someone that can relate to my situation- someone on my level."

Quote: (02-24-2013 08:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

There's also different kinds of lying.

There's lying where she really doesn't know the truth. There's also playful lying where she's know you aren't telling the truth.

Also, it's not about lying for her sake. I think some guys might have fun just making shit up to toy with girls. The act of lying might have some inner-game effect where it gets you into a more playful mood- it might help you to loosen up.

And it's not just about pumping yourself up to her with DHVs. There are guys who are making a lot of money who wouldn't want the girls to know because the girl might to see him as a long term investment and not putout.

Actually, the guys that girls get really turned on for probably aren't the guys who throwing their money around so everyone can see. It's the guys who seem like they are rich or famous but are trying to hide it and come off as normal. It's the male model who dresses himself down and gets a bad haircut just to fit in more because he's getting too much interest from girls.

Hot girls know what that's like, and they might think "finally someone that can relate to my situation- someone on my level."

See, this I agree with. Your earlier example of a guy going round telling girls his dad is a millionaire and he's going to get a lot of money when he dies is what I don't agree with, assuming it's a lie.

Lying to play yourself down is completely different to lying to big yourself up.

If I paid money to go on a bootcamp and the guys told me to make lies up like that to get girls attracted to me then I'd be questioning the worth of that advice and that person's game.

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:19 AM)MattC Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 08:37 AM)soup Wrote:  

There's also different kinds of lying.

There's lying where she really doesn't know the truth. There's also playful lying where she's know you aren't telling the truth.

Also, it's not about lying for her sake. I think some guys might have fun just making shit up to toy with girls. The act of lying might have some inner-game effect where it gets you into a more playful mood- it might help you to loosen up.

And it's not just about pumping yourself up to her with DHVs. There are guys who are making a lot of money who wouldn't want the girls to know because the girl might to see him as a long term investment and not putout.


Hot girls know what that's like, and they might think "finally someone that can relate to my situation- someone on my level."

See, this I agree with. Your earlier example of a guy going round telling girls his dad is a millionaire and he's going to get a lot of money when he dies is what I don't agree with, assuming it's a lie.

Lying to play yourself down is completely different to lying to big yourself up.

If I paid money to go on a bootcamp and the guys told me to make lies up like that to get girls attracted to me then I'd be questioning the worth of that advice and that person's game.

It works for my friend. Again, I don't know if he's actually lying about this stuff. But I have seen him lie.. these are white lies so that people will at least treat him like he's on their level instead of a random ghetto thug. He's not really making shit up to impress.

Telling girls he's a stylist is just a way of, at the very least, letting her know that he knows what a stylist is.. something most people who aren't in the fashion world probably don't know about let alone a guy from the ghetto.

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:25 AM)soup Wrote:  

Actually, the guys that girls get really turned on for probably aren't the guys who throwing their money around so everyone can see. It's the guys who seem like they are rich or famous but are trying to hide it and come off as normal.

Years ago I met a hedge fund manager. He made a few millions per month, and took some 30% of it for himself and his team (performance fee). He looked quite young, and he dressed like a college kid. He never told girls what his real job was, because he wanted to weed out the gold-digging whores. It was very amusing to watch him trying to come up with fake jobs to not-impress the ladies. He also had not-so-mild sociopathic traits, serious anger-management issues, and was a beta at heart. But, boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

Lying game, not my thing. I bullshit girls all the time though, but never to make an impression.

I can see it taking a lot of practice to become proficient at this; mainly being super congruent with your lies. Why not just put the same effort into game fundamentals?

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:37 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:25 AM)soup Wrote:  

Actually, the guys that girls get really turned on for probably aren't the guys who throwing their money around so everyone can see. It's the guys who seem like they are rich or famous but are trying to hide it and come off as normal.

Years ago I met a hedge fund manager. He made a few millions per month, and took some 30% of it for himself and his team (performance fee). He looked quite young, and he dressed like a college kid. He never told girls what his real job was, because he wanted to weed out the gold-digging whores. It was very amusing to watch him trying to come up with fake jobs to not-impress the ladies. He also had not-so-mild sociopathic traits, serious anger-management issues, and was a beta at heart. But, boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

By "cruel" do you mean he had sick game?

Quote: (02-24-2013 10:34 AM)soup Wrote:  

By "cruel" do you mean he had sick game?

Not really. Remember that scene in American Psycho in which Patrick Bateman talks to the black homeless guy? The hedge fund manager I met was like that, but he never actually stabbed anyone to death (as far as I know). He just enjoyed demolishing people who did upset him. It was fun for him. Extremely anti-social.

Guy with good game, who is a good liar, and has a personality that is consistent with his lies = a good salesmen = can get pussy by lying.

Guy with bad game and is a bad liar, and has a personality that is inconsistent with his lies = bad salesmen = can not get much pussy from lying.

Good looking liars always have an advantage.

I have told outrages lies to girls, sometimes they believed them, sometimes they didn't. Sometimes we started dating. The hard part is living the lie, having to continue the lie, having to lie to cover the earlier lie. It can become a nightmare.

It's easier to tell the truth. Or, maybe just exaggerated a little bit. Flat out lying can lead to problems in the future. Creative use of the truth might be a better option.

That being said, if you are on vacation or something and you know you will never see the girl again, I have no problem lying.

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Quote: (02-24-2013 09:37 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

Can you give us any examples of his "cruelness"???

Did he physically hurt people or just psychologically abuse them?

Quote: (02-24-2013 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:37 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

Can you give us any examples of his "cruelness"???

Did he physically hurt people or just psychologically abuse them?

He was abusive by nature. He was a trader, after all. Always looking for weaknesses to be exploited.

For example, if you were discussing something technical or philosophical with him, and he sensed that you had made an unsubstantiated assertion (like uttering a meaningless bromide), he would focus on that and start deconstructing your argument until you were forced to surrender and apologize. For him, it was jolly good fun, mere intellectual sparring. No hard feelings.

He was a child prodigy, an extremely intelligent guy (even by MIT standards). He liked smart people. If you were smart and humble, he would not attack you. But if you were stupid and too boastful, then he would reveal his dark side: he would give you enough rope, then hang you with it (metaphorically speaking). He enjoyed crushing blowhards and idiots (like in that bar scene in "Good Will Hunting"). He once made a silly saleswoman cry in front of everyone. He demolished her completely, it was hard to watch.

Interestingly, he was a beta at heart. He was not interested in casual sex at all, and just wanted to find a pretty and intelligent girl with whom to have genetically superior children. So, a rich guy with daddy dreams, and he still got nowhere with women. His standards were too high, and most women were just stupid animals to him. He was living Idiocracy. That is the curse of the gifted, I guess.

Quote: (02-24-2013 02:30 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:37 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

Can you give us any examples of his "cruelness"???

Did he physically hurt people or just psychologically abuse them?

He was abusive by nature. He was a trader, after all. Always looking for weaknesses to be exploited.

For example, if you were discussing something technical or philosophical with him, and he sensed that you had made an unsubstantiated assertion (like uttering a meaningless bromide), he would focus on that and start deconstructing your argument until you were forced to surrender and apologize. For him, it was jolly good fun, mere intellectual sparring. No hard feelings.

He was a child prodigy, an extremely intelligent guy (even by MIT standards). He liked smart people. If you were smart and humble, he would not attack you. But if you were stupid and too boastful, then he would reveal his dark side: he would give you enough rope, then hang you with it (metaphorically speaking). He enjoyed crushing blowhards and idiots (like in that bar scene in "Good Will Hunting"). He once made a silly saleswoman cry in front of everyone. He demolished her completely, it was hard to watch.

Interestingly, he was a beta at heart. He was not interested in casual sex at all, and just wanted to find a pretty and intelligent girl with whom to have genetically superior children. So, a rich guy with daddy dreams, and he still got nowhere with women. His standards were too high, and most women were just stupid animals to him. He was living Idiocracy. That is the curse of the gifted, I guess.

Thanks for the explanation.

Quote: (02-24-2013 02:30 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 01:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (02-24-2013 09:37 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

boy, could he be cruel when he wanted to...

Can you give us any examples of his "cruelness"???

Did he physically hurt people or just psychologically abuse them?

He was abusive by nature. He was a trader, after all. Always looking for weaknesses to be exploited.

For example, if you were discussing something technical or philosophical with him, and he sensed that you had made an unsubstantiated assertion (like uttering a meaningless bromide), he would focus on that and start deconstructing your argument until you were forced to surrender and apologize. For him, it was jolly good fun, mere intellectual sparring. No hard feelings.

He was a child prodigy, an extremely intelligent guy (even by MIT standards). He liked smart people. If you were smart and humble, he would not attack you. But if you were stupid and too boastful, then he would reveal his dark side: he would give you enough rope, then hang you with it (metaphorically speaking). He enjoyed crushing blowhards and idiots (like in that bar scene in "Good Will Hunting"). He once made a silly saleswoman cry in front of everyone. He demolished her completely, it was hard to watch.

Interestingly, he was a beta at heart. He was not interested in casual sex at all, and just wanted to find a pretty and intelligent girl with whom to have genetically superior children. So, a rich guy with daddy dreams, and he still got nowhere with women. His standards were too high, and most women were just stupid animals to him. He was living Idiocracy. That is the curse of the gifted, I guess.

I used to feel like that, then I threw away the Daddy dreams and life is a lot better. Accepting women for who they are and not what you want them to be is the only way to live.

Quote: (02-24-2013 02:30 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

and most women were just stupid animals to him.

I wonder how many people this applies to.

WIA

If I think i might want to see a girl in the future I keep the lying to a minimum, just a few thinks to protect my privacy, not to impress them

But if I know its a ONS situation, then i'll sometime lie outrageously just for fun.

I'm thinking right now about what my lies are going to be when I start hitting on Spring Break girls in a couple of weeks