[budoslavic]

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[John Michael Kane]

Damn. I knew parts of the Bay Area like SF and Oakland were literal shitholes. Didn't realize that the OC had such a problem. In all my years of visiting that area, I've always felt it was much nicer than LA proper. Looks like kaotic needs help for the neighborhood cleanup squad.

[TravelerKai]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/...-plan.html

Quote:

Facing a public backlash, officials in Southern California's Orange County rescinded their plan Tuesday for emergency homeless shelters in three cities.

The homeless shelters in Irvine, Huntington Beach and Laguna Niguel were to house up to 400 people, the Orange County Register reported. Laguna Niguel ranks seventh among the nation’s wealthiest cities, according to a 2016 Register report.

"They're just dumping these poor people in our neighborhoods and communities where there are like six schools and, you know, little children walking to school," Irvine resident Radhika Athlaye told ABC7. "Just a general area where it's not right for either the homeless or the residents of Irvine."

The Orange County Board of Supervisors’ unanimous vote undid its March 19 approval of the three-city homeless plan, which would have located 200 homeless people in Irvine, then 100 in Huntington Beach and 100 in Laguna Niguel, if needed.

The vote was met with swift and widespread pushback. Within a day, the Irvine and Laguna Niguel city councils voted to sue the county, and Irvine filed its lawsuit on Monday.

The proposals came after a federal judge forced Orange County to come up with a plan to house the homeless population that is being relocated from along the banks of the Santa Ana River.

During a court hearing earlier this month, U.S. District Judge David O. Carter said he won't constrain the county to specific locations, but wanted to see officials create emergency shelters. Carter is overseeing a lawsuit against the county from seven homeless plaintiffs over the action to clear the tent city on the Santa Ana riverbed.

COMMUNITY FIGHTS BACK AS CALIFORNIA OVERRUN BY HOMELESSNESS, HUMAN WASTE, NEEDLES

Calif. State Sen. John Moorlach told CBSLA that Carter is asking the impossible from Orange County communities.

“We’ve got a federal judge that says, ‘Hey, release inmates,’ on one end, and I got a federal judge saying, ‘Take care of those homeless,’ on this end,” he told the television station.

Besides floating the possibility of reusing a soon-to-be closed development center as possible housing, the state senator told the CBS station that area residents shouldn't be completely opposed to any housing for homeless being placed around them.

“You can’t just keep tying the hands of people that are trying help out by just being obstinate about it,” Moorlach told CBSLA. “We’ve got to find our balance; we’ve gotta say, you know, ‘When does compassion kick in,’ more than ‘Not in my backyard.’ Because, baby, it is in your backyard. It’s on your riding trails. It’s on Fairview Park. We’ve got homeless everywhere.”

HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT RELOCATION PLAN HAS CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS OUTRAGED

At least 250 protesters rallied outside Irvine City Hall on Thursday, Friday and Sunday. By Tuesday, thousands, mostly from Irvine, protested the board’s plan with crowds so large that many people couldn't get inside the meeting, according to FOX11.

Cities across the county are expected to meet during a court hearing on April 3 that will double as a summit on homelessness, which homeless advocates told the Register they hope will serve as a forum for new shelter ideas.

“We’ve got to work cooperatively and collaboratively and let the group at large come up with some good solutions to homelessness,” Supervisor Lisa Bartlett told the paper.

The board could then vote on the new county-wide plan as soon as April 10.

There has to be a lot more to this story. Why are Irvine folks protesting the building of a homeless shelter and want the tent cities removed at the same time? Can Kaotic or others explain this?

I thought Californians are soft on homeless, which is why those tents are such a problem in the first place, and now they do not even want them to build a shelter either? Where else are you going to put them?

These areas of OC are very rich, or full of rich people. Is it that they do not want the homeless near them at all? Well that does not sound very liberal to me!

Sounds like they need a wall around Orange County and need to relocate the homeless to a less pretty area of California. Limousine Liberals.....

[BlueMark]

Orange county is traditionally one of the less liberal parts of urban California.

Look to the SF Bay Area for examples of limousine liberalism in action.

For example, see the opposition in Marin County to George Lucas building affordable housing.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(03-28-2018 09:56 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I thought Californians are soft on homeless, which is why those tents are such a problem in the first place, and now they do not even want them to build a shelter either? Where else are you going to put them?

Assuming California is ok with its greenhouse gas emissions, I guess a Soylent Green processing plant could work just fine...

[kaotic]

FYI Yesterday the OC Board of Supervisors rolled back the plan to put the homeless in 3 cities in the county.

Huntington Beach a tourist destination and upper class area. (Land value is high)
Laguna Niguel a very high end suburbia center.
Irvine a middle/upper class white collar suburb that was rated one of the safest in the nation.

LOTS of pissed of residents went after the board - it took less than a week for the board to realize they fucked up.


ALSO: OC is joining the lawsuit against the state sanctuary laws.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/27/hu...s-meeting/

ALSO: OC Sheriff is bypassing the sanctuary law by posting public release dates of all inmates. This way everyone (including ICE will know when they'll be released).

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/26/in...ase-dates/


There's a slow revolt in California that's coming - the left pushed too far this time.

[TravelerKai]

That's interesting. Thanks for the intel.

[kaotic]

Just wait till this summer - the gas taxes that were just put in place will make an impact.

Why? Because we have to switch to a "summer blend" here in California - lots of residents pissed about gas prices increasing already.

[PapayaTapper]

(03-28-2018 11:15 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

FYI Yesterday the OC Board of Supervisors rolled back the plan to put the homeless in 3 cities in the county.

Huntington Beach a tourist destination and upper class area. (Land value is high)
Laguna Niguel a very high end suburbia center.
Irvine a middle/upper class white collar suburb that was rated one of the safest in the nation.

LOTS of pissed of residents went after the board - it took less than a week for the board to realize they fucked up.


ALSO: OC is joining the lawsuit against the state sanctuary laws.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/27/hu...s-meeting/

ALSO: OC Sheriff is bypassing the sanctuary law by posting public release dates of all inmates. This way everyone (including ICE will know when they'll be released).

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/26/in...ase-dates/


There's a slow revolt in California that's coming - the left pushed too far this time.

Quote:

Joese Hernandez, an Anaheim resident who calls himself a community organizer, said, “It’s clear how these people care about this issue because it’s happening in their backyard. But the fact of the matter is the city of Santa Ana has been dealing with the issue of homelessness for a long time and it’s about time that every city is part of the solution and offers up land for homeless people to be housed.”

What Santa Ana has been doing is called "enabling"

Quote:

“The problem is that any place in Irvine, there’s going to be opposition. No city wants homeless shelters built. … There are people who’ve been working on this for years, and we’ll be here at the next board of supervisors meeting to continue to work for real solutions, not just saying we are against shelters in our city.”

So true....People such as Milton Friedman, and Thomas Sowell have been decrying the destructive nature of welfare states.

Not only that, but think of all the funds that could be redirected towards mental health care for the ones that truly need it (and there are many among the homeless populations)

OC is actually pretty conservative. The Board of Supervisors is made up of all republicans

[SamuelBRoberts]

OC went for Hillary in 2016, so I'm not sure about the slow revolution thing.

[PapayaTapper]

(03-28-2018 08:49 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

OC went for Hillary in 2016, so I'm not sure about the slow revolution thing.

Its funny but Im kind of sensing a shift as well though. I often push the envelope in mixed company conversations to "test the water" and I am getting more "Yes!!!...Im glad you said that" type of responses.

Im also noticing a complete loss of faith in MSM (Several people have stated how even though they despise Trump as a person the hysteria wasn't justified and theyre tired of the manufactured outrage)


Im cautiously optimistic that pendulum bob has reached max idiocy position (or the swing in that direction has slowed)

[speculator]

Quote:

There has to be a lot more to this story. Why are Irvine folks protesting the building of a homeless shelter and want the tent cities removed at the same time? Can Kaotic or others explain this?

I thought Californians are soft on homeless, which is why those tents are such a problem in the first place, and now they do not even want them to build a shelter either? Where else are you going to put them?

Irvine is mainly populated with Persians and rich Chinese who built mansions in that area. They give zero fucks about these homeless people or Sacramento's asinine policies. If you watch the footage of the protest, it's mainly FOB Chinese residents.

[speculator]

The only way for Republicans to take back California is to form a coalition of various ethnic groups that share somewhat traditional values. Whites are a minority and most of them are lost cases anyway. By focusing on and working with Chinese, Armenian, Korean, Persian, Russian, and other traditional communities it will be possible to claw back some parts of California, especially some districts in LA and OC counties. Now, when the most productive whites have fled the state, the burden of welfare state has fallen onto the shoulders of these communities. Even well-off Hispanics are complaining about their parasitic brethren.

Blacks need a different approach. They need to understand that Mexicans don't tolerate them and sooner or later they will be forced to leave all major cities in California. South Central LA is not black anymore. Due to Mexican racism, most blacks are relocating to Inland Empire. They are getting straight out of Compton.

[WalterBlack]

There's fucking homeless everywhere, I live in an area of LA where the average home is well north of a million, and there's at least 5 homeless people who sleep in the same spots every day, all within 200 yards of my apartment. I've been in my area for over a year and these people have never been moved on. One of them lives next to a kid's park. I don't know what the fuck the local government is doing...

As somebody who came here legally as an immigrant from the UK, fuck illegal immigrants! I passed my citizenship interview last week and I expect to receive my citizenship certificate in a few weeks!

[budoslavic]

[kaotic]

(03-29-2018 03:04 AM)speculator Wrote:  

Blacks need a different approach. They need to understand that Mexicans don't tolerate them and sooner or later they will be forced to leave all major cities in California. South Central LA is not black anymore. Due to Mexican racism, most blacks are relocating to Inland Empire. They are getting straight out of Compton.

This is a very important issue because black gangs and families are suddenly popping deeper inland in places like San Bernardino country.

Black flight is a real thing from LA and it's making the IE a shithole also

You're right, we definitely need a coalition, hell Indian/Middle Eastern business owners have to deal with a lot of shitty people and homeless people as well.

Those fuckers don't vote liberal - same with gas station owners. (Their spoiled liberal kids may be another story)

Currently there is a super majority of liberals in Sacramento, we have two fucking retards running for Governor on the left side - and some decent candidates on the right, but they're somewhat RINO's.

I'm not sure what the cure is here - Trump and the DOJ seriously need to find a way to turn off the gov funding tap to CA.

That's a start.

Second, Law Enforcement Agencies need to tell Sacramento to fuck off, and should work with ICE.

Third, every city and country need to join the federal lawsuit against the Sanctuary laws.

Once people start seeing this happen, we might get a foothold.

Even liberal friends of mine are starting to wake up - because their gas prices are going up, their car registration is going up, their city tax is going up, early release prisoners are breaking into their cars.

Californians may be liberal but fuck with their money and eventually it'll overcome their belief systems - you don't fuck with peoples money.

[heavy]

Adam Carolla said on his show 3/28 (part 2, toward the end) (I just listened on my way in to work this morning):

Two things his producer Mike August predicted years ago, that he sees happening now:
- California will legalize pot, because they're too progressive to ignore the freedom and the budget-saving tax dollars
- Mexico will take back California without firing a shot

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/ACS-P...Paul-Rugg-

[PapayaTapper]

(03-29-2018 11:19 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Adam Carolla said on his show 3/28 (part 2, toward the end) (I just listened on my way in to work this morning):

Two things his producer Mike August predicted years ago, that he sees happening now:
- California will legalize pot, because they're too progressive to ignore the freedom and the budget-saving tax dollars
- Mexico will take back California without firing a shot

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/ACS-P...Paul-Rugg-

Meh...Likely not in our or our childrens', grand children's, or great grand childrens' life times.
People can say what they want about CA but (to kaotics point above) its too much of an important economic engine for the US. If there was ever an entity that was "too big to fail" then CA's economy is.

CA is the US's economic"fuel tank". In the 50's and 60's it was post war boom (aerospace and military spending) that topped off the tank. In the 70s and 80's it was the influx of Japanese cash, the 90's Saudi's and Iranian. Now it's the Chinese / Asian money still pouring in

CA has major dysfunctions for sure. But at the same time there's too much going for it. Even in the depth of the 2008 global crisis money was pouring in. The US is still the place a significant majority of the world sees as "safe" from economic and political oppression (relative to most any other). It isn't just migrant workers and other cultures' bottom dwellers that want to come here. The moneyed elite from around the world will for the foreseeable future also want to bring part, if not all of their wealth here as a hedge.

So where is that $ going? By and large the coasts (and that is true globally as well) Thats not going to change any time soon

[HornyRamone]

(03-28-2018 10:29 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 09:56 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

I thought Californians are soft on homeless, which is why those tents are such a problem in the first place, and now they do not even want them to build a shelter either? Where else are you going to put them?

Assuming California is ok with its greenhouse gas emissions, I guess a Soylent Green processing plant could work just fine...

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Cook the homeless to feed the homeless.

[Foolsgo1d]

(03-28-2018 09:56 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

There has to be a lot more to this story. Why are Irvine folks protesting the building of a homeless shelter and want the tent cities removed at the same time? Can Kaotic or others explain this?

I thought Californians are soft on homeless, which is why those tents are such a problem in the first place, and now they do not even want them to build a shelter either? Where else are you going to put them?

These areas of OC are very rich, or full of rich people. Is it that they do not want the homeless near them at all? Well that does not sound very liberal to me!

Sounds like they need a wall around Orange County and need to relocate the homeless to a less pretty area of California. Limousine Liberals.....

Well I would hazard a guess that property prices and their lilly white liberal suburbs will be invaded and eventually the broken window syndrome will take effect.

None for me more for thee.

[kaotic]

You guys have to understand the local scene to understand is in fact NOT liberal.

Liberals in LA called OC "The Orange Curtain" for a reason.

The majority of OC is middle/upper class conservative.

A few spots like Santa Ana/Anaheim/Tustin/Garden Grove is home to a large Mexican community and liberal policies.

In fact Santa Ana was a sanctuary city BEFORE the state wide law was enacted.

Santa Ana/Anaheim is where this homeless issue started - now that they're cleaning it up they're realizing how BIG this problem is.

Another thing is alot of these homeless people refuse help, if they refuse help then they should be escorted out of Orange County and sent somewhere else.

Another big thing is the closure of asylums where half these people belong for treatment or over watch.

[debeguiled]

[Rhyme or Reason]

Coincidentally, Anahiem and Santa Ana, as well as Costa Mesa, are liberal cities. They caused this problem with their soft stance on homeless issues and they now want conservative Irvine to pick up the slack. It isn't going to happen.

[Dodgy]

I lived in SoCal all my life and California has always had a large homeless population, but instead of large metro cities like LA addressing the problem, they chose to ignore it or pass it on to other cities for years (For example in LA when a homeless person was arrested and jailed, instead of being released in the City of LA, they were put on a bus and shipped to cities on the edge of Los Angeles County like Pomona, which basically passed the problem onto another city).

The other problem is the real estate development boon over the past 5 years (specifically downtown Los Angeles and Santa Ana to a certain respect) that has essentially gentrified areas that would have been perfect for homeless shelters or affordable housing. In LA, there are now a bunch of half-empty live-work towers in a shitty area by the river called the "Arts District" that would have been great for homeless shelters (not close at all to residential neighborhoods). But instead they would rather market it as an up and coming trendy spot to live in overpriced condos.

And many want to point to Latino immigration as the main reason for CA going so blue, while overlooking the beyond pathetic outreach and organization of the CA Republican Party (and the Republican Party is general). There is no effort at all by the Republicans to reach out to voters, or to run quality Republican candidates worth voting for. I don't know if Kaotic or other California posters remember the last "serious" Republican candidate for Governor?

That was Meg Whitman in 2010. Google her if you want to see what a joke that was.

[Tail Gunner]

(03-29-2018 12:35 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 11:19 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Adam Carolla said on his show 3/28 (part 2, toward the end) (I just listened on my way in to work this morning):

Two things his producer Mike August predicted years ago, that he sees happening now:
- California will legalize pot, because they're too progressive to ignore the freedom and the budget-saving tax dollars
- Mexico will take back California without firing a shot

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/ACS-P...Paul-Rugg-

Meh...Likely not in our or our childrens', grand children's, or great grand childrens' life times.
People can say what they want about CA but (to kaotics point above) its too much of an important economic engine for the US. If there was ever an entity that was "too big to fail" then CA's economy is.

CA is the US's economic"fuel tank". In the 50's and 60's it was post war boom (aerospace and military spending) that topped off the tank. In the 70s and 80's it was the influx of Japanese cash, the 90's Saudi's and Iranian. Now it's the Chinese / Asian money still pouring in

CA has major dysfunctions for sure. But at the same time there's too much going for it. Even in the depth of the 2008 global crisis money was pouring in. The US is still the place a significant majority of the world sees as "safe" from economic and political oppression (relative to most any other). It isn't just migrant workers and other cultures' bottom dwellers that want to come here. The moneyed elite from around the world will for the foreseeable future also want to bring part, if not all of their wealth here as a hedge.

So where is that $ going? By and large the coasts (and that is true globally as well) Thats not going to change any time soon

Think globally. If the U.S. dollar loses its reserve status (and it will, just as the British Pound eventually lost its reserve status) then the liberal states, which are already the least competitive and have the highest debt levels will get hit the hardest. Entire books have been written on this issue. This is an excerpt from an article that touches on this issue:

Quote:

With 7 out of every 10 currency units in the banking system being dollars, and with 50% of the currency outside the U.S. banking system, America has been able to dodge runaway inflation, though any other nation would be Sodom & Gomorrah by now, given the size of the debt and the cost to finance it.

For the global commerce network to operate independently of the USD would mean that less of it is needed, which means reserve accounts throughout the world can begin emptying their balances from what are now excess dollars.

The U.S. banking system cannot afford to experience a tidal wave of currency coming back to the system in the form of bonds or cash.

It would devastate the already fragile system.

https://mailchi.mp/portfoliowealthglobal...816a398028

In other words, if 50% of all dollars currently reside outside the U.S. (e.g., Petrodollars) and the demand dries up for those excess dollars because the rest of the world decides to use another currency unit (or even a basket of currencies) as the world's reserve currency, the results will be devastating. This is simply a matter of time. In fact, the foolish way in which the U.S. runs its finances and racks up debt all but guarantees it.