Darwin is a cruel mistress.

Quote: (04-11-2018 06:23 PM)Running Turtles Wrote:  

It's unprofessional to comment on anything before the NTSB report is complete, but some things stand out as interesting:

1) "6 months of flying lessons" and "... In the process of obtaining his license". If the guy didn't have his license and was not flying with an instructor, this is beyond bad.

2) I saw in another news article that he bought the plane as well. That's normally not recommended for a new pilot since there's a large amount of administration work. If the guy was looking to have a good time, being mostly interested in traveling and nightlife, it makes me question why he wouldn't just join a club and rent their planes. It's normally cheaper, safer and less work. The club will normally send a guy up with you to make sure you're safe before they let you rent a plane. It's not a checkride and mostly a formality for decent pilots.

3) They flew a single engine piston cross country, at night, over hilly terrain. Anyone who has practiced engine-out landings in an SEP will know how difficult it is to find a safe place to land at night. Everything below you is pitch black, so you have no idea if it's a smooth surface or sharp hill. It's perfectly legal though, and engine failures are not common.

They claim he “invested” in the plane as if to make him sound like he’s some kind of baller. You don’t invest in a 48 year old plane. Investment implies payoff. This plane was a black hole you shovel cash into. The kind idiot who would take 5 people for a ride in a plane he’s not qualified to fly, is the same type of idiot who would disregard safety and maintenance schedules.

This reminds me of jfk jr and his poor decisions that ultimately led to his premature and highly preventable death.

Quote: (04-11-2018 09:45 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Quote: (04-11-2018 06:47 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

6 adults plus baggage on a Piper PA24, I'm guessing it was overloaded.

^^^I agree, especially with two "Instagram Models" traveling with them-there was a shitton more luggage than 2 normal girls. It is also possible those chicks went shopping on their vacation, adding even more to the weight on the fatal flight.

Almost a certainty. According to records, N9456P was a Piper PA-24-260 Comanche with a maximum gross weight of 2,900 pounds. Empty weight without passengers, luggage, and fuel is about 1,750 pounds. 6 people, 2 men, 2 women, 2 unknown would be about 840 pounds (assuming 110 each for the two girls, 170 each for the two guys, 140 pounds for the two unknown). This is already at 2,590 pounds without fuel and without luggage. Fuel is probably over 400 pounds. Baggage is probably at least 20 pounds per person so another 120 pounds but probably had a lot more than 20 pounds each. Needless to say they were well over the limit.*

Another great reminder why you don't fly with an inexperienced pilot. This would have been spotted right away.

*corrections welcomed, just did a quick 5 min calculation.

I have a few acquaintances who own some of those small planes. One is a pilot and he once crashed due to low engine troubles.

Those planes are tricky and due to their small size are far less safe than commercial jets or private jets. You can joke and have fun all you want when you are safely in the air, but doing it during takeoff or landing is incredibly dangerous. There is a lot an experienced pilot can do when you are high in the air - in fact some of the best teachers let their students do various dangerous maneuvers in order to learn how to cope with it. But you do that with an experienced guy at high altitude.

In this case I doubt that she was good at it at all, then she lets others goof around. That's how evolution works.

Quote: (04-11-2018 05:10 PM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

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Four of the six people who died when their private plane crashed during a flight from Arizona to Las Vegas on Monday have been identified as Instagram stars, models and nightclub promoters.

...Aaaaaand nothing of value was lost that day.

Would it be accurate to say that their careers as "Instagram stars" professional attention whores crashed and burned...?

I suspect that the weight was not balanced properly, resulting in instability.

If it was merely a matter of excess of weight, the plane could have glided.

The loss of bangable fertile moderately intelligent pussy is never good:



The guy certainly did not want to die - he was just careless and exuberant. Young men are that way - always been like that and it will always remain that way.

He was well-off, had plenty of sex with hot girls, life was good. Of course you gotta be careful around certain things - or you won't live to see another day.

The 2 girls fastened to two rich/successful young men and wanted to have some fun.

Alas - Millennials are a bit lopsided in terms of having to learn skills - everything should come easy and fast - that is their motto.

Quote: (04-12-2018 05:49 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

You only die once!

Quote: (04-12-2018 05:25 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

I suspect that the weight was not balanced properly, resulting in instability.

If it was merely a matter of excess of weight, the plane could have glided.

How would it glide on take-off?

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:00 AM)Sandstorm Wrote:  

How would it glide on take-off?

If the plane crashed, I assume it was actually aloft for at least a couple of seconds.

Quote: (04-11-2018 07:07 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

Quote: (04-11-2018 04:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Four of the six people who died when their private plane crashed during a flight from Arizona to Las Vegas on Monday have been identified as Instagram stars....

This. THIS. Annoys the shit out of me. They are not 'stars.' They are not models. They are thots. Hoes. Whores. Fap material. Booty selfies do not qualify you as a model or star.

When you have articles and "stars" like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...-post.html

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The house that Instagram built! Bella Thorne, 20, reveals she earns $65,000 for a SINGLE social media post - and says her online earnings PAID for her lavish Los Angeles home

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Bella Thorne has revealed she earns $65,000 for a single Instagram post, and even bought her house thanks to money she made exclusively through social media.

The former Disney Channel star, 20, appears in the documentary Inside The Life of Bella Thorne, released on Tuesday by Vogue, which gives a 17-minute, behind-the-scenes look at Bella's career and how she has transitioned away from her polished Disney image.

At one point, she can be seen discussing her social media rates on the phone with an unknown person, lying down on a bed and propped up on a pillow.

It is not surprising the media takes inventory in such matters.

I agree with a previous poster....it may look like the plane had too much weight.

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:03 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:00 AM)Sandstorm Wrote:  

How would it glide on take-off?

If the plane crashed, I assume it was actually aloft for at least a couple of seconds.

Those small planes drop fast. My highly experienced pilot friend only survived because cables absorbed a good portion of the impact - or otherwise all of them would have died. And very low altitudes can be deadly.

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:07 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Those small planes drop fast. [...] And very low altitudes can be deadly.

They have (fixed) wings to provide lift. If they drop fast, something went terribly wrong. Probably the weight is not balanced properly and the plane becomes inherently unstable. F-16s can be inherently unstable, but they have fly-by-wire systems adjusting the control surfaces several times per second and keeping the plane stable. Small civilian planes cannot afford that luxury.

Scottsdale to Vegas. Flown that route a few times.

That route st night is pitch fucking black once you leave the city. This was made worse by low illumination, I'd have to check the sun and moon data but I'm guessing they had 0% illumination at the time of their flight.

Ah well, NTSB will tell us what we already know...pilot error.

Aviation man...it's a dangerous activity.

Quote: (04-11-2018 05:14 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

Their final pics are hauntingly stupid

Anyone else extremely put off by how fucking old this cockpit is? Holy shit. Things flew back then? (Well, obviously not this one, but still, you get what I mean)

Looks like the steering wheel of a Pontiac Fierro.

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:28 AM)Atomic Wrote:  

That route at night is pitch fucking black once you leave the city. This was made worse by low illumination, I'd have to check the sun and moon data but I'm guessing they had 0% illumination at the time of their flight.

Was the pilot even qualified to fly by instruments?

Didn't people learn anything from JFK Jr's idiocy??

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:41 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:28 AM)Atomic Wrote:  

That route at night is pitch fucking black once you leave the city. This was made worse by low illumination, I'd have to check the sun and moon data but I'm guessing they had 0% illumination at the time of their flight.

Was the pilot even qualified to fly by instruments?

Didn't people learn anything from JFK Jr's idiocy??

Brutha, look at those "instruments." Looks like something from Deepthroat.

It is not unusual for private aircraft to be over forty years old. There are very few manufacturers of new small aircraft left, because the expense of lawsuits whenever some doctor crashed into the side of a mountain.

Here's my shot in the dark.

During takeoff the instagram whores were not sitting in their seats. They were probably a little drunk (or a lot drunk) and busy doing their jobs, ie taking selfies while kneeling in the seats or standing in the aisle or whatever. Fair odds they were all packed on the side of the plane where the windows were facing the lights of the city for obvious selfie-based reasons.

So the pilot decides he's going to play Captain BigMan and either go for a steep climb and/or gain some altitude before banking hard. Figures he can get the girls to scream and get a little wet.

Possibility one. He climbs hard (possible in that plane?) and all the dumbshits along with all their luggage tumble to the back of the plane. This causes it to become extremely tail heavy. It momentarily looks like the world's dumbest helicopter and plummets to earth.

Possibility two. He banks hard, sending the remainder of the passengers and luggage on the high side to the low side. The pilot can no longer straighten up or simply panics and fails to use the options available. The plane knifes into the ground sideways.

If I were a betting man...

Quote: (04-11-2018 07:07 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

Quote: (04-11-2018 04:01 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Four of the six people who died when their private plane crashed during a flight from Arizona to Las Vegas on Monday have been identified as Instagram stars....

This. THIS. Annoys the shit out of me. They are not 'stars.' They are not models. They are thots. Hoes. Whores. Fap material. Booty selfies do not qualify you as a model or star.

Well modei is the go-to term for whores these days so yeah, they're models.

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:37 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Anyone else extremely put off by how fucking old this cockpit is?

Come on, bro. That's a little harsh. I know we like to talk a big game about the wall here, but she was only 23.

Quote: (04-12-2018 06:28 AM)Atomic Wrote:  

Scottsdale to Vegas. Flown that route a few times.

That route st night is pitch fucking black once you leave the city. This was made worse by low illumination, I'd have to check the sun and moon data but I'm guessing they had 0% illumination at the time of their flight.

Yup, a lot of that region is not even recommended for driving after dark. About as desolate as America gets.

With that said, I know the spot where they crashed. It's literally a golf course at the end of the runway. These folks barely got off the ground.

"Instagram stars"

G'damn I'm old

I've thought about taking flying lessons but those small planes seem dangerous as fuck. The wind tosses those light planes around like a kite while you're going 100mph trying to land. A little mistake you're RIP.

The Cirrus SR22 is the most popular, sexy personal plane right now, they're supposedly the safest yet they still have hundreds of fatalities every year. It looks cool as hell but once you start going 130mph+ you're risking your life just getting in the damn thing.

Noone owns newer aircraft except doctors and wealthy people. Even a basic Cessna model is like 280k. The only affordable planes for normies are at least 30 years old like this one.

Probably got killed showing off for the babes.