Quote: (12-17-2012 03:26 AM)J DOE Wrote:  

I don't necessarily believe guys in my generation are all passive and beta, I think the women have changed. I just got home from a night out, and I'm shocked at how the women in this town behave (Royal Oak, Michigan). At least 3 different girls got in my face (2 of them were literally saying "You're a bitch! Hit me!!!" in response to me explaining that if they were men with their behavior that they would get knocked out) and the rest seem to want you to display an inhuman level of callousness that can only be naturally displayed by a pimp.

My mom and grandma always seem upset when I bring up my opinion of the modern woman, but women of today just don't behave in a reasonable manner. When I was in high school, the biggest player in my class took me aside and gave me this advice, "Most guys fall in love with a bitch, and get all emotional and sentimental with the bitch...remember this J...you have to run a bitch!" When I heard that I remember thinking that it was inhumane and messed up. I remember intuitively understanding that a guy like that would have an extremely hard time getting a girlfriend or settling down, but he gets more girls than anyone else I know.

This red pill shit Roosh talks about is so true, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

Sounds like you were in Mr.B's lol.

It's a chicken-egg thing. Gen Y/Z girls are abrasive because guys of that generation don't keep them in line. But because Gen Y/Z girls are so abrasive, their guys are afraid to approach.
 
Older cats can probably recall a time (pre-Facebook/smartphones) when bars and clubs were more meat markets and less social-circle oriented. Girls had less ego and were more down-to-earth (no non-stop attention/validation via  Facebook/smartphones).
 
Back then you could run Mystery Method-style "most interesting man in the world" game and keep a girl's attention and not have all the girlies she texted earlier show up and cockblock. The post-1990 generation is too ADD for this, and only RSD-style "Super Aggressive Talk-Dance Hybrid Game" game will work.
 
http://www.rooshv.com/two-types-of-night...ican-girls
 
Bars and clubs are more cutthroat and brutal than ever. Girls are more cocksure and abrasive than in any generation past. Younger players need to overcome (1) big social circles and (2) smartphones. Older cats never had to deal with this in their up-and-coming days, and have enough positive reference points from the past to not get affected by rejection. Not true for today's young up-and-coming players.
 
Roosh commented that his weak rookie game netted in a few lays back in 2002, but would get him blown out in 2012.
 
http://www.rooshv.com/is-game-making-wom...rconfident
 
I feel badly for the younger cats coming up today.
 

I'm of this generation, in a similar age bracket to 'Sleek'.

I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of the points made, but I see it as very much a positive on a personal level and a negative with regards society as a whole.

The more disillusioned girls are with this aforementioned behaviour, the easier it is for guys like us to capitalize.

Hate to hate on the younger demographic, but there's truth here. I think many just wait for stuff to fall in their lap, as its always happened for them. Maybe the perils of an affulent/nanny society. I took my gal to New Orleans for the weekend, enjoying music in one of the bars on Frenchman Street...what do I see? Groups of Gen Y/Z guys sitting around texting! Meanwhile, yummy-@ss Eurotourists are sitting around on stools waiting to meet people, backs straight with warm inviting smiles. A situation tailor-made for anyone on this site, yet these dudes were making f---ing Instagrams on I phones! Instagrams! With smiling German 7.5s right there! I couldn't believe it. Disgrace to the U-S-A.

Seriously, I can't totally blame them; overparenting, the nanny state + a bizarre need to conform really did a number on some guys.

I can't blame em. Really they need to have lethal game just to break even. If we make 100 approaches and get 5 bangs, imagine a guy who doesn't approach at all AND doesn't have game?
The younger girls are so annoying. Unless I'm going after a nerdy off-kilter girl who's not as stuck in the facebook mentality, the only thing that works is being vicious. Bringing them down to earth is the only way to get noticed it seems.
I'm in my mid twenties but usually in an environment with 18 year olds, and I feel like I have to be a character, not a person, just to get noticed. Even girls who are five years older fall into my lap by comparison. Somewhere around 2008 I think women stopped being women. And it frustrates me because the only thing they're good for is one thing, the only choice you have is to be an ass, and breaking that shield is going to be the future of game.
Everyone wants to espouse moving to find women not affected by the culture, but it's gonna come, and we've gotta adapt.

Quote: (12-17-2012 04:44 PM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

I can't blame em. Really they need to have lethal game just to break even. If we make 100 approaches and get 5 bangs, imagine a guy who doesn't approach at all AND doesn't have game?
The younger girls are so annoying. Unless I'm going after a nerdy off-kilter girl who's not as stuck in the facebook mentality, the only thing that works is being vicious. Bringing them down to earth is the only way to get noticed it seems.
I'm in my mid twenties but usually in an environment with 18 year olds, and I feel like I have to be a character, not a person, just to get noticed. Even girls who are five years older fall into my lap by comparison. Somewhere around 2008 I think women stopped being women. And it frustrates me because the only thing they're good for is one thing, the only choice you have is to be an ass, and breaking that shield is going to be the future of game.
Everyone wants to espouse moving to find women not affected by the culture, but it's gonna come, and we've gotta adapt.

With the younger girls it helps me to be animated, demanding, playful teasing, and generally a funny cocky kind of guy. The most interesting man in the world game never works for me. The slow monotonous approach of "getting to know someone" ends up nowhere.

When I'm loud and brash I keep them entertained. It's like being a clown and certainly takes more energy for me than MIMITW game.

On a funny note. I like to make faces and be really animated around them and it keeps them smiling and laughing. 4chan/fit has tons of face images that are perfect in fun drunk conversations. Instead of using words to counter a girls question or statement I usually just make a face at them and it works a lot better. Less logic more animation is my key

I agree with SnakeEyes, I think the closer they are to 18 the more animated and aloof baddass you need to keep their attention (and the shorter their attention spans). Also, take a look at this graph:



This explains why being "almost ADD" works when dealing with these kinds of girls (compared to girls over the age of 26). You can get her attention, dish out some damage, and switch between targets rapidly and this strategy has proven itself in the field for me.

Aren't guys born after 1990 like 12?

Yeah, you guys notice the same thing I do. Still it's not natural to have to be johnny bravo on meth to keep someone's attention. why I'm usually anymore gunning for the nerdy/outcast type. My last approach was a homeschooled girl who was taking her first college class.

Also Rio it feels like it. I'm surrounded by 18 year olds in CC, and at 24 I feel more like a teacher than a student.

It takes two to have a conversation. Bishes are so dumb these days you have to really dumb down your game to have a successful approach. Try to think of it as having a conversation with your sister.

I really enjoy the company of intelligent women. I have a friend that's much better looking than me and in much better shape. He's a MMA fighter. Now he has no problem getting girls. But he's tried to snake 3 of my girls behind my back. All three have told me about his blatant offer of sex and asking them to keep it quiet from me. Funny thing though they all turned him down. They all felt guilty and confessed to me. I have them locked down like that. I'm sure it frustrates the hell out of him. That's why I don't bring my girls to parties anymore.

Quote: (12-18-2012 09:37 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It takes two to have a conversation. Bishes are so dumb these days you have to really dumb down your game to have a successful approach. Try to think of it as having a conversation with your sister.

I really enjoy the company of intelligent women. I have a friend that's much better looking than me and in much better shape. He's a MMA fighter. Now he has no problem getting girls. But he's tried to snake 3 of my girls behind my back. All three have told me about his blatant offer of sex and asking them to keep it quiet from me. Funny thing though they all turned him down. They all felt guilty and confessed to me. I have them locked down like that. I'm sure it frustrates the hell out of him. That's why I don't bring my girls to parties anymore.

Sounds like a great "friend".

Are you sure he is a "friend"?

Sounds more like a guy you just know that would sell you down the river if it benefits him.

Quote: (12-18-2012 10:54 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (12-18-2012 09:37 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

It takes two to have a conversation. Bishes are so dumb these days you have to really dumb down your game to have a successful approach. Try to think of it as having a conversation with your sister.

I really enjoy the company of intelligent women. I have a friend that's much better looking than me and in much better shape. He's a MMA fighter. Now he has no problem getting girls. But he's tried to snake 3 of my girls behind my back. All three have told me about his blatant offer of sex and asking them to keep it quiet from me. Funny thing though they all turned him down. They all felt guilty and confessed to me. I have them locked down like that. I'm sure it frustrates the hell out of him. That's why I don't bring my girls to parties anymore.

Sounds like a great "friend".

Are you sure he is a "friend"?

Sounds more like a guy you just know that would sell you down the river if it benefits him.

Yeah, snakes like that need to be cut off like an umbilical cord ASAP. I've learned that the hard way. Funny thing is most guys will do shit like that behind your back.

Quote: (12-18-2012 09:17 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Aren't guys born after 1990 like 12?

Nah, anything below 22 was born in th 90s or later. There is a substantial difference in this generation male and female.

Most guys my age that I know are perfectly content to spend a night out dancing awkwardly in a big circle with the friends they came out with. I have no idea how they can choose to do this over the alternative: talking/dancing/making out/fucking with sexy women. It's like they've been castrated. They're definitely missing out!

The problem I see in my city is that women are brainwashed by the whole equality thing, in turn the younger guys have grown up in this "modern" society. I always maintain that a woman has to respect you or be afraid of you, I guess those were the good ole days when men use to give women backhands for stepping out of line.

I made all the same mistakes until I was in my Mid-20's. Some will grow out of it, but most won't, so we'll have winners and losers just like we've always had.

It's the long hair. Cut your damn hair Gen Y boys. I always see guys with stupid ass hair like this. Combine the long hair with a soft voice, beer or just fat belly, captain save a hoe tendencies and I don't see how the hell they can pull more than 1 girl a year.



Is there any way I can go back to my senior year like that Adam Sandler movie?

I know this problem, because I was one of those emasculated males.

Then, I found Roissy and Roosh in late 2010, and everything changed at the age of 18. Before that, I was an ultra beta to my long distance girlfriend. Since then, I've been relatively happy hunting poosy.

There's one problem with the kids these days: The wait till the next milestone problem.

They're in high school? "It's much easier to get girls in college"

They're in college? "I can't wait till I'm 21 and I can go to bars"

They're old? "I can't wait until I get a good job and get a bunch of money, it'll make getting girls so much easier"




By that time, they're 35 and have lived a life of misery and unhappiness as they were always waiting.

It's the lifestyle.. low exercise, shitty food, little sunlight, fucked up sleeping patterns, too long hot shower, insufficient competition, physical hardship, long term goals, healthy fatty foods.. list goes on and on.

I'm a 1990 kid and I'm bitching like an old man already...

Quote: (12-19-2012 11:38 PM)houston Wrote:  

It's the long hair. Cut your damn hair Gen Y boys. I always see guys with stupid ass hair like this. Combine the long hair with a soft voice, beer or just fat belly, captain save a hoe tendencies and I don't see how the hell they can pull more than 1 girl a year.

Ironically, a lot of girls here seem to dig that look here.

Chicks always tell me I look better with longer (not that long^) hair, but I feel more masculine and confident with a buzzcut which in turns leads to me getting more because of the change in attitude.

Gen Z guy here, born in late 1990.

Approaches are downright scary. Not only that, but other guys fucking hate when you "intrude" on their women. You make one mistake, like a joke that was taken the wrong way, those whiteknights will jump into the fray and "defend" her.

Then there's the whole thing with facebook/twitter/instagram. Even this girl I sorta know, a 6 at best, is getting 28 likes every time she changes her profile picture from guys. One of these guys is my college roommate, and he likes to think he has game. Sorta frustrating to listen to after you've been here.

That said, I'm not sure whether to try or not. I've been making improvements to my life, but the competition is intense. The amount of game to beat out fratbros is ridiculously high, something I have no hope of achieving. For now, avoiding anti-game is all I can do.

Quote: (12-16-2012 07:38 AM)assman Wrote:  

One thing I've noticed with some guys in their early 20s, particularly the hipster types, is they won't look you in the eye. Normally as you are walking in opposite direction to someone, and passing each other, you'll make eye contact when you're close. I find these young hipster dudes will avert their gaze inside of 10 yards or so. Very passive and beta.

It's more like contempt.

I want to kill most of them on sight. Sometimes I'll just look at them and say "pantywaste" or "pathetic" then look and wait for a reaction which rarely happens. They know. I told one the other day that my father would beat me relentless if I looked like him.

I can't stand the laziness the oozes out of them.

Quote: (12-26-2012 12:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I want to kill most of them on sight. Sometimes I'll just look at them and say "pantywaste" or "pathetic" then look and wait for a reaction which rarely happens. They know. I told one the other day that my father would beat me relentless if I looked like him.

I can't stand the laziness the oozes out of them.

When you said "Pantywaste" and "Pathetic" they probably thought you were talking about two indy bands they had never heard of or something.

Quote: (12-26-2012 09:45 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Quote: (12-16-2012 07:38 AM)assman Wrote:  

One thing I've noticed with some guys in their early 20s, particularly the hipster types, is they won't look you in the eye. Normally as you are walking in opposite direction to someone, and passing each other, you'll make eye contact when you're close. I find these young hipster dudes will avert their gaze inside of 10 yards or so. Very passive and beta.

It's more like contempt.

Do you mean hipsters or young guys in general?

Quote: (12-26-2012 08:01 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (12-26-2012 12:46 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I want to kill most of them on sight. Sometimes I'll just look at them and say "pantywaste" or "pathetic" then look and wait for a reaction which rarely happens. They know. I told one the other day that my father would beat me relentless if I looked like him.

I can't stand the laziness the oozes out of them.

When you said "Pantywaste" and "Pathetic" they probably thought you were talking about two indy bands they had never heard of or something.