You need to learn Russian to be effective outside Kiev.I realised the importance of learning Russian back in 2001.I had already started learning Czech which helped a lot with Russian(many similar words).

Quote: (04-27-2012 12:53 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You need to learn Russian to be effective outside Kiev.I realised the importance of learning Russian back in 2001.I had already started learning Czech which helped a lot with Russian(many similar words).

Agreed.

Learning just conversational Russian will reward you over and over in the FSU. It allows you to target the whole female demographic as opposed to simply those women who speak English. It also allows you to operate effectively way off the beaten track,beyond the first and second tier cities. Russian as the lingua franca of the FSU ( in some places resented as such ) is our greatest tool. I consider deciding to study Russian in Moscow in 1993 as probably the most influential decision of my life as the results of learning the language have opened me up to my greatest adventures. And the great thing is that you don't need to study that long to get conversational. As long as you are not too focussed on nailing your grammar and are happy just to get conversational then you can do that in two months if you're in the country itself. Not only that but in those two months enrolled at a university preparatory department in the FSU you will get a basic understanding of Russian women too that will serve you well on future travels to the region. Everyone who is serious about banging hot FSU devs should make the effort to nail the language to upper intermediate level.

Remember though that if your aim is to use the language for chasing girls then focus on fluency over competency. I used to blow my fellow students out the water with my Russian in 'live' situations. They were far more competent then me and had better vocabulary and grammatical understanding but I was far more fluent because I practiced speaking to random people out of the classroom without concentrating on grammar so much. Hence whilst they were thinking of how to form the instrumental case endings whilst talking to a girl I'd already steamed in and invited her out for a drink. That's why google translate is bollocks: it's competent but has zero fluency. Seductive conversation doesn't work like that.

What is also important is that Russian women help you a lot with learning Russian.In general Russians are rather prone to assimilate you while the same is not true for Germans etc who do not make any effort to help at all.

I dropped the ball in coming to a place where English wasn't common without being conversational in Russian.

But I had a backup plan that paid off... teaching English.

In Russia and Belarus the situation is even worse.There more than 90% of the girls speak no English at all.

Quote: (04-27-2012 02:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I dropped the ball in coming to a place where English wasn't common without being conversational in Russian.

But I had a backup plan that paid off... teaching English.

Interesting.

I have a job offer starting on Wednesday to teach English as well.


How do you run game on your students?
You don't have much 2nd chances..you screw up, and you're stuck with the mess.

This is why I've got 3 part time job offers from 3 different language schools....always good to have backups.

Quote: (04-27-2012 02:34 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In Russia and Belarus the situation is even worse.There more than 90% of the girls speak no English at all.

Greek, please do not use Russia & Belarus in the same sentence! They are totally different countries, except for the very similar language. Belarus get's few visitors from the west compared to other FSU countries and in general for a mid-size country it is very closed off having few imports/exports (except for chemicals such as fertilizer and farm and construction machinery).
Getting into Belarus is no easy task for a westerner, especially American. I work for a large NGO (non governmental organization) and even with a UN passport my colleagues have been hassled when going on mission to Belarus. Belorussians who have college degrees do not travel as frequently to the west as Russians and foreign language skills are lacking as compared to its neighbors the Baltic states for example. In Russia whether you are in Moscow, St. Petersburg, or Vladivostok you will find more female's than males, majority college educated, and with at least basic fluency of English. If you go to major clubs in any large city you are bound to run into plenty of foreigners and Russian businessman who are multilingual. Obviously it all changes when you enter the smaller towns and villages but what type of crazy PUA on this forum who is considering visiting Russia would hit a 3rd tier city?

Why?In the summer I hit a Russian city of 80000 population.Hotties are not less in small cities.
What I am saying is if you are not willing to play big ball and overspend by visiting Kiev(so Moscow,Peter) are even worse in this case) lack of Russian hinders you considerably in Russian and Belorussian provincial cities where English is spoken even less than in Ukraine.

Quote: (04-27-2012 11:07 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Why?In the summer I hit a Russian city of 80000 population.Hotties are not less in small cities.
What I am saying is if you are not willing to play big ball and overspend by visiting Kiev(so Moscow,Peter) are even worse in this case) lack of Russian hinders you considerably in Russian and Belorussian provincial cities where English is spoken even less than in Ukraine.

Of course you can find hotties in small cities but they are less visible. Small cities tend to be more blue collar and focused around a specific industry (for example a car factory). Especially in EE women tend to migrate to the big cities to look for educational opportunities as the one thing that I remember growing up in the Soviet era was that the drive to get educated and finish college is instilled in almost all the kids from a young age. Unlike in USA where you can find a good school in the middle of nowhere majority of the top university's in Russia tend to be located in large cities thus offering a high supply of college aged women.
FSU countries tend to have some of the most educated women in the world and it is not unheard of to run across a chick in her 20's with a PhD (i'm actually talking to one from Kazakhstan right now via Skype). So too often when you come across these 3rd tier towns all you see are middle aged, senior citizens. Plight of young people from small towns to big cities or even migration to the west is a common phenomenon over there.
Now you try walking in Odessa during the summer and tell me that it has the same number of hotties as a smaller beach city, of course not. Let's also not forget the night game opportunities in the form of clubs and bars. Without them I get bored too quickly and I have yet to find a small city (<100,000 population)with good night game opportunities.

Russia is different from Ukraine in this regard.In Ukraine small cities are almost dead since population has vastly emigrated.In Russia it is not so.They are alive.Also many beautiful Ukrainian women have either emigrated to the West or to Russia.Also lots of them gather to Kiev to search for better opportunities.

Quote: (04-27-2012 07:58 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Getting into Belarus is no easy task for a westerner, especially American. I work for a large NGO (non governmental organization) and even with a UN passport my colleagues have been hassled when going on mission to Belarus........ but what type of crazy PUA on this forum who is considering visiting Russia would hit a 3rd tier city?

The difficulty of the Belarusian visa is something of a travellers myth. The fact is that it's no harder to obtain then the Russian one. Plenty of agencies will obtain you the visa support documents and visa itself for a fee and with no accommodation needing to be booked.

Here you go:
http://www.realrussia.co.uk/visas/belarusian/

Or you can just book a hotel and then take the confirmation to the consulate to get your visa. The only reason your friends were hassled was precisely because they had a UN passport not in-spite of it. Lukashenko has a distrust of foreigners interfering in their internal ( read political ) affairs so to speak and hence NGO workers can have a rough ride ( I have friends who have gone there with NGO's )If you want to get a visa just put 'shop worker' on your application. I'm a journalist but I wouldn't be naive as to tell them that whenever I've applied for visas in the past.

There are reasons to avoid Belarus but the visa isn't one of them.

Quote: (04-28-2012 04:14 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (04-27-2012 07:58 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

Getting into Belarus is no easy task for a westerner, especially American. I work for a large NGO (non governmental organization) and even with a UN passport my colleagues have been hassled when going on mission to Belarus........ but what type of crazy PUA on this forum who is considering visiting Russia would hit a 3rd tier city?

The difficulty of the Belarusian visa is something of a travellers myth. The fact is that it's no harder to obtain then the Russian one. Plenty of agencies will obtain you the visa support documents and visa itself for a fee and with no accommodation needing to be booked.

Here you go:
http://www.realrussia.co.uk/visas/belarusian/

Or you can just book a hotel and then take the confirmation to the consulate to get your visa. The only reason your friends were hassled was precisely because they had a UN passport not in-spite of it. Lukashenko has a distrust of foreigners interfering in their internal ( read political ) affairs so to speak and hence NGO workers can have a rough ride ( I have friends who have gone there with NGO's )If you want to get a visa just put 'shop worker' on your application. I'm a journalist but I wouldn't be naive as to tell them that whenever I've applied for visas in the past.

There are reasons to avoid Belarus but the visa isn't one of them.

Yes indeed. Don't believe everything you hear in the news.

I have not had any trouble with police here, I had no trouble with getting a visa(except for typical bureaucracy such as needing original copies of documents), and the people here are generally friendly and welcoming.

The cities are extremely clean, the roads in decent condition, and the country functions relatively normally.

The girls are not desperate to leave or meet foreigners.

In the US you hear about dictatorships and problems in other countries because Americans tend to view themselves as superior.(Russians, French, British etc. also do this. In any big/powerful country you get people who tend to think their way of life is the only way of life.)

Take a look at the Rick Steves documentary of Iran, and you see that that its fairly normal life for most people in a country thats often vilified. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...8733568709)



I'm really glad I'm doing some travelling. You really learn a lot...

Quote: (04-27-2012 04:51 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I have a job offer starting on Wednesday to teach English as well.


How do you run game on your students?
You don't have much 2nd chances..you screw up, and you're stuck with the mess.

This is why I've got 3 part time job offers from 3 different language schools....always good to have backups.

I would keep work and play separate, seems like it could lead to big trouble.

Quote: (04-28-2012 05:10 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Quote: (04-27-2012 04:51 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I have a job offer starting on Wednesday to teach English as well.


How do you run game on your students?
You don't have much 2nd chances..you screw up, and you're stuck with the mess.

This is why I've got 3 part time job offers from 3 different language schools....always good to have backups.

I would keep work and play separate, seems like it could lead to big trouble.

I don't care if I get fired..I don't need the $2 hour they're offering to pay me....

Basically the trouble is transitioning from "work mode" to "game mode".

Quote: (04-28-2012 05:04 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Yes indeed. Don't believe everything you hear in the news.

I have not had any trouble with police here, I had no trouble with getting a visa(except for typical bureaucracy such as needing original copies of documents), and the people here are generally friendly and welcoming.

The cities are extremely clean, the roads in decent condition, and the country functions relatively normally.

The girls are not desperate to leave or meet foreigners.

In the US you hear about dictatorships and problems in other countries because Americans tend to view themselves as superior.(Russians, French, British etc. also do this. In any big/powerful country you get people who tend to think their way of life is the only way of life.)

I'm really glad I'm doing some travelling. You really learn a lot...

True.

I've met people with so many misconceptions of Belarus,people whose job it is to know better. The common view in the western press and amongst a lot of the EU political think-tank dicks is that it's a country and populace living under a cloud of fear,where people disappear for saying the wrong thing,where travel is banned,the KGB watch you constantly....The reality is that Lukashenko is hugely popular with huge sections of society for steering Belarus out of the troubled waters of bandit capitalism,people give their opinion freely to you about the government and problems in the country,the country is probably the safest country in Europe for a foreign visitor,you can walk about in the middle of the night on your own with no fear of being mugged or attacked. The police have no desire to hassle you or shake you down like they do in other parts of the FSU. In fact the only problems the foreign visitor encounters in Belarus is paying more then locals for hotels and the lack of English spoken.

Bang on the money in regards to the women not interested in meeting a foreigner. I think it shows that income has little effect on desire to leave. I've found I've met many more women in Russia where wages are better,looking to meet a foreigner then I have in the more impoverished country of Belarus. If anything being foreign is a turn off in Belarus for the local women and can seriously hinder your game.

You don't need to game students. Your authority is automatic game. The hard part is setting up a bridge to hang out outside of class. One way to do this is leave the building with the student on the way over to the bus stop or whatever.

Also, 90% of teachers in Ukraine are women. Your coworkers will be just as interested in you as the students.

AlphaTravel: These aren't career positions.

How does one get a job teaching English? Don't the schools check for paperwork? Are you paid under the table?

Don't need it for the income, but rather a way to get close to the target demographic.

Quote: (04-28-2012 08:02 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (04-28-2012 05:04 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Yes indeed. Don't believe everything you hear in the news.

I have not had any trouble with police here, I had no trouble with getting a visa(except for typical bureaucracy such as needing original copies of documents), and the people here are generally friendly and welcoming.

The cities are extremely clean, the roads in decent condition, and the country functions relatively normally.

The girls are not desperate to leave or meet foreigners.

In the US you hear about dictatorships and problems in other countries because Americans tend to view themselves as superior.(Russians, French, British etc. also do this. In any big/powerful country you get people who tend to think their way of life is the only way of life.)

I'm really glad I'm doing some travelling. You really learn a lot...

True.

I've met people with so many misconceptions of Belarus,people whose job it is to know better. The common view in the western press and amongst a lot of the EU political think-tank dicks is that it's a country and populace living under a cloud of fear,where people disappear for saying the wrong thing,where travel is banned,the KGB watch you constantly....The reality is that Lukashenko is hugely popular with huge sections of society for steering Belarus out of the troubled waters of bandit capitalism,people give their opinion freely to you about the government and problems in the country,the country is probably the safest country in Europe for a foreign visitor,you can walk about in the middle of the night on your own with no fear of being mugged or attacked. The police have no desire to hassle you or shake you down like they do in other parts of the FSU. In fact the only problems the foreign visitor encounters in Belarus is paying more then locals for hotels and the lack of English spoken.

Bang on the money in regards to the women not interested in meeting a foreigner. I think it shows that income has little effect on desire to leave. I've found I've met many more women in Russia where wages are better,looking to meet a foreigner then I have in the more impoverished country of Belarus. If anything being foreign is a turn off in Belarus for the local women and can seriously hinder your game.

I agree.Moreover the soviet infrastructure in Belarus is left intact.This is the first thing you notice compared to Ukraine.It is obvious that rich Ukrainians have stolen some of the wealth of the country and sent it abroad.The wealth of Belarus has remained inside Belarus.
Also Belarus is rather clean one of the cleanest countries I have been.Soviet arhcitecture of Minsk(rebuilt after WW2) is remarkable with huge alleys and impressive buildings.It carries no resemblance to what happened to Warsaw after WW2(also rebuilt).It is obvious Moscow,Minsk,Kiev were built as status symbols of the Empire and retain this image till today(although Kiev has definetely degraded by the constant looting).
Belarussian women are definetely more reserved and shy than Ukrainian and Russian women and this shows in their fashion(no provocative dresses,mini skirts etc).They are also way more shy than polish girls.
What is important for the foreigner is that money can go a long way in Belarus especially after severe evaluation of local currency(which cannot be exchanged outside of Belarus).It is impossible to find women with lack of essentials for survival(like it happens in Ukraine,Russia) however most Belarussian women do not have money for luxuries and some of them need a man to provide them.In this case the foreigner can play serious ball.However since he does not provide for essentials the women are more independant from him in comparison to Ukraine,Russia.

Quote: (04-28-2012 08:02 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Bang on the money in regards to the women not interested in meeting a foreigner. I think it shows that income has little effect on desire to leave. I've found I've met many more women in Russia where wages are better,looking to meet a foreigner then I have in the more impoverished country of Belarus. If anything being foreign is a turn off in Belarus for the local women and can seriously hinder your game.

I think the important thing is income disparity---its not big in Belarus.
In ukraine you see a lot of new expensive cars that the elite have..and a bunch of shitty, old ones.
In belarus you don't see as many BMWs and Mercedes but fewer old cars...or they're well maintained volgas (some of them look pretty classy)

According to psychology..its not how much money you have in absolute terms, but how much money relative to others that affects whether you feel rich or poor.

A similar country would be Transnistria...its also very clean, most of the infrastructure is intact, and the population is proud.

The income distribution in Russia Ukraine has allowed some rich men to form harems.It is not so in Belarus that is why a harem is less accepted there.

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The income distribution in Russia Ukraine has allowed some rich men to form harems.It is not so in Belarus that is why a harem is less accepted there.

Greek, you've been to a lot of places..

Where would you recommend for a beginner to the FSU (city/country/region)?

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:06 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I think the important thing is income disparity---its not big in Belarus.
In ukraine you see a lot of new expensive cars that the elite have..and a bunch of shitty, old ones.

How are these Ukrainians getting rich? How is the economy?

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:53 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:09 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The income distribution in Russia Ukraine has allowed some rich men to form harems.It is not so in Belarus that is why a harem is less accepted there.

Greek, you've been to a lot of places..

Where would you recommend for a beginner to the FSU (city/country/region)?

Ukraine better in Kiev for the beginner.

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:55 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:06 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I think the important thing is income disparity---its not big in Belarus.
In ukraine you see a lot of new expensive cars that the elite have..and a bunch of shitty, old ones.

How are these Ukrainians getting rich? How is the economy?

Ukraine has a serious production of steel,coal and fertilizers in Donbass.If you go to Dnepropetrovsk the sky can be blue green from the chemicals.Most of Ukrainian production is absorbed by Russia in exchange for Russian goods.Both countries have outdated facilities so their products cannot compete in international market and they exchange them mutually.Ukraine also benefits by fees from the transport of Russian gas through its territory in puffer to reach the western European countries.Ukraine gets gas on half the prices of the western Europe.This is a way the Russians have to control Ukraine.
So the businessmen involved in Donbass industry, the politicians they bribe etc are rich(eg Ahmetov).Also businessmen involved on communication, construction

Quote: (04-28-2012 04:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:55 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Quote: (04-28-2012 03:06 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I think the important thing is income disparity---its not big in Belarus.
In ukraine you see a lot of new expensive cars that the elite have..and a bunch of shitty, old ones.

How are these Ukrainians getting rich? How is the economy?

Ukraine has a serious production of steel,coal and fertilizers in Donbass.If you go to Dnepropetrovsk the sky can be blue green from the chemicals.Most of Ukrainian production is absorbed by Russia in exchange for Russian goods.Both countries have outdated facilities so their products cannot compete in international market and they exchange them mutually.Ukraine also benefits by fees from the transport of Russian gas through its territory in puffer to reach the western European countries.Ukraine gets gas on half the prices of the western Europe.This is a way the Russians have to control Ukraine.
So the businessmen involved in Donbass industry, the politicians they bribe etc are rich(eg Ahmetov).Also businessmen involved on communication, construction

The Dnipro bombers had no problem getting hold of fertilizer then