Quote: (10-12-2012 03:35 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (10-11-2012 05:39 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I definitely feel that women are more hypergamous than ever and going to continue in the future, they feel every right to date as many guys as they want, or "upgrade" to someone new if they are dating a guy seriously. They all want to date the guy who is 6 ft. 4 in, athletic, handsome, successful, etc., some how they all feel entitled to this, due to having a pussy.

There seems to be some consternation on here about the fact that women want to get the best guys they can. I don't understand why. We all, as men,want the hottest women out there and learn game in order to overcome certain inadequacies such as lack of fame or wealth or looks etc. If a man who is a 6 bangs a 9 we say "awesome work!" but when a woman has the same desire to bang a man who is an athlete or handsome or more successful to her some people act outraged. What do you expect,women to get wet at the idea of banging ugly dudes or unsuccessful failures?!

I feel sorry for the Americans on here because judging by a lot of the embittered posts on here your women must be fucking awful. I mean, really fucking awful.

Sure you have a point, women have every right to hook up with anyone they want and understandably can be picky, I wasn't trying to come off as some whiny loser who complains about women. My point is that we're at a point in a lot of places in the U.S. right now where there aren't an abundance of hot women, which makes less attractive women more desirable than they should be (6-7), and makes competition that much more stiff. It becomes a situation where a lot of guys I feel are dating down, or at least having to put a shit ton of effort into getting girls that aren't even that great (6-7s).

Quote: (10-12-2012 03:23 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

This is why I want to get into fighting. Iam going to be training, travelling the world and chances are have more interesting tales than most of the other men in the room. Also the confidence that comes from just knowing you could kick every other guys ass in the room cant be underestimated.

Anyone remember in school if you were hanging about with kids with a year or 2 below who you didnt consider a threat in the slightest. How did you feel and how did you act?

Anyone remember in school if you were hanging about with kids with a year or 2 above you, who could have easily kicked your ass. How did you feel and how did you act?

Not sure how this relates to game?

Hmm...

There is both opportunity and challenge in the future. Prudence requires you be prepared for both.

I spent my early twenties wasting time and money and being a lazy fuck. I am atoning for both with more self-discipline. This means little or no pussy short-term (I've gotten tired of my regular squeeze, would rather jerk off), but I've implemented useful tools.

I don't expect to really start to do well for another three years, but then I'll have 28 and onwards to go nuts in without killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

Quote: (10-12-2012 04:02 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

@ xsplat, how often are you getting laid and what are you considering girls that are way out of your league? If most guys lived with that mindset they'd get no where.

I personally believe standards are earned. I also believe they are fluid. If i'am banging 7s and 8s i'am gonna feel pretty shitty if i decide i'll try bang that low 6. See why that is, I have become used to the idea of banging higher quality girls.

Howerver if you go through a dry spell your standards adapt or you fall deeper into scarcity, your behaviour no matter how hard you try to fake it will reek of desperation. I dont care how good your game is, if your not getting laid reguraly it's going to effect your results. Hence why we have terms like good runs and dry spells. Read roosh's "dead bat in paraguay" to see how this an effect your results. Mind you his stomach parasites didnt half help him out either.

I've been dating a girl for two years now, living with her for 1.5. Before she moved in I was living with another girl for 4 months, but my 2nd won the don't go insane contest. There is a pic of my live in on my blog. Before those two live ins (and a handful of brief fucks) I had another for a year, but she died. Before her I was with another live in for 2.5 years. Before her a string of girls, before that another very hot live in for a year, before that I kept a rotation of 2 or 4 girls for two years. So the focus has not been on quantity.

Sometimes I'll date as low as a 6, sometimes above 8. I'm a 3. The girls range in age from 19 to 26. My best number was a 10 who talked with me about marriage, but that only lasted 6 weeks and then she went off to marry her United States passport holder fiance. (I'm Canadian.). But if I like the girl and the boner test is passed, I can work with it. A dry spell can make me more desparate, but I rarely approach unless my motor gets revved way up, enough to overcome any inhibitions. That happens easier during a dry spell. So the overall effect is that the extra motivation overcomes any over-eagerness in terms of brining results. I can't think of anything else until I get them.

I haven't read that book of Roosh's yet, but I don't have to read a book to learn about how attitude affects results. I'm on the wrong end of mid forties and have been single since mid twenties. I haven't been jerking off all these years. Dating happens, and it's been happening before this scene.

I've been through plenty of cycles of boom and bust, so even long dry spells don't totally dry up my charm. One on one I'm not nervous - even if I haven't been laid in too long. If the girl is hot enough for me, my dick will get hard and I'll feel charming. I've done it all before, and I'll do it all again.

But what for a guy like me is aiming way out of my league won't be such a stretch for normal guys. I'm 5'8" with strikingly below average looks. It's very difficult to put on weight, so I have to take my shirt off before my above average fitness is noticable - otherwise I could even look a bit scrawny. Balding. In any bar or night club I'll be the ugliest guy there, 95% of the time. And often the oldest. I aim for 19-26 year olds, and prefer 19. Most guys would call my current an 8 or so. Another live in would routinely win the sexiest girl in Cebu at the weekly sunflower dance contest. I get hate stares from matron when I go out, and guys (other westerners) at the discos high five me and make crying gestures and hold their hearts when they can't get my girl.

Ya, I've had dry spells, although the last was about 8 years ago, and wasn't all that dry. I'm still hypergamous as hell and ridiculously unrealistic. Because like you say, once you've had it, there is really no turning back.

@OGNorCal707

If you look back at what game started, all that complex ross jeffries nlp routines, game over time has got more and more simple.What was the one trait being alpha was, if you look at the wild or our beginnings as cavemen? He can kick everyone else's ass. Sure we dont live in times like that, we have laws, we are civilized and those so much factors involved perhaps it would be totally irrelevent.

I do think though if you took your average shy beta, majorly lacking in confidence, and you got him into mma, muay thai, boxing or any other combative sport and you actually got him fighting and pushing himself further out of his comfort zone than he'd ever been before it'll do him a considerable amount of good.

I guess there's many other safer ways of getting someone's confidence up. I probably sound like a retarded meathead. But i've just watched spartacus and all i want to do now is be a warrior.

Quote: (10-12-2012 04:35 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

@OGNorCal707

If you look back at what game started, all that complex ross jeffries nlp routines, game over time has got more and more simple.What was the one trait being alpha was, if you look at the wild or our beginnings as cavemen? He can kick everyone else's ass. Sure we dont live in times like that, we have laws, we are civilized and those so much factors involved perhaps it would be totally irrelevent.

I do think though if you took your average shy beta, majorly lacking in confidence, and you got him into mma, muay thai, boxing or any other combative sport and you actually got him fighting and pushing himself further out of his comfort zone than he'd ever been before it'll do him a considerable amount of good.

I guess there's many other safer ways of getting someone's confidence up. I probably sound like a retarded meathead. But i've just watched spartacus and all i want to do now is be a warrior.

I'm taking a less effective and less dangerous road to gaining the same attitude. Partly at the encouragement of the many other gaming boxers in the sphere. Got a few heavy bags, a speedbag, and a double ended bag. Those won't cause any neurological damage, but they still affect the cardio and stamina capable muscles, and build co-ordination in a way that is simulating fighting.

I don't need to be reminded that it's just pretend. But at least it's a good kind of pretend.

They say that alphas walk with their elbows out. I've never been able to fake that walk. But after a heavy session on the heavy bag, I'll have a swagger that comes from the inside, and my elbows will be out. I feel like I've earned that walk.

Quote: (10-12-2012 04:47 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

They say that alphas walk with their elbows out. I've never been able to fake that walk. But after a heavy session on the heavy bag, I'll have a swagger that comes from the inside, and my elbows will be out. I feel like I've earned that walk.

The swagger due to having big/swole lats from training. A heavy bag session will give you a similar sort of thing from the pump I guess.

Those guys who fake it look silly. The kids are calling it invisible Lat syndrome or something:

Quote: (10-12-2012 05:13 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-12-2012 04:47 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

They say that alphas walk with their elbows out. I've never been able to fake that walk. But after a heavy session on the heavy bag, I'll have a swagger that comes from the inside, and my elbows will be out. I feel like I've earned that walk.

The swagger due to having big/swole lats from training. A heavy bag session will give you a similar sort of thing from the pump I guess.

Those guys who fake it look silly. The kids are calling it invisible Lat syndrome or something:

Over two months of heavy deadlifts and now my elbows are further out. Taking up more physical presence without making any effort.

Powerful lats are very important. I hope lots of guys here do heavy compounds, I know Roosh recommends Stronglifts. I personally follow a higher volume program (a modified version of Korte 3x3), but that's because I'm 22 and have good recovery times, and enough time in the evenings for it.

Weightlifting is great, you learn to do it for yourself, and to have an attitude of beating your personal best, which is applicable in so many areas of life.

Quote: (10-12-2012 12:33 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

Getting into weightlifting seems to be the easiest way of getting an edge over other guys. Id say the only thing that could potentially do you more good was getting into a combative sport as well. Chances are your training will get you an attractive build but not only that your confidence about being able to kick every other guys ass isnt going to be faked.

Anyone know of any dudes that are fucking awesome fighters yet at the same time are real friendly dudes? Chances are you respect them, everyone generally likes them and i'd imagine the majority of these guys arn't having a hard time getting pussy.

Georges st pierre would be an excellant example of one of these guys. I imagine the amount of pussy he's getting is off the charts. Iam not just talking about super star mma fighters here Iam sure you guys can think of plenty examples of guys you know from your real lives that fit that identity.

Actually not plenty, that combination is rare as fuck which is probably why guys like that kill it.

I think this is interesting in light of the three upper-middle class roommates of mine I profiled earlier in the thread.

It seems like moving up in life -- how you do it is relative to where you start.

These guys have serious, nice-house, big benz, second vacation home and international travel money, as well as send-the-kids-to private school money on the way from education and family; and getting in fights is completely not on their horizon and needn't be.

But if you're coming from a working class background and you don't have the academics and skills and connections to get where they're going, this emphasis on the physical makes perfect sense. They might still do better if they lifted weights, but they will win their chicks over a guy that sounds like Sly Stallone every time . I know because I see the chicks that come over here and fuck them.

It is really hard to get out of your socio-economic class, class is very real in America, but we all deny it. "I'm just doing OK" is what all the rich people say.

Yeah my lats are friggin enormous. I buy T-shirts here and it's like nobody in Europe has ever heard of the latissimus dorsi. I've seriously ripped out at least two different sets of armpits. Once you can walk like your back is jacked to shit girls can spot it a mile off. I'm pretty hammered so don't take my word for it.

Will American girls be just as slutty in 20 or 30 years? I don't really think it will ever be to bad if you're a decent looking guy that knows how to talk to girls. The main thing that currently bothers me is fat girls. I could work around the attitudes and other bullshit if the girls were as thin as they were in our parent's and grandparent's time. Fuck, this shit is depressing. It shouldn't be like this

What do the older guys think everything will be like in the future? Y'all lived through the 70's, 80's and 90's. I just don't see how it can get much worse.

Quote: (10-12-2012 05:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (10-12-2012 12:33 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  

Getting into weightlifting seems to be the easiest way of getting an edge over other guys. Id say the only thing that could potentially do you more good was getting into a combative sport as well. Chances are your training will get you an attractive build but not only that your confidence about being able to kick every other guys ass isnt going to be faked.

Anyone know of any dudes that are fucking awesome fighters yet at the same time are real friendly dudes? Chances are you respect them, everyone generally likes them and i'd imagine the majority of these guys arn't having a hard time getting pussy.

Georges st pierre would be an excellant example of one of these guys. I imagine the amount of pussy he's getting is off the charts. Iam not just talking about super star mma fighters here Iam sure you guys can think of plenty examples of guys you know from your real lives that fit that identity.

Actually not plenty, that combination is rare as fuck which is probably why guys like that kill it.

I think this is interesting in light of the three upper-middle class roommates of mine I profiled earlier in the thread.

It seems like moving up in life -- how you do it is relative to where you start.

These guys have serious, nice-house, big benz, second vacation home and international travel money, as well as send-the-kids-to private school money on the way from education and family; and getting in fights is completely not on their horizon and needn't be.

But if you're coming from a working class background and you don't have the academics and skills and connections to get where they're going, this emphasis on the physical makes perfect sense. They might still do better if they lifted weights, but they will win their chicks over a guy that sounds like Sly Stallone every time . I know because I see the chicks that come over here and fuck them.

It is really hard to get out of your socio-economic class, class is very real in America, but we all deny it. "I'm just doing OK" is what all the rich people say.

Am i the only one getting some smug, condenscending prickishness from this post? There are a LOT of ways to skin the cat, and I've known my share of rich kids that have done martial arts to round out their Renaissance Man resume'. These used to be known as "The Accomplishments of a Gentleman" - A man was expected to be able write a poem, have elegant manners, or fight a duel of honor with skill and courage depending on his needs. There is nothing low class about being able to defend yourself or your loved ones.

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.” - Robert A. Heinlein.

Quote: (10-13-2012 07:37 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Am i the only one getting some smug, condenscending prickishness from this post?

I think I can claim guilt on all those counts, but the point I was trying to make isn't contradicted by your assertion.

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm sort of a prick, which would be pretty true, or saying I'm uptight and snobby, in which case "prickishness" should have been spelled "priggishness."

The upper classes can learn MMA etc and it sounds like a good idea to me, but that doesn't mean their working class dojo partners can come over the mansion and game their Ivy League girls.

As someone who was once asked to leave a swanky beach club because I was obviously not a preppy guy, I've seen it all happen, like, in real life!

"Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility; I chose honest arrogance and have seen no occasion to change,"

--Frank Lloyd Wright

Quote: (10-14-2012 05:04 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (10-13-2012 07:37 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Am i the only one getting some smug, condenscending prickishness from this post?

I think I can claim guilt on all those counts, but the point I was trying to make isn't contradicted by your assertion.

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm sort of a prick, which would be pretty true, or saying I'm uptight and snobby, in which case "prickishness" should have been spelled "priggishness."

The upper classes can learn MMA etc and it sounds like a good idea to me, but that doesn't mean their working class dojo partners can come over the mansion and game their Ivy League girls.

As someone who was once asked to leave a swanky beach club because I was obviously not a preppy guy, I've seen it all happen, like, in real life!

"Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility; I chose honest arrogance and have seen no occasion to change,"

--Frank Lloyd Wright

Thanks for handling my own prickishness so well, and keeping the conversation at a thoughtful and articulate level.

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:57 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Quote: (10-14-2012 05:04 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Quote: (10-13-2012 07:37 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

Am i the only one getting some smug, condenscending prickishness from this post?

I think I can claim guilt on all those counts, but the point I was trying to make isn't contradicted by your assertion.

I'm not sure if you're saying I'm sort of a prick, which would be pretty true, or saying I'm uptight and snobby, in which case "prickishness" should have been spelled "priggishness."

The upper classes can learn MMA etc and it sounds like a good idea to me, but that doesn't mean their working class dojo partners can come over the mansion and game their Ivy League girls.

As someone who was once asked to leave a swanky beach club because I was obviously not a preppy guy, I've seen it all happen, like, in real life!

"Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility; I chose honest arrogance and have seen no occasion to change,"

--Frank Lloyd Wright

Thanks for handling my own prickishness so well, and keeping the conversation at a thoughtful and articulate level.

Hah, that's his profession man. You[ve got handled by a pro

Quote: (10-12-2012 04:32 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

Sometimes I'll date as low as a 6, sometimes above 8. I'm a 3. The girls range in age from 19 to 26. My best number was a 10 who talked with me about marriage, but that only lasted 6 weeks and then she went off to marry her United States passport holder fiance. (I'm Canadian.)... But what for a guy like me is aiming way out of my league won't be such a stretch for normal guys. I'm 5'8" with strikingly below average looks. It's very difficult to put on weight, so I have to take my shirt off before my above average fitness is noticable - otherwise I could even look a bit scrawny. Balding. In any bar or night club I'll be the ugliest guy there, 95% of the time. And often the oldest. I aim for 19-26 year olds, and prefer 19. Most guys would call my current an 8 or so. Another live in would routinely win the sexiest girl in Cebu at the weekly sunflower dance contest.

So if you are as ugly and older as you claim, how is it that you pull these young 7s and 8s without paying for them? What do they get for being with you that they can't easily get from a younger Neil S. backpacker type, or from a more handsome older gent.?

And how long have you've been in the Philippines?

I didnt realise he was talking about the phillipines. I believe everything he says.

Quote: (10-14-2012 12:47 PM)Gaston Wrote:  

So if you are as ugly and older as you claim, how is it that you pull these young 7s and 8s without paying for them? What do they get for being with you that they can't easily get from a younger Neil S. backpacker type, or from a more handsome older gent.?

And how long have you've been in the Philippines?

I'm in Indonesia. Have also lived in the Phils and Thailand.

You have to remember that my competition is not just the locals. It's also other westerners. But it's easier if I go to places where there are few other westerners.

I'm of the opinion that psychological and sexual mastery over women is real, and I aim to have and use it. For details, I've dedicated many of the 550 posts on my blog about it.

Quote: (10-12-2012 03:35 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (10-11-2012 05:39 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I definitely feel that women are more hypergamous than ever and going to continue in the future, they feel every right to date as many guys as they want, or "upgrade" to someone new if they are dating a guy seriously. They all want to date the guy who is 6 ft. 4 in, athletic, handsome, successful, etc., some how they all feel entitled to this, due to having a pussy.

There seems to be some consternation on here about the fact that women want to get the best guys they can. I don't understand why. We all, as men,want the hottest women out there and learn game in order to overcome certain inadequacies such as lack of fame or wealth or looks etc. If a man who is a 6 bangs a 9 we say "awesome work!" but when a woman has the same desire to bang a man who is an athlete or handsome or more successful to her some people act outraged. What do you expect,women to get wet at the idea of banging ugly dudes or unsuccessful failures?!

not sure if srs

when men learn game they are making themselves more attractive and worthy of the improved quality of women they aspire to. women on the other hand engage in no self-improving behaviours and often end up wasting their prime years on the cock carousel and go waaaah once they've been flung off it.

the everyday non-player does not entertain such delusions and is happy to dutifully settle down with a comparable match. he will fap to the hottie he sees on tv or youporn but he never for a second forgets that he is not meant for her.

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:17 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

women on the other hand engage in no self-improving behaviours and often end up wasting their prime years on the cock carousel and go waaaah once they've been flung off it.

I hear this premise often, and I question it. Is it the reality that women frequently mis-time their settling as the wall approaches?

Or is it more true that they are keenly aware of their timing, and usually get the timing correct to the minute?

Men often talk about women fucking around as if they were dealing coke, got caught out, and are now wasting their years in jail. When the reality is that they sold a little marijuana, and never got caught, and get married or are doing fine being single.

This deeply seated emotional need we have for retribution is clouding perception. Ya, women aren't marrying young anymore, and ya, they divorce. But this is not evidence that they are doing it wrong, it's evidence that they place greater value on the years in their youth then the do on the years in their old age.

Men often have the same attitude. "I'd rather burn out, then fade away". We can be quite conscious about it.

The point of life is not to see who is happiest at age ninety. Maybe it's who is happiest at age 25! This cult of the future, of way-long future time orientation is fine, if that's your thing.

But clearly it's NOT women's thing.

The are doing what they actually want to do, and placing value on exactly what is important to them.

I know it's very frustrating that women don't share our values, and wouldn't the world be full of righteous karma if it were only full of righteous karma. But there is very little of this cosmic retribution that you speak of. Women are born knowing exactly how to play the marketplace - even as the marketplace dramatically changes. They've got it down. And when the occasional girl realizes too late that her previous opportunities have faded, that's no signal that given the chance to do it all over again she'd do it any differently. The value of immediate rewards during high fertility years greatly outweigh other considerations. As you would expect biology to insistently tell her. Five minutes of alpha is not an error of judgment.

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:17 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

when men learn game they are making themselves more attractive and worthy of the improved quality of women they aspire to.

Are you talking also about LTRs? A lot of men have experienced fucking girls who are already betrothed, who then go on to marry their fiances. The fiance seems to the girl to be a better long term prospect, even when he is gameless.

Game is a portion of what makes a man attractive for LTRs.

Quote: (10-12-2012 02:16 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You want p*ssy. You gotta go out and get it!

The righteous, simple truth. +1

It made me think of the question-- "Am I making it easier for her to fuck me than NOT to fuck me?"

The truthful answer is always no.

Quote: (10-14-2012 12:47 PM)Gaston Wrote:  

Hah, that's his profession man. You[ve got handled by a pro

No, that's not it really. I'm just trying to stand up for myself a little bit while keeping the shared goal in sight-- getting along with women better for more sex and intimacy.

I'm really just not a fighter, it takes all kinds.

One of the great things my mom told me, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

Not to compare anyone here to these guys, but
I've worked in prisons with hundreds of really bad people, and even they respond to being treated well 98% of the time. Guys/people who are chronically demonic and predatory are actually really rare and even other criminals are disgusted by them.

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:46 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

"Am I making it easier for her to fuck me than NOT to fuck me?"

Would you explain this a little bit.. I think I know what you mean but I'd like to hear your examples. Thanks

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:58 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Guys/people who are chronically demonic and predatory are actually really rare and even other criminals are disgusted by them.

This is a good insight, that doesn't seem to be intuitive to everyone.

A lot of people think it's a fear of God or retribution or a history of proper upbringing or strong social supports that keeps people behaving well towards each other.

But the fact is we are born with the innate predisposition to feel good being nice to each other and having others be nice to us. Our empathy is biologically hard coded in our mirror-neurons.

Sociophaths number about 1 in 100. Enough that we need to be aware of them, but not enough that it should alter our default theory of mind. People are naturally nice, by default. Especially when dealing with their in-group. To get someone to be nice to you all you usually have to do is to convince them that you belong to their in group. Maybe by liking the same sports team.

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote: (10-14-2012 11:46 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

"Am I making it easier for her to fuck me than NOT to fuck me?"

Would you explain this a little bit.. I think I know what you mean but I'd like to hear your examples. Thanks

But first, I opened two chicks ( hired guns who weren't waiting on me) at Starbucks yesterday; but none today-- so I admit all this is too theoretical!

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I was thinking about your post where you said "you have to work" or something like that. Then I thought of all the stuff one can do to make it easier for a woman to be intimate with you.

It comes from when I used to design computer interfaces for people who were not highly educated. You couldn't just say "There's 32 steps to ring something up, learn them." because these people just weren't smart enough.

You HAD to make it the easy way.

This was the key item of wisdom with computer interfaces as well as any other office or bureaucratic procedure.

IF YOU MAKE THE RIGHT WAY THE EASY WAY, PEOPLE WILL DO IT RIGHT.

IF you make the right way hard, they'll always resist.

I realized this applies to all the steps of seducing a woman-- I think Athlone outlined them in more detail than I understand in the "It Just Happened...[ that I had a million things in place for her comfort]" post he did.

But to oversimplify, women need (1) Appearance of Social Status and a feeling of social comfortableness. (2) Wanton sex (3) Safety from Death/Injury and (4) material comfort

You can help her maintain a "green" light on her continuous checking system which dries up her snatch when too many of those are absent by:

1) Talking to her first makes things much easier for her than waiting for her to talk to you which will take about until the sun burns out.
2) Using tone of voice, body language, grooming, clothes, vocabulary, eye contact, and posture in your one-to-one interaction with her. Convince of Big 3 : Safe, Interesting, Attractive.
3) Arranging things so her complicity is not obvious, the famous hamster deniability decoy. YOu can signal that better things are coming if you want in a subtle way.
4) Calibrate for surroundings, for instance today I was in a Starbucks with tons of horny Asian chicks. They can't have an older guy whispering in their ear in front of the other chicks but they might like it IMMEDIATELY when I get her outside.
5) Following number 4, I've been told card counters ( math aware organized gamblers) vary their bets in a way that is markedly different from regular gamblers. A good seducer must employ the same benevolent calculation in "varying his bets."

By this I mean analogically-- Inside the Starbucks when she's worried about her image, you bet low-- speak formally, don't mention sensuality, whatever your strategy is. As Roosh describes it, don't scare the cat.

But when you've got to an optimal isolation setting you've got to RAPIDLY escalate your bet. Someone described a sophisticated model of low kino before the first night bang rush, but that is precise psy-ops beyond the scope of this essay.

The point is you make it easy for her to keep her dignity in the Starbucks while chatting her up and starting to turn her on. Then you make it easy to have the nasty, vulgar sex she thinks about when she's alone.

At each point you're making it easy relative to what she needs.
At some points making it easy to stay engaged with you requires challenging her. It's easier to be with a man who is strong and can assert his opinions.

I anticipate some people describing this as servile, but it really works the opposite:

The Alpha she wants won't be nervous and attract embarrassing attention in Starbucks/whereever. He'll be confident and talk to her like she already knows him. When she wants to be tied up and abused, well, you can explain later if that feels like being servile when you do it to her.

She isn't going to feel guilty about sexuality if she realizes you are into it also. So making it easy is different here... it might be letting her know you like horny girls.

I read a lot of girls are masturbating several times a week now, and more importantly admitting it in surveys. So she's thinking about her depraved sex life... make it easy to have a better one

People will always take the easiest path, and you can provide it if you understand/can sense what they are looking for at that particular moment.

i agree this ^^^ is huge. this is the social intuition/empathy at its finest. the phrase "At each point you're making it easy relative to what she needs" explains it best.

like in IKE's example of Starbucks when she's worried about her image.. on verbal level it's smarter to open with "hi, i haven't seen you for ages" with friendly smile and be innocent physically then isolate to one on one and express what's up for real than for example to start with "hey you're hot come here" right away.

i call it art of trobleshooting for a reason.