[WestCoast]

Clubs are fun just gotta iron out how you're going about the situation. I have strong disagreements with what people here say "show up early and then go for it". I don't do that at all.

1. Show up talk to bartender frequently, get known at whatever venue, tip well. (after 3 visits you'll be "known" and can now cut the proverbial "line" for drinks - eg. status)
2. Warm up. Get your rejections out early. I usually get blown out on purpose my first 2 attempts, out of sight of course, just so i can get my conversation swag going
3. Only go to small venues when you can sit. Going to a "large night club" is actually easier IMHO you can spot out whose single and whose not pretty quickly.
4. Find the least competition. Who cares if there are hot girls, if you are not the man when u walk in that door chances are slim you close. I'd rather be the best in the Lot and just b-line it for the cutest girls there. If there are 70% dudes 30% girls but i'm the man, chances are slim you'll fuck it up
5. FLOOR PLAN. DO NOT STAND FOR THE SAKE OF STANDING. You zero in on the "hot spots" so you know where to be when things start to crack (roughly 2 hours before close)
6. Learn to dance. Most guys just "bob" with the music. Dance skills = bedroom skills. To quote Muhammad Ali "Can i dance?! is the Pope a Catholic?!" this should be your answer and not even be bragging.
7. You show up to have fun!
8. Walk slower.

Laundry list of mistakes made:
1. Talking to bachlorette parties. WTF you retarded bro?
2. Not checking a coat. When you "grab your coat" the girl will think you're a decent guy because you are not "hammered" and when you leave you'll have next to 0 resistance
3. Not having a bounce spot. Always have a second venue to leave to so you can grab a "drink" before you end up hooking up
4. Talking loud. Man why are you yelling in the bitch's ear? Just dance floor moves then purposely talk lower so you can say the whole "Lets go over here to chat i can't make out what you are saying"
5. Drinking like shit. Stick to wine or high end alcohol. I haven't had a hang over in 4 years and the only time i take shots is when i am getting the girl a drink towards the end of the night and already know where this shit is going
6. Talking to girls who are so obviously not having any fun. You're not going to make their day man, if they are in a shit mood chances you pull that bitch is slim.

All this being said i agree health wise it's not great so when you hit the 30s makes sense to taper off but even then i see dudes in 30s pull.

[MikeCF]

I loved clubs then hated clubs then loved clubs again...Then I figured out what was going on.

You have to find clubs that do not emphasize bottle service.

I could go into a long "data sheet" about this.

But instead of typing it out like some philosophical proof....

Next time you're at a club and think, "This sucks," look around. I'll bet there are a lot of tables.

A club should be all about drinking and GRINDING on the dance floor with a drink in one hand.

Bottler service complete destroys that dynamic.

[WestCoast]

Also depends on placement of bottle service.

Does the place have traffic where you can also sit?
Is the bottle service on a different floor?

If you answered yes to both you've found a good spot. Its pretty disgusting watching some guys operate in clubs its like watching the game special olympics

(07-29-2012 09:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I loved clubs then hated clubs then loved clubs again...Then I figured out what was going on.

You have to find clubs that do not emphasize bottle service.

I could go into a long "data sheet" about this.

But instead of typing it out like some philosophical proof....

Next time you're at a club and think, "This sucks," look around. I'll bet there are a lot of tables.

A club should be all about drinking and GRINDING on the dance floor with a drink in one hand.

Bottler service complete destroys that dynamic.

[MikeCF]

Bottle service isn't even that fun.

Girls (aka bottle whores) start angling over, trying to mooch drinks. Some will outright steal.

Someone always has to watch the table/protect it from skanks.

You also have to run an entire anti-bottle service game. I.e., when you meet a girl, don't let her know you have a table. Girls will fake interest just to scam on your table.

In Vegas bottle service is cool because bouncers grab girls for you and keep people off your table. Bouncers will tell girls who aren't making out with you/grinding on you to just leave.

Outside of Vegas, getting bottle service can suck.

Thus, bottle service sucks even when you can afford to ball so hard.

[Screwston]

I should of said that I hate clubs with bottle service and valet parking. Now that I think about it, every decent club I've been to didn't have that. They were usually more rough around the edges but they're a lot easier for girls. It's exactly like Mike just said. People at those clubs are there to get fucked up, dance and actually socialize.

Is bottle service something a newer trend? I don't think they had it when I pulled the club sluts back in the day.

[WesternCancer]

West coast good point on "dance skills = bedroom skills" the first SNL I ever got told me that all she could think about when dancing was how well I'd fuck her later. Bad thing is I have to be really hammered to dance with chicks. There's something about going up and grinding all over a chicks ass that makes me freeze up and bitch out.

[MikeCF]

Drinks also need to be cheap enough that people can afford to get drunk.

If drinks are $11, you are not going to pull. Young girls don't earn enough money to buy those drinks.

Even if you are buying her drinks, she's going to instinctively sip on the drink/share them with her girlfriends.

So a club has to have beer at $5 or so.

Then you take a girl to the bar (yes, I'm beta and buy drinks), take a shot, then get her a beer.

You'll be making out on the dance floor within a song.

[Screwston]

My type of club

[WestCoast]

The second point that needs to be made regarding club game is the "seasons"

Summer is the best time to hit the clubs because its sunny, people are getting fucked up and its pretty much unacceptable to have a half full club at that point. When winter hits and people are all on vacation you're pretty shit out of luck for girls so I usually save my money and just focus on health and wealth for a good month or so. End of the day though, people usually hate on clubs because they don't do well in them. Again like everything else the more you practice the better you get at it.

If there were no night clubs I would have 0 lays all year. Learn to operate! It's just a video game in there where your competition is usually a bunch of people who can't dance, don't know where to stand and have shitty logistics. Again you need to be the man when you walk in that bitch. Also concur with Mike, only place you get bottle service is Vegas.

[AntiTrace]

dive bars are the shit.

drinks are cheap enough for girls to get trashed.
attracts sluttier clientele
being loud and obnoxious is accepted
and almost all have them have karaoke!

[Nonpareil]

- A generally less than favorable females-to-males ratio.
- Overpriced and watered-down drinks.
- Girls being given almost total freedom to do whatever they want (free drinks, no or less cover) by bouncers and bartenders.
- All men there for the same reason.
- Over-loud music.
- Poor lighting.
- Smartphone fever.

When broken down like so, I can't really imagine a worse pickup venue than a club. I have been 'off' clubs for a while, in that I don't really go and don't actively seek to go (I will go on special occasions, however) and I agree that yes, the overpriced 'corporate' clubs that attract your young, upstart striped-shirt wearing SWPL men and cubicle-jockeying girls that go to clubs to feed their ego when they could do just as well to lose 35 lbs definitely suck.

As others have noted, bottle service (AKA 'All the girls will think we're ballers because we split on a $500 bottle of mid-tier Vodka!') has also done nothing to alleviate the situation; girls angling for drinks and guys with inflated egos, never a good thing.

Clubs are good to go and dance up on girls and secure same night lays, but to go and try to chat up a girl and run more traditional game? It's caveman.

[kosko]

(07-29-2012 09:08 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Also depends on placement of bottle service.

Does the place have traffic where you can also sit?
Is the bottle service on a different floor?

If you answered yes to both you've found a good spot. Its pretty disgusting watching some guys operate in clubs its like watching the game special olympics

(07-29-2012 09:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I loved clubs then hated clubs then loved clubs again...Then I figured out what was going on.

You have to find clubs that do not emphasize bottle service.

I could go into a long "data sheet" about this.

But instead of typing it out like some philosophical proof....

Next time you're at a club and think, "This sucks," look around. I'll bet there are a lot of tables.

A club should be all about drinking and GRINDING on the dance floor with a drink in one hand.

Bottler service complete destroys that dynamic.

But do those points justify the inflated prices? Just to position yourself in a high traffic area. If the bar is not so money hungry that it allows people to sit down without purchasing a table then what advantage does paying for the bottle service offer? In Toronto they will stuff you near the bathroom, any nook they can fit a table they will.

Bottle Service offers little to no advantages. I have better luck making friends with kats with a booth, getting drinks and going back and forth. Girls see this and I can swoop them as they are orbiting the tables. I generally have more luck spending 20$ on drinks then the dudes drooping 2K.

(07-29-2012 09:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

The second point that needs to be made regarding club game is the "seasons"

Summer is the best time to hit the clubs because its sunny, people are getting fucked up and its pretty much unacceptable to have a half full club at that point. When winter hits and people are all on vacation you're pretty shit out of luck for girls so I usually save my money and just focus on health and wealth for a good month or so. End of the day though, people usually hate on clubs because they don't do well in them. Again like everything else the more you practice the better you get at it.

If there were no night clubs I would have 0 lays all year. Learn to operate! It's just a video game in there where your competition is usually a bunch of people who can't dance, don't know where to stand and have shitty logistics. Again you need to be the man when you walk in that bitch. Also concur with Mike, only place you get bottle service is Vegas.

Really? I beg to differ this. Location dependent of course, but most bars make a good chunk of their money in the winter. You have less to compete with with options on weekends, and the bar is usually the only thing going on. In the summer you have cabins, outdoors, patios, the beach, etc. that all compete with the bar for drinking and socializing. Many bars the summer are the slowest months, also keep in mind summer = no school and University kids are big segment of a lot of bars.

Only in Europe does the summer vacation season exist. North Americans take no vacations longer than 8-12 days. usually.

[WestCoast]

My comments are all related to clubs, bars are a different gig all together. Bars are for winter, small ass ones where its all straight talking game for me.

Clubs are best in the summer still imho, you got all these idiots getting married and having parties and shit. Everyone sees people going to these clubs, so it fills up and you go for the single ones.

Its kind of like the people who you won't be fucking help you end up fucking the other ones! Plus in the summer people generally clean themselves up more as well. In the winter its "ok" to be dressed sloppier.

And yes i agree bottle service is a waste of $$ just because there is bottle service doesn't mean that it will suck though.

A shitty club venue would have ZERO seating beyond bottle service and have very expensive drinks with a shitty floor plan where there are no high traffic hot spots.

As a final note, 80%+ of the game i have run for the last 5 years at night has been in clubs so you're getting a rather biased opinion. Insulting clubs for me is like insulting my own mom, ha!

(07-29-2012 09:41 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 09:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

The second point that needs to be made regarding club game is the "seasons"

Summer is the best time to hit the clubs because its sunny, people are getting fucked up and its pretty much unacceptable to have a half full club at that point. When winter hits and people are all on vacation you're pretty shit out of luck for girls so I usually save my money and just focus on health and wealth for a good month or so. End of the day though, people usually hate on clubs because they don't do well in them. Again like everything else the more you practice the better you get at it.

If there were no night clubs I would have 0 lays all year. Learn to operate! It's just a video game in there where your competition is usually a bunch of people who can't dance, don't know where to stand and have shitty logistics. Again you need to be the man when you walk in that bitch. Also concur with Mike, only place you get bottle service is Vegas.

Really? I beg to differ this. Location dependent of course, but most bars make a good chunk of their money in the winter. You have less to compete with with options on weekends, and the bar is usually the only thing going on. In the summer you have cabins, outdoors, patios, the beach, etc. that all compete with the bar for drinking and socializing. Many bars the summer are the slowest months, also keep in mind summer = no school and University kids are big segment of a lot of bars.

Only in Europe does the summer vacation season exist. North Americans take no vacations longer than 8-12 days. usually.

[kosko]

^ I'm talking clubs, we just call the club here the bar.

They still make more cash in the winter. Unless your in Toronto or a spot with weak drinkers if you live in a City with people who like to drink they will pack the bars in the winter. Hell even in a spot like this:



People will still even line up to go to the bars in the winter!

I remember in my old town it begin Thanksgiving, a heavy snowstorm hit and the bar was still packed.......

This weekend. with a nice 32c night yesterday... No-line ups... bars half - to - three quarters filled.

Contrast this to Toronto people cry when its -3 and stay home. Its all location dependent but clubs consistently pull in more cash when they have less to compete with. You underestimate the comfort of a patio or deck in the summer time with beers and close friends. This is way more appealing then the bar 10x over, especially if you can get girls to come through.

That deck stuff is to tame for me, I need more energy but generally a lot of people enjoy that shit.


*** Yea its cool. I was the same way I was a barslut for a good 5-6 years then broke out of it. Lounges, Dive-bars, etc are way better IMO. Broads still drink and dance like skanks in lounges, and most dudes ease off since it a bit more intimate but for the prices and having cheap to no cover lounges are superior. Any time I take a homie to a dope lounge they get converted easily from shitty ass clubs.

[WestCoast]

Fair enough i guess the city i currently reside in tends to get jammed for whatever reason during the summer so that is biasing me in that direction. I guess the only real point i'm making is find out when its best to enter the club environment, i cycle between venues based on the time of year. So basically figure out the cycle and tap into it when its hot.

[kosko]

Yea I can agree with that. It took me a while to figure out the cycles in Toronto. I wasted a ton of time and money trying to hit venues during the winter when Toronto is really just a fuking ghost town in those times. Out west its the opposite as people hit cabins in the summer so the bar is bumping all winter.

I guess the best way to gauge how much your city likes to drink and party is see how many clubs are open on holidays and how busy they are. I have seen busy clubs on Christmas night for fuck sakes.

The thing that irks me is the end game of clubs. When you will see a whole club of just tables/booths. Even now half the time I look at kats at tables evreybody looks board and is just removed from the situation with their phones - its pathetic.

What are usually the funnest nights people have drinking? More times than not in a local situation its a crazy house party. Everybody has at least one that goes down as epic for its random dubachery and fun. When you just have people drinking in a large room with music good things happen. I never understood how bars decided to fuck around with a age old classic model. Drinks - Music - space. Its not rocket science so thier greed will end up killing the whole scene in the end.

[Hades]

I've always been a serious night owl, and while I love clubs my best game face is for quiet hipster hangouts like martini lounges.

[jordypip23]

I used to hit up the big nightclubs and trendy lounges like crazy in Chicago (got to its peak) when I was around 25 (4 years ago). Shit has MUCH less appeal now, and I go out WAY WAY less to these types of spots than I used to. I'm feeling the exact same feeling you're feeling. Plus now I really HATE being hungover and the loss of productivity that results from it the day after.

[jordypip23]

This is spot on pitt. If you are going to use the energy to go out, better have a solid crew. And yes, I agree that day game, especially with some social network work already in effect, can be a lot more effective.

(07-29-2012 03:28 PM)pitt Wrote:  

I have been saying the same thing on here for months, if you are looking to pull consistently avoid clubs.

Last time i went to a club was about 3 weeks ago and i told myself again that this is not my thing. My home boys were more concerned in dancing, while i was trying to pull, they were tellling me that i need to stop focusing just in women, that i should dance too, i was thinking wtf, i didnt come here to dance, i came here to pull..i got this one girl on locked..i told my boys to move to their friends but they were being too slow..these girls ended up leaving with other guys.

In order to do well in clubs you need to roll with other guys that are as good as you..girls see 3 solid guys rolling together and they all want to get to know you. The legit crew that i used to roll with in clubs, we dont roll together anymore, but even then we pulled more from day game than from clubs.

I see many newbees focused in pulling from clubs and complaining about women, i guess they dont pull because they dont approach during the day. Fuck clubs, its all about day game.

[XXL]

my best formula for clubbing solo:
- no pregame
- driving a car
- no drinking for the whole night
- hitting the big club around midnight or 1am, drinks sink in, girls are ready for some game
- 2-3 hours of action action action
- being social open fun with everyone first but focusing on hot hot girls only
- if it's shitty then around 2am-3am then hitting up streets to game hot chicks leaving clubs or cheap bars where they're already drunk

sobriety is the key here. i'm sharp, i don't get complacent, i can do whatever.

[garygroundwork]

(07-30-2012 03:10 AM)XXL Wrote:  

my best formula for clubbing solo:
- no pregame
- driving a car
- no drinking for the whole night
- hitting the big club around midnight or 1am, drinks sink in, girls are ready for some game
- 2-3 hours of action action action
- being social open fun with everyone first but focusing on hot hot girls only
- if it's shitty then around 2am-3am then hitting up streets to game hot chicks leaving clubs or cheap bars where they're already drunk

sobriety is the key here. i'm sharp, i don't get complacent, i can do whatever.

it's dam hard being out at 2-3am sober

[XXL]

it's personal choice. at this point i do my best when i'm sober. it actually helps me as my intuition, reaction time, awareness, social skills, etc are super sharp then. i can lead, i think straight, i don't get attracted to girls i shouldn't be attracted to, i'm decisive, all of these little things that are part of my personality and my game are present. once i'm tipsy or drunk my game gets worse and worse these things numb down and i basically become another drunk idiot of the night happy to be there.

also, it fits my life perfectly since i'm focused on diet/working out and it allows me to go out whenever i want without having hangovers next day or being tired, bitter etc.

i like to joke that when i get drunk i can't game and all i want is to go sleep afterwards. funny or not but kind of true.

[UgSlayer]

(07-30-2012 05:36 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 03:10 AM)XXL Wrote:  

my best formula for clubbing solo:
- no pregame
- driving a car
- no drinking for the whole night
- hitting the big club around midnight or 1am, drinks sink in, girls are ready for some game
- 2-3 hours of action action action
- being social open fun with everyone first but focusing on hot hot girls only
- if it's shitty then around 2am-3am then hitting up streets to game hot chicks leaving clubs or cheap bars where they're already drunk

sobriety is the key here. i'm sharp, i don't get complacent, i can do whatever.

it's dam hard being out at 2-3am sober

But it's rewarding and helps your game get better faster. When I was first starting out in the game I was putting in between 3 to 7 nights a week sober for 30 days at a time. Back then, everybody was all about the 30 day challenges. By the end, my game had skyrocketed and evolved so much it was crazy. Guys who were getting more girls than me in the beginning became my peers and then eventually I was leading the pack because I was the most committed to going out. When no one would go out with me, I would roll solo. Going out sober is important especially if you're just learning game because it helps you remember the minute details and where you fucked up.

We came up with a theory that the harsh environment and loud music is evolution's survival of the fittest manifesting itself subconsciously. We called them "chode-blockers". I understand clubs aren't for everyone, but getting out of your comfort zone is key to growing as a person and a player. Of course, there are other ways to do this (traveling, getting in shape, building your bankroll).

I'll admit the first couple days going out sober was not comfortable at all. I'd have massive AA and feel like everybody was having a better time than I was. Even if I had a bad night previously, I would force myself to go out 7 nights a week for the first week or two. By the end of the first week, it was like second nature and I'd feel weird if I didn't go out. My AA also went way down and I didn't feel awkward at all. Two weeks in, I didn't even hesitate to open.

I love clubs. You can go to almost any high-end club and you will you find a high concentration of hot girls dolled up to the 9's. You can get away with a lot more than other venues. Girls are super high energy and you can spike their buying temp so high and make them do things that they wouldn't do otherwise (makeouts in a couple minutes, makeouts with 2 girls in a couple of minutes, fingering within 10 minutes of meeting them, super-fast pulls in under an hour and in some cases under 30 mins).

Also, clubs are very forgiving for new guys starting out. You could get blown out 10 times and still pull at the end of the night because nobody notices you getting blown out.

You don't necessarily have to be high energy. You just need a loud and dominant voice. I've stopped large groups of girls from dancing by just booming "HEY" (loud and dominant voice) and started conversations on the dance floor. If you're loud, dominant, and put off a fun vibe, you don't have to be a dancing monkey to get their attention. You can actually bring their energy down to your level if you walk up, get their attention, and calm them down. In your head, think of yourself like daddy trying to calm down your daughter and her little friends. Keep calm, collected, and friendly.

Be smart about it, too. I didn't have a job at the time of my 30 day challenges. I would find clubs that I could call up and get put on the list so I didn't have to pay cover. During the week, clubs will not be as busy and they won't even charge cover. Only downside was I had to get there before 11. But it gives you time to get to know the staff and chill and relax with your crew or alone if you go solo. If I would spend 40 bucks a week maximum going out including gas, soft drinks, and food if I ever got hungry after the club. Also, you don't have to stay until last call. If you have work the next day, go out for an hour or two. I fall asleep from midnight to 1:30 during the week, anyway. If you have that limited time mindset, it helps you push for the close faster and more often, too.


Hope this helps.

[kosko]

(07-30-2012 08:20 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  


We came up with a theory that the harsh environment and loud music is evolution's survival of the fittest manifesting itself subconsciously. We called them "chode-blockers". I understand clubs aren't for everyone, but getting out of your comfort zone is key to growing as a person and a player. Of course, there are other ways to do this (traveling, getting in shape, building your bankroll).

[UgSlayer]

(07-30-2012 08:33 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 08:20 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  


We came up with a theory that the harsh environment and loud music is evolution's survival of the fittest manifesting itself subconsciously. We called them "chode-blockers". I understand clubs aren't for everyone, but getting out of your comfort zone is key to growing as a person and a player. Of course, there are other ways to do this (traveling, getting in shape, building your bankroll).

Chode=AFC=Guy who doesn't get laid

They can't deal with the club environment, so they can't pull. Thus, the loud music and harsher environment of a club were referred to as "chode-blockers"

Hope that cleared things up.

This thread reminds me of the "NYC is a cock festival" thread. Not meant to disparage anyone, but I really don't get the negative attitude towards clubs. Daygame is great, but in clubs you can literally get blown out, turn around, walk 10 feet, and do another approach if you feel like it. Even though they are programmed by feminism and sex in the city to deny it, girls go out to clubs to meet guys first and have fun second. When you're in the club next time, pay attention. I would put money down that you'll see hot girls just standing around bored waiting for somebody to make their night more interesting. They could look pretty and stand around at home. They WANT you to approach them. Just don't have any emotional attachment or reaction to the shit-tests and you'll probably out-pull 95 percent of the guys who even have the guts to approach.