Quote: (03-15-2012 12:04 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Hopefully you don't get mad but that's a fallacy in itself let me give an example:

Tiger woods, Kobe, JK Rowling, soon to be Shia Lebuff

Flipping the script a bit:
Banksy - street artist really kicked it after "exit thru the gift shop" - 2010

You can argue the above was not "2000" but that's when they really got famous and had a log enough history to be considered great.

I can pull a person who is great from all generations if you mean "born in the 90's" you'd even have to say something like Justin Bieber as much as it pains me to type that.

Finally, comparison of music is more difficult with the stringent competition and single track sales. But check out "how to make it in America volume 2" and I think u'll see the quality of the average track is 40x that of the average tupac album, but does not compare to tupacs greatest hits.

You just made my point.

Tiger and Kobe were both 70's babies.

Both hit their stride in the 90's.

Shia Ladouche sucks.

All he as done is ruined the Wall Street movie franchise.

Got any others?

I think you've just proven the fallacy... "born in 90's". As you can see the above were all very successful but to be "great" takes multiple years of performance. So likely 90's candidates include: people like Justin Bieber, Kristen Stewart, Jennifer Lawrence... Etc. shit even Blake Griffin was born in 1989 which is pushing it. Point is you're asking me to name someone in advance that is great 10 years before it happens. Most the famous people born in the 90's will likely be women as of 2012.

Not to mention the death fallacy in the 90's statement. Many people get famous post death but that's a whole different level of fallacy in "greatness"

Anyway we can take this back and forth off-line don't want to take the thread into a debate but hopefully you see where I am coming from.

Ha actually I have used the whole "whose the next Michael Jackson banter" with a girl who was really into music before and it worked out fine, may as well look up random stuff like this to stay above average.

Hell, I am even looking for born in the 80's.

Those 90's people you mentioned I don't even know who they are.

That is my point, it's been two decades of sucking.

The 70's babies haven't been replaced. The 70's babies destroyed the 60's babies. The 60's babies destroyed the 50's babies.

It hasn't happened since.

There hasn't been any revolution.

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Not to mention the death fallacy in the 90's statement. Many people get famous post death but that's a whole different level of fallacy in "greatness"

If you are referring to Big and Pac, they were the two biggest cats in hip hop before they died.

Quote: (03-15-2012 11:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Look at hip-hop.

All the best guys still are guys that were popular in the 90's. Jay-Z, Snoop, Em, 50 cent, I could go on for days.

Is there any doubt that Pac and Big wouldn't be the biggest in Hip hop if they were still alive?

Where is the new generations Pac and Big?

Even in Boxing, all the stars from the 90's are still the biggest. 70's babies beat 80's babies all the time.

The new generation just sucks. No heart. No Charisma. No Soul.

actually 50 cent was popular in the 2000's. his debut album came out in 2003. but he is older, so he's still technically part of your generation.

as far as rap goes, you should check out j. cole. he definitely have the heart and charisma you want. he's from the hood and made it out. he went to st. johns on an academic scholarship. graduated and then pursued a rap career. he write his own lyrics, produce his songs and produce songs for other people, including jay z and fashawn. he's the first artist signed to jay z's new label roc nation and he's a ladies man. he's around my age, which is 26.

and as far as sport.. chris paul got a lot of heart. not only is he arguably the best point guard in the league he do a lot for the community.

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:33 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 11:18 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Look at hip-hop.

All the best guys still are guys that were popular in the 90's. Jay-Z, Snoop, Em, 50 cent, I could go on for days.

Is there any doubt that Pac and Big wouldn't be the biggest in Hip hop if they were still alive?

Where is the new generations Pac and Big?

Even in Boxing, all the stars from the 90's are still the biggest. 70's babies beat 80's babies all the time.

The new generation just sucks. No heart. No Charisma. No Soul.

actually 50 cent was popular in the 2000's. his debut album came out in 2003. but he is older, so he's still technically part of your generation.

as far as rap goes, you should check out j. cole. he definitely have the heart and charisma you want. he's from the hood and made it out. he went to st. johns on an academic scholarship. graduated and then pursued a rap career. he write his own lyrics, produce his songs and produce songs for other people, including jay z and fashawn. he's the first artist signed to jay z's new label roc nation and he's a ladies man. he's around my age, which is like 26.

and as far as sport.. chris paul got a lot of heart. not only is he arguably the best point guard in the league he do a lot for the community.

Again, you are making my point.

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he's the first artist signed to jay z's new label roc nation

He should have his own "roc nation".

Jay did that when he was young.

70's babies still pulling the strings. Where is the revolution?

There is no "get up and go".

And J. Cole sucks.

But that is my opinion. But let's face it, he is no Big, Pac, Nas, AZ, Capone, Noriega etc.

Sure man thats easy but I feel you are asking me to pull something that both you agree is fly and born in 80s...

Mark Zuckerberger
Little Wayne - highest grossing musician 2010 born 82
Lupe Fiasco
Adele
Ryan Gosling
Zooey Deschanel
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Derick Rose - youngest ever MVP

If you're asking me for both a musician you agree with and on top of that 80s, I'm arguing a brick wall. Feel free to set the parameters but personal opinion is just taste, I can respect results een if I hate the music EG: lady gaga.

Those people all suck.

I guess here is my point.

The younger generation (80's and 90's babies) have not created any revolution.

When I was a kid, we hated older people. We wanted to destroy them in every way shape and form.

The younger generations have just followed suit.

The last decade was horrible. The worst yet. I wrote about it here:

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/12/top...-ever.html

And this decade is shaping up to be even worse.

The fact that I can roll out and dominate nightlife and have younger kids look up to me is testament to that.

They should hate me. But instead, they want to be like me.

Trust me, I want young kids to step up.

I just don't see it happening, in popular culture, the streets, in biz, anything.

I am just not impressed. I wish I was.

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, I am even looking for born in the 80's.

1984.

And I feel bad for the ladies; it's only getting worse as men become bigger and bigger pussies; why stand up for yourself, when the nanny state will do it for you?


How I handled a bully in my heyday: In fifth grade, this seventh grader was giving me shit and busting me down every day, so one day after being fed up, I said 'I've had it. You and me after school, let's go.'

We met up after school and squared off, and yeah, he won (he had a good five inches and 30 lbs. on me), but I did get a few nice shots in. After that, no one bothered me. This was how it generally went with kids my age; if another kid is bullying you, you'd fight them.

You'd think this was some rough-and-tumble 70's schoolyard, but no...it was in 1994.


How the kids today handle bullies: Start an Anti-bullying coalition, an Anti-bullying Facebook group, get signatures on petitions for the local member of Parliament to lobby an Anti-bullying bill, hold Anti-bullying rallies...basically do anything and everything you can but stand up to your bully face-to-face.

My cousin did this exact same thing. It's like ratting on someone to their parents.

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:57 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, I am even looking for born in the 80's.

1984.

And I feel bad for the ladies; it's only getting worse as men become bigger and bigger pussies; why stand up for yourself, when the nanny state will do it for you?


How I handled a bully in my heyday: In fifth grade, this seventh grader was giving me shit and busting me down every day, so one day after being fed up, I said 'I've had it. You and me after school, let's go.'

We met up after school and squared off, and yeah, he won (he had a good five inches and 30 lbs. on me), but I did get a few nice shots in. After that, no one bothered me. This was how it generally went with kids my age; if another kid is bullying you, you'd fight them.

You'd think this was some rough-and-tumble 70's schoolyard, but no...it was in 1994.


How the kids today handle bullies: Start an Anti-bullying coalition, an Anti-bullying Facebook group, get signatures on petitions for the local member of Parliament to lobby an Anti-bullying bill, hold Anti-bullying rallies...basically do anything and everything you can but stand up to your bully face-to-face.

My cousin did this exact same thing. It's like ratting on someone to their parents.

Yeah this is what I am talking about.

You rarely even see kids playing outside anymore.

And kids are so mellow with each other. You never even see them fighting.

No exaggeration, when I was in grade school, I was in a fight at a least once a week.

Hell, sometimes 3 fights in a day in recess.

Maybe it's all the pharms they drug kids up with these days.

Anyway you slice it, I just don't see much.

Trust me, I look for young kids I can bring into my fold.
"None of them have any style or class. Cheapskates as well. Ungrateful. No work ethic. And they don't listen.

When I was a young G coming up, I respected my elders. I listened. I kept my mouth shut. If I wanted to learn from them, I took them to lunch. Or dinner. Or drinks. I paid.

I never see any of that get up an go anymore.

I have nearly given up on them."

I am a tad confused G. You want to help but if a young man is willing to go through the gutter and learn he is then not "bad ass enough to be helped". Seems contradictory.

Yes most men are softening now. I am not purposely only pming older dudes because I want to idolize them. The only way you improve faster is by hanging out with people better than you.

You're essentially frustrated with the "follow the leader" attitude in the younger generation and I agree but also point out we are on a blog started by a man likely born well right around 1980. My goal isn't to idolize but improve faster, no different than paying for my dance/language teachers. I could care less if the dude bangs 10's all day, I'm wayy too hedonistic.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:11 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I am a tad confused G. You want to help but if a young man is willing to go through the gutter and learn he is then not "bad ass enough to be helped". Seems contradictory.

I am not sure I follow.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:01 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:57 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, I am even looking for born in the 80's.

1984.

And I feel bad for the ladies; it's only getting worse as men become bigger and bigger pussies; why stand up for yourself, when the nanny state will do it for you?


How I handled a bully in my heyday: In fifth grade, this seventh grader was giving me shit and busting me down every day, so one day after being fed up, I said 'I've had it. You and me after school, let's go.'

We met up after school and squared off, and yeah, he won (he had a good five inches and 30 lbs. on me), but I did get a few nice shots in. After that, no one bothered me. This was how it generally went with kids my age; if another kid is bullying you, you'd fight them.

You'd think this was some rough-and-tumble 70's schoolyard, but no...it was in 1994.


How the kids today handle bullies: Start an Anti-bullying coalition, an Anti-bullying Facebook group, get signatures on petitions for the local member of Parliament to lobby an Anti-bullying bill, hold Anti-bullying rallies...basically do anything and everything you can but stand up to your bully face-to-face.

My cousin did this exact same thing. It's like ratting on someone to their parents.

Yeah this is what I am talking about.

You rarely even see kids playing outside anymore.

And kids are so mellow with each other. You never even see them fighting.

No exaggeration, when I was in grade school, I was in a fight at a least once a week.

Hell, sometimes 3 fights in a day in recess.

Maybe it's all the pharms they drug kids up with these days.

Anyway you slice it, I just don't see much.

Dude when I was in highschool we would smoke cigs weed and drink beer in the courtyard at lunch. I've been thrown out of class for being too drunk or high many times. Also we all built hot rods. Even the nerd kids took a jab at it. I had a Vega with a de-stroked 350 with 12.5 pistons and a huge cam that would shake the windows of the school when I was 16. What happened to that?????????

Kids are more likely to be boot lickers:

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/03/in...tarys.html

Some friends and I were talking about music.

Each decade, there was a new genre of music born. It was created by the youth of that generation.

You had Guns 'N Roses and Ganger Rap in the 80s, Nirvana and Dr Dre in the 90s, and in the 2000s.... You had house? (House music was created by old guys.)

Where are the young guys?

Playing video games:

http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2011/01/vi...-snob.html

Simply put G. You're frustrated young guys don't want to destroy you by taking girls. However, you are unwilling to help young men eventhough you supposidly want to. That's the contradiction. If you think I am contacting older dudes because I want my hand held you're nuts. I'm disgustingly competitive.

So basically the issue is you want to help but yet you won't because you believe they are pussies and unable to improve. This is like telling me I would never get the job I currently have, instead here I am after working 100hrs a week being addicte to adderall and other things to make sure I got here. Either way, there are people in my generation willing to walk on glass and coals to get what they want. I'm one of them, born in 80s.

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Those people all suck.

I guess here is my point.

The younger generation (80's and 90's babies) have not created any revolution.

When I was a kid, we hated older people. We wanted to destroy them in every way shape and form.

The younger generations have just followed suit.

The last decade was horrible. The worst yet. I wrote about it here:

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/12/top...-ever.html

And this decade is shaping up to be even worse.

The fact that I can roll out and dominate nightlife and have younger kids look up to me is testament to that.

They should hate me. But instead, they want to be like me.

Trust me, I want young kids to step up.

I just don't see it happening, in popular culture, the streets, in biz, anything.

I am just not impressed. I wish I was.

I agree that there isn't as much of sn angry vibe. But, every generation complains about the younger generation.

The cynical and ironic vibe that I grew up with is out of style these days.

I kind of like the younger ones now, even though they don't seem as dark.

I think G means when he reaches out the younger guys are just to lazy to execute so why bother

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:01 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:57 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Hell, I am even looking for born in the 80's.

1984.

And I feel bad for the ladies; it's only getting worse as men become bigger and bigger pussies; why stand up for yourself, when the nanny state will do it for you?


How I handled a bully in my heyday: In fifth grade, this seventh grader was giving me shit and busting me down every day, so one day after being fed up, I said 'I've had it. You and me after school, let's go.'

We met up after school and squared off, and yeah, he won (he had a good five inches and 30 lbs. on me), but I did get a few nice shots in. After that, no one bothered me. This was how it generally went with kids my age; if another kid is bullying you, you'd fight them.

You'd think this was some rough-and-tumble 70's schoolyard, but no...it was in 1994.


How the kids today handle bullies: Start an Anti-bullying coalition, an Anti-bullying Facebook group, get signatures on petitions for the local member of Parliament to lobby an Anti-bullying bill, hold Anti-bullying rallies...basically do anything and everything you can but stand up to your bully face-to-face.

My cousin did this exact same thing. It's like ratting on someone to their parents.

Yeah this is what I am talking about.

You rarely even see kids playing outside anymore.

And kids are so mellow with each other. You never even see them fighting.

No exaggeration, when I was in grade school, I was in a fight at a least once a week.

Hell, sometimes 3 fights in a day in recess.

Maybe it's all the pharms they drug kids up with these days.

Anyway you slice it, I just don't see much.

Oh for sure; between helicopter parents (and every two-set of parents has at least one), the FOX News hysteria machine, the Internet and Video games, it's no wonder child obesity numbers are where they're at; why play outside when you can rock some level ups on WoW? Why hang out with your friends when you can IM them? Why try to bang girls when there's readily-available internet porn? Kids today have everything and nothing.

I really think that there's sort of a bell-curve effect that'll happen with young boys; the ones who are pussies will become bigger pussies, while the ones who are alpha thugs will be more alpha and thuggish.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:16 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude when I was in highschool we would smoke cigs weed and drink beer in the courtyard at lunch. I've been thrown out of class for being too drunk or high many times. Also we all built hot rods. Even the nerd kids took a jab at it. I had a Vega with a de-stroked 350 with 12.5 pistons and a huge cam that would shake the windows of the school when I was 16. What happened to that?????????

This is what I am talking about!

Where is the rebelliousness?

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:23 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Kids are more likely to be boot lickers:

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/03/in...tarys.html

Some friends and I were talking about music.

Each decade, there was a new genre of music born. It was created by the youth of that generation.

You had Guns 'N Roses and Ganger Rap in the 80s, Nirvana and Dr Dre in the 90s, and in the 2000s.... You had house? (House music was created by old guys.)

Where are the young guys?

Playing video games:

http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2011/01/vi...-snob.html

This is what I am talking about!

In the 90's you had house too.

But you had 5000 kids in the California desert all tripping on E-tabs together.

Even that is watered down.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:27 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I think G means when he reaches out the younger guys are just to lazy to execute so why bother

Right.

El mech I agree with that "reaching out" is trying to basically convert a guy who doesn't "get it". I don't reach out unless asked for advise as well, seems easy. But to say my entire generation is pussies even I am not going to take that on a forum. I will absolutely destroy my body/lifestyle to get what I want so the commentary is almost a direct insult. I may not get into "bar fights" but I sure as shit won't be walked over and I'll happily burn the midnight oil to do what needs to be done.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:26 PM)soup Wrote:  

I agree that there isn't as much of sn angry vibe. But, every generation complains about the younger generation.

The cynical and ironic vibe that I grew up with is out of style these days.

I kind of like the younger ones now, even though they don't seem as dark.

For me, it's not angry...More flabbergasted.

I was married for about a decade. Figured when I went out, I'd be washed up.

Now I go out...Where is my competition?

It sure as fuck isn't guys in their 20s.

Girls I date all ask to date my friends - who are old!

When I was in my early 20s, you'd occasionally see a girl go after an older guy.

Now it's extremely common for a girl to be dating a guy ten years older than herself.

That's because young guys, as a group, suck.

It's really worked out to my short-term advantage.

Young guys with great skin and muscle bodies should be murdering me. I should only be able to get scraps.

Instead, young guys stand at the bar in large groups. They form "circles" of boys and girls - like in Junior High!

Quote: (03-15-2012 12:57 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

How I handled a bully in my heyday: In fifth grade, this seventh grader was giving me shit and busting me down every day, so one day after being fed up, I said 'I've had it. You and me after school, let's go.'

We met up after school and squared off, and yeah, he won (he had a good five inches and 30 lbs. on me), but I did get a few nice shots in. After that, no one bothered me. This was how it generally went with kids my age; if another kid is bullying you, you'd fight them.

You'd think this was some rough-and-tumble 70's schoolyard, but no...it was in 1994.

How the kids today handle bullies: Start an Anti-bullying coalition, an Anti-bullying Facebook group, get signatures on petitions for the local member of Parliament to lobby an Anti-bullying bill, hold Anti-bullying rallies...basically do anything and everything you can but stand up to your bully face-to-face.

My cousin did this exact same thing. It's like ratting on someone to their parents.

Today's high-school kid, early-to-mid-20s guy:

   

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:32 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

El mech I agree with that "reaching out" is trying to basically convert a guy who doesn't "get it". I don't reach out unless asked for advise as well, seems easy. But to say my entire generation is pussies even I am not going to take that on a forum. I will absolutely destroy my body/lifestyle to get what I want so the commentary is almost a direct insult. I may not get into "bar fights" but I sure as shit won't be walked over and I'll happily burn the midnight oil to do what needs to be done.

Then you are not part of your generations problem.

You are the solution.

This is what I like to see.

Get the rest of them moving.

Great, but time is too short for me to convince my boring co-workers to dump their television and top 40s music for pounding sand to meet fly girls. I'd rather do it solo versus waste time convincing the young generation as you described. Waste of time. This is all part of the reason why I already pm'd you regarding game and don't care about buying a few drinks it's whatever to me, I'll undoubtedly learn something. I stopped trying to convince my friends about getting a life, I dropped them and kept the rare few who get it.

Quote: (03-15-2012 01:40 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Great, but time is too short for me to convince my boring co-workers to dump their television and top 40s music for pounding sand to meet fly girls. I'd rather do it solo versus waste time convincing the young generation as you described. Waste of time. This is all part of the reason why I already pm'd you regarding game and don't care about buying a few drinks it's whatever to me, I'll undoubtedly learn something. I stopped trying to convince my friends about getting a life, I dropped them and kept the rare few who get it.

Good job. So you agree. Waste of time.

Yes but if a dude reaches out and is serious I have no problems helping. I just don't recruit.