In general in Greece in clubs there are lots of posers guys who stand still with drinks in their hands flashing their muscles or expensive clothes.The whole thing is meant to make you feel like an idiot if you dare to approach.You have to think twice if you got the right clothes and the right appearance muscle power to compete.Also if you have the right car parked outside.Also girls responses are rather stereotypical since everything is staged.There is no spontaneity.However if one gets exercised in this difficult environment abroad will seem much easier.(lack of posers,stuck up girls,sterotypical judgement,House power etc).
In province where I was recently the level of kitsch is unbelievable.Guys with blouses with decoltes to show their hairy chest and a very gypsy appearance attitude with golden chains etc.The girls also showing off in provincial mode.(vulgar).Again in western Europe it is much different.

Mentioned this in another thread but it's worth repeating here.

I went to a big nightclub this past weekend and the place was loaded with huge sets of girls. This proved difficult for pickup as all the girls roamed in packs, and I had one sole wingman. A lot of the girls here have a "girls night out" mentality.

Logistically, this place is only accessible by car and since this is a college town, most girls come in cabs or cars filled with 4+ girls, so this place tends to attract more "big sets" rather than the ideal "2 sets". Many girls come here with their friends to dance and attention whore, not necessarily hook up, so it's a bad place for pick up.

I am thinking of hitting another venue now that is more logistically ideal for pick up.

This made me realize that irrespective of your game, venue selection is key.

I know guys who pull 1 in 2 to 1 in 3 times they go out. Mind you they hit up a bar well known for sloppy easy lays.

- It's a dive bar with cheap drinks. Lots of drunk girls.

- It's adjacent to a party school with a 2 to 1 female to male ratio.

- It's small. This keeps out the attention whores who go out in large groups to take pics for Facebook and dance in circles as these types gravitate towards the mega-clubs. Lots of 2 and 3 sets.

- It's got a great setup. There's a quieter area to run verbal game and a dance floor to escalate physically.

- It's within walking distance to the "student ghetto" of dorms and houses where the college kids reside, so logistics are ideal.

- It's in a college town. Unlike in major cities, there isn't a huge cohort of thirsty professional cats to compete with. Most of the older 25+ cats are married or in serious LTRs.

All these factors make it a goldmine for players looking to score with horny young college girls looking for cock.

How important of a factor is venue selection in scoping for DTF girls and racking up lays?

Quote: (07-29-2012 06:50 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2012 03:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

if it's the club to go to it's not the club to go to.

Lol, very well stated. There's always that certain breed of dude who's going, "YO GUYS! We gotta go here, it's poppin' man!!" Probably most guys who go out are like that. If you're dumb enough to roll with this dude, it's packed to the gills with people and macking is impossible. Guys love getting laid, but it's like they can't man up and admit it, and change their behavior accordingly. It always makes me feel weird - "Am I totally fucking missing something? Does no one else realize it's harder to get laid when the club is 'poppin?' In reality, nightlife is best at 40-70% capacity.

I've always thought that in any seduction, success requires value and scarcity, together. She needs to feel like you are a cool dude, and that you are her best option at that moment and there isn't much else. In a crowded club where there are scads of attractive men literally an arm's length away, men are disposable. You can't make her feel that your cool dick is a scarce commodity, at that moment. You may be the coolest dude she's talked to all month, but she can tell you to fuck off and be talking to another cool dude within minutes, in the club. If you think otherwise, you're deluding yourself. Guys here may talk about nexting girls, but unless you're a celebrity, you'll never be nexting girls the way a cute girl in a club can next guys.

And girls don't compare guys in a logical way - say a chick met three dudes, A and B at the club on the same night, and C at a coffee shop. Maybe A was cooler than B, and B was cooler than C. C is a little lame. But dude B is going to come out looking the worst, because he was clearly beaten by another dude at the same time. If C can manage a date and a bang before A does, he might edge out A completely. Unless she's fat, girls don't like to settle for #2.

Also, this is why girls say stupid shit like "you'll never meet your husband at a bar." She would, but she'd ignore him for some guy who's hotter and cooler, who's willing to fuck her but not marry her. The guy who would be her husband is just not cool enough to get her in a bar, on a cold approach. And the guy who is can get a hotter girl.

Holy shit. This is wisdom from King Solomon right heah.

I am older than you and I still have teenage girls hitting on me. If you take care of yourself you can pull 20 somethings without much problem...especially outside of the US.

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Guys I'm 33.. pulling girls 10+ years younger on college nights.. while solo. Just suck it up and put the time into it. Unless you got dates lined up on Friday and Saturday nights, go and put in that work.

Related: http://www.rooshv.com/7-signs-you-should...ach-a-girl

Quote: (07-30-2012 06:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Even the loudest club in the world has a quiet spot where you can pull. Wear earplus.

Thats true in the USA. In a few countries it's standard to have the volume blasting everywhere in clubs, there is no escape.

thatś why I do mostly daygame.... : (Sargad is right on this)

Ten more reasons for switching to daygame

1. keeps you mentally sharp - improves conversation skill without going deaf
2. no waste of money (2nd date - 5$ glass of wine)
3. better quality of girls - less flakes (overally) - easier to sort out the good from the mediocre/bad
4. I can get up to to work next day
5. can be done anywhere
6. fantastic ratio (M/F): just you and her
7. more variation in terms of places
8. I save my ears and some other alcohol-sensitive organs
9. Living far from a club? Just take the street!
10. Girls will more quickly engage in "deeper" conversations if you put out the right bait

You forgot one biggy:

In the daylight you can really see what they look like

Quote: (08-03-2012 03:21 AM)michelin Wrote:  

thatś why I do mostly daygame.... : (Sargad is right on this)

Ten more reasons for switching to daygame

1. keeps you mentally sharp - improves conversation skill without going deaf
2. no waste of money (2nd date - 5$ glass of wine)
3. better quality of girls - less flakes (overally) - easier to sort out the good from the mediocre/bad
4. I can get up to to work next day
5. can be done anywhere
6. fantastic ratio (M/F): just you and her
7. more variation in terms of places
8. I save my ears and some other alcohol-sensitive organs
9. Living far from a club? Just take the street!
10. Girls will more quickly engage in "deeper" conversations if you put out the right bait

In America, a lot of girls' egos are so inflated, that they will only open their legs for someone who seems famous. It's pre-selection taken to an extreme. Even a tiny bit of the fame vibe can have great potency, and, in some situations, will put you way ahead of the competition.

It really is a world lacking in subtlety.

Good news is, there are many ways to appear famous.

i'd add 12th point. having a hot hot girl who looks like that for real walking alone during the day is like god's gift opportunity for a single guy who can talk to her. it's almost too sweet. it bypasses the whole society dogma (you can meet someone only at work/school/clubs) and put you in different league asap as long as you do it RIGHT.

Quote: (08-03-2012 03:55 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

You forgot one biggy:

In the daylight you can really see what they look like

Quote: (08-03-2012 03:21 AM)michelin Wrote:  

thatś why I do mostly daygame.... : (Sargad is right on this)

Ten more reasons for switching to daygame

1. keeps you mentally sharp - improves conversation skill without going deaf
2. no waste of money (2nd date - 5$ glass of wine)
3. better quality of girls - less flakes (overally) - easier to sort out the good from the mediocre/bad
4. I can get up to to work next day
5. can be done anywhere
6. fantastic ratio (M/F): just you and her
7. more variation in terms of places
8. I save my ears and some other alcohol-sensitive organs
9. Living far from a club? Just take the street!
10. Girls will more quickly engage in "deeper" conversations if you put out the right bait

You' re right on this, although it's implied in number 3: "better quality of girls"

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Quote: (07-30-2012 08:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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yeah club game is one big fucking mess

Yeah, it's like a slot machine for sex. When you get good at it, out comes occasional "jackpots" that just suck you in further.

That's it exactly -when you know a club is going to be full of bangable girls- it creates a sort of mirage of being a "poosy paradise" every night although you know rationally that you will only pull every now and then. That's why despite the downsides i still go to a club or two almost every week.

And as Roosh said, the key is knowing how to screen the girls first by observation then by talking and only spending time on the most likely ones

Quote: (07-29-2012 03:19 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Its not that your getting older the clubs are just getting more and more shitty.

Ive been bar hopping for 10 years now. Started when I was 16 with a Fake ID.

Its the people and the clubs whom cater to those folks that are fucked up. Back in the day the ego culture of phones, booths, vips were not mainstream. Back then bars just wanted to pack a place full as as many people and get them to buy drinks. Before cell culure and smoking bans evreybody went to the bar to hang out and actually be social.

Three things killed clubs forever:

*Smoking bans

*Booth service/VIPs
-Letting nobodies feel special for a steep price. I am cool with real VIPs or people whom are connected getting special treatment but giving nobody's access to this shit is a wrong move and helped breed crazy egos.

*The youth credit boom of the mid-2000's(2003-2007)
-I am surprised people don't study this era and how it completely fucked up our generation. We all got debt and people especially women started buying high-end shit, Dudes were dropping 200$ on kicks every week,girls were buying bags and expensive clothes, etc.

Everybody was "balling" on a budget with the credit cards and bars took advantage; changing the format to suck money out of less people. Also with this, sleazy promoters got their hands on loans and opened up a crazy amount of bars. It was during this time Toronto famously had a "clubland" with nearly 300 bars that served 120K people per weekend. All the bars started loosing money since there were too many and almost all of them closed down except for maybe 50.

Smartphones
-no explanation needed. I remember girls having to write my number on their arm in lipstick. Not everybody had phones then as crazy as it sounds.

In the USA, most Clubs are a total waste of time for guys who don't want to blow a lot of money.
1. Can't get in unless you are famous or dressed right
2. Cost a lot to get in
3. Drinks cost a lot
4. Private booths
5. Too loud to talk
6. Most girls just Posers
7. Spoiled Girls

Most clubs are a waste of time and money. There are few that are not, but they are the exception to the rule.

I almost never go to clubs and I live 10 min from south beach. The talent and atmosphere at hotel lounges just trumps clubs. I did go to mansion recently BC a colleague i'm starting a company with was interviewing the resident DJ. Didn't drop a dime, was raging in the DJ booth the whole night free bottles. Still with all that social value, and being suited down couldn't pull. Granted I made out with countless chicks including two at the same time, none would levee their

I almost never go to clubs and I live 10 min from south beach. The talent and atmosphere at hotel lounges just trumps clubs. I did go to mansion recently BC a colleague i'm starting a company with was interviewing the resident DJ. Didn't drop a dime, was raging in the DJ booth the whole night free bottles. Still with all that social value, and being suited down couldn't pull. Granted I made out with countless chicks including two at the same time, none would leave their friends. They just wanted to attention whore and be seen as high value

If I'm gonna go clubbing, there are two categories. This is based on my experience in L.A., I've never been clubbing anywhere else.

1) Clubs to have fun in

2) Clubs to be exposed to a plethora of fucking hot girls

In category 1, there are clubs like King King and Avalon. These are clubs that attract well known or talented DJs, where the crowd goes to have a blast and dance their ass off. Obviously it's much easier to let loose, give off a fun party vibe, and pull girls. I've had much greater success at clubs like these. They tend to have worse ratios though.

In category 2, there are clubs like Hyde Lounge, Drai's, or Greystone Manor. These are clubs where there is hot ass everywhere, there's shitty top 40 blaring, tight door, asshole bouncers, superficial crowd, and expensive drinks.

I'll do category 1 happily, anytime.

I'll do category 2 if, and ONLY if I have a hookup, which I sometimes do in the restaurant industry. With the right hookup I can get complimentary bottle service. Sorry to say, this is pretty requisite these days. Gotta get the bottle to lure the bitches in and then game and your appearance will take care of the rest. Chances are I might not even dance at these clubs, just hang around, drink, find a drunk bitch, get her more drunk, and game her and try to get her out of the club. Even with a hookup, somehow I'll wind up spending at least a hundred bucks here and there, with cabs, extra drinks, tips, what have you. I haven't been to a club like this in a year, and I've been tempted to get back in the habit. It's soul destroying, but it's also gratifying to be surrounded by hot women in skimpy outfits with their fake tits rubbing all over you.

Quote: (08-03-2012 03:21 AM)michelin Wrote:  

Ten more reasons for switching to daygame

1. keeps you mentally sharp - improves conversation skill without going deaf
2. no waste of money (2nd date - 5$ glass of wine)
3. better quality of girls - less flakes (overally) - easier to sort out the good from the mediocre/bad
4. I can get up to to work next day
5. can be done anywhere
6. fantastic ratio (M/F): just you and her
7. more variation in terms of places
8. I save my ears and some other alcohol-sensitive organs
9. Living far from a club? Just take the street!
10. Girls will more quickly engage in "deeper" conversations if you put out the right bait

11. I can get some fucking rest! Which allows me to be 100% for the other things in my life. And, resting keeps me young so I can game younger girls even longer!

There are a lot of outdoor events in the US which duplicate club culture at camp sites. I'm talking "Stomping Ground" here. My observations at loud, drunk bonfire parties are that the women act like they would in a crowded club. Plenty of fat chicks who get off on the horny young dudes out for some action. And to watch this in action is to know depression.

Quote: (08-01-2012 04:45 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

I am thinking of hitting another venue now that is more logistically ideal for pick up.

This made me realize that irrespective of your game, venue selection is key.

I know guys who pull 1 in 2 to 1 in 3 times they go out. Mind you they hit up a bar well known for sloppy easy lays.

- It's a dive bar with cheap drinks. Lots of drunk girls.

- It's adjacent to a party school with a 2 to 1 female to male ratio.

- It's small. This keeps out the attention whores who go out in large groups to take pics for Facebook and dance in circles as these types gravitate towards the mega-clubs. Lots of 2 and 3 sets.

- It's got a great setup. There's a quieter area to run verbal game and a dance floor to escalate physically.

- It's within walking distance to the "student ghetto" of dorms and houses where the college kids reside, so logistics are ideal.

- It's in a college town. Unlike in major cities, there isn't a huge cohort of thirsty professional cats to compete with. Most of the older 25+ cats are married or in serious LTRs.

All these factors make it a goldmine for players looking to score with horny young college girls looking for cock.

How important of a factor is venue selection in scoping for DTF girls and racking up lays?

Forgot to add that this particular dive bar is underground - which means no cell phone service! This means girls are forced to interact with the environment around them instead of texting and being tethered to their smartphones.

In my experience, young girls (under 25) in the regular night club are not as open (unless they are natural born sluts) as during daygame

Quote: (07-29-2012 06:50 PM)Aphelion Wrote:  

And girls don't compare guys in a logical way - say a chick met three dudes, A and B at the club on the same night, and C at a coffee shop. Maybe A was cooler than B, and B was cooler than C. C is a little lame. But dude B is going to come out looking the worst, because he was clearly beaten by another dude at the same time. If C can manage a date and a bang before A does, he might edge out A completely. Unless she's fat, girls don't like to settle for #2.

Also, this is why girls say stupid shit like "you'll never meet your husband at a bar." She would, but she'd ignore him for some guy who's hotter and cooler, who's willing to fuck her but not marry her. The guy who would be her husband is just not cool enough to get her in a bar, on a cold approach. And the guy who is can get a hotter girl.

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Mind Blown

One more thing that wears me out in clubs is time. When the clock strikes 4a.m. I' m usually either bored or less "sharp" (not just because of alcohol) than earlier in the night. By closing time I usually havfe the feeling I should have gone home earlier , take a good rest and be fit for day game.

What about you guys, how do you "keep going" with the right energy til closing time?

Quote: (09-01-2012 10:49 AM)michelin Wrote:  

One more thing that wears me out in clubs is time. When the clock strikes 4a.m. I' m usually either bored or less "sharp" (not just because of alcohol) than earlier in the night. By closing time I usually havfe the feeling I should have gone home earlier , take a good rest and be fit for day game.

What about you guys, how do you "keep going" with the right energy til closing time?

Drink ice coffee before you enter the club at about 0.00.

Clubs are not for everybody, but if you have high pain threshold of getting shot down over and over again, and near zero fear (sober or even wasted) you will do just fine.

The girls are being sexualized by everybody, so you gotta slow it way down. Walk slower, dance slower, talk slower. Smile slowly. Then throw in some sly smiles and winks. Works like a charm. Everybody is trying so hard to look "cool", that you will shine because you seem so natural.

Oh if you smoke jays, which i highly recommend for clubs. Roll 3-4 mini jays (width of those female thin cigarettes). That way you can isolate, smoke just a little bit w/the girl, and get her rolling and digging you.

Play on playahs!!!!

Quote: (09-01-2012 10:49 AM)michelin Wrote:  

One more thing that wears me out in clubs is time. When the clock strikes 4a.m. I' m usually either bored or less "sharp" (not just because of alcohol) than earlier in the night. By closing time I usually havfe the feeling I should have gone home earlier , take a good rest and be fit for day game.

What about you guys, how do you "keep going" with the right energy til closing time?

The key is not to stay sharp the whole time. Just flow.... Have fun in little ways. A good one is talking to random people outside. Saying or doing ridiculous sh-t. Basically anything and everything you think you would want to do. If you live in a big city, clubs are a 1-time new experience everytime. Let the expectations go, and just rage!!! As for staying sharp, the key is to start pounding drinks a little later. Usually, you should stay at the club slightly before peak hours to swoop on the incoming, and leave 45 mins-1hr after peak.

Girls have even less tolerance for partying hard then guys. Most of the girls who want to swoop will bounce early. Schedule accordingly...