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04-02-2019, 05:37 PM
The US burned its international goodwill in Iraq/Libya/Syria, it's hard to invoke the Monroe Doctrine on one hand, when it's been violated it with all those interventions. The idea behind the Monroe Doctrine was that old world powers would leave the US alone in the western hemisphere as long as the US stayed out of the old world.
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I am pretty sure that ISIS has been defeated by a combination of both, air strikes, and protracted infantry combat. Though I am no specialist of the Syrian subject, I have read and heard that without airstrikes, ISIS would not have been defeated.
So um, who's gonna be doing the protracted infantry combat in Venezuela?
If John Rambo is unavailable, then nobody. Hence the missile through Nicolas' palatial window.
Reportedly, Abrams and co are putting together a group of mercenaries from El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua to roll south. A bit like the Syria gameplan, where the US/NATO put together a jihadi force to invade that country as early as 2010. Not sure how effective this will be in Venezuela...
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04-02-2019, 08:41 PM
China and Russia continue supporting Venezuela in its preparations for an American-Brazilian-Colombian invasion. Chinese army arrives in Venezuela just days after the Russian miltary.
A group of Chinese soldiers arrived in Venezuela on Sunday as part of a cooperation program between Beijing and Caracas.
According to reports, more than 120 soldiers from the Chinese People’s Liberation Army arrived at Venezuela’s Margarita Island to deliver humanitarian aid and military supplies to the government forces.
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04-02-2019, 10:53 PM
Russia and China putting their soldiers there as a sort of human shield is a smart strategy, though I hope those guys are at least getting time-and-a-half. Bombing a foreign nation to shit is one thing but it's entirely different if foreign nationals from important countries end up in the line of fire.
Trump getting pissy about it is proof that it's effective. I expect the Israelis in the Whitehouse will try to maneuver him into unleashing his pent up aggression on Venezuela. If for some reason he decided to deploy the troops to the southern border then nothing would happen at all, but be sure that the second he gives the go-ahead to mess with Venezuela the MIC will race beyond his control at lightning speed.
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04-02-2019, 11:03 PM
This reminds me of the NYT editorial cartoon where they implied that the average American soldier wants to enlist to fight in the middle east, not to protect their borders. One of the more blatant (yet painfully common) projections of neocon dogma in the MSM...
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Especially true of the Byzantine Empire. After its sack by the 4th Crusade. Never recovered ever again.
Just to be factual it was the longest running empire by centuries (300-1453) in the modern era, and nothing is close. Yet most people don't know nearly a single thing about it.
The Celestial Empire of China run nearly twice as long, some might say it's still going strong today, with that country on the brink of becoming the world's greatest power... They've invested $6 trillion into building and securing their economic and commercial infrastructure, while the US has squandered that same gigantic amount into (((mideastern wars))) with nothing to show for but colossal debt.
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04-03-2019, 07:22 AM
The US has no money to conduct a war and a war that wont be won easily. So what $$ amount are we looking at here long term? There is a lot of push from Western oil companies, banksters and military suppliers on this so I expect whatever bill is given to Uncle Sam it could be a trillion or more?
Add that to the already gargantuan debt the US has and all of it isn't taking into account the end result of turning yet another country into a sock puppet.
If they go the merc route it will fail badly. Syria before the war was peaceful and then it all went to shit. Venezuela is already in deep shit and the last thing you'd want is a three-way fight for the country.
The ultra violence already prevalent there is out in the open so I dont know what a conflict would add except rocket fuel.
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04-08-2019, 07:04 PM
The situation has now massively changed, even though most in the media seem not to have noticed.
What happened is, the USA have slapped heavy sanctions on the boats and companies that carry Venezuela's oil to Cuba.
For Cuba it is a terrifying blow, as the island needs the oil for its cars and trucks, and for re-selling it on the global market.
The US had been reluctant to move in this direction for reasons that I have discussed earlier on this thread (mainly, fear of Cuban "refugees"), but now it is apparently a done deal: the petrol will stop flowing towards Cuba.
It shows by the way that I was quite right in (modestly) "advising" on this thread our islander friends to "terminate" Maduro and deal with J. Guaido (or another man if the right decision had been taken months earlier, before Guaido's rise) instead. Now, Cuba is stuck with radioactive-asset Maduro and the oil will stop flowing.
So, well, what it means is: first, the US are using the death-by-multiple-cuts against Maduro. Secondly, Cuba will have to drop Maduro and strike a discreet deal with J. Guaido and the US. A deal that would maintain some, enough, oil shipments to Cuba, with Guaido accepting to honor some of the current contracts.
In exchange, Cuba will quite possibly have to recall or rein-in their (allegedly) 22.000 soldiers or intel officers currently propping up Maduro. Matter of fact, Maduro has already guessed that, and therefore has replaced his Cuban bodyguards by Russian bodyguards, but, it will probably not suffice.
And so, one could guess that soon the Cuban soldiers and officers will sort-of stand down or just stop being efficient in Venezuela, and therefore Maduro and his 1500 Russian helpers in Venezuela could find themselves isolated and extremely vulnerable.
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04-08-2019, 07:24 PM
If I was the president I would be telling Brazil and Colombia to starve out the venezuelan military then go in there and split the country down the middle amongst themselves with weapons we sell them. Absolutely no need for a single us soldier on the ground.
Colombia should declare their own version of a national emergency and take San Cristobal. They'd have an easy sell to their citizens the narrative being restoring the Colombia of the 1890s when Colombia included Venezuela Panama and Ecuador. Another 6 months of the soldiers eating garbage and there will be no resistance. Merida after that.
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04-08-2019, 09:22 PM
All the countries down south have already said they've got no interest in war with Venezuela, though.
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04-11-2019, 04:48 PM
^^ Apples and oranges man, this is like saying the US can't invade Iraq or Syria because Chicago and Detroit are violent shitholes. The favela situation is due to endemic problems and political unwill from state governors to squeeze the criminal scum
Don't believe me? Look up the Haiti mission, we dealt with their thugs and left that miserable country a little better than it was before, starving commie soldiers won't be really much different
The reason Brazil and the rest of South America hesitates to invade Venezuela is not due to strength.
Brazil's main weak point is the air force, which we could easily compensate with a little Yankee hand, and then there is the Russia's and China's meddling, but I doubt they have the will and capability to project so much force so far alway from home
Anything just give them Syria, Ukraine and/or North Korea to shut their mouths
Reality is: We just don't like war, never had a real one in a long time; and most importantly, there is little to gain from so much money burnt, our crooked media is trying to destabilize Bolsonaro's government and our economy is not that good yet
The upside would be some oil and a controversial political victory? Yeah, fuck that shit, I agree
But Venezuela only tends to get worse, we and Colombia already had skirmishes involving refugee protesters and Chavista soldiers at our borders, more events like this and Maduro bullshitery could force our hand
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04-12-2019, 10:49 AM
South America is riddled with narco-gangs that operate as paramilitary organisations, and that's during peace time.
Fat, comfortable Americans don't have the slightest clue why their invasions into third world shitholes always end up a total clusterfuck.
They think "if I would rather sit on my ass and eat Cheetos than fight a war then surely dirt people will also sit on their ass and eat Cheetos rather than fight a war."
How about some foreigner drops a 250 pound bomb on your Dad for having the audacity to stand within a hundred yards of a military checkpoint?
Would you put your fucking Cheetos down for that?
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04-13-2019, 07:19 AM
Enjoying the thread, just out of curosity has anyone posting here been to Venezeula in the past 5 years? I am not one to pretend to have any of the answer's on how to resolve this matter it's a royal mess. However, being there on the ground and interacting in the daily life you get another perspective most dont, can't but hope this shit gets resolved soon.