I thought you were talking about chinese women, not Indian.

https://youtu.be/yFnpL42KqUE

Beer is making some valid points, and I don’t think it’s about self limiting beliefs on his part.

The minorities communities in the forum really need to address this issue comprehensively.

While this is a problem, esp for us asian and indian guys whose girls sometimes do this, its offset to some degree by the fact there are more girls of other races that are now open to us. Girls are more open now than ever, maybe only us older guys can realize this. 15 years ago when I was in college there were way fewer girls open to us.

For what it is worth -If you are Asian or South East Asian there are Hundreds of millions of women to pick from, if there are a few that prefer white dudes-you still have hundreds of millions to choose from.

Quote: (02-09-2019 08:20 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

What are your thoughts?

Would you date or marry a girl that hates men of her own background?

My thoughts = these thoughts on this thread reeks of too much scarcity mentality. No need to think about this shit

I concur with Graft on the point that there is no need to immediately jump to the "jaded MGTOW/incel reaching for an external racial answer" explanation as females having increasingly specific preferences with regards to men which may or may not exclude men from a similar genetic background is a thing that happens with varying (depending on factors like location, familial pressure, language, religion, etc.) percentages of women of all races. There are white girls who prefer black guys, black girls who prefer white guys, Asian girls who prefer Middle Eastern guys, and so on and there is no reason we should not be able to talk about it, if only to figure out how we can each increase as much as possible our own odds of securing the sort of female company we desire.

Women have physical preferences just as men do but I think this has only become so much more visible in our current era than in previous ones largely because, unlike men, the things women have historically primarily sought were things other than pure aesthetics (wealth, social status, intelligence, humor, etc.) and women tended historically, largely due to lack of effective birth control prior to the 1960s (later in non-Western countries), to get married very young and so likely learned to love the one they married instead of marry the one they loved for the most part. Additionally, because most women were, historically, entirely dependent upon the men near them (father, brother, husband, etc.) for their economic survival and security, the non-aesthetic factors played a larger role in attraction than they do now because the wealth and security (most easily found within their birth community instead of rolling the dice with some random outsider whom nobody she knows watched grow up or knows anything about) needed to be secured first. Historically, getting with an outsider also nearly inevitably meant leaving the place of her birth and probably very rarely if ever seeing or speaking to anyone she knew ever again. This is obviously no longer the case as most people can afford to visit at least occasionally and you can text and video chat 24/7 for free through numerous apps and websites.

The stories I've heard from older men who went to Thailand decades ago when it was still an impoverished backwater vs. the stories I hear from guys who go there now attest to this as Thai women, while many are still gold diggers to be sure, appear to be more concerned with aesthetics and less concerned purely with financial wealth than they generally were several decades ago. This is because, as Thailand has become wealthier and women have entered the professional workplace and universities there, women have learned to take it as a given that, in the absence of a man to provide for her material well-being, she will be able to secure wealth and safety on her own. With those two bases covered, aesthetics, status, and charisma move up the priority hierarchy and assume the top position for many women. This same change has taken place in every "developed" country as well. I am only using Thailand as an example because the change occurred very rapidly there.

Historically, women almost never used to have sex with strangers purely for fun without pay (something Thai women are famous for now) because there was no reliable birth control. Now, with effectively no real consequences (even if she gets knocked up, she will not be socially ostracized and the finances will be handled by someone else) and the near guarantee of financial and physical security for life whether or not they marry or reproduce, why would women not default to purely physical and social (status and charisma) attraction factors?

So, when women are largely or completely free of social, financial, and security constraints to pursue basically whoever can successfully make them blush, it is inevitable that we will discover that women can be just as choosy as men (if not more so due to the fact that they can generally be more choosy and don't have to pursue as men do but only swipe left or right) when it comes to aesthetics and "aesthetics" for some will inevitably include traits which are uncommon are nonexistent in members of their own ethnic or racial group. Because of this, some women will prefer to date out if they have the choice and, if they have the choice, why would they waste their time pursuing or dealing with any men other than those who tick their boxes?

Any woman who is even mildly attractive (objectively speaking) has men available to her 100% of every hour until she hits the wall. With that being the case, if a woman, for example, a woman has identified men with light eye colors as her ideal and those men are 20% of the men available to her, why would she spend time on the other 80%? Likewise, if another girl from her same race has identified jet black hair and dark eyes (very rare among white people) as her ideal and 20% of the men available to her are that, why would she deal with white guys?

Further, with the unprecedented ease of movement and contact that we as a species now are experiencing, it has never been easier for both men and women to develop increasingly more specific romantic preferences. For instance, a white girl who prefers black guys might not just prefer black guys. She may specifically prefer black guys who are muscular and bald. If such guys represent even 10% of the men available to her, that is enough men to take up all of her time and energy. Naturally, she will tend to dedicate all or at least the majority of her time and energy to them. Why would she bother dealing seriously with any other kind of black guy or, even farther away, a guy who is not even black?

Men are not vastly different in this regard. I, for example, tend to prefer, as my ideal, women who have features like dark eyes, brown/black/yellow skin, jet black hair, etc. These are obviously traits which are very rare or naturally non-existent in white women. For that reason, I tend not to spend any time or effort pursuing white women and essentially ignore them. This isn't because I don't think they are pretty or that I wouldn't bang one if she threw herself at me. It just means that I have other options available to me which I consider to be better for me personally and so I elect to focus my efforts in that direction.

I could get more niche with this by saying that I prefer women who have even more specific traits in addition to these such as my preference for fuller lips, long hair, less pointy noses, rounder faces, straight teeth, and passports other than the one I have because I know that, if something long-term happens, I don't want to even run the risk of an American divorce or having the "let's move back to the US to be closer to my parents" argument (this could also be a factor with women who don't want to move back to the old country and see whatever type of guy as representing a guarantee that they will never have to do that). This is only considering physical traits and we could get even more niche if we start listing LTR qualifiers (stuff that matters if the female is not just a FWB, ONS, or spinning plate that I am not considering for anything long term) like religious background, language(s) spoken, preferred foods, preferred recreational activities, and so on.

If I didn't have any options and lived in an era in which I had no knowledge of what other sorts of women existed in other parts of the world and was essentially guaranteed to live my entire life and die less than 300 miles from the place of my birth, I could see myself being a lot less selective than I am, but I do have options and I don't live in such an era.

Though this is so, if an objectively attractive blonde American white girl throws herself at me and I don't have to put forth any effort on my end, I'm game and I am unlikely to turn her away just because she's not my absolute ideal (though I won't consider her for an LTR because of the passport thing I mentioned). However, if there were two women throwing themselves at me simultaneously, with one being the blonde American and the other being a black, Asian, Indian, or other woman who was equally attractive objectively speaking (in shape, good skin, etc.), I would most likely choose the non-white woman because, all things such as fitness being the same, she probably has more of the genetic traits that I prefer. This does not mean I'm a self-hating white guy who criticizes other white guys for having "white gaze" or anything stupid like that and nor does it mean that white women aren't as objectively attractive as anyone other kind of woman when they put in the same effort to be. It only means that I personally, for some reason, biological or otherwise, find myself more attracted to traits which are mostly if not entirely dissimilar to my own.

I'm going to Europe this month so I am probably going to be mostly surrounded by white women. If there are non-white women, I'd likely prefer to get with them but, if there aren't, don't expect me to be completely alone the whole time I'm there. There's a difference between being a self-loathing auto-racist and just being a xenophile who likes Europe and Greek philosophy but who also likes epicanthic folds and women who don't get sunburned.

Anyway, all this said, I will reiterate what I mentioned before: Just as there are blonde white women who prefer black or Latin guys, there are blonde white women who prefer white guys with green eyes. Going further, there are blonde white girls who prefer white guys with green eyes who also happen to be from a particular country. In the same way, there are girls, both Indian and other, from all over the world who specifically prefer Desi guys with a particular kind of style as their ideal (especially if they've watched Bollywood or they are into yoga or something). You may not be the mala-wearing yoga guy or the leather jacket and sunglass-wearing Bollywood bad boy but the yoga girls and Bollywood fans are definitely already primed for your arrival as long as you can play the game right just as the black and Asian girls who enjoy the comedic stylings of Bill Burr and the scenic landscapes of Frozen are primed for mine. Basically, I think it is generally wise to identify and work a niche. 100% of your success does not necessarily have to come from that niche alone but that niche can be your primary focus.

Again, these are just my own thoughts so I could be off and take it all with a grain of salt.

Quote: (02-11-2019 11:43 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

For what it is worth -If you are Asian or South East Asian there are Hundreds of millions of women to pick from, if there are a few that prefer white dudes-you still have hundreds of millions to choose from.

The cup runneth over

Quote: (02-10-2019 04:54 PM)Graft Wrote:  

Quote: (02-10-2019 04:09 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Quote: (02-10-2019 12:24 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

a beer is enough seems to post a lot of self-limiting beliefs in the game section because of his Indian background, which in my humble opinion is not helpful to anyone coming here for self-improvement and help from other men, even if some of his posts carry a small bit of truth.

Let's not go around making stuff up because you disagree with me and if you can't address the point, then don't even bother posting on the thread. I don't get the deal with guys shooting the messenger just as I fail to understand how any thread I post becomes more about me and less about the topic at hand.

You are mistaking me for someone else, whenever there is someone whining about race and how easy whites have it, I am at the forefront of telling them to man the fuck up. I am the last guy of anyone pushing any limiting beliefs on race on anyone, not sure where you are pulling this.

If you want to debate the point instead of making it personal, let me know. If you have a problem, PM me instead of derailing a thread others are actually getting good discussion from. Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of the fact that any thread I post is more about me and less about the content, what happened? I don't get it.

It's stupid to gang up on Beer because he made a thread or two about racial economics in dating. We should be able to have a discussion about the harsh realities of race when it comes to dating.

It's easy for me to ignore this issue because as a white guy, the only times we really see this are with white girls going for black guys and those prospects are laughable.

My experience with the Desi community was that the combination of British colonization, American media, and skin color caste system created a white pedestalization in both males and females. This is something that cannot be ignored if you're a brown guy. They have a decent sized portion of their culture dating exclusively outside of their race.

Likewise, the black community seems to have a shortage of quiet and submissive women in their culture so if that's what they like, they need to date outside.

If guys want to vent about legitimate problems that come up in the game then let them be.

You must have missed this one too.

thread-69375-page-3.html

Anyways, the second you start not thinking about racial shit in your dating life, you'll be far more successful.

If a woman doesn't want to date her own race, thank god for that with white women, or all the brown guys here would be dipping their dick in some ugly ass fucking pussy

I have never met a hot woman who refuses to date within her own ethnicity. Those women always have access to the best men that her ethnicity have to offer, they don't have any dating problem. However, mediocre minority women may have this tendency, because they have no chance of dating the top men from their own group, and like most women these days, they loathe dating the average men of their group that they would be normally matched with. If they date out, then they might be able to date up.

Asian girls who are fat, mousy, can't cook, too thin or too tanned may have this tendency to declare that they only date white guys, no Asian. It's kinda a sour grape situation because Asian guys who have their shit together would never consider them anyway. Honestly those girls would be better off getting one of those unsuspecting white guys (preferably Australian) who has no idea he's getting a bum deal from an Asian perspective, but is still happier than pig in shit because she's probably well under the weight class of white girls he can attract and doesn't burn the house down while cooking dinner.

I don’t think they refuse to date within their race, but most likely be dating outside their race.

https://instagram.com/mich8lee?utm_sourc...njqdwijf48

Take this girl for example, she is a presenter for Astro sports in Malaysia, and she is not dating within her race. She could be dating a successful Malay Chinese or Malay Indian, plenty of those in KL right ?

So this argument that: only ugly girls that are unwanted by successful men of their race date outside is invalid. Sure there are some fat girls who date out but that’s only a portion of those girls.

Obviously many factors come into play in this, including her work environment etc.

Quote: (02-12-2019 12:52 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

I don’t think they refuse to date within their race, but most likely be dating outside their race.

https://instagram.com/mich8lee?utm_sourc...njqdwijf48

Take this girl for example, she is a presenter for Astro sports in Malaysia, and she is not dating within her race. She could be dating a successful Malay Chinese or Malay Indian, plenty of those in KL right ?

So this argument that: only ugly girls that are unwanted by successful men of their race date outside is invalid. Sure there are some fat girls who date out but that’s only a portion of those girls.

Obviously many factors come into play in this, including her work environment etc.

Yeah, I don't agree with this argument either. It's similar to arguments like 'all guys successful on tinder are banging trash' or 'guys who bang girls in third world countries are just banging whores or gold diggers'. It's probably an ego-protecting argument, reminiscent of Aesop's fable 'The Fox and the Grapes'.

A notable example of physically attractive (albeit trashy) and enormously successful women who date interracially are the Kardashians.

I know from experience that some Asian women who dislike men of their own race are definitely attractive by Western standards (although the locals might think they're 'too tanned'). And it's common to see Asian men with unattractive Asian women so the idea that they have these massively high standards and white men have none is a bit laughable. Let's not forget there is a huge surplus of males in China and India (which probably has effects on the regional SMP as well), so in some ways women in Asia are in even higher demand than those in the West.

I never said that only ugly girls date out. But if a girl says that she would never date a guy of her own race, she's not gonna be an attractive one.

Haha. Doutzen Kroes only dates black men. Is she conventionally unattractive?

Another phenomenon is that women who refuse to go for men of their own also happen to stick to men who share a similar background over the years.

This is frequent in my experience. I’ve landed a fair number of girls who exclusively dated my ethnicity and observed many girls from my ethnicity who will exclusively go for men outside their background. The funny thing is that these girls will stick to the same ethnicity over the years with some good consistency. It’s easy to spot them, over the first conversations she will make some reference to something unique to your own culture. Some information that a girl who wasn’t brought up in the culture would know about. Another observation is once you spend more time with her, she will complain quite often about her ethnicity, family behavior... I observed this with the girls I have been seeing but also with a family friend who was exclusively dating outside her background coming to the West at a young age.

She ended up marrying outside her background. I am glad her marriage was successful despite the odds. Now, the thing is this person would always give me this appearance of openness, being non-judgemental very progressive but at times she would have some straight up racist self-loathing comment toward her own background. Fast forward to 20 years later, her daughter is going out with a guy from the same country as her mothers. She’s pressuring her to leave him because he is from THAT country. Never mind she is from THAT country. I ask myself Isn’t that straight up racism? Frankly, it’s not the kind of women I’d want to settle with.


Also, I'd be more worried if I have a girl like that honestly. Not because I am against interracial marriage. It can be successful (just requires more will). I feel like girls who share this self-loathing mentality contribute to the destruction of their background culture. That's what racism toward your own people does. No thanks! I would like my kids to know about their culture, to be proud of it. I wouldn't want to destroy it. Different backgrounds, different cultures, different viewpoints... This is the balance we have in this world. Alas, some people want to convince us to adopt another definition to the word diversity.


Another question I ask what leads a woman from X background to exclusively date guys from Y background over the years? And rarely divert.

Quote: (02-12-2019 09:22 AM)Snag87 Wrote:  

Haha. Doutzen Kroes only dates black men. Is she conventionally unattractive?

Does she publicly say that white men suck and that's why she only dates black men? I doubt it. I think she just prefers black men.

There is nothing wrong with preferences. I prefer white girls, my dating history is full of them, but I have no problem with Asians, blacks or Latinas. I never say stupid self-loathing shit like Asian girls suck, I'd never date them.

A woman who hates men from her own ethnicity and says she would never date them is broken in so many ways, at the very least she would have severe daddy issues. Not only that, she would not have been around the more attractive men of her ethnicity, and therefore it's reasonable to conclude that she can't possibly be attractive, because hot women are always around the best men their social circles have to offer.

Well now you've expanded. Your original comment merely said girls who refuse to date guys of own ethnicity.

Nah that has not changed at all, I explained further so you could understand. Girls who *refuse* to date guys of their own ethnicity are not the same as girls who date guys outside of their own ethnicity. Look, if a woman turns down a man from her own background who is a top tiered eligible man, good looking, has his shits together etc. then she's either fucked up beyond recognition, or has never had the opportunity to meet such a man in the first place (meaning she's not attractive) and is just talking trash out of self-hatred. A woman who happens to date men outside of her ethnicity that she finds attractive is very different.

A VS model doesn't have the opportunity to meet top tier men?

You should work on basic reading comprehension then.

Quote: (02-12-2019 12:06 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Asian girls who are fat, mousy, can't cook, too thin or too tanned may have this tendency to declare that they only date white guys, no Asian. It's kinda a sour grape situation because Asian guys who have their shit together would never consider them anyway. Honestly those girls would be better off getting one of those unsuspecting white guys (preferably Australian) who has no idea he's getting a bum deal from an Asian perspective, but is still happier than pig in shit because she's probably well under the weight class of white girls he can attract and doesn't burn the house down while cooking dinner.

THIS!!!

I've talked about my sister before. She is beastly fat... over 300lbs... and has a hormone issue because of being fat that causes her to grow a beard. Consequently, SHE ONLY DATES BLACK MEN.

She could exclusively date white men if she wanted... but they would be very low quality dudes. Instead she can score fit attractive men if she dyes her hair blond and chases men that worship light skin tones.

Now... Hot girls will absolutely date rich, powerful, celebrity style men from other ethnic backgrounds.

There are some other factors. A girl who wants to get out of her own culture will try to date men of a culture they want to be involved with.

Quote: (02-13-2019 07:07 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (02-12-2019 12:06 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Asian girls who are fat, mousy, can't cook, too thin or too tanned may have this tendency to declare that they only date white guys, no Asian. It's kinda a sour grape situation because Asian guys who have their shit together would never consider them anyway. Honestly those girls would be better off getting one of those unsuspecting white guys (preferably Australian) who has no idea he's getting a bum deal from an Asian perspective, but is still happier than pig in shit because she's probably well under the weight class of white girls he can attract and doesn't burn the house down while cooking dinner.

THIS!!!

I've talked about my sister before. She is beastly fat... over 300lbs... and has a hormone issue because of being fat that causes her to grow a beard. Consequently, SHE ONLY DATES BLACK MEN.

She could exclusively date white men if she wanted... but they would be very low quality dudes. Instead she can score fit attractive men if she dyes her hair blond and chases men that worship light skin tones.

Now... Hot girls will absolutely date rich, powerful, celebrity style men from other ethnic backgrounds.

There are some other factors. A girl who wants to get out of her own culture will try to date men of a culture they want to be involved with.

I don't agree with Tom Leykis on everything as I don't agree with anyone on everything but he makes some interesting observations and points on this subject.

Quote: (02-13-2019 07:07 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (02-12-2019 12:06 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Asian girls who are fat, mousy, can't cook, too thin or too tanned may have this tendency to declare that they only date white guys, no Asian. It's kinda a sour grape situation because Asian guys who have their shit together would never consider them anyway. Honestly those girls would be better off getting one of those unsuspecting white guys (preferably Australian) who has no idea he's getting a bum deal from an Asian perspective, but is still happier than pig in shit because she's probably well under the weight class of white girls he can attract and doesn't burn the house down while cooking dinner.

THIS!!!

Overall, I think this has to do with parenting. What do parents want for their kids.


If your (not directed to anyone in particular) culture and background are important to you, you have to teach your kids about it so they don’t end up self-loathing their own people. Ideally you want to let your kids grow within your culture and expose them as much as you can to your culture and people from your background. This is essential if your background is something you deem important.

I observed many women from background X dating guys from background Y over the years. Interestingly, their first boyfriend is almost all the time from background Y. My easiest lays came from girls wo would have some insider information about my own culture. I suppose they had some pre-conceived positive ideas about me before I even approached them. Then, it’s easy to move to a relationship when the girl already has positive ideas about your background plus some game. More often than not these girls have low SMV but I don’t think it’s the reason that leads them to stick to seeing guys from background Y during all their dating years. As there are plenty of guys from their own culture with an SMV a little bit higher than theirs. I know a girl who is from my background and who is cheating on her husband with a guy from a similar background to her first boyfriend. This girl is average and she met guys from background Y at a relatively young age. As a matter of fact her first boyfriend was from background Y. Now, her husband is from her background but the guy fucking her on the side is from the same background as her first bf. This can also happen with high SMV girls. If the girl grows in a different culture, let’s say background Y. Chances are her first sexual experience with a guy from background Y. Then she will most likely date guys from that background Y over many years. This might be far-fetched but it’s a hypothesis that may be considered. Granted it needs more testing. As for the self-loathing behavior, I believe that's how some women justify the difficulties they encounter in an inter-cultural relationship. That’s how some of them rationalize it in their heads I guess.

Quote: (02-12-2019 05:13 PM)Nater Wrote:  

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Also, I'd be more worried if I have a girl like that honestly. Not because I am against interracial marriage. It can be successful (just requires more will). I feel like girls who share this self-loathing mentality contribute to the destruction of their background culture. That's what racism toward your own people does. No thanks! I would like my kids to know about their culture, to be proud of it. I wouldn't want to destroy it. Different backgrounds, different cultures, different viewpoints... This is the balance we have in this world. Alas, some people want to convince us to adopt another definition to the word diversity.


Another question I ask what leads a woman from X background to exclusively date guys from Y background over the years? And rarely divert.

I see this a lot with women that come from hyper-macho cultures and move to the US at either an early enough age. As much as this thread has said only Asian and Indian men suffer from their women doing this, I have mentioned in other threads that Middle Eastern do it a great deal themselves. In fact, I'd throw in a lot of Latinas who grow up in wealthier areas into that group.

The story with a lot of Middle Eastern girls in the western world is always the same, plenty of them turn into hardcore feminists and a lot of them I have noticed will rarely fuck guys of their own background. I used to wonder why every Arab or Persian player I knew was fucking hot girls of other races, mainly white, until a couple of my friends of that background gave me the lowdown on their women in the western world. A lot of the women will claim because their culture is very patriarchal which is so true to the point that even the most anti-feminist right-winger will agree they go too far in places like the Middle East.

But I think it is rooted in something deeper than just that.

I think in some parts of the world people fetishize features like blue eyes and blond hair, the Middle East being a prime example, and when women from those cultures come to a more culturally liberal place they just go for what their culture inherently considered good looking. So it is no surprise that my Middle Eastern friends have had far better experiences sleeping with white women while my blond haired friends seem to draw in some sexy Latinas and Middle Eastern women like flies when it comes to one night stands. Some races are inherently not attracted to their own when it comes to flings and one night stands.

To go off of the thread I linked to in the OP, it is a mystery but maybe confirmation bias is at play here.

I notice looking around that whenever I see some of the better looking white women go interracial, they are usually on the paler end. Anglo, Nordic, and Germanic looking women with light features seem to almost be drawn to guys with dark hair and tanned skin whether the guy is white or not. I've seen more than a fair share of the blonde bombshell types going interracial with all sorts of dudes (yes, even Asian men of all kinds). Reading this forum it seems like guys who are darker skinned have a great experience in Scandinavia and Northern Europe than more tanned countries as far as getting laid is concerned.

Then on the flip side I notice it is much more rare for me to see sexy tanned women with dark hair going interracial, they seem to go crazy for blond and more pale guys. One of my acquaintances is black and white mixed and he is frustrated because he has a thing for women who look like the chick that played Wonder Woman but he seems to get a ton of attention from more pale girls, not that there is any lack of quality there for him.

I used to think it is because darker guys just have a preference for blondes and paler white girls due to a status thing but I wonder if it is really due to the fact that of all the white girls; natural blondes and pale women are just naturally more open to mixing interracial.

It could also be confirmation bias at play in my head though, like maybe I notice it more if I see some Middle Eastern guy with a sexy redhead compared to a Middle Eastern guy with an Emily Ratajkowski lookalike.

Quote: (02-13-2019 11:01 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I notice looking around that whenever I see some of the better looking white women go interracial, they are usually on the paler end. Anglo, Nordic, and Germanic looking women with light features seem to almost be drawn to guys with dark hair and tanned skin whether the guy is white or not. I've seen more than a fair share of the blonde bombshell types going interracial with all sorts of dudes (yes, even Asian men of all kinds). Reading this forum it seems like guys who are darker skinned have a great experience in Scandinavia and Northern Europe than more tanned countries as far as getting laid is concerned.

This question has been answered publicly when the discussion over why the Kardashians all seem to chase black rappers. The Kardashians are not pale blond girls.

I said this before. Some women do not like the culture they were raised into and want to marry out of it. There is a perception that if you marry a black guy he will be your personal 24 hour slave boy. That's why these relationships don't last when the girls are actively fetishizing the guys. For fucks sake the divorce rate alone is like 300% higher than normal.

Listen... female attraction is not like male attraction. It's far less grounded in reality. Most women don't really look at the man that much... they look at the life that man will give them. So, with women a lot of time racial stereotypes matter in dating.

Quote: (02-09-2019 09:20 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

It seems endemic in the Indian/ Chinese communities, but then again I don't really know all that much about them. Especially with the career conscious/ status conscious/ climber types... like doctors for example. Preference for white men usually.

Am I living a parallel dimension? Most Indian women as far as I know go for Indian guys for LTR. For a bit of fun, they're more open.

UK born and raised Indian living in Los Angeles here. I've dated a lot of East Asian women who have never dated men of their own race. As long as they're not putting their own men down towards me, I don't really care. I don't want to hear about it. If they do put them down, then that's a red flag for me.

I can count on one hand the number of Indian women that flat out refuse to date Indian men. Usually the ones who say that had a really bad experience with an Indian ex. I have precisely one US based cousin who's married to a white guy, and that's after she divorced her first Indian husband. All of my UK born and raised cousins are married to Indian men.

I remember talking to an Indian-American woman (she was a friend of my cousin's) who said she was not into Indian guys. Then she told me one time she saw an Indian guy with a hot black girl and she got jealous. A lot of women are hamstering.

Quote: (02-13-2019 10:35 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Some races are inherently not attracted to their own when it comes to flings and one night stands.

Many Indian women definitely hold Indian men to higher standards - some of them see India men as future LTR prospects, so adjust their behaviour accordingly. They'd rather do a one night stand with a non-Indian.

There was a white guy in my university who was banging an Indian girl from his class. He told me that she approached him and said that she wanted to have some fun before her parents fixed her up with an Indian guy.

However, you can get around this with Indian women if you straight up say you're looking to bang. Some are OK with it.