Interesting post. I've always suspected that some guys who guy to Brazil and brag about how "easy" it is, may have been exaggerating about their experiences. I'm no expert, but have spent two months there over two trips and been to ten different cities. One thing I can guarantee you is that the Brazil I read about on some internet postings is not the Brazil I experienced; especially Rio.

I can't believe how many guys buy this fantasy about being sexually attacked by sex starved Brazilian women as they walk down the street or how some cities have "ten women to every man" (yeah right) and how all the women worship foreigners. If you believe this nonsense, you are setting yourself up for a fall.

You need Portuguese to conversational level at the utter minimum, you need local friends for social value and to show you were things are (it's not always obvious), being able to dance confidently is quite important and you need to have the usual traits that women look for in general. If you don't have all of these, you will not do nearly as well as you think you will; in Rio especially and in southern Brazil in general, you may struggle a bit.

The real elephant in the room is sex tourism. Many Brazilians suspect foreign men as being there for sex, paid or unpaid. If you are on your own, then this stereotype is even firmer. Many middle class Brazilian girls will have nothing to do with Gringos in places were sex tourism exists such as certain parts of the North East. The only girls who will have anything to do with you are pros, semi pros or maybe favela girls as you can pay taxis, entrance fees, drinks, food etc.

Some people think that the glory days in Brazil are already over and I can see their point. On top of gringo fatigue in certain hot spots, it is now ridiculously expensive and you may not always find the locals as friendly as some people try to make them out to be.

PJEUA

I think you came to Brazil with too much high expectations. Brazil is not the easy place to get laid as it is always portrayed in the media. I went out for almost 15 nights in a row before in got my first lay. I kissed so many girls that i was sick of kissing at one point and didn't want to kiss and even touch those fine asses anymore if i got the feeling she was not up for the bang. Kissing is the easy part. Banging is a whole other thing in Brazil.

Overall, Sao Paulo is a good place for nightlife. Like Alphatravel said: go to D Edge on Monday and also club Vegas (it was still open in October last year) I forgot the name of the street where Vegas is but there are tons of places to go out there.

About the kissing: you probably aren't aggressive enough. Brazil is a kissing culture, its normal there even in public. I had no trouble kissing girls what so ever. If she you gives you the head turn, try again,and again, and again. Wait a minute in between tries but don't give up.

One technique i always use is to take my right hand and slide it past her right cheek and her ear and and "fork" my fingers into her hair on the back of her head. This way you can control her head movement a bit. Don't make it seem obvious and keep looking at her and not your hand. Once you have "locked her in" like this kiss her. She will not resist much when you do this. Already be close to her and don't go for the kiss if you are further away than half a meter. It looks stupid when come at her with pouched lips and your eyes closed. Use the headlock while dancing. (Hmm, i should write a thread/blogpost about this some day)
My rule of thumb is that if a girl gives you the head turn but stays with you she is definitely interested and you should try again. Sometimes you need to pull her into a dark spot. Just say " i want to show you something"and pull her hand, don't ask her.

Overall, when i read your story i think your vibe is way off and it looks to much that you try too hard. Go out and have a beer by your self and just talk to people and especially girl's with any intentions. You will feel really relaxed, this is how you should feel when you're on the hunt.

You should have no problems when you speak portunol, live there and have a job there. I'm 35 and a poor backpacker and succeeded with 5 words of Portuguese and a bit of portunol .

Every country I have been to I have gotten lucky in way or another. Brazil was the the first place I didn't get any action. I could have pushed for it a bit harder Lapa but girls over a 7 treated me like shit. Was not a happy bunny. Even my pal who was 6 foot 3, blonde, typical surfer type dude bombed and he has tons of game.

In Brazil, I find it useful and necessary to stay at least a month in a city, rent a furnished apartment and have a story of why I am there. Mixx used to tell women in Brasilia, for example, that he was there for a job interview and wanted to stay for awhile, to see if he wanted to accept it later.
In the Northeast I used to tell girls that I was hired by a local university to teach advanced English. And in Brasilia and Belo Horizonte, I used the I'm coming to work for Citibank story. Since I have a background in these 2 fields, it wasn't hard to fake. Also my portuguese is almost fluent (but with portanol you should be ok) and the furnished apartment was the icing on the cake. With these 3 strategies you should see your bangs go up in Brazil, without relying on social circle game.

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My rule of thumb is that if a girl gives you the head turn but stays with you she is definitely interested and you should try again

Which is what I've said twice. The head turn means nothing only if she acts really shocked, disgusted or walks away would I not try and kiss her again.

Oh and the street Vegas Club is / was in I'm not sure but the general area is called Augusta. I love that place especially on a Friday night when the street party is on, everyone out on the pavement drinking beers and smoking joints, people from all walks of life side by side having a good time. Tons of bars and clubs around too. I miss SP, it's one of those magical cities. Wish it wasn't so expensive I'd consider it for my next stint abroad.

Quote: (07-01-2012 04:17 AM)PJEUA Wrote:  

I've been living in brazil now for 3 months as I recently chose to relocate here and work. Before I got to Brazil I was really excited to be here and around the beautiful women that Brazil is so famous for. I thought I would be getting lots of girls, having success in the clubs, eventually secure a beautiful wife etc etc. But to be honest the last 3 months have been an absolute failure and it almost seems to me like the girls I am going after are programmed not to like gringo. Who came up with this BS that Brazilian girls "love gringoes"? I get the sense that many of them have never even kissed a gringo, yet alone had sex with one. They just seem to view me as a cool novelty, not someone they would seriously date ("hey lets have a photo with the gringo!"). I know some other gringoes who are married or have girlfriends, but they are not with the beautiful wealthy white girls--"patricinhas" or whatever they're called. In fact they are all with mediocre girls...the top shelf girls seem to go to Brasileiros....You guys know what I mean.....

About me: I am 25, not tall, not fat, fit, good source of income, and my game, relative to the members' on this board, is below average, but above average overall. Speak portunol.

When I go out to clubs and approach girls, I am just blown out one after the other. Before I got here I thought they would be interested in talking to a gringo, etc, but it seems like being a gringo is actually a DETERRENT. I'm approaching sober, trying all different types of angles, etc, but the girls just aren't feeling me in clubs. Is it my accent, too desperate maybe? From the girl's perspective I can see why it might be harder for me to arouse her than a Brazilian guy--I can't talk intimate, my accent is strange, etc. Some girls will give me attention, even want pictures with me but they still just joke with me and say "gringo" to their friend. Is it like what Roosh says--I mean how a lot of middle/upper class girls resent living in a poor country and want to show that they are "badass" and won't fall head over heals for me just because I am a gringo?

But I know Roosh and the forum advocate not to go to expensive clubs, and those are the ones I primarily go to (I can't say I have had much success in cheaper venues as well;it's like a catch22 go the cheaper clubs no girls speak English, go to the expensive clubs 70% do). The clubs where every girl has an iPhone. But if I go to the less expensive clubs the quality obviously is poorer...I'd obviously like something to change so that I can continue to go to the expensive clubs because that's where the quality is highest...

Sorry for the long ramble....think I have to switch to daygame....it's just getting painful to keep failing in the clubs....what is it the Brazilian guys are doing in clubs that score girls night in and night out (of course they won't help me!!)??? Is it just the vibe they're projecting as a result of their inner game and success? Do you think girls can feel my frustration or something? It's frustrating to see these other brazilian guys succeeding in the club everyday.
Any thoughts are appreciated.

Why on hell are you going to brazil if you prefer "white girls"??? In fact you first should read and encyclopedia and understand the mediocre (brown) girls are by far the majority in brazil, and chances are the big majority of white ones arent even that white, at least not by european standards, if you like like white girls: europe, asian girls: asia, black girls ;africa, mixed girls: latin america.

Brazil and latin america are good places if you like mixed looking women, mulatas or amerindian admixed.

Going to a place to game women who are highly prized is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, like gaming white women (especially blondes and redheads) in latin america, arab countries or mediterranean europe, where they are highly desired by local men.

White/Europeans have their lowest prizing in europe, because most european countries are largely white and are not race obsessed/white supremacist (unlike america).

The same mixed people have their lowest prize at latin america, because in most latin american countries the societies worship the white people and tend to emphasize their social insecurities and aspirational beauty ideals into them, hence gaming a white girls in south america is like gaming the chick that everybody aspires to get, hence their prize goes to sky.The opposite gaming a mixed girl, even beautiful one, wont be that hard, because they will be prized lower due to the fact they dont fit what most people aspire to be, hence many guys would see them as the girl they will end up with if they dont do enough good.

Maybe you dont look enough "aryan" enough for the brazilian girls tastes. My scandinavian and dutch friends have literally killed it there, and they were all fitting the tall-blonde combo , were treated basically as some sort of superior human beings by the locals there. But the right thing is that the high class white girls (well most white people in brazil is either rich or has a wealthy situation) wont make that much fuzz about some guy having blonde hair/blue eyes and looking straight up european, compared to more humble/poor girls (where most mixed and black girls fall in) where being blond/blue and white is associated with improving the economic situation and somewhat also getting higher on the social ladder.

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Quote: (07-01-2012 04:17 AM)PJEUA Wrote:  

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Why on hell are you going to brazil if you prefer "white girls"??? In fact you first should read and encyclopedia and understand the mediocre (brown) girls are by far the majority in brazil, and chances are the big majority of white ones arent even that white, at least not by european standards, if you like like white girls: europe, asian girls: asia, black girls ;africa, mixed girls: latin america.

Brazil and latin america are good places if you like mixed looking women, mulatas or amerindian admixed.

Going to a place to game women who are highly prized is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, like gaming white women (especially blondes and redheads) in latin america, arab countries or mediterranean europe, where they are highly desired by local men.

White/Europeans have their lowest prizing in europe, because most european countries are largely white and are not race obsessed/white supremacist (unlike america).

The same mixed people have their lowest prize at latin america, because in most latin american countries the societies worship the white people and tend to emphasize their social insecurities and aspirational beauty ideals into them, hence gaming a white girls in south america is like gaming the chick that everybody aspires to get, hence their prize goes to sky.The opposite gaming a mixed girl, even beautiful one, wont be that hard, because they will be prized lower due to the fact they dont fit what most people aspire to be, hence many guys would see them as the girl they will end up with if they dont do enough good.

Maybe you dont look enough "aryan" enough for the brazilian girls tastes. My scandinavian and dutch friends have literally killed it there, and they were all fitting the tall-blonde combo , were treated basically as some sort of superior human beings by the locals there. But the right thing is that the high class white girls (well most white people in brazil is either rich or has a wealthy situation) wont make that much fuzz about some guy having blonde hair/blue eyes and looking straight up european, compared to more humble/poor girls (where most mixed and black girls fall in) where being blond/blue and white is associated with improving the economic situation and somewhat also getting higher on the social ladder.

Sound like bullshit too me, I'm tall, blond haired and Dutch and have reasonable looks. i wasn't regarded super human by locals nor did any other guy there who fit that description. You're contradicting every opinion here on the forum.

This thread surprises me.

I have not been to SP but two+ weeks in Rio yielded three quality girls for me. Girls that if I would have met them locally while home, I would have seen regularly and perhaps even dated. And in the US, I have had pretty regular success with Brasilieras as well since my Rio trip. In fact, I have a Paulista I used to bang flying out here to Hawaii to stay with me week after next.

I have a few thoughts:

As others have mentioned, I have to wonder what the general impression you are giving off is. Brazilians, almost to the person in my experience, are extremely care free, come as it may type of people. They joke around and laugh more than any other group of people I've ever met. I always say I've never met a Brazilian I haven't liked. They are incredibly hard to not get along with.

So I have to ask: Are you coming across as too serious? Are you creeping? What do you tell them you are doing there?

I was pretty vague about my reasons for being there and it was certainly to my advantage that I had a furnished apt, staying with a friend who lived there (also American however). I also did the opposite of what I saw the local guys doing: I would approach very respectfully and casually/situationally. If the girl was interested, I would venture into a lot of "rapport" lines of conversation: family, interests, job aspirations, differences in our cultures, help with some Portuguese, advice on things to do. If she's interested, after a few minutes of that, pretty much every Brazilian girl will expect you to start making out with her. At that point, I would give her a small little kiss and then use the denial of kissing as a way to build tension and get her chasing and things are smooth sailing after that.

Also, as others mentioned, I think it is somewhat naive to think that these girls are just going to throw themselves onto your sack because you are American. I learned real quick, as in the first couple of days I was there, that it is 100% a numbers game. I am the "sought after" blond hair/blue eyed visitor and I got straight up rejected 90% of the time. There are just a lot of reasons that a girl will not be open to a gringo. It's simply another filter you have to work through. The other 10% of the time however, the girl would be all over me, asking for kisses, telling me I was beautiful, etc...As a gringo, you are filling a very specific niche and you have to just find that girls that like that niche. Late 20s, middle to upper middle class, educated, professional lines of work, English speaking, well traveled AND with friends who are similar because they cannot have the social stigma attached if their friends don't have similar attitudes. Those are general characteristics of girls that might be more open to you.

And I think you are on the right track with looking to day game. I found the clubs very tough there as well as compared to approaching during my daily adventures.

I hope you figure this out. Brazilian women just have a special way of making a guy feel good.

Brazil seems to be turning into a "second tier only" kind of spot. If I went today I would probably skip Rio or SP.

Quote: (07-03-2012 06:28 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Brazil seems to be turning into a "second tier only" kind of spot. If I went today I would probably skip Rio or SP.

Yes Roosh, since I have been traveling to Brazil, starting in 2010, I quickly realized that 2nd or even 3rd tier is the way to go.
Next time you go, hit up the NE cities that you missed, such as Natal, Joao Pessoa or Belem. Unlike, the cities you saw, they do have decent talent, that on the average, is the same or better than Rio (I saw more fatties in Rio, though obviously the high end is top notch).
Brasilia and Goiania are also excellent candidates if you want to go inland. I stayed a month in Brasilia, and I was surprised how friendly and receptive girls were to foreigners. The few days I stayed in Goiania, I saw talent comparable to Belo Horizonte.

Quote: (07-03-2012 04:43 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Sound like bullshit too me, I'm tall, blond haired and Dutch and have reasonable looks. i wasn't regarded super human by locals nor did any other guy there who fit that description. You're contradicting every opinion here on the forum.

Maybe you went to the wrong place, hitting hight end clubs will only make you be surrounded by higher class brazilian girls. As I have explained before the wealthier brazilian girls will be the less ones that will make a big hipe about tall blond/blue looks since they are mostly focused into guys who move in their similar social circle who they can relate to, a sort of colonial mentality. On the other hand poorer brazilian girls are more open to date and will see a tall blonde foreign guy as a chance to move up in the social/economic ladder. Try hitting northern/north-east brazil

I can't imagine Neil went to high end clubs, he's a cheap skate.