My California car registration just jumped from around $100 a year ago to $190, nearly double!

Doing research on properties in Idaho, Utah, Nevada, etc. as we speak.

Time and again, they are forcing native Californians who are law-abiding citizens out of this state. My county just approved a huge bond measure that will make the house taxes an additional $400 per year, because muh childrenz needz the munney!

Between the homeless druggies, never-ending tax increases, illegal alien drivers (my car insurance has skyrocketed!), home insurance increases (the fires caused by the homeless have also caused my premiums to double), gun control, etc. there's simply no reason to stay in this state.

I want all the good people of California to move out, then the mother of all earthquakes to take the illegals, criminal politician scum, phaggotry, etc. to float out into the Pacific.

Quote: (02-20-2018 02:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Nobody cares about the homeless until they are next door to their communities. It is largely boring rich white folks who virtue signal the most when the homeless start to creep into the parks and bridges besides their communities.

Gentrification is the new phenomenon because in the old days these boring rich assholes would just move away. They would move farther out or go find a hill and build nice houses on them and gate themselves away from the city. Now they have all flocked back and start complaining about the mish-mash that has always been in the city. Riff-raft and transients have always existed in cities and add to the character of the place. You notice that these only became "social issues" when the rich boring folks started moving back to the city and didn't want the nightclubs, artists, or transients near them.

The irony is that running out slumlords whom would operate rooming houses has added to the homeless crisis. As long as the building is up to fire code I see no reason why it can't be inhabited and rented out. Rooming house rules have been hardened so that you can't build them in many parts of town. Lots of times the older Victorian style homes were used as you can pack more rooms into them but these are the homes that rich bougies like to buy and renovate and turn into their little urban mansions.

Quote: (02-19-2018 09:51 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

The third-world-ification continues:

Quote:NBC Wrote:

How dirty is San Francisco? An NBC Bay Area Investigation reveals a dangerous mix of drug needles, garbage, and feces throughout downtown San Francisco. The Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of the city – the more than 20-mile stretch includes popular tourist spots like Union Square and major hotel chains. The area – bordered by Van Ness Avenue, Market Street, Post Street and Grant Avenue – is also home to City Hall, schools, playgrounds, and a police station.

As the Investigative Unit photographed nearly a dozen hypodermic needles scattered across one block, a group of preschool students happened to walk by on their way to an afternoon field trip to citiy hall.
“We see poop, we see pee, we see needles, and we see trash,” said teacher Adelita Orellana. “Sometimes they ask what is it, and that’s a conversation that’s a little difficult to have with a 2-year old, but we just let them know that those things are full of germs, that they are dangerous, and they should never be touched.”

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Di...30013.html

This is the one recurring thing that I hear about SF and what has kept me away. As a child, I was very big in Americana and would read books about American trails, parks, and cities. I was big into Ken Burns and all that stuff as well. San Fransisco, in pictures, looked to me like the most pleasant and nice place in America with its uniform street grid, uniform trees, and colourful buildings. I have always wanted to go and see this place in person. It almost appeared perfect.

Over time though all I hear is that SF smells like piss, is dirty, ramshackle, and oddly cold for California. After my friend lived in the Bay Area and told me how much of a dump SF I realized all the stuff I was known as a kid was likely a lie. Now on Youtube, you can google drive videos, or people just walking around with a go-pro. I do this for many places, especially SF and it confirms now what everyone is saying. The place looks like its stained in pee and all the paint is chipping away at everything in town. From far away the place looks very nice but in reality, on street level, it is a dump.

I saw this first hand here. The 'code' that slumlords have to keep their rooms to is the same as a 5 star hotel. These slumlords - if which I tenanted for 9 years - make almost zero profit. They look long term, in the value of the land once the ghetto gentrifies (it always does). I also worked as a tradesmen fabricating and installing stainless steel products like vanities, counter tops, etc. Things that could take a beating and still be kept 'clean'. These were in social housing units that cost as much per sqft as a market rate condo. And in 6 months, they would have to be gutted because the people who occupy government housing DO NOT GIVE A SHIT.

In regards to San Francisco, the fist time I was there was when I was riding my motorcycle to Central America. It looked nice from the hilltop in Marin where I camped the night before I entered the city. But I was in for a huge shock when I actually got into the city. The hotel I stayed in made me park my bike in the courtyard as it would 100% be stolen. That night I was followed by a cholo dude who I know was up to no good. General petty crime is through the roof. The Tenderloin smells like Calcutta and the Mission is a run down and dirty version of Mexico City.

Yeah, in all SF is shithole with areas that are jaw dropping beautiful. But its tightly packed and the spillover is inevitable. It has a great history, and I love this aspect but I would NEVER live there. Its sad to see what was once the most masculine city of the world become such a pit of despair. Even the people that live there, like my very good friend who makes $130k a year, complain all the time. The bubbles that people live in are necessary even when it makes them into everything they hate.

Quote: (02-20-2018 03:38 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I wonder if the cause of virtue signalling is that people in general aren't in touch with their feelings or their true nature(to put it in a kooky way).

If they weren't actually doing anything themselves, and they were in touch with their feelings and had a more holistic understanding of themselves and their subconscious... maybe they might arrive at the conclusion that we shouldn't be doing more. It's the way the going goes- you subconsciously don't think you should do anything about it, that's why you're not, so why don't you consciously think that?

It's obviously uncomfortable for a lot of people to look deep inside themselves that way but I believe it's necessary.

The Homeless Question™ virtue signalers are among the most intellectually dishonest and lazy. They get to feel good about parroting the usual talking points about compassion, et all but never seem to put their money where their mouth is. How many of them have spent their spare time at the local soup kitchen? Needless to say that question is rhetorical. Yet somehow they feel entitled to pass judgement on others who are at least honest about their assessment of the situation and offer real solutions, however unpleasant they may sound. They don't give a shit about solving any real world problems. They sure as fuck don't want to get their hands dirty. They only care about appearing 'high minded' and righteous.

Redpanels summed it up:

Let me get this straight. We are hating on the richest state in the USA which is the driver for all the cutting-edge technological innovation in the world where the highest number of $100k+ jobs are lying vacant while ignoring the rubbish and incompetent red-run states like Arkansas? Maybe if those states started implementing Californias economic policies they would be more competitive and less of a shithole.

Sounds about right for the intellectual honesty on this forum

Quote: (02-21-2018 06:27 PM)DragonsandTigers Wrote:  

Let me get this straight. We are hating on the richest state in the USA which is the driver for all the cutting-edge technological innovation in the world where the highest number of $100k+ jobs are lying vacant while ignoring the rubbish and incompetent red-run states like Arkansas? Maybe if those states started implementing Californias economic policies they would be more competitive and less of a shithole.

Sounds about right for the intellectual honesty on this forum

Ah look another intellectual liberal troll.

Richest and also the LARGEST acceptee of welfare.

If you knew anything about how silicon valley works, you'd start talking about the HB1 epidemic that these companies employ.

Not to mention censorship, harassment, and firing people who even slight disagree with the narrative.

California economic policies are ass backwards - I literally work in tech/mfg and I can't tell you how many companies are uprooting and moving to more friendlier states like Texas, Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado.

Fun fact - Tesla has a new factory in Nevad near Reno - even they know what's up.

Want to talk more about economics ? Look up CalPers MILLIONS in unfunded liabilities - meaning the state is fucked.

All the tax revenue isn't going where it's supposed to go, even going to illegal aliens defense funds, and thousands of homeless are pouring into california because of the ability to jump on welfare. Even other states are sending 1 way tickets for the homeless out here.

Let's talk about early release of prisoners and felons and how crime has jumped dramatically the last few years.

All of this courtesy of that shit stain Jerry Brown and the super majority legislators.

I've lived here my entire life, so don't sit here and tell me what the fuck is going on - you're out of your mind if you think other states should deploy california policies.

Get off the soy you fag.

Pour one out for DragonsandTigers homie.



Like a Super Nova across the sky so brightly he burned.

Right on kaotic, preach. I've lived in California for over 20 years, you're right on the money. I've been having friends who are CalPERS pension retirees pull all their funds out ASAP. It is a complete ponzi scheme. They only have $0.71 on the dollar for BILLIONS of labilities with no relief in sight. Just creative accounting is keeping the thing "afloat". If it wasn't for the government running this thing, it would be called Bernard Madoff 2.0.

HB1 are a great way of importing people that don't assimilate, while cutting wages. Google, Facebook, Apple aren't some fairy godmother of jobs. They are actively working on destroying the middle-class. Even at close to $100k per year in the Bay Area, that is an unlivable wage. Rents are insane and mortgages more so. Do you think the rich tech oligarchs give a shit from their Sanoma and Marin county palaces? These are the people who are working with thought crime groups like the ADL and SPLC to ban any free speech right of Karl Marx. They've already been successful in most of Europe, and California is their beachhead state for leftist statist government overlords.

kaotic and other Californians, are you renting or owning? What's your exit strategy, if you have one? I'm looking to sell off my California holdings and take the low-cost living states as an upgrade to a nicer home, or large cash savings. I don't think California real estate can appreciate too much more, given that the fundamentals that keep society civil are rapidly collapsing into a 3rd world hellhole. I have parents that are still alive in California. I hope they live for a long time, but as soon as they die, I'm selling off their house while the market is still up. A lot of people are going to be upside down on their mortgages when the next big correction comes, just like 2008 all over again. The handwriting is on the wall. It will be worse next time, given that all the pressure points on the fabric of society are fraying. Anyone who says otherwise is in deep denial, or completely ignorant.

There are many reasons to like California but the state gubments economic policies aint one of them

@ John Michael Kane. Those tech magnates coastal mansions will never ever be cheap nor vacant. While the rest of RE market will undoubtedly cycle down (it always does) it will inevitably rise back up (it always has). All that happens in the down cycles is just more concentration of wealth inside the fenced enclaves.

Thats really all that happened in 2008.

If you can get on the right side of the fences, CA will always be a great place to live.

@papayatappe:

But will it? Enough of an exodus of net tax-payers, followed by an inflow of even more illegals, means that the state's most basic services such keep the roads paved are in jeopardy. The Bay Bridge project was outsourced using crappy Chinese steel that makes it questionable if it will stand up over time. The Orville Damn disaster could have been a lot worse and they really dodged that bullet, but only for so long. California is massively behind on capital infrastructure projects that actually sustain a livable state. So much is wasted on social services for non-productive citizens that I don't see any easy way out of this mess, short of it all heading off a cliff sooner or later. It is a nice place to live if you have the money, but for how long?

California is a beautiful place to live with a great climate. That doesn't negate the fact that there are serious (and in my experience, unavoidable) pathways already opened towards the 3rd-world-ification of this state. You need a stable base of tax-paying, law-abiding citizens to maintain a society, but California is exporting them and importing more criminals each year. This isn't sustainable.

Quote: (02-21-2018 06:57 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

kaotic and other Californians, are you renting or owning? What's your exit strategy, if you have one? I'm looking to sell off my California holdings and take the low-cost living states as an upgrade to a nicer home, or large cash savings. I don't think California real estate can appreciate too much more, given that the fundamentals that keep society civil are rapidly collapsing into a 3rd world hellhole. I have parents that are still alive in California. I hope they live for a long time, but as soon as they die, I'm selling off their house while the market is still up. A lot of people are going to be upside down on their mortgages when the next big correction comes, just like 2008 all over again. The handwriting is on the wall. It will be worse next time, given that all the pressure points on the fabric of society are fraying. Anyone who says otherwise is in deep denial, or completely ignorant.

Come to Texas brother, you will be welcomed with open arms.

We have already been getting such a large exodus of people from California and New York. I only hope that the liberals that come here don't bring their voting patterns with them, but we'll see.

The Texas gubernatorial election is in November and it looks likely that a female latina will be the democratic candidate. It shouldn't be close but who knows. Just the mere fact that someone like that may be a candidate here is a scary proposition. You get someone like that in power long enough and it's California/Venezuala 2.0....

Quote: (02-20-2018 04:12 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

The homeless are just an under-utilized resource.

Quote: (02-21-2018 08:48 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

Quote: (02-21-2018 06:57 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

kaotic and other Californians, are you renting or owning? What's your exit strategy, if you have one? I'm looking to sell off my California holdings and take the low-cost living states as an upgrade to a nicer home, or large cash savings. I don't think California real estate can appreciate too much more, given that the fundamentals that keep society civil are rapidly collapsing into a 3rd world hellhole. I have parents that are still alive in California. I hope they live for a long time, but as soon as they die, I'm selling off their house while the market is still up. A lot of people are going to be upside down on their mortgages when the next big correction comes, just like 2008 all over again. The handwriting is on the wall. It will be worse next time, given that all the pressure points on the fabric of society are fraying. Anyone who says otherwise is in deep denial, or completely ignorant.

Come to Texas brother, you will be welcomed with open arms.

We have already been getting such a large exodus of people from California and New York. I only hope that the liberals that come here don't bring their voting patterns with them, but we'll see.

The Texas gubernatorial election is in November and it looks likely that a female latina will be the democratic candidate. It shouldn't be close but who knows. Just the mere fact that someone like that may be a candidate here is a scary proposition. You get someone like that in power long enough and it's California/Venezuala 2.0....

That's part of the appeal of moving to a state like Texas, it is a possibly purple state going blue if conservatives living in blue states don't solidify the red strongholds. I've been through Texas multiple times, and love the state. Plenty of industry and jobs in most areas, with affordable housing relative to California. What part of Texas are you in, and where would you recommend a California refugee look to move? Thanks for the pointers.

Visited California for the first time a couple weeks ago as part of a layover during a long flight home from Asia. I landed at SFO in the afternoon absolutely drained , the weather lived up to my expectations as it was a perfect mid 70s with sunny skys. Got in a rental car and drove down the coast with no real plan, pulling over often to explore and photograph the landscape until I hit Shark Fin Cove at sunset, it was a blissful experience. I ate an overpriced sandwich at a starbucks somewhere, passed out in the car, woke up and drove to the airport the next morning for my flight. I feel like I got a glimpse at what could be the ideal place to live, what a shame that its so corrupt and fucked up.

If you want to understand what living in California is like, just watch KRON4's "People Behaving Badly" segments...

Couple of recent reports:










Plus some of my favorites:

My car insurance premium for two cars jumped from $1,600 to $2,900 for six months. Gas prices are approaching $4.00 and will hit $5.00 by summer. They added an extra $100 to each car's registration renewal notice to finance bullet-train-to-gay-francisco. This alone will make Commifornia unlivable for most people cause owning a car is a must.

Rents are out of control in LA County but nobody seems to give a flying fuck. Silicon Valley soiboiz are moving to LA and bringing with them their SJWLGBTQXYZism. Two days ago I was around the Skid Row and the homeless population has doubled in two years. It has been a very dry season for SoCal and water prices will definitely go up in spring. Traffic is getting out of control. I can't find a single positive thing to say about the future of this beautiful state. The pension crisis will cripple its finances and make it worse than Tijuana. In addition, being a conservative sane person is becoming more and more dangerous. Cali will become a classic case of dystopia in the next decade.

It will be damn interesting to see how things play out.

If Hillary was elected then I would presume that every prog state in the nation would be bailed out to infinity but with Trump as POTUS I very much doubt he's going to ride in on a white horse and save that shithole from itself..

There's definitely been an element of Bay Area SJW's lately in LA. Kind of ironic, given they used to take pride in hating LA. This is generally confined to the gentrified neighborhoods, maybe Santa Monica as well.

I think what's interesting about LA, & probably a huge misunderstanding, is that it's really not this super liberal city in the annoying sense where SJW culture defines the city. It's different, alternative, but there's also some of most wealth you'll see anywhere in the world.

LA is about what's cool/sexy/glamorous, so politics sort of takes a backseat to that, where in the Bay Area, progressive politics is baseline.

The prices are getting extravagant though. The valley used to be affordable for LA, it's not anymore.

Quote: (02-22-2018 01:40 AM)speculator Wrote:  

My car insurance premium for two cars jumped from $1,600 to $2,900 for six months. Gas prices are approaching $4.00 and will hit $5.00 by summer. They added an extra $100 to each car's registration renewal notice to finance bullet-train-to-gay-francisco. This alone will make Commifornia unlivable for most people cause owning a car is a must.

Rents are out of control in LA County but nobody seems to give a flying fuck. Silicon Valley soiboiz are moving to LA and bringing with them their SJWLGBTQXYZism. Two days ago I was around the Skid Row and the homeless population has doubled in two years. It has been a very dry season for SoCal and water prices will definitely go up in spring. Traffic is getting out of control. I can't find a single positive thing to say about the future of this beautiful state. The pension crisis will cripple its finances and make it worse than Tijuana. In addition, being a conservative sane person is becoming more and more dangerous. Cali will become a classic case of dystopia in the next decade.

Doy you have transportable skills that you can take to another state? For all the reasons you mentioned and more, it is becoming more and more unlivable. This is especially true if you've lived here all your life and have seen the slow, but steady descent into madness.

Quote: (02-22-2018 02:29 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It will be damn interesting to see how things play out.

If Hillary was elected then I would presume that every prog state in the nation would be bailed out to infinity but with Trump as POTUS I very much doubt he's going to ride in on a white horse and save that shithole from itself..

True, Hilldawg would have bailed out all her "friends" like the crony she is. Thank God we don't have her in office! *shudder*

As for Trump, he stuck it to blue states like California with the tax bill, meaning that property taxes in excess of $10k per year are no longer countable for a tax deduction. Works great to stick it to liberals in blue states that have overinflated real estate, but more than a few conservatives can been caught up by the new law. Still, a net benefit in the grand scheme of things. California is ground zero for illegal invaders into other states, so anything that hastens the collapse is probably for the best in the end. The only way out is if Trump started arresting the criminals running this state and charging them with treason. I love the man, but am not sure he's willing to go far enough. More than a few of California's "leaders" should be strung up by a rope. They aren't loyal to the Constitution, they are loyal to their embezzling and cheating ways, and the illegals and anyone else who keeps them in power. Prison would be too good for these scum.

Trump is better off letting California implode and mitigating the fallout. Socialist states have to be allowed to fail. No matter how bad things get, if you intervene before literal bankruptcy proceedings then the full-retard commie crew will launch into full-scale rebellion claiming that utopia was just around the corner before the fascists swooped in to prevent their hard work coming to fruition, lighting the way forward for the rest of the world.

At least when you let these shitholes go totally feral the marxists are reduced to falling back on the old "that wasn't real socialism" trope.


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Anyone young enough to have watched spongebob or old enough to have kids that watched it will undoubtedly remember the original scene. It's 100% on point when dealing with marxists.

Quote: (02-22-2018 01:20 AM)Gallego2006 Wrote:  

If you want to understand what living in California is like, just watch KRON4's "People Behaving Badly" segments...

Couple of recent reports:

That right there seems like the product only California could make: Jerry Garcia's long-lost brother, living in non-seaworthy boat for 10 years in a marina, paddling to shore for supplies (probably instant mashed potatoes) in a dinghy with a 2x4 because he can't even be assed to buy a paddle.

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It's still the largest economy in the US. The Golden State will be okay.

The largest economy doesn't spell the big picture. You can have a massive economy, but the lionshare going to oligarchy and the middle class getting destroyed.

Yeah, too many forbes articles have been saying since the 90s that somehow California was going to turn into anarchy, lol. Then usually praising Texas. They always made sure to forget Texas has the second highest number of illegal immigrants while highlighting California has the most...it's also more populated, Texas may have more per capita although there doesn't seem to be any recent data on this.

California's fantastic climate, natural resources, location and sheer good luck provide a large buffer zone between it and the consequences of its idiotic decisions. However, even that will run out someday. You can't taunt natural laws no matter how blessed you are - nay, you can't taunt natural laws especially because of how blessed you are. The more arrogant you are about your advantages, the harder you will fall when the time comes.