Quote: (12-31-2012 10:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I don't give a f*ck about this, but I think you guys are overcomplicating things.

In the Hip-Hop world, Kim Kardashian is basically the #1 girl.

Everyone MC/Rapper/DJ etc wants her.

If you guys don't understand, think of it like Pamela Anderson back in the day in the Metal world.

Anderson was the #1 girl.

It's about swooping the head cheerleader.

Simple as that.

^^^ This.

Quote: (12-31-2012 06:35 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 05:37 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

They're both rich as all hell & Kanye keeps cranking out hit after hit. Even if he has to pay child support it won't be a big deal. Hell, Lil Wayne has to pay like a million child support checks to chicks in every city and he's still livin' large.

Lil Wayne isn't on child support http://m.necolebitchie.com/2010/04/26/li...-in-ozone/

Remarkable how Lil Wayne has four children from four beautiful black women. No wonder black guys can't find a decent black women, the hypergamy in black America is insane.

I remember in this thread guys were arguing that no legit woman would have children outside of marriage. Go look up pics of Lil Wayne's spouses to see what these "non-legit" women look like.

No one said whites can't have it but they do show this outcome a lot less frequently. Whether this is due to "whiteness" or economic factors I do not know... This holds true in Europe as much as the US and Canada so there have to be some underlying variables that cross cultural lines.

Quote: (12-31-2012 12:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 06:35 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 05:37 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

They're both rich as all hell & Kanye keeps cranking out hit after hit. Even if he has to pay child support it won't be a big deal. Hell, Lil Wayne has to pay like a million child support checks to chicks in every city and he's still livin' large.

Lil Wayne isn't on child support http://m.necolebitchie.com/2010/04/26/li...-in-ozone/

Remarkable how Lil Wayne has four children from four beautiful black women. No wonder black guys can't find a decent black women, the hypergamy in black America is insane.

I remember in this thread guys were arguing that no legit woman would have children outside of marriage. Go look up pics of Lil Wayne's spouses to see what these "non-legit" women look like.

Don't be fooled by the good looks, all of his spouses are essentially birds. Check out these quotes from Lauren London a few year back right before she got with Wayne.Mind you this is an absolute dime piece(with innocent looks to boot),but it really lets you know how fucked up some women are and how they dig themselves into holes that they woefully regret after (hopefully)getting their wits about them later in life.

Quote:Quote:

So you want a man who’s both honest and thug?
An authentic gangsta—that deletes about half the rap game off your list. I love guys who are street. I won’t even give soft guys a chance. Menace II Society is my shit! Caine was like my first crush. Actually, O-Dog was my true dream guy. I was in love with him, from that opening scene where he pops the convenience-store worker. He had me from that gunshot [laughs]. He was ’hood, and I loved that.

   

Kayne lost the previous IT girl in the Rap/Hip Hop circle Amber Rose. So this is no real surprise, maybe he is trying to compete with Wiz Khalifa.

brb getting in the rap game.

Quote: (12-31-2012 01:26 AM)BLarsen Wrote:  

I surely hope that Tom Leykis, who lives in Kanye's neighborhood, has something to say about this.

He does. He posted on Facebook about it.

Quote: (12-31-2012 10:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I don't give a f*ck about this, but I think you guys are overcomplicating things.

In the Hip-Hop world, Kim Kardashian is basically the #1 girl.

Everyone MC/Rapper/DJ etc wants her.

If you guys don't understand, think of it like Pamela Anderson back in the day in the Metal world.

Anderson was the #1 girl.

It's about swooping the head cheerleader.

Simple as that.

He didn't have to impregnate the cum dumpster.

In response to G's comment that Kim K is #1 - you'd think guys who had so much choice would say 'who gives a fuck what other guys think, I'll just go for what turns me on the most.' Yet these guys are more interested in status mongering and social proof.

Quote: (12-31-2012 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 10:32 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 04:40 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Children out of wedlock is quickly becoming the norm. I wonder if someday people will talk about marriage like we do horseback riding?

Nope, especially not among whites and Asians who graduated from four year colleges, bastardy is still uncommon, at around 5-6% of children of that group. I breathe a little easier when raw dogging college educated white girls.

Source: NCHS, http://www.cis.org/illegitimate_nation.html

It is true that whites are behind non-whites, but the trend is unmistakable:



source

The idea that whites can't have out of wedlock births is disproven by the example of Scandinavian countries, as you can see in the graph above. It's gonna take whites a bit longer, but it will come.

With the national media trivalizing out of wedlock births, women will decide to have children whenever they are ready.

And yes, Athlone, I know the religious are outbreeding the non-religious but we are looking at least 3 generations before the religious become the norm again.

In the next 50 years expect to see white out of wedlock birthrates go up dramatically, if they even have any kids at all.

1. You can't extrapolate linear trends forever. The black illegitimacy rate seemed to have stabilized at about 70% ( hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/share-of-births-to-unmarried-mothers-by-race-1990-2010/ ), but it seems to have edged up to 73% as of late ( http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59...titialskip ) The illegitimacy rate for other groups may not have stabilized yet. The white rate is considerably below the black and Hispanic rates, and I'd bet money on it not reaching contemporaneous black or Hispanic rates.

2. In Scandinavia, couples may not be married, but a high proportion of children still live with both parents. The Swedish government says it's 90% of children at birth, 74% of children under 18 ( http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Society/Ch...in-Sweden/ ). In America, that second figure is 69%, and 65 percentage points of that is with married parents - I'm actually surprised it's that high. So marriage with children is 16x more common than cohabitation with children in America, and that ratio is probably even higher if you exclude younger children, and only looked at say, children aged 5-17. While bastardy is mostly synonymous with single parent households in America, it isn't in Scandinavia.

I mostly deal with college educated white girls, so the risk is a lot lower than if say, I were banging hoodrats. Who said math is worthless in real life?

Quote: (12-31-2012 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I had no idea the rate was that high for Hispanics. I always thought blacks had the highest out of wedlock birth rate, but Hispanics have us beat by a pretty large number. So much for the stereotype about Hispanics having conservative family values.

Anyone else amazed how low the rate is in Japan? Only 1% in 1980. Wow. Then you look at some countries that had a TREMENDOUS jump within a generation. Italy, France, Norway, Netherlands, Ireland. I really wonder what is going on in societies like that. I think it's a sign of decay, but where does one put the blame? Are we just becoming more like dogs that just randomly inseminate one another and jump to the next with no thought to social mores?

Quote: (12-31-2012 02:55 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I had no idea the rate was that high for Hispanics. I always thought blacks had the highest out of wedlock birth rate, but Hispanics have us beat by a pretty large number. So much for the stereotype about Hispanics having conservative family values.

Anyone else amazed how low the rate is in Japan? Only 1% in 1980. Wow.

Your initial belief was correct, that diagram is about rates, not percentage born to unmarried parents. The Hispanic illegitimacy rate is 53%, the black rate 73%. Samseau's graph is illustrating that Hispanic women are having babies at a greater rate.

And yeah, the whole 'Hispanic conservative values' is a farce, sort of like gangsters going to church every Sunday.

Quote: (12-31-2012 02:53 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

In response to G's comment that Kim K is #1 - you'd think guys who had so much choice would say 'who gives a fuck what other guys think, I'll just go for what turns me on the most.' Yet these guys are more interested in status mongering and social proof.

I'll never understand how some guys can put showing off to other people above what their dick responds to most. I guess that's the same mentality that guys have when they blow lots of money on a fancy car, they're just really concerned about how other people perceive them.

I don't see the prob. Kim's notch count is probably lower than half the sluts you bang on a regular. At least she is smart and strategic. This difference is that she is famous.

Quote: (12-31-2012 01:19 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

First off, I hate the whole celebrity bastard baby trend. I see no point in intentionally having a kid with a woman you aren't even married to. I'm old school like that. But those issues aside, it might not be be all that bad for Kanye. She has great genes,...

Great genes? You mean great makeup artists. Yes she has a good body, but how much is from her so called great genetics. Don't get me wrong, I'd bang her, but to say great genes,,,,, I would politely have to disagree.

As I read many posts on here on how you can't turn a hoe into a housewife......how can he turn her into a good mother? If those are his intentions at all. Kim k is perfect to party with, sleep with etc. but to start a family with her and have to deal with her mother would be a headache. No matter how cool it would be for the kid to have celebrity parents and money, always the sex tape and both parents' baggage will come to haunt the kid.

Quote: (12-31-2012 02:53 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

In response to G's comment that Kim K is #1 - you'd think guys who had so much choice would say 'who gives a fuck what other guys think, I'll just go for what turns me on the most.' Yet these guys are more interested in status mongering and social proof.

You're giving these dudes way too much credit. Behind all the posturing and "stuntin'" with these dudes is a tremendous amount of insecurity about themselves, their status, and their own masculinity.

This is part of why they promote such exaggerated, dysfunctional caricatures of what it means to be a man (ex: urban gang culture). They have no model for real masculinity, so they make it up, and try to derive new ways of "proving" their manhood.






"Taking yo' bitch" is one way to do that (be sure to let everyone know you banged that other dude's girl via music or social media). Snagging "the bad bitch" is another (you can't just bang her, you gotta talk about it, rap about it, or tape it if you can). "Shinin" is another-gotta have the biggest chains, shiniest/newest cars, flash the most money, roll on the biggest rims, etc, etc (everyone must know you've got it and how much it cost you to get it).


































I could really go on and on about this. I haven't even gotten into the blatant attention whoring that people (men and women) in this culture get on with via social media (twitter, facebook, instagram). I haven't gotten into how this bleeds into the streets via the gang culture. There's an almost neverending stream of insecure fuckery to be explored here.






The whole point is to be seen and to win approval. They've always got to prove themselves-what the everyone else thinks ALWAYS matters. It isn't just about getting yours, its about making sure everyone else knows you got yours.

You would think that men of their status could make their own decisions independently, but that simply isn't possible given the culture and the mindset from which they originate. Status whoring is their god.

Quote: (12-31-2012 03:27 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

Great genes? You mean great makeup artists. Yes she has a good body, but how much is from her so called great genetics. Don't get me wrong, I'd bang her, but to say great genes,,,,, I would politely have to disagree.

As I read many posts on here on how you can't turn a hoe into a housewife......how can he turn her into a good mother? If those are his intentions at all. Kim k is perfect to party with, sleep with etc. but to start a family with her and have to deal with her mother would be a headache. No matter how cool it would be for the kid to have celebrity parents and money, always the sex tape and both parents' baggage will come to haunt the kid.

One of my best friends saw her at the supermarket last year wearing sweats and no makeup. Said she still looked legit. She's better-looking than 95% of 30 something women. You guys saying she isn't hot are crazy.

I'd never want her to mother my kids, but someone was going to do it anyway. There's no shortage of guys out there that would be thrilled to knock her up. Kanye was as good a choice for her as any, especially given her penchant for high status black men.

@Athlone, I agree totally with what you said above. That whole nouveau-riche attitude when a dude from the hood comes into some money. It's sickening. The ostentatious presentation of bling and status. These dudes will end up broke within a decade and have fuck all to show for it. Some cats like Jay Z have been smart about their money and put it toward legitimate business pursuits. Then you have the ones that have to "make it rain" in the club and then tweet the photos.

Quote: (12-31-2012 03:04 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 02:53 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

In response to G's comment that Kim K is #1 - you'd think guys who had so much choice would say 'who gives a fuck what other guys think, I'll just go for what turns me on the most.' Yet these guys are more interested in status mongering and social proof.

I'll never understand how some guys can put showing off to other people above what their dick responds to most. I guess that's the same mentality that guys have when they blow lots of money on a fancy car, they're just really concerned about how other people perceive them.

Because many times perception is reality.

Quote: (12-31-2012 03:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

You would think that men of their status could make their own decisions independently, but that simply isn't possible given the culture and the mindset from which they originate.

This is how it is in almost any culture.

How people perceive you does matter. It matters is social situations, it matters in business, it matters in situations of power.

Unless of course one lives in a vacuum. Or a deserted island.

Quote: (12-31-2012 03:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (12-31-2012 03:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

You would think that men of their status could make their own decisions independently, but that simply isn't possible given the culture and the mindset from which they originate.

This is how it is in almost any culture.

How people perceive you does matter. It matters is social situations, it matters in business, it matters in situations of power.

Unless of course one lives in a vacuum. Or a deserted island.

Sure, we can be vague and play the "everyone does it" card and leave it at that. And we wouldn't be wrong-humans are social creatures, so it is true that "everyone does it" to some extent.

The question is to what extent, and therein will rest the point of my argument. Urban culture isn't unique in its engagement in the behavior I've outlined, but the extent to which and the manner in which it engages is quite extreme. This, in turn, leads to more negative outcomes.

That's the point. The results speak for themselves.

In addition to what Athlone said, the rules vary by scene. If you pulled the stunts those "thugz" did in say, Martha's Vineyard or Napa Valley, you'd be seen as hopelessly gauche, if not deranged. They have status competition, sure, but they operate according to rules that forbid it from being too ostentatious. And even that has diminished as the old money types are receding from view, renouncing their wealth, or as their heirs renounce their understated ways.

In addition, the idea that the 'truly wealthy' or the 'real old money' is understated while it's only the nouveau riche that's loud and ostentatious is questionable. It may have been true historically in Anglo countries, and perhaps Northern Europe. But look beyond that sliver of humanity, and you'll find plenty of old money that doesn't hesitate to embrace opulence and obvious displays of wealth. They had better taste than these thugz no doubt, and were probably less obnoxious and more magnanimous about it. But they weren't all humble English gentry in disguise.

Sadly these fools (rappers) are brainwashing young black boys.

I heard the Cribs episode with 50 cent was fraud, he was posing with all these high end cars which were not his.

Trust me if Kim dropped Kanye tomorrow, there would be enough basketball/football players that would give her a try.

Quote: (12-31-2012 06:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Sadly these fools (rappers) are brainwashing young black boys.

I heard the Cribs episode with 50 cent was fraud, he was posing with all these high end cars which were not his.

Trust me if Kim dropped Kanye tomorrow, there would be enough basketball/football players that would give her a try.

That may be true about 50, but we also know from his business dealings (Vitamin Water) that he's no fool with his money. Instead of wasting his money on shit with no value (cars), he posed with someone elses...HA HA!

Don't be shocked if Kanye and KK marry sometime in the not-too-distant future. Kim wants to be married as much, if not more, than she wanted a kid.

It looks like I am the only one whose first thought was "kill it with fire."

I can't decide what is worse? Being a furry or impregnating Kim Kardashian.

I don't think KK is the #1 girl in hip-hop.

She is #1 in the eyes of brothas who are (in my opinion) a little more "mainstream brainwashed" than others.