Quote: (06-04-2015 10:43 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

I have a question for those of you whom have found gfs/wives in Mexico or other foreign countries:

What are some tips for how to hold frame with a woman while you're in the United States for the time being? I've visited a girl for a weekend in Mexico, we're still communicating and I've told her that I'd like her to come visit me in the US soon. Although she's a middle-class Mexican, she seems scared to meet my family and maybe a little xenophobic about the USA in general. She was asking me a lot of questions the first few days after my visit, including a few tests, which I nailed, now I am asking her some questions to re-frame while charming her towards coming to visit me, which she's agreed to do now and has warmed up to me a lot more. Still, it seems a little shaky given the distance, I've never done long-distance of any kind, let alone a girl in another country/culture. How do you guys go about courting/leading these girls via a LDR in the early stages from your perch in the USA?

Any updates?

-CD

My question is: why marry in the first place?

Do you need to marry to have kids? No.

Do you need to marry to live together in a healthy long-term relationship? No.

Marriage is one-sided in the woman's favor, even outside of the West.

I don't see what can possibly be gained by this absurd ritual.

If, on the other hand you want to find a wonderful woman to be the mother of your children and a long term companion, that's another story.

I'd take an xsplat style approach of making her completely dependent upon you and making bad behavior or treachery punishable by termination of the relationship.

Keep everything on your terms and stay very discreet as other poster have mentioned.

Marriage is a huge piece of appeasement to the woman.

It's what she wants; it's what her family wants.

But it doesn't benefit you, so giving it to her is foolish and she'll interpret it as the precedent (rightly so) for further incremental appeasements until you're left with no money, no children and no dignity.

It seems as though Mexico is the popular favorite here. Does anyone know what area Mexicanas that look similar to the woman in this video might hail from? I thought I was apathetic to beauty by now, but I found her look really charming:

Quote: (11-13-2015 03:05 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

It seems as though Mexico is the popular favorite here. Does anyone know what area Mexicanas that look similar to the woman in this video might hail from? I thought I was apathetic to beauty by now, but I found her look really charming:

She does nothing for me, but try Culiacan or other parts of Sinaloa, such as Mazatlan or Los Mochis. Guadalajara and Mexico City can also be good both because they have great volume and they have all kinds of girls there.

They All Vacation In África During the summer ?

Quote: (03-29-2015 11:49 PM)jariel Wrote:  

The first colombiana I fucked was a currambera named Paola Andrea. I think I busted as soon as she said her name. Remember that scene in Hitch, when he's a dork in college and he meets the girl and he giggles and shit? I'm pretty sure that was me at that time. But anyway, the first time we fucked, it was different because I'm used to fucking latinas from the Caribbean, and they will fuck you hard. She didn't fuck hard, she fucked strong. She had all kinds of body with no fat, everything was right where it needed to be, and it was firm and strong -- oh you better believe I have pictures of that body saved on two different flash drives.

I had to check a date on your post, my first Colombiana's name was Paola Andrea as well(wtf), the rest of the description near 100% perfect match. The girl lived terrible life(smoking, partying, shitty food, no exercise) and still had a body that "gym girls" back in the west would kill for. Jesus the legs... perfection.

Thing is I doubt a Criolla / Paisa in either Mexico nor Colombia will marry a foreign male. It's just one of those xenophobia and status things.

If someone wants to marry a white Latina then Florida is probably the best place to do so.


So it's really a question of whether you want to marry a chubby Amerindian or a Mestiza. I think Mexico mostly has the former and Colombia has the latter. I imagine most Amerindian women would worship a white guy like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ (and keep in mind her IQ is probably 80 - 92 so she'll never outsmart you!).


But ultimately I would have to say Mexico just because their tourism visa is 6 months and you can reset it. Whereas in Colombia you are kind of stuck to 90 days in and 90 days out. Also I get the impression most expats in Colombia converge to Bogota / Medellin and women there likely think of American Gringos as sex tourists / drug tourists.


If you care about safety then Mexico wins hands down too. Armed robbery is super common in Colombia (the videos of the car robbers is lulzy).

Food is better in Mexico too. If you're serious about marrying a woman than I rather be eating tacos / burritos / chilis / stews for the rest of my life than eating plantains, beans and processed meats like Colombians like to cook.

There's kind of an ongoing question as to whether Brazil counts as Latin America, but if you're going to import a wife, Brazilian girls can be a really good option. Especially those from southern Brazil.

First of all, they are just so cool. They have this aura to them. Hard to explain unless you've had it. Second, they aren't that complicated. If they are interested in you / turned on, you know. Also, they know they need to take care of their man and are great girlfriends. They dress well. Third, Brazil is going through tough times these days, and many of them are actually looking to leave their big cities as they have gotten more dangerous due to corruption. In many places the police cannot be counted on to provide protection. They would be up for moving to safety (to Florida or Texas for example). There are a lot of Brazilians in Orlando.

They might not know how to cook as much, but they are such pleasant company that with some encouragement they'd learn easily (but I can't say I've needed to teach one). They tend to be close to their moms, so if you import a B-girl, you might have the mom coming along eventually. That last point is really important to consider when thinking about marriage.

Top tier Brazilian girls probably won't leave their country and family though, unless it is significantly better than their current life. And conversely, for a longer term plan I wouldn't advise anyone to leave the first world to go live in the third world just for marriage.

Quote: (08-31-2018 02:18 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

Thing is I doubt a Criolla / Paisa in either Mexico nor Colombia will marry a foreign male. It's just one of those xenophobia and status things.

If someone wants to marry a white Latina then Florida is probably the best place to do so.


So it's really a question of whether you want to marry a chubby Amerindian or a Mestiza. I think Mexico mostly has the former and Colombia has the latter. I imagine most Amerindian women would worship a white guy like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ (and keep in mind her IQ is probably 80 - 92 so she'll never outsmart you!).


But ultimately I would have to say Mexico just because their tourism visa is 6 months and you can reset it. Whereas in Colombia you are kind of stuck to 90 days in and 90 days out. Also I get the impression most expats in Colombia converge to Bogota / Medellin and women there likely think of American Gringos as sex tourists / drug tourists.


If you care about safety then Mexico wins hands down too. Armed robbery is super common in Colombia (the videos of the car robbers is lulzy).

Food is better in Mexico too. If you're serious about marrying a woman than I rather be eating tacos / burritos / chilis / stews for the rest of my life than eating plantains, beans and processed meats like Colombians like to cook.

Have you been to either of those countries? You seem to be spreading misinformation.

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:38 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Quote: (08-31-2018 02:18 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

Thing is I doubt a Criolla / Paisa in either Mexico nor Colombia will marry a foreign male. It's just one of those xenophobia and status things.

If someone wants to marry a white Latina then Florida is probably the best place to do so.


So it's really a question of whether you want to marry a chubby Amerindian or a Mestiza. I think Mexico mostly has the former and Colombia has the latter. I imagine most Amerindian women would worship a white guy like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ (and keep in mind her IQ is probably 80 - 92 so she'll never outsmart you!).


But ultimately I would have to say Mexico just because their tourism visa is 6 months and you can reset it. Whereas in Colombia you are kind of stuck to 90 days in and 90 days out. Also I get the impression most expats in Colombia converge to Bogota / Medellin and women there likely think of American Gringos as sex tourists / drug tourists.


If you care about safety then Mexico wins hands down too. Armed robbery is super common in Colombia (the videos of the car robbers is lulzy).

Food is better in Mexico too. If you're serious about marrying a woman than I rather be eating tacos / burritos / chilis / stews for the rest of my life than eating plantains, beans and processed meats like Colombians like to cook.

Have you been to either of those countries? You seem to be spreading misinformation.

I thought the same thing, WTF is this guy talking about? I've dated a few girls in Colombia who were whiter than me and I'm pretty damn white, only one was upper class (US passport, degree from FSU, etc) the rest were just normal girls. There's a ton of white girls in Colombia who are open to dating a gringo, obviously the really upper class ones are less likely to do, why would you want to wife up a chica who has never cooked or cleaned in her life anyway?

As a Canadian I can stay for 6 months in Colombia on a tourist visa in any calendar year without leaving, I'm pretty sure that it's the same for US and most EU citizens too.

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:38 PM)zoom Wrote:  

Quote: (08-31-2018 02:18 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

Thing is I doubt a Criolla / Paisa in either Mexico nor Colombia will marry a foreign male. It's just one of those xenophobia and status things.

If someone wants to marry a white Latina then Florida is probably the best place to do so.


So it's really a question of whether you want to marry a chubby Amerindian or a Mestiza. I think Mexico mostly has the former and Colombia has the latter. I imagine most Amerindian women would worship a white guy like he's the second coming of Jesus Christ (and keep in mind her IQ is probably 80 - 92 so she'll never outsmart you!).


But ultimately I would have to say Mexico just because their tourism visa is 6 months and you can reset it. Whereas in Colombia you are kind of stuck to 90 days in and 90 days out. Also I get the impression most expats in Colombia converge to Bogota / Medellin and women there likely think of American Gringos as sex tourists / drug tourists.


If you care about safety then Mexico wins hands down too. Armed robbery is super common in Colombia (the videos of the car robbers is lulzy).

Food is better in Mexico too. If you're serious about marrying a woman than I rather be eating tacos / burritos / chilis / stews for the rest of my life than eating plantains, beans and processed meats like Colombians like to cook.

Have you been to either of those countries? You seem to be spreading misinformation.

Pointed this out in another thread yesterday, this guy just posts garbage assumptions or stuff he's read online for places he's never been, we have 1000s of forum members that have actully been to these places.

^Oh great, another Dash Global!

Quote: (03-30-2015 02:54 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (03-30-2015 11:41 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

Aside from practicing my Spanish, what are some ways that I can become knowledgable in the ways of Latin women/culture, i.e. what I need to know/look out for when pursuing one?

Also, I've noticed that many hispanic women (at least the ones in the United States) can be very temperamental. I theorize that this is a sort of shit test/defense mechanism, since many of these women are single mothers living in poverty and are used to unreliable men. Are the women in Mexico this way? How do you navigate these nuances?

Let me stop you right there.

If you are going after Mexican women, you better stick to ones with intact families. Families that have their shit together. No borracho father in laws, brother in laws, etc. Check out that family like a livestock inspection. Pull back the eyelids, raise the legs, check the color of the gums, everythang.

Family is incredibly important for certain kinds of people. Mexicans, Chinese, Filipinos, etc.

For example: My wife is Chinese. I just sent her and the baby to China to visit the grandparents. My father in law scolded her to make sure she does all my laundry, the house is clean, and make sure all my things are prepared before she left.

My in laws make sure I get taken care of. They support me in ways, no one else or no amount of money can buy. You need fighters in your corner as the head of a household. A woman with no family cannot be held to task on your behalf by anyone. My mom cannot tell my wife anything like that. Her dad can however and he will do it without me asking too. When I met him from day one, he made certain that she demonstrates for me that she does not come from a trash family with bad values.

You need a healthy and intact family to marry into. An orphan or girl from a broken home needs love too, but let someone else go through that drama and mold that woman.

I don't want any RVFer to have to go through what the rest of us divorced guys ever went through. You guys should start correctly and keep it that way.

I couldn't agree more. 5 months ago I divorced my wife, not even completing a year together, I found out indirectly that she was talking to someone on the phone with men, i wasn't sure how many, but the first time she did it, and got caught by my sister when my ex-wife was visiting my family's house. And my sis confronted her and she was very apologetic of course. And my sis was very angry and she made my ex-wife call the man who she was talking to and tell him in front of her to cut all ties with her since she was married unlike what she was telling him before. And after 3 months, again my sis caught her talking to a man on the phone. So i divorced her.

So, I agree with you @TravelerKai . Her mother was a resentful, mild to moderate malevolent. And she was not instructing her daughter to do right by me. She was instead whenever i complain to her indirectly, she goes to her daughter and laugh at her for me being not satisfied with what she did , instead of advising her to do the right thing and set her straight. I really lost a lot of money since i paid her the dowry and I ended up divorcing after just 5 months. But still I feel happy that I discovered her infidelity early, thanks to my sis, since i was naive and never suspected such young girl could do that. But I guess in this era of snapchat and instagram, infidelity is rampant. Now I'm thinking about marrying from east Europe, but do have any idea which country in East Europe, the girls are most loyal.

Thanks

After spending about 7+ months in Colombia, I would say that the women down here are more marriage material than Canada.
- They want to have kids
- They have better family values / ties
- They stay in better shape and you can go out with younger aged women
- Feminine and more likely to follow your lead right away
- Belief in God (for family this is important to me)

In fairness, I've never had a serious girlfriend down here, and I have heard some crazy shit about actually having a relationship with one. I also can't really compare vs other latin countries too much. I can only say more opportunity here than in Canada. I would guess it would be the same with just about any latin country, as long as you find a place/girl you like.

I don't think bringing one back is the way to do it. I'd say a girl who is looking to move is either a gold digger, some sort of orphan, running from something. You should be willing to stay in her location as bringing her back will just corrupt her.her

Quote: (09-04-2018 12:31 PM)Slam Wrote:  

There's kind of an ongoing question as to whether Brazil counts as Latin America, but if you're going to import a wife, Brazilian girls can be a really good option. Especially those from southern Brazil.

There's no question at all, of course it's Latin America! It's not part of Spanish/Hispanic America, but it is part of Latin America. The solidly Latin countries of Europe are Italy, Spain, and Portugal. You could call them Latin Europe, but we skip the Europe part because they're considered the default, so we don't add the Europe. Since Latin Americans are "Latin, but in America," we add "Americans" to Latin.

Brazilians are definitely Latin, just like Argentinians, Mexicans, Cubans, Spaniards, Italians, and Portuguese are. One group of Latins is simply in Europe and the other is simply in America, hence Latin Americans.

Quote: (03-29-2015 11:49 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Latinas are masters at running what I call "Make you feel special" game.

Every human being in the world (and especially females) run game. The difference is just what type of game they run. Of course no woman will ever do something for you out of sheer kindness, there is always a catch. Hence marriages have always been seen as a kind of business arrangement, where two people get to together to have children and run a household as effectively as possible. If you can stand each other as people too then that's a plus, but it's not the main objective of a marriage.

Personally I don't think marrying someone from a 3rd world shithole is going to work. If you move to her you won't ever truly be accepted into the culture. And without that you won't ever be fully respected. Status among men is very important and you won't get that (unless you're in the Philippines perhaps). And do you really want to live in a culture vastly different from your own? I guess it could be OK for a year or two, but longer than that and it starts to take a toll on you.

If you bring her to your country then (as many have already pointed out) she will adapt your culture and start cheating sooner or later.

The only viable alternative as I see it is to marry someone from your own culture, and marry down at least 2 points on the 1-10 attractiveness scale. So if you are a 7/10 man, you will have to settle for a 5/10 wife. Anything more attractive than that and you won't be able to keep her in the long run. She'll have way too many 8 and 9's ready to pump and dump her at any time, and her friends along with the media and the rest of society will push her to act on those impulses. All females (unless she is deranged) follow societal rules more or less 100%. So "virtuous" women do not really exist, just as "virtuous" dogs do not either.

Don't forget that social media exists in the third world too. And even if it's not that popular in some small town in Mexico yet, give it a few more years and it will be. You can't really escape the degeneration of society at this point. 10 years ago maybe, but not now.

^Man it must really suck to have such a pessimistic view of women and relationships.

Quote: (11-28-2018 02:40 PM)scotian Wrote:  

^Man it must really suck to have such a pessimistic view of women and relationships.

Yeah it does .

After spending a considerable amount more time in Colombia than I did before I think it's very possible to find a wife there. With that said I would say most women are definitely not wife material and you have to do a ton of screening. One thing I noticed that is an even better screen (and this is extremely rare to find) is when you meet a girl who has lived abroad in the west but moved back and she still has all of the great characteristics of the other local girls and hasn't turned into a cunt. If you meet a girl who hasn't lived abroad there is no telling what may happen if you bring her to the west.

Colombia may have some surface signs of being a decent marriage destination, like girls saying they are religious. But you have the same in Russia, the world leader in divorce. Something like 45% of children in Colombia are raised without a father. It's no marriage paradise.

But, I think when you have such an environment like you do in Colombia and others, you get diamonds next to the gutter. These girls live with all kinds of crazy things going on and they know much better than Western women the dysfunction of broken homes, bad husbands etc.

To compare, I've never smoked. Owing to the fact that my father did and I was worried that he would drop dead at any moment and we'd be plunged into poverty.

Shit can be good at building both conservative traits, as well as dysfunction. Girls in The West don't know shit and most dysfunction is papered over with welfare. So people don't see the fringe of freaks who we need to show us to watch the fuck out.

I think one of the best ways to find the best traditional girls would be to go through church networking. I recently inquired with a woman I know in another part of the world on behalf of a member in regards to fishing out a marriageable, young religious girl. Her priest uncle suggested showing up to a cathedral and getting hooked up with a choir girl. Seemed such requests were common.

There are some religious dating sites like CatholicMatch that have some good traditional girls on them, but in very small numbers.

Quote: (11-28-2018 03:27 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

After spending a considerable amount more time in Colombia than I did before I think it's very possible to find a wife there. With that said I would say most women are definitely not wife material and you have to do a ton of screening. One thing I noticed that is an even better screen (and this is extremely rare to find) is when you meet a girl who has lived abroad in the west but moved back and she still has all of the great characteristics of the other local girls and hasn't turned into a cunt. If you meet a girl who hasn't lived abroad there is no telling what may happen if you bring her to the west.

I agree with a lot of this, especially the screening part. I also really think you need to spend a lot of time with them here on the ground. Flying in for a few weeks or few months at a time then leaving for an extended time frame is full of danger.

I have lots of gringo friends that have married Colombian women. The common theme is they all worked and lived in Colombia for years and were here with these girls. All of them got to know the culture, experienced the bs, latina drama, and the strings that come attached to the Colombian family....(your marrying them too.)

All these women worked, or attended College, spoke both spanish and english, and were from middle class to lower class families....(only had one friend a female marry into a strata 6 family) All want children and are all what I would classify as loyal, femine, and fun-loving.

I would say for the most part these men all found solid women, these ladies also realized they hit gold and got the bigger, better, deal. These Colombianas knew these opportunties don't present themselves much here and they did not want to fuck it up with these high value men.

The final and most important factor is all these guys have stayed international. NONE of them took these girls back to the West. Obviously time will tell, as nothing is guaranteed but I think most of these men did a great job vetting these girls.

They really took the proper time (years) on the ground working and living in Colombia.

ON the flip side.....I have other gringo friends that have been used and abused by these women they are either fresh off the boat to Colombia, come in and out of Colombia, are older divorced men lacking sound judgement or party dudes that get fucked up to much and fall prey to the scammers...

Hope this helps....

Quote: (11-28-2018 03:46 PM)gework Wrote:  

I think one of the best ways to find the best traditional girls would be to go through church networking. I recently inquired with a woman I know in another part of the world on behalf of a member in regards to fishing out a marriageable, young religious girl. Her priest uncle suggested showing up to a cathedral and getting hooked up with a choir girl. Seemed such requests were common.

You'll find some of the biggest sluts out there going to church every Sunday (or more) though. You'd think religious girls are decent but in most cases they aren't any different than non-religious ones. Many sluts go to church to feel better about their promiscuous lifestyle. I know plenty of them myself.

Quote: (11-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

They really took the proper time (years) on the ground working and living in Colombia.

Is it worth living in Colombia for the rest of your life just so you can have a wife that hopefully won't screw you over in the end? To me it sounds like a bad deal.

^Yes

Quote: (11-28-2018 06:23 PM)Jozi Wrote:  

Quote: (11-28-2018 03:46 PM)gework Wrote:  

I think one of the best ways to find the best traditional girls would be to go through church networking. I recently inquired with a woman I know in another part of the world on behalf of a member in regards to fishing out a marriageable, young religious girl. Her priest uncle suggested showing up to a cathedral and getting hooked up with a choir girl. Seemed such requests were common.

You'll find some of the biggest sluts out there going to church every Sunday (or more) though. You'd think religious girls are decent but in most cases they aren't any different than non-religious ones. Many sluts go to church to feel better about their promiscuous lifestyle. I know plenty of them myself.

Quote: (11-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

They really took the proper time (years) on the ground working and living in Colombia.

Is it worth living in Colombia for the rest of your life just so you can have a wife that hopefully won't screw you over in the end? To me it sounds like a bad deal.

The majority of these men don't live in Colombia anymore....they work and live internationally on corporate packages.....so yes it worked out great for them....the one's still here live a great quality of life....but I see your point Colombia is dangerous and tough with little kids.

Let me flip it and reverse it, (since I am not the marrying type anyways but I see where your going with your comment)....

As I have gotten older, IMO it's a way worse deal marrying into a disaster living/working in a first world country....chances are not good for most married men....in the end most men are gutted financially and divorced with fat entitled bitches or single fucked up mom's left to rebound with or pick up the pieces....

All these men that married Colombians recognized this and none of them wanted a life with a gringa or a life living in the USA to big a risk....they planned out their lives to be able to live well abroad.

I will also add that the majority of my married/divorced friends in the USA deal with these disaster's daily and are slaves to their jobs, debt, and alimony....I find it depressing as hell to talk to them when I go back for visits...and I find the women unattractive, rude and obnoxious....I am ruined when it comes to most western women.

I think your point is you don't want to raise a family in a third world country, and I agree it's difficult. The men I highlighted are the minority as they have a niche in the job market to be able to live internationally and provide first world living standards and education for their families & children. (But yes it's dangerous in Colombia however I work with many people who do it.)

I think there is no perfect answer for you and that is why Marriage to me in this day and age is to risky of a gamble but i would rather roll the dice with a Colombian living abroad than a Western women or imported foreign women in the USA....

Good luck and I hope you find happiness in this deranged world!

Quote: (11-28-2018 07:29 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

The majority of these men don't live in Colombia anymore....t

Thank you for the response. You obviously have a lot of experience and knowledge in this area since you know plenty of guys having actually gone through with this. Personally I am just shooting guesses here and going with my own intuition. So take whatever I say with a grain of salt, I guess.

But nonetheless, for me it isn't so much about Colombia being dangerous to raise kids in. I believe Colombia would actually be a healthier society to grow up in than America, for example. You'd obviously have to put your children in private schools and live in the best and most secure areas, but those are given.

What I have a problem with is that to me life can't center just around my wife and kids. I have to enjoy the people I meet on a daily basis. The people at the bus stop, the clerk at the supermarket, the police officer giving me a ticket, the taxi driver taking me to work etc. I don't want to have to get angry every time I leave the house because the culture I have grown up in is so completely different compared to everyone else's. I just do not jive well with South Americans and latin culture overall.

Great women when being with them alone, sure. But I cannot stand the other stuff. The big families that expects you to pay for them, the thieving and conniving men that tries to rip you off at any chance they get, the music that I do not understand or relate to, the food that is not what I am used to.

I have lived overseas for the last 6 years of my life. In Asia, South America, Africa, North America and Europe. I have tried making it work in non-Western countries, but I just can't. The better quality women just do not make up for the considerable downgrade in all other aspects of life. Sure, I'd probably rather live in Colombia than say Denmark or California (who both have absolutely horrendous women), but there are middle grounds to be found (I think).

But if you are Southern European or of that ancestry, I could imagine Colombia not being so bad. I personally couldn't even stand living in Spain or Italy, even if they had amazing women. I relate better with Russians or Eastern Europeans. But I do not think those women justify living there either. In the end women are pretty much the same all over. You can make any woman buy into your frame of mind given enough time and game. Even a Danish one. Tough, but doable.

Ideally, I'd get a couple of mates together and we'd all build a house each on a large piece of land out in the sticks. Sell a few more properties to create a little community. Then we'd all take up roles as mayor, preacher etc. Everyone would import a wife from Latin America or Eastern Europe and they can all hang out together and help each other with the kids. That's not really realistic but we can all dream hey .