Quote: (01-17-2018 01:44 AM)911 Wrote:
China has been horribly exploited by the Anglo/western oligarchs for centuries, they pushed opium on that country and created over 10 million addicts, inflicting incredible damage on that society. In the middle of the 19th century, the East India Company was pumping into China the equivalent of 10 times the current global production.
Meanwhile, in the 19th century, Chinese were arming Islamic slavers in Southeast Asia.
The Chinese now control the economies of the same countries where they once participated in the taking and selling of natives as slaves. Funny coincidence.
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Then you have the Rape of Nanjing, and the brutal Japanese occupation. The Chinese have a chip on their shoulder for a reason.
Who cut trade with Japan during their occupation of China? Who liberated Asia from Japan? Who risked their lives to save Chinese civilians in Nanking and elsewhere?
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I believe in the golden rule, predatory behavior by large countries on smaller ones is evil. By historical and recent standards, China's imperial policies have been relatively benign. Tibet is nothing compared to Iraq, Libya, Honduras and so forth. The US has nearly 1000 bases abroad, vs a half dozen for China.
This is totally ahistorical.
Research China's role in North Korea and the Korean War, Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, etc. That says nothing of their early alliance with the Soviet Union and what they were likely complicit in on that front.
China easily had one of the MOST destructive foreign policies of the 20th century, and that's saying a lot considering all of the other shit that went down then.
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The other mitigating factor for China is that they don't run culturally subversive campaigns on foreign countries. Their "soft power" is minuscule relative to their economic weight.
Another completely ahistorical comment.
China funded, armed, and trained communist insurgencies and coups/attempted coups all over Southeast Asia just within the last half of the 20th century.
Again, the fact that their plans did not work out like they hoped does not change the fact that they tried, causing enormous loss of life and turmoil in the process.
By the way, you use the 19th century opium trade to justify China's actions. How many wars did Tripoli declare on America during the 19th century? We had plenty of causus belli to slap Libya back to the stone age, by your standards.
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It's a pretty complex issue, this post doesn't come close to covering the bases, need to address it with a wider framework here, like the fact that our societies are converging with China in a technocratic dystopia. Bottom line is that we need not look at China or Chinese people as the enemy, it's not a zero sum game. As people we are getting trapped into the same type of matrix and I would guess there is a lot more cooperation between their rulers and our oligarchs than we think.
As I pointed out above, notice that he heaps blame on Israel, the US, CIA, etc. but will not condemn China on anything. It's one thing to be neutral or apathetic on China, but another thing entirely to go out of your way to defend them.
Invading Vietnam and India, contributing to the deaths of tens of millions, creating insurgencies and overthrowing governments in over half a dozen countries, controlling the economies of all your neighbors, engaging in numerous proxy wars, etc. are just a bunch of benign coincidences.
The Chinese are a friendly merchant folk fighting the evils of European colonialism. Dey dindu nuffin.
To be clear, I am not "defending" Israel nor Jews. I'm simply bringing attention to a very interesting coincidence.