Quote: (07-16-2018 05:54 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

...I would take the Chinese rather than Arabs.

A very similar notion can be applied to Australia.
My money is on the numbers & ruthlessness of the Chinese as opposed to arrogant Arab's & their fragile egos.

No one wants to live under Islam - not even Muslims, but they miss the reason they hate it so much thinking that it must have something to do with the corrupt elite, the Jews or the West.

As for happiness before Whites - African tribes constantly conquered each other and internal slavery was very common. Ethopia only got captured for a few short years by the Italians around WWII and they ended slavery then. The Ethopian king had 70.000 personal slaves and millions other Africans were also enslaved - subsequently freed.

Niger and Mauritania still have slave populations - not an Arab or White man in sight to do it:






It even makes a comeback in Nigeria due to increased Islamic fervor in the north (6000 Christian Nigerians killed last year alone).

This was the norm all across the continent before 1800.

Besides - you cannot go back to straw huts and be content, when the psychopath war lord next door can buy machine guns for 5$/piece and conquer your ass, abduct your girls, shoot your boys. The only way is up or stay a shithole.

The same is true with the American Indians - they could live like 1800 in their reservations hunting the buffalo (US would happily resupply large herds) and living in tipis. But that life is hard work and a pain in the ass after you have tasted indoor plumbing, pizza and a cozy couch in front of the TV. They should have done it like the Japanese - copied some stuff from the pink devils but retained their own culture. Go rain-dancing every 3 months dressed in traditional attire, but spend the rest of the year working and toiling, building a nice place to live in - like the Japanese.

If we humans ever encounter an advanced intergalactic civilization, then we won't have the luxury of sticking to our combustion engines, to feminism or divided tribes. We will have to go with the changing times as well - we will have to become united, ditch feminism and work together or we will become minor pegs in some intergalactic empire.

The slave owners in Mauretania are either of arab or berber descent

Quote: (07-16-2018 06:30 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

The slave owners in Mauretania are either of arab or berber descent

http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/sh...eforetrade

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SLAVERY IN WEST AND CENTRAL AFRICA

Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders. The rulers of these slaveholding societies could then exert power over these captives as prisoners of war for labor needs, to expand their kinship group or nation, influence and disseminate spiritual beliefs, or potentially to trade for economic gain. Though shared African ethnic identities such as Yoruba or Mandinka may have been influential in this context, the concept of a unified black racial identity, or of individual freedoms and labor rights, were not yet meaningful.

West and Central African elites and royalty from slaveholding societies even relied on their kinship group, ranging from family members to slaves, to secure and maintain their wealth and status. By controlling the rights of their kinship group, western and central African elites owned the products of their labor. In contrast, before the trans-Atlantic trade, western European elites focused on owning land as private property to secure their wealth. These elites held rights to the products produced on their land through various labor systems, rather than owning the laborers as chattel property. In contrast, land in rural western and central African regions (outside of densely populated or riverine areas) was often open to cultivation, rather than divided into individual landholdings, so controlling labor was a greater priority. The end result in both regional systems was that elites controlled the profits generated from products cultivated through laborers and land. The different emphasis on what or whom they owned to guarantee rights over these profits shaped the role of slavery in these regions before the trans-Atlantic trade.

Scholars also argue that West Africa featured several politically decentralized, or stateless, societies. In such societies the village, or a confederation of villages, was the largest political unit. A range of positions of authority existed within these villages, but no one person or group claimed the positions of ruler or monarchy. According to historian Walter Hawthorne, in this context, government worked through group consensus. In addition, many of these small-scale, decentralized societies rejected slaveholding.

But it is true that foremost the Muslim slave trade (which ranged longer and was more gruesome for 1400 years) as well as the Atlantic slave trade increased the demand for slaves. Still - they have been there before.

And what is also true is that the Europeans forced an end so slavery and at one time used 1/5 of their navy to hunt down slave ships on the coast of Africa - they would have likely ended in the Muslim world by then. The last Muslim countries ended slavery in the 1980s, but the US and Brits get somehow the biggest stink-finger.

Slavery was not a Western invention - even the Chinese had them, but banned them earlier.

Zel, can you shut up about race and IQ for once.

You say unassimlated diversity is a bad thing, Africa has diversity, you say corruption is a bad thing, Africa has corruption. You say natural resources make people lazy, Africa has natural resources.
But no, all there relative backwardness is entirely and absolutely due to them being undeniably retarded on average.

Look at a Botswana. The population is 80% one ethnicity, 10% a very similar ethnicity. It's no more corrupt than South Korea or Portugal, and its natural resources are managed responsibly to lower the tax burden on the people.

What's the result? Amazing economic growth and a better educated population than many Asian countries.

Did those mythical 70 IQ subhumans magically become smart? Or was their already high natural potential allowed to bloom when free from all those things alt-righters say are making Europe worse.

I don't believe the 70 figure is in anyway current(except for certain Somali posters in Sweden), though I believe the historic lack of iodine and inbreeding-awareness education hurt them in the past, and their historic low population densit due to tropical diseases and nomadic lifestyle deprioritised scientific progress historically.

Our [supposedly super-high] European IQ won't save us from a broken society, so we should learn from others mistakes and make sure they don't happen here.

A question I have for those who are so concerned about plummeting white birth rates and the "globalist" agenda against whites - why aren't you busy creating white babies and encouraging your close white friends to do the same? That would be my top priority instead of scribbling thousands of posts on onljne forums about the dangers of Islam.

Seems like that high IQ isn't doing you a lot of good.

Quote: (07-16-2018 08:31 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

A question I have for those who are so concerned about plummeting white birth rates and the "globalist" agenda against whites - why aren't you busy creating white babies and encouraging your close white friends to do the same? That would be my top priority instead of scribbling thousands of posts on onljne forums about the dangers of Islam.

Seems like that high IQ isn't doing you a lot of good.

Quote: (07-16-2018 08:31 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

A question I have for those who are so concerned about plummeting white birth rates and the "globalist" agenda against whites - why aren't you busy creating white babies and encouraging your close white friends to do the same? That would be my top priority instead of scribbling thousands of posts on onljne forums about the dangers of Islam.

Seems like that high IQ isn't doing you a lot of good.

LOL - nice one :-)






Don't worry brother, we got this.... one nation at a time.

Quote: (07-16-2018 08:31 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

A question I have for those who are so concerned about plummeting white birth rates and the "globalist" agenda against whites - why aren't you busy creating white babies and encouraging your close white friends to do the same? That would be my top priority instead of scribbling thousands of posts on onljne forums about the dangers of Islam.

Seems like that high IQ isn't doing you a lot of good.

Some of us may simply be waiting until after the 2nd fall of 'Rome'.

Quote: (07-16-2018 07:26 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

Zel, can you shut up about race and IQ for once.

You say unassimlated diversity is a bad thing, Africa has diversity, you say corruption is a bad thing, Africa has corruption. You say natural resources make people lazy, Africa has natural resources.
But no, all there relative backwardness is entirely and absolutely due to them being undeniably retarded on average.

Look at a Botswana. The population is 80% one ethnicity, 10% a very similar ethnicity. It's no more corrupt than South Korea or Portugal, and its natural resources are managed responsibly to lower the tax burden on the people.

What's the result? Amazing economic growth and a better educated population than many Asian countries.

Did those mythical 70 IQ subhumans magically become smart? Or was their already high natural potential allowed to bloom when free from all those things alt-righters say are making Europe worse.

I don't believe the 70 figure is in anyway current(except for certain Somali posters in Sweden), though I believe the historic lack of iodine and inbreeding-awareness education hurt them in the past, and their historic low population densit due to tropical diseases and nomadic lifestyle deprioritised scientific progress historically.

Our [supposedly super-high] European IQ won't save us from a broken society, so we should learn from others mistakes and make sure they don't happen here.

Excuses, excuses, and deflection, as always. Unless blacks are developing in a petri dish environment their failures are always someone else's fault, and anyone who claims otherwise or presents cold hard facts is a liar or a WAZIST.

You may not believe the average IQ in Botswana being 70 but you haven't been able to prove us otherwise. Show us the numbers, show us the statistics.

Look mate, I have no axe to grind with non-Whites, and I am glad to see that Botswana seems to be developing nicely. Less migrants setting sail for Europe and the U.S. - brilliant!

In the end I don't give a fuck about blacks or any other race to be honest. It's non-Whites unfortunately who keep dragging us into racial conflicts plus non-Whites and Islamists are now in the process of taking over our ancestral Christian homelands.

Are you truly surprised there's pushback? What do you expect? Fairness and objective reasoning by everyone affected? How has that worked out for us Whites over the past 50 years?

Quote: (07-16-2018 05:54 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Who knows maybe we blacks are happier in our mud huts living a pastoral hunter gathere lifestyle. One mans meat is another mans poison. Perhaps civilisation isnt our thing.

I just hope we dont fall under Islamic rule. I would take the Chinese rather than Arabs.

From an evolutionary perspective, it remains to be seen who will outlast who.

Quote: (07-16-2018 07:26 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

Zel, can you shut up about race and IQ for once.

You say unassimlated diversity is a bad thing, Africa has diversity, you say corruption is a bad thing, Africa has corruption. You say natural resources make people lazy, Africa has natural resources.
But no, all there relative backwardness is entirely and absolutely due to them being undeniably retarded on average.

Look at a Botswana. The population is 80% one ethnicity, 10% a very similar ethnicity. It's no more corrupt than South Korea or Portugal, and its natural resources are managed responsibly to lower the tax burden on the people.

You can scream and holler all you want - won't change a thing.

Botswana is similarly to Senegal quite stable - led initially by an ethical highly intelligent shithlord - both married white women at that:

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The secret of Botswana’s success isn’t hard to discern.*

When Botswana was granted independence in 1966, it was one of the poorest countries in Africa and the world. A year later, a huge diamond mine was discovered by De Beers which has been the source of Botswana’s prosperity ever since. The secret formula was a natural resource + stable government + lack of corruption. Botswana is essentially Senegal with diamonds. The first president of Botswana also married a White woman like the first president of Senegal:

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No, Botswana’s success is another example of Africa’s gold rush empires. As we have already seen, Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire was the richest man who ever lived. The wealth of the Ghana, Mali and Songhai Empires vanished when their fabled gold mines ran dry. Consider the fact that Mali was sported $300 billion worth of investment capital and is today one of the poorest countries on earth.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/botswana/overview

Some say that the diamonds are beginning to run out or that the market changes, but we shall see about that.

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Despite Botswana’s economic growth, the country faces high levels of poverty and inequality, especially in rural areas and the southern part of the country. It is expected to make slow progress on poverty reduction over the medium-term, with poverty falling to approximately 16% according to the 2015/16 Multi-Topic Household Survey. Accelerating poverty reduction will require bold decisions that encourage greater private sector job creation, higher value-added agricultural production and services, credit expansion, and lower household debt. While Botswana’s social sector expenditures have been generous, they have not yielded the impact one might expect. Education expenditure is among the highest in the world —about 9% of GDP — and includes the provision of nearly universal free primary education, but has not created a skilled workforce.

Hm - wonder why it has not produced a skilled enough workforce.

I credit the success of Botswana to the first president and a solid supply of raw materials. It takes a smart shitlord to even deal with it - I am certain that he also made sure to fight against random psychopaths. There have been other examples in African history - when the raw materials ran out or the market changed, then the economy tanked instantly with previous swimming pools and grand presidential palaces left to rot.

Many African countries are super-rich in one recourse that the rest of the world can dream of: agricultural potential. It could feed the entire world 2 times over.

Anyway - it is as it is. I posted my links - you can research at your leisure or keep denying it. There is no malice in me regarding that topic. I am only interested in truth and many highly intelligent blacks also share my view. Science and knowledge is disinterested about opinions or propaganda. Besides - the 70-level is artificially lowered with malnourishment, lack of knowledge of how to care for women during pregnancy, in some countries inbreeding, even slightly by illiteracy. The base-line across is probably 81+ if you account for all those values.

Give me command of Botswana for 200 years and immortality and I shall make New Switzerland of Botswana out of it. It's not rocket science really.

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Actually I'll add to that, because Botswana is an excellent example of how liberal PC views held back a country from going Wakanda.

They had good cash-flow from diamonds for decades, they had a smart shitlord who was obviously ethical enough. Since they invest 9% of their GDP in education, then they are actually doing as much as anyone can do based on the usual liberal "we-are-all-equal" mindset. Instead of blindly investing in education as the liberal consultants have told them, he should have invested in a positive eugenics program based on IQ tests - smartest men encouraged to take 5 wives and have as many kids as possible living in state-funded luxury. For the humbler people - offer them extra cash after giving birth to two kids, so that they don't have more. All of it should be absolutely voluntary. And if a high-IQ refuses to get married and have kids, then he gets a 70% tax rate, that should teach him to start impregnating pronto.

The rest can be manifested by good prenatal care, knowledge about inbreeding, clean water etc. The boom started decades ago - they should be halfway to real-life Wakanda now. It's anti-science progressive thinking that is to blame here, not guys like me stating the truth.

South Africans feel their country is more dangerous than occupied Palestine and war-torn Libya, and is the sixth most dangerous nation in the world, a new study found.

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/Trendi...rld-2018-7

It really is over...

Nice article on the communist terrorist Nelson Mandela:

https://www.henrymakow.com/when_do_terro...bel_p.html



What I find more informative however is this:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...-lifetime/



So despite the fact that lots of government jobs are open mainly for blacks, the African rule did not alleviate poverty - obviously because the economy is dependent on other factors. The stagnation before 1991 was based on the global sanctions.

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The plight of Blacks in South Africa is much worse under the "peoples' government." The number of people living on $1 a day doubled from two to four million. The unemployment rate doubled to 48% from 1991-2002. The Black unemployment rate today is 39%

In 2006, only 5,000 of the more than 35 million black South Africans earned more than $60,000. A quarter of the entire population lived in shacks without running water or electricity. A quarter has no access to clean water. 40% have no telephone.

The HIV/AIDS/TB infection rate is 20%. Life expectancy dropped by 13 years. 40% of schools have no electricity.

Where is the ANC'S concern for the people? Obviously, it was a ruse that enabled the bankers to gain control over South Africa's resources, just as they took over Russia's 70 years before.

All South Africans I know left the country for a good reason.

The average black citizen I have met knows that chasing away the whites means starvation an strife. The land reform isnt widely supported.

Quote: (07-20-2018 11:36 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

The average black citizen I have met knows that chasing away the whites means starvation an strife. The land reform isnt widely supported.

I get it that being conquered or some kind of open separatist system sucks, but I am personally quite practical.

For example if an intergalactic Alien armada was approaching and then they showed us what their cities and life look like:



I would be like: "And they let you become starship captain, own property & business, have your own spaceship?"

"Yes - but humans would no longer rule earth."

"I know what our human leadership plans for us, I am with the Aliens. Seems like they have a better system going than ours and I don't mind being a minority/second class citizen in a more advanced civilization when the average person's lifestyle will be much higher than if our own rulers stay in charge."

But I am sure that others will say: "We should fight for the UN, Rothschild & sons & all our hard-fought feminist/transgender rights - we heard that the Aliens believe that we humans only have two genders!"

I would likely conscript with the Alien armada right then.

The story of a South African refugee to Russia, who's learned Russian, married a local woman and started a family there:

Quote:Russia Today Wrote:

Half a million white South Africans have left the country in the past three decades, but most didn’t choose Russia as their new home, unlike Johannes du Toit, who is intent on settling here as Ivan Vahrushev.
“The hostility, the injustice I’m living through, it is to do with the South African government. It is an attack on our people. They don’t want us to feel comfortable in our own country. They want us all to leave,” du Toit explains in his still somewhat rough but comprehensible Russian.

READ MORE: ‘A matter of life & death’: 15,000 white South African farmers seek refuge in Russia, report says

Ironically, it is du Toit’s inability to leave his country for good that led RT Russian crew to contact him in Paris and take a telephone interview.

Du Toit’s is not a simple story. His family is descended from French Huguenots, who settled in the Western Cape in the 17th century.

“We were religious refugees, not colonizers,” he insists, saying he prides himself on his South African heritage.

But for all acknowledgements of the white-led unfairness of apartheid, he says that the black majority rule means that he can barely consider the place he grew up a home.

https://www.rt.com/news/433670-south-afr...tizenship/

Quote: (07-22-2018 10:09 PM)fokker Wrote:  

The story of a South African refugee to Russia, who's learned Russian, married a local woman and started a family there:

Quote:Russia Today Wrote:

Half a million white South Africans have left the country in the past three decades, but most didn’t choose Russia as their new home, unlike Johannes du Toit, who is intent on settling here as Ivan Vahrushev.
“The hostility, the injustice I’m living through, it is to do with the South African government. It is an attack on our people. They don’t want us to feel comfortable in our own country. They want us all to leave,” du Toit explains in his still somewhat rough but comprehensible Russian.

READ MORE: ‘A matter of life & death’: 15,000 white South African farmers seek refuge in Russia, report says

Ironically, it is du Toit’s inability to leave his country for good that led RT Russian crew to contact him in Paris and take a telephone interview.

Du Toit’s is not a simple story. His family is descended from French Huguenots, who settled in the Western Cape in the 17th century.

“We were religious refugees, not colonizers,” he insists, saying he prides himself on his South African heritage.

But for all acknowledgements of the white-led unfairness of apartheid, he says that the black majority rule means that he can barely consider the place he grew up a home.

https://www.rt.com/news/433670-south-afr...tizenship/

ANC calling all Whites murderers:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...erers.html

Let us make this clear once again:

Most of the blacks who moved to South Africa came so after Whites had made it a livable place. They also came for the jobs, because living as an employee for the colonizers was better than living in "freedom" among the Africans. The same happend to Rhodesia - the terrain used by Whites mostly was not even desirable to the Africans and that is why hardly any Africans lived there. And most later came also for the jobs.

The Bantus and other more aggressive tribes made frequent forays into the regions that is now called South Africa. It was depopulated back then. In addition in Africa they did not have so much ownership of land - when you settled in a region it was just understood that you pay tribute and accept the superiority of a local chief or some tribe - even one living far away. That is when the conflicts started and usually it involved Whites fighting alongside other African tribes - those tribes happily used the military of the Whites for their goals. My bet is that some of those old African families still own a chunk of the land and wealth in South Africa (though keeping wealth beyond 3 generations is not easy)

Initially South Africa was 50% White - should have carved off the terrain, wished the other Africans good luck, left them plenty of good land and then had a strict "Whites Only" policy in the entire country.

Now it's too late - Russia, Australia or emigration is their best option.

I read there is a list of 200 farms that will siezed without compensation.

"Nice article on the communist terrorist Nelson Mandela:"

Seems many folk get rather quiet when one points out that Nelson Mandela actively colluded with the Russian's in his activist days....

Otherwise.
If only South Africa had built a wall way back in the day...

Trump's silence on this is disconcerting.

Quote: (08-18-2018 11:02 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Trump's silence on this is disconcerting.

First, he needs to win the midterms to then build the wall.

Second, he needs to decisively win 2020.

Then he can talk about letting in white farmers from SA into the USA as refugees.

Otherwise, he'll lose his 35+% black approval and make blacks enthusiastically vote against him. One of the main reasons he destroyed the MidWest's blue wall was blacks failing to turn out to vote.

Quote: (08-18-2018 12:06 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

Quote: (08-18-2018 11:02 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Trump's silence on this is disconcerting.

First, he needs to win the midterms to then build the wall.

Second, he needs to decisively win 2020.

Then he can talk about letting in white farmers from SA into the USA as refugees.

Otherwise, he'll lose his 35+% black approval and make blacks enthusiastically vote against him. One of the main reasons he destroyed the MidWest's blue wall was blacks failing to turn out to vote.

I wonder what % of American Blacks would support the ANC seizure of land. 80-90%?

Quote: (08-18-2018 03:08 PM)Enoch Wrote:  

Quote: (08-18-2018 12:06 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

Quote: (08-18-2018 11:02 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Trump's silence on this is disconcerting.

First, he needs to win the midterms to then build the wall.

Second, he needs to decisively win 2020.

Then he can talk about letting in white farmers from SA into the USA as refugees.

Otherwise, he'll lose his 35+% black approval and make blacks enthusiastically vote against him. One of the main reasons he destroyed the MidWest's blue wall was blacks failing to turn out to vote.

I wonder what % of American Blacks would support the ANC seizure of land. 80-90%?

Probably.






President Trump cannot touch this - it's political suicide in the US which is in the choke-grip of a systematic trillion-dollar diversity industry (check out Perplexing Case of Starbucks on Youtube).

When it gets worse, then Russia or Australia might take in the fleeing Whites. Nothing else can be done about it.
If the Whites win in an armed conflict, then they will be called racist and someone might send in bombs to kill them. The press can tell the same lies about Assad as about the Whites defending themselves successfully. The only possible stabilization could come in the form of massive troops stationing by China, but why should they care about South Africa, when they can effectively buy land from easier trade partners in Africa in the future?