When someone says that Anglo or other places are "cliquey and built on social circle" it gives me an image of beautiful people in their elite groups going off and having fun at exclusive venues. Ha. That might be so for the lucky few, but most people are just isolated and stuck with a small handful of acquaintances and friends. Thats why shows like Cheers, Friends and Seinfeld have been popular going back decades. They show an ideal close group of buddies, when the reality is sitting at home with the TV and the smartphone.

Quote: (01-07-2019 04:27 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

When someone says that Anglo or other places are "cliquey and built on social circle" it gives me an image of beautiful people in their elite groups going off and having fun at exclusive venues. Ha. That might be so for the lucky few, but most people are just isolated and stuck with a small handful of acquaintances and friends. Thats why shows like Cheers, Friends and Seinfeld have been popular going back decades. They show an ideal close group of buddies, when the reality is sitting at home with the TV and the smartphone.

Yes this is exactly it. I believe NZ is an extreme example and I would not have this problem in the US or even Canada. But people are just so boring here and the things they do just suck so much that even I, someone who actually likes being social and active, etc just have way more fun sitting at home on the computer or planning my own activities than I do trying to endure the social circle grind of most Kiwis, they just have a ridiculously high boredom tolerance and as a result most of what they do is completely mind-numbingly boring

OP I'm from NZ too. Let me chime in. I agree about NZ girls general lack of attractiveness and femininity. We all know this. I have a good social network and meet fairly decent-looking girls on a semi-regular basis though. While almost none of these girls were raised and taught how to cook and clean the house, some of them can be quite sweet and submissive. Not every Kiwi girl is a binge-drinking tatted-beast. I don't advocate your street-approach methodology in NZ for access to higher quality Kiwi girls. The Kiwi mentality/social-culture isn't conducive to street approaches. I'm not discouraging approaching, but I think you'll have better results if you exert the same effort in fabricating yourself as part of a social circle with attractive girls. In my case, I used friendships from high school and university to branch out and meet more people.

You're right about the reserved and closed mentality of Kiwi's; there are many cultures in this world that are more welcoming or receptive to strangers becoming part of their group. That being said Kiwi's are generally friendly and non-confrontational. I've had cool Kiwi dudes that I met at social events, with zero mutual friends, invite me to hang with them and their crew on occasion. If you are a cool person who has confidence and some swag, there will always be people willingly to hang out with you. Don't expect to be invited to parties from the get go, learn to form a connection first. If you come across a guy who regularly associates with attractive chicks and you've had a decent convo, ask him to join you for a drink sometime. Take the initiative. Also try and associate with genuine and good guys that you meet too, even if they don't know many girls (I don't like the idea of just using others for your personal gain).

If you want to find guys with access to girls, you have clubs/bars, music festivals, hobbies, etc. The forum should have info on this and also on how to enter social circles. If you have the energy and time to approach, you can equally spend that same time hustling to get access to social circles. The ability to network is one of the most powerful and beneficial to have. If you plan on leaving NZ sometime and settling abroad, the ability to make friendships can transfer and help you there too. There are a lot of cool dudes here in NZ that know tons of hot chicks. You just aren't part of that crowd. You can either complain about how boring everyone is and sit on your ass at home or hustle and possibly party with hot chicks on a regular basis.

You don't lift right? My close mate is a personal trainer who moved from Auckland to Sydney six years ago. Today he's partying with some of the hottest twenty-something year olds there. What he left Auckland with was an excellent build and a strong knowledge base on strength development and nutrition. He barely knew anyone in Sydney but because of his outgoing and confident personality, he has managed to build a social network that most people will envy. He hustled for clients only getting two in his first year. The next year that number shot to around eight. He forged strong friendships with his clients and they started inviting him to all kinds of parties and private events. Through these friendships he met more and more people. These friendships are all with local Sydneysiders who can be cliquey as fuck, but they welcomed him with open arms. My mate is around 6ft, has an excellent build, a below average face, and is of Indian origin. His personality and charisma though is through the roof. People just want to hang with him. I'm not suggesting that you should also become a personal trainer and follow what he did. He leveraged his situation with his personality and ability to network.

You have no excuses man, even in NZ.

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

OP I'm from NZ too. Let me chime in. I agree about NZ girls general lack of attractiveness and femininity. We all know this. I have a good social network and meet fairly decent-looking girls on a semi-regular basis though. While almost none of these girls were raised and taught how to cook and clean the house, some of them can be quite sweet and submissive. Not every Kiwi girl is a binge-drinking tatted-beast. I don't advocate your street-approach methodology in NZ for access to higher quality Kiwi girls. The Kiwi mentality/social-culture isn't conducive to street approaches. I'm not discouraging approaching, but I think you'll have better results if you exert the same effort in fabricating yourself as part of a social circle with attractive girls. In my case, I used friendships from high school and university to branch out and meet more people.

You're right about the reserved and closed mentality of Kiwi's; there are many cultures in this world that are more welcoming or receptive to strangers becoming part of their group. That being said Kiwi's are generally friendly and non-confrontational. I've had cool Kiwi dudes that I met at social events, with zero mutual friends, invite me to hang with them and their crew on occasion. If you are a cool person who has confidence and some swag, there will always be people willingly to hang out with you. Don't expect to be invited to parties from the get go, learn to form a connection first. If you come across a guy who regularly associates with attractive chicks and you've had a decent convo, ask him to join you for a drink sometime. Take the initiative. Also try and associate with genuine and good guys that you meet too, even if they don't know many girls (I don't like the idea of just using others for your personal gain).

If you want to find guys with access to girls, you have clubs/bars, music festivals, hobbies, etc. The forum should have info on this and also on how to enter social circles. If you have the energy and time to approach, you can equally spend that same time hustling to get access to social circles. The ability to network is one of the most powerful and beneficial to have. If you plan on leaving NZ sometime and settling abroad, the ability to make friendships can transfer and help you there too. There are a lot of cool dudes here in NZ that know tons of hot chicks. You just aren't part of that crowd. You can either complain about how boring everyone is and sit on your ass at home or hustle and possibly party with hot chicks on a regular basis.

You don't lift right? My close mate is a personal trainer who moved from Auckland to Sydney six years ago. Today he's partying with some of the hottest twenty-something year olds there. What he left Auckland with was an excellent build and a strong knowledge base on strength development and nutrition. He barely knew anyone in Sydney but because of his outgoing and confident personality, he has managed to build a social network that most people will envy. He hustled for clients only getting two in his first year. The next year that number shot to around eight. He forged strong friendships with his clients and they started inviting him to all kinds of parties and private events. Through these friendships he met more and more people. These friendships are all with local Sydneysiders who can be cliquey as fuck, but they welcomed him with open arms. My mate is around 6ft, has an excellent build, a below average face, and is of Indian origin. His personality and charisma though is through the roof. People just want to hang with him. I'm not suggesting that you should also become a personal trainer and follow what he did. He leveraged his situation with his personality and ability to network.

You have no excuses man, even in NZ.

This is a skill which I am looking towards developing this year.

Currently, I have a few hobbies and vibe well with people I train with. However, my issue is that it never grows beyond that - friendships and social circles in the past were not developed through effort on my part, they simply appeared and disappeared as time passed on.

Maybe I'm just too scared of failure here, but what are some ways I can strengthen my connections with people I train with aside from demonstrating an interest in them (Carnegie stuff)?

I'm all ears.

Thanks for the response.

I will try to clear things up with the way I view things. However if you are a typical Kiwi in the way you think(and Aussies are like this to an extent also) I highly recommend you don't read the rest of my post. It's for both of our sakes. What generally happens when I say what I think/what my opinions are to Kiwis or Aussies is they seem to get frustrated at how "negative", "whining", and "complaining" I am being, even though I don't perceive myself doing anything of the sort, I feel relatively positive and foreigners don't seem to mind, but Kiwis/Aussies melt down anyway. So I'd like to avoid this scenario from the get-go. That being said(after I said my warning), here goes...

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

I don't advocate your street-approach methodology in NZ for access to higher quality Kiwi girls. The Kiwi mentality/social-culture isn't conducive to street approaches. I'm not discouraging approaching, but I think you'll have better results if you exert the same effort in fabricating yourself as part of a social circle with attractive girls. In my case, I used friendships from high school and university to branch out and meet more people.

I agree daygame is really bad/ineffective here(relative to bigger cities). Plus Kiwi culture really makes it near impossible.

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

That being said Kiwi's are generally friendly and non-confrontational. I've had cool Kiwi dudes that I met at social events, with zero mutual friends, invite me to hang with them and their crew on occasion. If you are a cool person who has confidence and some swag, there will always be people willingly to hang out with you. Don't expect to be invited to parties from the get go, learn to form a connection first. If you come across a guy who regularly associates with attractive chicks and you've had a decent convo, ask him to join you for a drink sometime. Take the initiative. Also try and associate with genuine and good guys that you meet too, even if they don't know many girls (I don't like the idea of just using others for your personal gain).

What generally happens in my experience is I can approach groups and have a good time. I've been invited to a few parties this way. What I feel happens, they are very social in a shallow way, and it felt very deep and meaningful at the time. I believe in part because I've been in NZ so long I've never had truly meaningful friendships.

I make a move to hang out again and everyone stops messaging/texting back at the drop of a hat and goes really cold. I expect it's a mixture of they don't really know me+ they don't like being told they have to be social. It's kind of a strange mindfuck in this case because particularly in party situations they often felt so loving and warm that it's weird they got cold so fast. Maybe they were cold from the beginning but were too scared to say so? Or maybe druggies/degenerates are just unreliable/flaky. EDIT: the way I think, I would never be warm and friendly to someone I don't want to meet again.

With regards to parties in particular, since I am not a night person when a party like that happens it's basically like I'm spending 8-10 hours of effort for maybe 3-4 hours of pleasure, it knocks me out of commission the whole next day. Most Kiwis my age are night people so that doesn't really work for me. Parties are nice but they aren't good enough to justify feeling so bad after the fact.

The non-confrontational bit is bad. Some people absolutely deserve to be confronted, instead they run rampant making everyone else deal with their dysfunction. In the end it makes all of NZ seem dysfunctional. That is the one thing I really want to shake Kiwis to make everyone's lives better(mild joke- in case I seem like a total psycho by now).

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

If you have the energy and time to approach, you can equally spend that same time hustling to get access to social circles.

I agree for the most part. The thing is when I have my approaches/dates with girls in daygame it's fun and enjoyable in large part because they do what I want. If I break into Kiwi social circles for the most part I have to do what everyone else wants. It's probably my problem in the end but I don't like doing what other people want. And what Kiwis want is very different to what I want(generally, more boring).

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

You don't lift right? My close mate is a personal trainer who moved from Auckland to Sydney six years ago. Today he's partying with some of the hottest twenty-something year olds there. What he left Auckland with was an excellent build and a strong knowledge base on strength development and nutrition. He barely knew anyone in Sydney but because of his outgoing and confident personality, he has managed to build a social network that most people will envy. He hustled for clients only getting two in his first year. The next year that number shot to around eight. He forged strong friendships with his clients and they started inviting him to all kinds of parties and private events. Through these friendships he met more and more people. These friendships are all with local Sydneysiders who can be cliquey as fuck, but they welcomed him with open arms. My mate is around 6ft, has an excellent build, a below average face, and is of Indian origin. His personality and charisma though is through the roof. People just want to hang with him. I'm not suggesting that you should also become a personal trainer and follow what he did. He leveraged his situation with his personality and ability to network.

You have no excuses man, even in NZ.

I agree there's a lot of ways to improve. My plan is to leave NZ. The cultural and political differences are too great to be here long term. Personally I don't have any problems(well, in this context anyway) with differences in others, I can even be comfortable being around LGBT degenerates but it seems like left leaning Kiwis just don't understand where I'm coming from, and assume that my differences mean I'm purposely trying to antagonise them or something. Besides leftists in general, Kiwis are so similar to each other in terms of psychology/mentality that they can't fathom others thinking differently, so they literally assume you're being contrarian on purpose. Most "socially intelligent" tourists/immigrants react by pretending to agree with/think like them, which just ain't me.

I do calisthenics and gymnastics

Quote: (01-10-2019 03:33 AM)Condot Wrote:  

This is a skill which I am looking towards developing this year.

Currently, I have a few hobbies and vibe well with people I train with. However, my issue is that it never grows beyond that - friendships and social circles in the past were not developed through effort on my part, they simply appeared and disappeared as time passed on.

Maybe I'm just too scared of failure here, but what are some ways I can strengthen my connections with people I train with aside from demonstrating an interest in them (Carnegie stuff)?

I'm all ears.

From my experience and observation, the people that you meet in various institutions i.e. school, university, gym, work, etc. friendships can begin to develop once you start hanging with them outside the institution that you meet them in. It doesn't matter if you see and chat with them everyday, you're going to stay at the acquaintance-level if you don't do something social with them outside of university, work, the gym, etc.

In your case, maybe you can organise after-training protein shakes somewhere, or getting a bite to eat at some nearby place, or drinks on a Friday night.

This is to counter the anglo/western women hate in this forum.

I wanted to put this in the unpopular opinions thread but it's been closed:

- Anglo countries produce the most high quality women, but they're inaccessible to nearly all men.

- People equate ease of access with quality, so overrate slavic and asian girls. Or they're just interested in sex, or just want an easy life.

- Much of the hate for western european girls is sour grapes.

- Anglo women shit-test the most and are the most disagreeable in general, which is precisely why they produce excellent sons. It's the price you have to pay. They screen and test their men hard, but pass on these disagreeable/masculine characteristics to their children. You either totally dominate them, or they steal the frame. I think this applies to other western european women too, but especially anglos.

- Group Rankings:

Tier 1: Patrician anglo, celtic, germanic, nordic, certain french girls (e.g. Brittany, Normandy)

Tier 2: Slavic and other caucasians, hapas.

Tier 3: Asian, mixed girls.

Honorary men: Black women

A few more unrelated:

- Most men have extremely bad taste in women.

- About 80-90% men can never take the red pill. Even if you spoon feed it to them. Their male-mother need is too strong and they can never deal with the mental unrest and push through redpill rage to the other side. At best they become NAWALT purple-pillers.

- You're not a man unless 0% of your self-esteem comes from women.

- If you are a white man with a preference for asian women you are probably gamma.

^And probably have a small cock!

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Anglo countries produce the most high quality women, but they're inaccessible to nearly all men.

True, however it is inaccurate to compare the top shelf talent to the general population. It's how China "cooks the books"- measuring IQ/performance of the top rich schools in Shanghai, ignoring the peasants everywhere.

The typical Anglo girl is low quality, it's (almost) irrelevant that the top end is the best.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- People equate ease of access with quality, so overrate slavic and asian girls. Or they're just interested in sex, or just want an easy life.

I think that's mostly untrue. Probably the biggest thing is femininity.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Much of the hate for western european girls is sour grapes.

Western Euro is pretty different from Anglo IME.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Anglo women shit-test the most and are the most disagreeable in general, which is precisely why they produce excellent sons. It's the price you have to pay. They screen and test their men hard, but pass on these disagreeable/masculine characteristics to their children. You either totally dominate them, or they steal the frame. I think this applies to other western european women too, but especially anglos.

That's a weird assertion to make and I can't follow the chain of reasoning.

In any case Anglos IME are not disagreeable at all. That's why the UK has this bizarre cuck/slave mentality of needing a porn license and how the guy with the Nazi pug was sentenced to prison and why Tommy Robinson has been vilified and no one cares.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Most men have extremely bad taste in women.

Agree. I do think Anglo men have significantly worse taste than most

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- You're not a man unless 0% of your self-esteem comes from women.

- If you are a white man with a preference for asian women you are probably gamma.

Agree for the most part. A lot of gammas tend to like Asian girls. I wouldn't say everyone who does is like that but there is definitely a correlation.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

The typical Anglo girl is low quality, it's (almost) irrelevant that the top end is the best.

Agreed. My points were about top 0.1-1%, whiche beats anything globally.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- People equate ease of access with quality, so overrate slavic and asian girls. Or they're just interested in sex, or just want an easy life.

I think that's mostly untrue. Probably the biggest thing is femininity.

If femininity means submissiveness, then this is overrated in itself. Shit-testing and screening is valuable. You should seek qualified submission to the right man.

I think some men like slavic and esp. asian because it allows them to avoid developing that frame.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Much of the hate for western european girls is sour grapes.

Western Euro is pretty different from Anglo IME.

Meant to type western women, including anglos.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Anglo women shit-test the most and are the most disagreeable in general, which is precisely why they produce excellent sons. It's the price you have to pay. They screen and test their men hard, but pass on these disagreeable/masculine characteristics to their children. You either totally dominate them, or they steal the frame. I think this applies to other western european women too, but especially anglos.

That's a weird assertion to make and I can't follow the chain of reasoning.

In any case Anglos IME are not disagreeable at all. That's why the UK has this bizarre cuck/slave mentality of needing a porn license and how the guy with the Nazi pug was sentenced to prison and why Tommy Robinson has been vilified and no one cares.

Good point. I don't why this is but it's a very recent development.

Historically anglos have been more intellectually innovative (high IQ disagreeable) and produced all sorts of interesting subcultures i.e. hooliganism, punk rock etc. (lower IQ disagreeable). And a mass of people in the middle with a healthy suspicion of authority and consensus.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Most men have extremely bad taste in women.

Agree. I do think Anglo men have significantly worse taste than most

I think it's all men, and anglos aren't exempt. Also non-whites and meds have a big blindspot with pale/blonde women.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- You're not a man unless 0% of your self-esteem comes from women.

- If you are a white man with a preference for asian women you are probably gamma.

Agree for the most part. A lot of gammas tend to like Asian girls. I wouldn't say everyone who does is like that but there is definitely a correlation.

Agreed. But I think some asian girls make it way too easy for white men and it allows gammas to punch above their weight without having to confront their secret-king delusions. Too much unqualified submissiveness from women isn't desirable.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

Honorary men: Black women

Ha! I posted about this in the forum lounge. I've seen black women do some manly shit. Like spitting in public.

From what I can tell Slavs and perhaps Asians actually relentlessly shit test you. That's the stereotype of Russians anyway.

Asian girls liking white guys is more to do with WGF and less to do with being easy in general(although it depends- it seems for example Filipinas are easy in general).

I disagree with the general "punch above their weight". It seems in Anglo countries in particular a lot of guys, probably the typical guy, actually date down.

Conjecture: the recent development seems to be degeneracy/societal rot. In any case it seems to hit Anglo countries really hard.

Quote: (12-21-2018 06:27 AM)Super Average Man Wrote:  

I can't say I get the hype for Anglo women. I mean, I understand in Anglo countries they are the standard and thus more sought after, but IMHO they're far from being the most attractive white ethnicity. French girls, Southern European girls, Eastern European girls, white latinas, they all rank higher in my list.

I think it's because of porn and hollywood.

I'll say this about Anglo and Nordic women, they are the most fair when it comes to going for guys. If you tick the boxes for attractiveness which include being muscular, having a charismatic personality, and having a fun lifestyle; Anglo women will no doubt give you a chance regardless of your background.

I completely agree with Oak when he says that hate towards white women is purely sour grapes. Rarely have I met a successful, attractive, and socially well-connected white guy express disdain towards white women. Most of the times it is the white guys who are social outcasts and lower value who hate white women solely because some brown skinned third world trash is willing to suck em for a green card.

Of all the groups, I've probably had the best experiences with Anglo and western white women. If they do not want you, they'll make it clear and move on.

But I feel like Anglo and Nordic women have to walk on thin ice because of the envy and judgment everyone has of them.

People say Anglo women are narcissistic, have you even interacted with Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, Colombian and Brazilian women before? You'll learn what a narcissistic bitch is fast.

People claim Anglo women are high on feminism and man-hating, well go and see just how much worse women from immigrant groups become whenever they get into feminism. A Middle Eastern or Indian feminist will make even the most radical white feminist look like an angel.

Some claim that Anglo women are "racist" because they won't fuck poor ol 5'6 stinky as fuck skinnyfat ethnic guy, wanna see true "racism"? Try being a handsome 6'2 ethnic guy and interacting Middle Eastern, Asian. Mediterranean and women from certain parts of Eastern Europe, they'll reject your ass for a 5'6 troll with blond hair. At least Anglo women are willing to be more objective about it all, if anything, I'd say they are most lenient about race.

Same with Anglo societies, as much as everyone wants to express hatred towards the WASPs, they made a system where your hard work and value will transcend all.

Think the Japanese, Italians, or the Slavs are going to let some immigrants come into their country and have a successful life? Not a fucking chance.

It is in Anglo countries like America, the UK, and Canada where an outsider who is willing to work hard and prove themselves can rise to the top. Same with America, where countless immigrants succeed because of their hard work and not whining, blaming whitey for all of their problems.

It parallels Anglo women themselves, yeah they're rude, because you fucking suck (not meant towards anyone on here to be clear). The only reason you struggle with Anglo women is because you are either too fucking ugly, too fucking lame, or have no game.

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:29 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Of all the groups, I've probably had the best experiences with Anglo and western white women. If they do not want you, they'll make it clear and move on.

This is not true at all with Kiwi girls. I cannot imagine it being all that true with Brits/Aussies.

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:29 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

People say Anglo women are narcissistic, have you even interacted with Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, Colombian and Brazilian women before? You'll learn what a narcissistic bitch is fast.

People claim Anglo women are high on feminism and man-hating, well go and see just how much worse women from immigrant groups become whenever they get into feminism. A Middle Eastern or Indian feminist will make even the most radical white feminist look like an angel.

I was with a Colombina for a bit. She seemed normal and well-adjusted. Pretty rare for a Kiwi.

Most Anglo girls are feminist, and most non-western girls are not feminist. Comparing the feminists is not a fair comparison.

Dude, the only reason that Colombian broad was good to you is because you were a white guy, plain and simple. Other than that, they are really narcissistic and materialistic plastic broads that make an Anglo chick look like an angel. Any other race will easily see her true colors, you just got suckered into the sweet talk because you were a westerner.

I'm Asian...

Also I have to re-iterate that I have no obvious issues with American or Canadian girls. So I am specifically talking about Kiwi, Aussie and Brit girls.

Edit: Not to "call you out" as such. But the idea that Anglo girls will make it clear and move on is just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Pretty much all of my "time wasted" moments are at the hands of Kiwis and Aussies. They literally string you along because they're too scared to say they don't want to do anything. This is true for guys and girls. I've never had this problem with other nationalities unless the person themselves was a huge flake. But for Kiwis and Aussies it's standard. They don't even give you a clue or hint, they're often literally friendly and warm as hell the night before and without warning get cold like that *snaps fingers* the next day/week when you try to message them again. No one else wastes your time like this.

I get to them it's a cultural thing that it's just the non-confrontational thing to do. But I have to make it clear that *is* what they do so people who don't like it don't make the mistake of coming here.

Sorry, but the hard truth is that they don't find you physically attractive. "Game" cannot overcome this hurdle.

Cold approach is one of the most ridiculous concepts. If you aren't getting looks from a woman it's because she doesn't find you (that) attractive and you are better off not approaching. Go for the warm approach, where women show you they are interested in you and then approach them.

Contrary to popular belief, you can't talk your way into a woman's pants.

A beer reminds me why I just stay with my own kind. Can’t deal with racial hierarchy bullshit.

TDK

Quote: (03-17-2019 03:28 AM)emilio123 Wrote:  

Sorry, but the hard truth is that they don't find you physically attractive. "Game" cannot overcome this hurdle.

Cold approach is one of the most ridiculous concepts. If you aren't getting looks from a woman it's because she doesn't find you (that) attractive and you are better off not approaching. Go for the warm approach, where women show you they are interested in you and then approach them.

Contrary to popular belief, you can't talk your way into a woman's pants.

Black pilling us i see...

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Anglo countries produce the most high quality women, but they're inaccessible to nearly all men.

I actually disagree with this. There's quite a few high status men like Tom Brady, Donald Trump and George Clooney that chose to marry NON anglo women(even tho they could have had any anglo women they wanted).

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:29 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

It parallels Anglo women themselves, yeah they're rude, because you fucking suck (not meant towards anyone on here to be clear). The only reason you struggle with Anglo women is because you are either too fucking ugly, too fucking lame, or have no game.

I know it's only March but this was the worst post of the year so far.

Quote: (01-07-2019 04:05 AM)ausazn Wrote:  

After reading all the posts here I think I'll give my two cents.

Asian Australian here, 5'7 and I grew up in a major urban city in Australia and am now living in Toronto.
I have witnessed the anglo culture of girls in both cities, and I can conclude that both are terrible places for dating. I've outsourced dating from so many men and women especially in Toronto this year to get their opinions. Men think that women are stuck up and bitchy, women think men are not worthy and are creepy in Toronto. There are even memes on a famous Toronto meme Instagram page about how "Toronto men are trash" and "Toronto women are trash" which goes to show the double edged sword of dating here. I even asked a group of girls in LTR or engaged at a party how they met their spouses and half said from online game. They said that they thought the idea of being cold approached was completely creepy and "totally not asked for". I had the opposite response when I asked girls I had met from Europe this same question. They said it takes balls for a guy to cold approach on the street.

It is evident that in the anglosphere and especially cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Sydney and Melbourne and from what OP has said in NZ that they are all cliquey cities where people are highly dependent on social circle. Heck I was going out every single night in the summer when I moved to Toronto to make friends and it was extremely difficult until I found genuine people willing to give me time and hang out and they weren't even from Toronto.

I've given up dating in the West. I've done university exchange programs in various countries in Europe and once you swallow the red pill and meet amazing girls outside of the Western world it is so soul crushing to go back to the West and try again. I would rather just keep in contact with the girls I've already met in Europe.
All women care about in the Anglosphere is photos for their Instagram. If you compare the average European woman's Instagram and the average Anglo woman's Instagram you'll see many differences. Of course all women in the world love photos of themselves, but an Anglo woman will be filled with mainly selfies or generic photos of them and their friends on a night out. European women on the other hand have selfies too but alot more scenic, nature or picturesque photos. They don't seem the need to upload a photo every weekend of their dumb night out with their friends.

OP its a social circle game, it's not necessarily a race thing because alot of my close Asian Australian friends are dating attractive white women. Living in Toronto I see ALOT of ATTRACTIVE AMWF couples and when I say alot I mean more than WMAF. However in Australia it is rarer to see AMWF.

Since you're in your early 20's still, my advice is if you're still in university I would suggest going on exchange in Europe. You won't regret it.

I agree with the above of travelling abroad to Europe to see how you are received over there.

At the moment no matter how sure you are of how things are/the state of things in NZ it is only NZ that you are comparing your experience to.

It will become clearer what you need to do, where you need to go after you have travelled.

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

This is to counter the anglo/western women hate in this forum.

- Anglo countries produce the most high quality women, but they're inaccessible to nearly all men.

In my opinion (after a lot of interactions with British girls, in various environments) their hyped 'higher quality' is like the emperor's clothes - there is nothing there really.

Repost from the London thread:

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:29 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I completely agree with Oak when he says that hate towards white women is purely sour grapes. Rarely have I met a successful, attractive, and socially well-connected w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ guy of any race express disdain towards white women. Most of the times it is the w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ guys of any race who are social outcasts and lower value who hate white women solely because some brown skinned third world trash is willing to suck em for a green card.

Fixed for you.

Quote: (03-16-2019 06:10 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

- Much of the hate for western european girls is sour grapes.

Western Euro is pretty different from Anglo IME.

OK, so you haven't seen much of the world relative to your age and nationality. Have you thought that that might add value and character as a person?

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:36 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I was with a Colombina for a bit. She seemed normal and well-adjusted. Pretty rare for a Kiwi.

The Anglo-Western haters who are so unable to see them in any good light whatsoever that they'd be willing to pedastalise non-white women to kingdom come, overlooking their flaws to the the point where it eventually ends up fucking them in the arse, gets this sort of reaction: and zero sympathy for me

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:36 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Most Anglo girls are feminist, and most non-western girls are not feminist. Comparing the feminists is not a fair comparison.

Anyone who is willing to generalise women into such polarised racial dichotomies of Anglo/western feminist versus non-Western feminist; really wasn't going to be that social balanced to begin with anyway. This trend of quasi-trollish behaviour that expresses demographics as complete absolutes one way or the other has been on the rise lately on the forum of late.

If you do really see the world that way where every Anglo-/western-born girl is a feminist monster and every non-western woman is feminine perfection, then that's a perfect example of scarcity mentality. 80% of the world is neither Anglophone nor Western World, what's stopping you from ploughing through that feminine Shangri-La?

I mean, nevermind that most of that 80% of the world are complete shitholes that won't give you anywhere near the life opportunities that are extended to you in the West, and that would by and large apply to dating too.

Quote: (01-10-2019 03:46 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I will try to clear things up with the way I view things. However if you are a typical Kiwi in the way you think(and Aussies are like this to an extent also) I highly recommend you don't read the rest of my post. It's for both of our sakes. What generally happens when I say what I think/what my opinions are to Kiwis or Aussies is they seem to get frustrated at how "negative", "whining", and "complaining" I am being, even though I don't perceive myself doing anything of the sort, I feel relatively positive and foreigners don't seem to mind, but Kiwis/Aussies melt down anyway. So I'd like to avoid this scenario from the get-go. That being said(after I said my warning), here goes...
[...]
The non-confrontational bit is bad. Some people absolutely deserve to be confronted, instead they run rampant making everyone else deal with their dysfunction. In the end it makes all of NZ seem dysfunctional. That is the one thing I really want to shake Kiwis to make everyone's lives better(mild joke- in case I seem like a total psycho by now).

OK, so you're simultaneously crediting "the expression of your strong, confrontational values" vis-à-vis its utter incompatibility with that of the Antipodean NPC groupthink. That's good....that's a start. If you're feeling that much of a square peg in a round hole WRT your environment, have you thought that the prerogative might be yours to harmonise yourself with the greater good?

The corollary: perhaps it might be a good idea to examine the origins of such personal angst that led to the allegiance of such fringe views as the alt-right, ones that are fundamentally out of sync with western millenial hivethink.

Yea though a skinny-fat socially inept incel-Nazi would doth nought to partake in such hard navel-gazing as he seeks refuge — albeit displaying his poor spelling ability — in alt-right digital space on a Saturday night (instead of gaming sluts at the pub with the boys).

It's rather contemptible that those who indulge in such keyboard alpha jockeying on 8chan and other alt-right havens would conversely crumble were they to give it their shot at a fancy club in Miami — let alone a corporate staff icebreaker function.

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:36 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

If you have the energy and time to approach, you can equally spend that same time hustling to get access to social circles.

I agree for the most part. The thing is when I have my approaches/dates with girls in daygame it's fun and enjoyable in large part because they do what I want. If I break into Kiwi social circles for the most part I have to do what everyone else wants. It's probably my problem in the end but I don't like doing what other people want. And what Kiwis want is very different to what I want(generally, more boring).

You don't drink, do you? So much of a value of a man in the Antipodes does depend on his willingness to hit the town with the boys and carry on a show of élan and leadership on a night out that mirror their exploits on the rugby oval the afternoon before.

This is a pillar of masculinity that you really can't blame others for. In Oz, we abide by the tenet that you should never trust a man who doesn't drink.

It's not just a "toxic Anglo" thing. I don't see what the difference is between the sprightful bonhomie of a night out irrespective of whether it would be in Germany or drinking cultures that are as heavy as in Argentina or China.

Quote: (01-10-2019 03:46 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2019 09:28 PM)Suave Wrote:  

You don't lift right? My close mate is a personal trainer who moved from Auckland to Sydney six years ago. Today he's partying with some of the hottest twenty-something year olds there. What he left Auckland with was an excellent build and a strong knowledge base on strength development and nutrition. He barely knew anyone in Sydney but because of his outgoing and confident personality, he has managed to build a social network that most people will envy. He hustled for clients only getting two in his first year. The next year that number shot to around eight. He forged strong friendships with his clients and they started inviting him to all kinds of parties and private events. Through these friendships he met more and more people. These friendships are all with local Sydneysiders who can be cliquey as fuck, but they welcomed him with open arms. My mate is around 6ft, has an excellent build, a below average face, and is of Indian origin. His personality and charisma though is through the roof. People just want to hang with him. I'm not suggesting that you should also become a personal trainer and follow what he did. He leveraged his situation with his personality and ability to network.

You have no excuses man, even in NZ.

[...]

I do calisthenics and gymnastics

OK, so you don't lift. I can't speak for NZ, but physical fitness is a cornerstone of one's masculinity and value as a man, no other way around it. Even in the manosphere circles that you might religiously seek meaning in, getting swole is a credo for one's manhood.

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:13 AM)the.king Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 05:36 PM)Oak Wrote:  

This is to counter the anglo/western women hate in this forum.

- Anglo countries produce the most high quality women, but they're inaccessible to nearly all men.

In my opinion (after a lot of interactions with British girls, in various environments) their hyped 'higher quality' is like the emperor's clothes - there is nothing there really.

Who cares. You're fucking a body, not a personality.

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

The Anglo-Western haters who are so unable to see them in any good light whatsoever that they'd be willing to pedastalise non-white women to kingdom come, overlooking their flaws to the the point where it eventually ends up fucking them in the arse, gets this sort of reaction: and zero sympathy for me

Cannot speak for others but that is not the case for me at all.

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2019 08:36 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Most Anglo girls are feminist, and most non-western girls are not feminist. Comparing the feminists is not a fair comparison.

Anyone who is willing to generalise women into such polarised racial dichotomies of Anglo/western feminist versus non-Western feminist; really wasn't going to be that social balanced to begin with anyway. This trend of quasi-trollish behaviour that expresses demographics as complete absolutes one way or the other has been on the rise lately on the forum of late.

If you do really see the world that way where every Anglo-/western-born girl is a feminist monster and every non-western woman is feminine perfection, then that's a perfect example of scarcity mentality. 80% of the world is neither Anglophone nor Western World, what's stopping you from ploughing through that feminine Shangri-La?

This is where you start to come apart because that is not what I said at all. Most is very different to all. And it is not my "view" it is absolutely the reality. Just fucking ask around your girls if they are feminist or not.

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I mean, nevermind that most of that 80% of the world are complete shitholes that won't give you anywhere near the life opportunities that are extended to you in the West, and that would by and large apply to dating too.

Rationalisation

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

OK, so you're simultaneously crediting "the expression of your strong, confrontational values" vis-à-vis its utter incompatibility with that of the Antipodean NPC groupthink. That's good....that's a start. If you're feeling that much of a square peg in a round hole WRT your environment, have you thought that the prerogative might be yours to harmonise yourself with the greater good?

Yes I have. Have you thought about the brilliance of thinking for yourself?

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

The corollary: perhaps it might be a good idea to examine the origins of such personal angst that led to the allegiance of such fringe views as the alt-right, ones that are fundamentally out of sync with western millenial hivethink.

No angst at all.

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

You don't drink, do you? So much of a value of a man in the Antipodes does depend on his willingness to hit the town with the boys and carry on a show of élan and leadership on a night out that mirror their exploits on the rugby oval the afternoon before.

This is a pillar of masculinity that you really can't blame others for. In Oz, we abide by the tenet that you should never trust a man who doesn't drink.

It's not just a "toxic Anglo" thing. I don't see what the difference is between the sprightful bonhomie of a night out irrespective of whether it would be in Germany or drinking cultures that are as heavy as in Argentina or China.

Do you realise how ridiculous you Aussies sound to normal people? Yes there are drunkards everywhere but non drunkards have satisfying fulfilling social circles in the vast majority of normal countries

Quote: (03-18-2019 06:23 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Who cares. You're fucking a body, not a personality.

You're out of your depth here. If you don't like what we're saying then just ignore us. Cause you're just going to lose in a logical debate because you don't know what you're talking about