Quote: (12-10-2017 12:00 AM)Only8sandup Wrote:  

Vegan here. I personally don't care about animals at all. I love meat and used to eat a lot of it while bulking and working out consistently since the age of 17.

Decided to just do it as an experiment and holy f, after 2 months of it, I felt like a completely changed person. More positive and energetic, less anxiety and fearful of certain situations (*cough* meeting girls), surprisingly even gained weight, maintained muscle mass, use the bathroom less (went from a lot of stomach problems to almost NIL), don't need as much sleep (which is weird since I'm aging), notice better skin as well. The no dairy+eggs component helped tremendously too since I'm lactose intolerant anyway.

Honestly, it's changed my life and I recommend whoever may be interested to just try it out for a week. If you like it, stretch it out further to a month. If you don't like it, go back to your previous diet.

I did a straight vegan diet for almost two years... these were my observations...

Good

- Lost weight relatively easily
- Learned how to cook a bunch of crazy tasty shit using only vegetables (everyone should own a vegan cookbook)
- Cooked all the time
- Ate a lot of vegetables and even joined a farm share
- Learned a lot about the environment, ecosystems, sustainable farming, etc.

Bad

- Got really bad inflammation, and even developed carpal tunnel syndrome in my left hand
- Low libido and low T
- Made every single meal out a pain in the ass, whether it be a ballgame, family dinner, or a date (why yes, I do know that french fries cooked in vegetable oil are "vegan" but that does not make them healthy)
- Was a total weakling at the gym
- Having to explain why I do not choose to eat certain foods at just about every single social event. (Though I still sort of have to do this when declining donuts, cake, etc.)

What works best for me is a modified pescatarian diet, with some meat in moderation. Zero dairy due to lactose intolerance. I cook with ghee, olive oil, and good lard.

When I go out, I'll usually order from the fish or salad end of things. I feel better when I eat meat and a certain amount of saturated fat. I try and cook with a lot of coconut oil and bone broth.

In my opinion, vegan diets are way better than a standard American diet (muffins, McDonalds, pasta, etc.), but I don't think they hold up to paleo diet, particularly for males.

Your milage may vary.

Quote: (12-10-2017 06:28 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Your milage may vary.

Not to mention my roughage.

Quote: (11-15-2017 04:41 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  

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. You might be at a party when there are no other options. You have something there. From there, the wheels come off.

I also try to follow a vegan diet (with exception of occasional dairy and eggs), but I try to keep it a secret, i.e. at a party or on a date I can have meat/fish, if there are no other options, but I don't allow the wheels to come off, and next day I continue with the diet.

I've read that it is specified in contracts with fashion models, they have to adhere to a vegetarian diet, as meat ages you faster.

A thought that struck me recently is that the Manosphere isn't necessarily anti-vegan per se, but anti-hypocrite, feminist tool, which is what I've found a lot of these types of folks to be.

Quote: (12-12-2017 12:53 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  

A thought that struck me recently is that the Manosphere isn't necessarily anti-vegan per se, but anti-hypocrite, feminist tool, which is what I've found a lot of these types of folks to be.

Totally agree with this. If I don't know you're a Vegan and you don't tell me you're a Vegan then things are absolutely fine.

The problem is most Vegans use it to signal a general holier than thou load of bullshit. I almost think that diets should be added to politics, sex and income, don't talk about it.

The funny thing that gets lost in the "Vegan wars", is they're 90% right.

If you eat a 90% raw foods diet, with some organ meats and fish(low mercury types like Herring) thrown in on occasion most guys would have better blood work on that diet.

Quote: (12-11-2017 12:53 AM)Filbert Wrote:  

...meat ages you faster.

Source?

What you eat affects your mood, scientists say

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“Young adults who ate meat (red or white) less than three times a week and exercised less than three times week showed a significant mental distress,” Begdache, an assistant professor of health and wellness studies at Binghamton University, adds in a press release.
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For extra emotional support for the 30-and-over set, Begdache suggests laying off simple carbs and coffee: “Our ability to regulate stress [with age] decreases, so if we consume food that activates the stress response (such as coffee and too many carbohydrates), we are more likely to experience mental distress,” she says.

I disagree about coffee--it may result in significant emotional distress for those who try to take it away from my cold, emotionless, merciless, apathetic hands.

Quote: (11-09-2017 11:54 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

@JayR, i'd be curious to see what your labs say after a 6 month diet change. Please get this checked again and post when you do. It's the only way to ensure your diet change actually worked.

Bumping thread after 6.5 months as promised. On the WFPB diet, my lipid labs were as follows:

Total Chol: 138 (down from 203)
HDL: 58 (down from 74)
LDL: 59 (down from 115)
Chol/HDL Ratio: 2.4 (Down from 2.7)

Weight is still at 165, same as when I posted last, but my body fat is down another .5% to 12.5%.

The only thing I still crave is plain, thin crust, Bronx-style cheese pizza. I've actually had dreams about it.

Quote: (12-13-2017 11:14 AM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

Quote: (12-11-2017 12:53 AM)Filbert Wrote:  

...meat ages you faster.

Source?

Red meat

"Fatty meat generates free radicals," says Dr. Ostad. Free radicals are in search of missing electrons, they snag electrons from healthy cells, damaging them in the process. This damage ultimately affects your skin's ability to protect itself and generate collagen.

Processed meats

Think: Deli meat, sausage, and bacon. "Many of these meats have sulfites and other preservatives, which can trigger inflammation in the skin, and accelerate the appearance of aging," says Dr. Ostad. They also tend to be high in salt, which can make you look puffy. (Not to mention, processed red meats have been linked to heart disease.)

Charred meat

That black char on your burger? It may contain pro-inflammatory hydrocarbons, which could present a problem since inflammation breaks down the collagen in your skin, explains Dr. Ostad. You don't necessarily need to banish BBQ from your vocab, but at least make sure you scrape off the black stuff, and clean the grill afterward so you don't contaminate your next meal

Source: http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,...ed-meats-2

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I've read, from a source I couldn't locate, that fashion models have a clause in their contracts prohibiting them to eat meat, stating that it ages people.

Not sure if posted earlier but I saw a recent mention about related research:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/beer-makes...perm-count

Meat and beer improve sperm count and birth rates. Fruity vegetarian or vegan diets show reduced sperm counts and lower birth rates. Oh, coffee also not good for fertility.

Blood type, individual genetic markers, and food sensitivity testing are your best tools to determine what foods are beneficial, neutral, or harmful for you. Some people may do well with vegetarian diets individually, but on the whole it seems the most masculine men won't be vegans / vegetarians.

I'll stick to the paleo/carnivore diet... Holy hell...

Quote: (12-10-2013 11:42 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Sorry, man, but I have to say it.
Vegans are...just...

Vegans are a bunch of faggot feminists. And they are proud of it.

I don't identify as part of the manosphere but I got some stories to share. General theme is a fair amount of them are crazy and the lack of B vitamins probably has a role in all this.

At one of my jobs in the food industry I had a customer I nicknamed "Depressed Vegan Lady". Everytime my coworkers or I would serve her food she would dip her head. One of my coworkers made the mistake of touching meat in front of her and she got mad. We all thought this tiny 4'11'' chick would jump over the counter and karate kick my coworker.

Another guy I used to serve would only come in on discount days and dick everyone around for more savings. Eventually management kicked him out of the store since part of his spiel is soliciting customers for money. I eventually found out this MFer worked as a street performer and we all had a laugh about it.

There was this one gay geriatric who would come in 10 minutes before closing time and order this high maintenance order. He was super picky about everything but since he has been a customer for years management didn't ban him. "Princess" would always come alone and it's not a surprise he has a hard time finding a mate.

Funny story. A friend of mine from work was vegan for about a year, went back to being vegetarian because she liked the taste of eggs.

Her vegan "friends' basically bullied her on her social media with comments like "I'm so glad we aren't friends anymore. I'm a vegan and you're not a vegan anymore". Seemed legit from what I could tell.

Shit like that while it is funny, it's also mostly just a product of being fucked in the head.

Vegans and vegetarians only "feel great" on their diet because it's hypocaloric as all hell. It is essentially a plant modified muscle wasting fast.

No shit people "feel great" on it. For the first time ever your brain is flying high on ketones. For somebody with a lifetime of insulin resistance in body tissues and the brain, it's the most liberating and energetic sensation out there, better that cocaine.

When eldritch inflammatory plant fats are added to the diet in order to increase calories and prevent tissue loss it causes heart disease at higher rates than the standard american diet. The alternative is eating popcorn buckets of rice and beans which is a fast track to diabetes.

That's some bro-science right there, tho ^^^ Without some serious references, I'll just ignore all that. I'm in the medical profession, by the way, so it's not like I don't know what you're trying to say.

I've been a vegetarian for over half my life. I love cheese but it doesn't always love me, so I have always had to try to moderate it. I detest drinking milk from animals, always have. I love to cook and bake and have gotten quite good at it over the years. I'm stronger and fitter than the majority of dudes half my age. I owe some of that to genetics, no doubt about it, but I put a lot of time in the gym, as well.

I remember the last time I ate meat, was a big pile of general tsao chicken (or wtf it's called) at the Chinese buffet. Was like a two pound brick in my stomach. I've never felt that bad ever again.

I can accept vegetarianism since quite a few societies have subsisted on it. I'm thinking of the Indian wrestlers and stuff.

Veganism is just like eating virtue signaling. It looks good to everyone around you but you can't really survive that way. Not to mention, Vegans, 99% of the time, look like garbage. I have a friend who went vegan and he's aging so poorly it's sad.

The only time a vegan looks good is when they're on boatloads of steroids and powders so they can actually look like a real man.

There's that Vegan strongman who is probably roided out of his mind.

Vegans are trying to smother their conscience.

People have been eating meat for thousands of years. Society was built by meat eaters.

Put it this way, if you eat a vegan diet for a long enough time period (without artificial supplements), then you will die. That is nature's way of saying "eat meat."

Well, that's just the thing. Veganism does not exist without artificial shit. Vegans talk about how unhealthy Meat is but you look at the foods these people eat and it's all these fucking chemicals! Vegan beef? It's fucking soy + a bunch of taste and texturizer chemicals. How the fuck is this healthier than eating the food from earth? It's honestly baffling that these people have convinced sizeable swathes of the population that their frankenfood is healthier than meat.

I've never met a vegan who looked fit or strong. Don't post photos of some random vegan bodybuilder, please. We all know those dudes built their physiques on real food and the went vegan down the line to push supplement lines.

That's like one-in-a-million. There are also virtually no serious contenders in any hard-hitting sport who are vegans. That tells me enough.

Ignorance.

Quote: (04-24-2019 10:20 PM)Solitaire Wrote:  

I remember the last time I ate meat, was a big pile of general tsao chicken (or wtf it's called) at the Chinese buffet. Was like a two pound brick in my stomach. I've never felt that bad ever again.

General Tso’s chicken from a Chinese buffet is your example of why meat is bad?

So you’ve got chopped up, boneless chicken. It’s coated in a heavy, flour based batter. Then it’s deep fried in vegetable oil. Then it’s covered in a sugary syrup. And it’s typically served with white rice which is really about as healthy as plain white flour or sugar. Your pancreas won’t tell the difference. And since it was served at a buffet, there’s a good chance it was seasoned with MSG. (Most Chinese restaurants have stopped using MSG, however many Chinese buffets continue to use it because:
1. It acts as a short term food preservative on steam tables.
2. It greatly enhances the flavor and makes you thirsty.
3. It can cause a bloated, full feeling in people so they don’t eat as much.)

But you blame the feeling of having a brick in your stomach on the chicken itself with little or no acknowledgement of where you ate it and how it was prepared? It’s 50% sugar and starch, but the problem is chicken?

Quote: (04-24-2019 07:27 PM)flanders Wrote:  

Vegans and vegetarians only "feel great" on their diet because it's hypocaloric as all hell. It is essentially a plant modified muscle wasting fast.

No shit people "feel great" on it. For the first time ever your brain is flying high on ketones. For somebody with a lifetime of insulin resistance in body tissues and the brain, it's the most liberating and energetic sensation out there, better that cocaine.

When eldritch inflammatory plant fats are added to the diet in order to increase calories and prevent tissue loss it causes heart disease at higher rates than the standard american diet. The alternative is eating popcorn buckets of rice and beans which is a fast track to diabetes.

I think your facts are a bit off here. Vegans and vegetarians feel great when they first start because most eliminate heavily processed dirty food at the beginning. Their brains aren’t flying high on ketones. They’re flying high on sugar. As someone who remains in almost constant ketosis, I can tell you the presence of ketones does not make me high.

But I do agree that plant fats and oils are inflammatory.