Quote: (03-01-2012 11:49 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Quote: (02-29-2012 04:49 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Quote: (02-29-2012 04:26 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

hypergamous black women ... why is this a problem in the U.S. generally, and D.C. in particular?

general delusion ... exists in non-black American communities as well, but it is in fact much more extreme among black american women than others.

Does this explain it? Hypergamous women compete for the upper 20% of men. Black men are, on average, poorer than whites. So perhaps only 10% of them qualify as upper 20% based on some combination of money, career, status, and looks. Many black women have no realistic shot at these top decile black men, so they just give up. Then they consign themselves to getting conveniently pumped by whoever is available when they are horny. They have no three date rule, no dinners, no flowers, just an endless series of quick hookups.

you make a heck of lot of assumptions there - not sure if any of what you say is true or correct. but the bottom line is there are plenty of men around for these women if they:
-lose weight and try to look feminine
-reject most of what passes for feminism
-drop the attitude and "I don't need no man vibe"
-actually act feminine

until they figure it out, they are a no go (90+%)

Quote: (03-01-2012 05:30 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

any woman who has passed her formative years in the US is no go zone. strictly pump and dump if that. OK I edit that 90% are no go.

it doesn't matter - Caribbean, US, Africa......the U.S. ruins women. the indoctrination is too strong and the female mind too weak.

I wholeheartedly agree. "Formative years" is the key statement here. I had to learn this the hard way.

Robin Roxette...tempting

Quote: (03-01-2012 05:24 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Yeah. I wanted to bring that up. What do guys here think about Caribbean black women and black women from Latin America and Africa vs. those who grew up in the US to American parents? I've noticed a huge difference in values, mentality, attitude and expectations between American black women and black women from elsewhere.

As kdolo said, the foreigners are generally closer to wife quality than those raised here (less body fat, less attitude, etc).

I find that there is a hierarchy, running in order from highest to lowest quality (on average, of course):

Foreign black women ---> American black women of recent immigrant heritage (either were not born here or are daughters of immigrants) ---> Multi-generational American black women

The foreigners are the highest quality, which goes without saying.

The Americanized immigrants I find are hit or miss. They generally display a moderately higher quality on average when compared to black american girls (likely due to the influence of their parents and latent ties to their original culture), but on the other hand are also capable of completely assimilating into the host culture and exhibiting the same degenerative traits.
This can make them VERY deceiving, a lesson I learned the hard way. It is best to just assume the worst.

Lastly, black american women. Worst of the bunch, possibly the most dysfunctional female populace in the USA if you select for traits like obesity. Quality ones still exist, but good luck locating one. Calling them "rare" would be an understatement.

The bottomline is this: if you're a black man and you'd really like a wife of African descent, do yourself a huge favor and get on a plane.
There are only 40 million blacks in the United States. The total size of the black population in the rest of the Americas alone (Latin America, Caribbean, Canada) is already over four times this, and that's without talking about Africa and lesser known populations out in the Arab world, Asia and Europe.

There are MANY options out there for you, and most will be of superior quality to what you see here in the USA. Take advantage of them!

Quote: (03-01-2012 05:41 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Robin Roxette...tempting

Tempting is damn right. That woman is extremely attractive.

But all black men of value need to know this: this is an American black woman, which means that this sweet exterior probably hides a very dark, dangerous shell, one that creates a nearly 70% divorce rate in the black community (20% above the national average) and will probably result in the rape of your bank account if she can help it.

Assume the worst. Quality should be a pleasant surprise, not an expectation.

Quote: (03-01-2012 05:01 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The moral of the story...go find yourself an Afro-Brazilian sista like Isabel Correa

God I adore this woman. As far as my own personal "rating" system goes with women, she is as close as I've seen ANY female get to a 10. Just gorgeous.

Quote: (03-01-2012 11:49 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

Does this explain it? Hypergamous women compete for the upper 20% of men. Black men are, on average, poorer than whites. So perhaps only 10% of them qualify as upper 20% based on some combination of money, career, status, and looks. Many black women have no realistic shot at these top decile black men, so they just give up. Then they consign themselves to getting conveniently pumped by whoever is available when they are horny. They have no three date rule, no dinners, no flowers, just an endless series of quick hookups.

See kdolo's response-I'm with him on this.

Black women often moan about the "shortage" of black men, and that shortage is definitely real. Their own qualities, however, exacerbate the problem. "Good" black men may be rare, but "good" black women are not as common as they'd like you to think they are.

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:33 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The Americanized immigrants I find are hit or miss. They generally display a moderately higher quality on average when compared to black american girls (likely due to the influence of their parents and latent ties to their original culture), but on the other hand are also capable of completely assimilating into the host culture and exhibiting the same degenerative traits.
This can make them VERY deceiving, a lesson I learned the hard way. It is best to just assume the worst.

Lastly, black american women. Worst of the bunch, possibly the most dysfunctional female populace in the USA if you select for traits like obesity. Quality ones still exist, but good luck locating one. Calling them "rare" would be an understatement.

The bottomline is this: if you're a black man and you'd really like a wife of African descent, do yourself a huge favor and get on a plane.
There are only 40 million blacks in the United States. The total size of the black population in the rest of the Americas alone (Latin America, Caribbean, Canada) is already over four times this, and that's without talking about Africa and lesser known populations out in the Arab world, Asia and Europe.

There are MANY options out there for you, and most will be of superior quality to what you see here in the USA. Take advantage of them!

This is so spot on. I totally agree on cutting out the "middleman" and flying straight to the source for the scoop. One of my longtime friends actually did this. He's a brother from DC and married a black woman from Colombia. She is simply amazing. One of the most non-combative, most feminine, and most agreeable woman I've ever met.

I remember he invited me and some friends over for a summer dinner at their place. They had just had a child. She cooked up some bomb ass Colombian food (rice, chicken, plantains) and a mean ass sangria.

She had one of her friends over and didn't try to put herself in the conversation or center of attention when the fellas were talking about man stuff. She just played the background and just quietly chatted with her friend, also a Colombian.

American women do not behave like that. They always want to be in the mix and know what's going on, making it difficult for you and your male friends to talk freely as men.

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

God I adore this woman. As far as my own personal "rating" system goes with women, she is as close as I've seen ANY female get to a 10. Just gorgeous.

Yeah, she's fly as hell! I can picture Athlone repatriating back to Jamaica one day and wifing up something like this on his beach house.



More nice pics of her here.

Quite some time ago I ran across a posting some guy made that was so profound I had to save it to my hard drive. Since it fits right in with the them of this thread I thought I would share it. I'm not necessarily agreeing with every single thing he says, in fact I think he may be embellishing certain things here, but it's a damn interesting read and does explain the sentiments behind why some black American men are frustrated black American women :

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Why I "sold out"

I am a successful black man. I am successful career wise, social wise, and
financially. I've been investing in the market since the mid-80's when I
received my bachelor's degree and have really reaped the benefits. Due to this, I have been able to pay off student loans, finance graduate school without additional loans, pay for my home, automobiles, and still keep money in the bank. The lessons on investment I got from my dad
(R.I.P.), even though he was a custodian - he knew how a black person could "turn ground beef into T-Bone" through simple, sane, and consistent investment.

So, I'm doing well on that end. I work out and keep my body in good shape.
Plus, I don't smoke and drink once in a great while. I love life and am
determined to get the most out of it. I also believe in God and attend church every Sunday.

I date white women exclusively. Well, I should say "non-African American women" exclusively. I have dated women of Hispanic-American women, Asian-American woman, and am currently in a serious relationship with a woman of Middle Eastern descent. I can't say whether or not that relationship will work out. But, I can say that I have no plans and foresee
no plans of EVER dating African-American women again. So, I guess I'm what you call a sell out.

Why? Well, as little as 3 years ago - I felt that black men who dated white
women were sellouts. Strongly believed it, vocally endorsed it, and said it. In fact, I met a beautiful white woman in 1993 who was very attractive, had a sparkling personality, and beautiful red hair. We got along well and when she wanted more, I backed off ONLY because she was white. She moved on, met, and married a white guy and they have 2 beautiful kids now.

But, I just got tired of the black woman drama. And, when black men who date white women say that they choose to do so because of "black woman drama" - I know exactly what they are talking about.

Women who could not disagree without getting loud. Women who gotta talk about what other women do or don't have, what does or doesn't look right on them, who "got their nerve", or "who does she think that is", or "no, she didn't".

I got tired of all that "black" mentality. I got tired of disagreements having
to always end up with a loud argument.

I got tired of taking sisters to a nice restaurant and, if the food isn't
prepared right, watch her get an attitude with the waiter.

I got tired of "you can't run my fingers through my hair...that will mess it
up".

I got tired of planning a romantic weekend, then have it ruined because she had an attitude because something didn't go her way at work on Friday.

I got tired of planning social events, then not having my woman want to go
because she didn't like the "attitude" of someone who was going to be there.

I got tired of trying to plan for the future financially but dealing with women
who ran to the mall soon as they got paid and didn't want to leave until they were nearly broke.

I got tired of sisters who didn't try to work out or take care of their bodies
but had nothing but nastiness to say about those who chose to have enough self respect to take care of themselves.

I got tired of taking sisters to elegant affairs and then watch them have
nothing better to do but to comment on what was wrong with the affair. "That music gots to go", "The salad don't taste right", "That woman over there needs a breast reduction". It's amazing, but when we went to "black" movie like "Friday" or some Master P garbage - nothing was ever wrong.

I got tired of sisters who could never find or make time to go to they gym, but always made their nail and hair appointments religiously.

I got tired of sisters who felt success always had to have a financial aspect. Tired of dealing with "successful" black women who were just all into keeping up with the Joneses. Women with bad credit. Shopping at Sak's when they have a K-Mart budget. Buying stuff they can't afford to show off. Sick of it.

I got tired of women who never have time to read a decent book, but make it a point to buy every issue of Sister 2 Sister, Essence, Ebony, and never miss a soap opera.

I got tired of planning adventerous sex and then having it blown off with "I
don't do that" or "Uh huh". Now, I am not talking bondage, S&M, or anything like that. But, maybe turning on some blacklights and painting each other with flourescent body paints or oiling each others bodies down or making love in my hot tub, or maybe even in the greenhouse that I built last year behind my home.

I got tired of hot love making sessions come to a shattering end because her nail broke.

I got tired of that funky attitude, that nasty ass confrontation demeanor, that "me first" mentality, that low level of thinking.

I got tired of black women and the drama that always comes with dating one.

I got tired of women who don't let a man be a man and make the critical
decisions but instead butt him on every turn and them call him trifling or weak if he just gives up.

Now, I know the first thing some of you women are saying is "I bet he date
women that even white men don't want". Nope, every white woman I date is fine. Ultra fine. Bodies like Jennifer Lopez. Faces like Vanessa Williams. I have high standards in everything from cologne, to clothes (which I have fitted), to food (I don't eat red meat, fried food, or artificially preserved fruits/vegetables), to women (I don't date women who don't take care of their bodies, minds, or souls). The women I date are up to my standards (which are high), can wear 2 piece swimsuits with no embarassment, can tell you the difference between a Modernist, Post-Impressionist, Post-Modern, or Contemporary painting, can explain what a diversified portfolio is and why it is an asset, etc. And, the women I
date are nice women. Nice people. Very nice. If you car is broke down she would call help on her cell phone for you. If you are on the street begging for money, she would share some with you. When I babysit my nieces and nephews, my woman comes over to help me out - changing diapers and wiping baby booties with me. I was fine dining with my girlfriend and the waiter accidentally spilled wine on her white silk suit? Did she trip? No. Did she get loud? No. She excused herself and tried to wipe it out. It didn't. And, she patiently and politely explained to the manager that the stain may not come out, the suit cost over $300, and she just felt that, even though it was a total accident - that the store pay for the cleaning cost or a new suit. And, also asked that the waiter not be punished - it was a dark restaurant and it was an honest mistake. That is nice. A black woman would have been loud and belligerent -and made a scene. Then wailed on about the cost of the suit. My woman, politely got everything in order, then we sat and enjoyed our meal. Interestingly, there was a table of black professional women about 15 feet away who witnessed the entire situation. We could hear them go on and on about how they would have "went off", got money for a new suit "on the spot", or claimed the suit cost more than it actually did. I'm so glad I no longer date black women.

To make it short - I got tired of the black woman mentality. I'm just putting it out there. A lot of black men who date white won't say it - but a lot of them know it is true. While I am trying to not generalize, my experience is that most black women got an "attitude". They like to call it being "real", or being "straightforward", or "speaking their mind". But, the attitude is just really a nastiness that says "I can't disagree without being disagreeable. I can't let others be different without belittling them for their difference. What others think of me is more important than what I think of myself. All money is meant to be spent ASAP without thought for tomorrow.

Once, I was considering whether I had made a mistake in dating non-white women so I talked to my mom. Now, my mom is pure pro-black. As a college student, she marched with MLK and even was at the march on Washington. She was arrested at a sit-in down in Alabama during the early 1960's. She worked with voter registration drives and is now retired. And, I asked mom if I was wrong in refusing to consider dating a black woman.

This is what my mom told me...

My moms told me "Black women today are not what they were when I was your age. We had pride, we would never be caught dead in a movie theater paying to see a movie that denigrates blacks such as "Friday" or "Booty Call". I have nice material things now, but I accumulated those through a life of hard work and wise choices - not by making money the #1 thing. I had no problem taking off your dad's shoes and massaging his feet. I had no problem when he spent a night out with his male friends. I had no problem disagreeing with him on issues. I had no problem letting your father be a man and making the decisions that ran our household. But, the black women today do not allow black men to be men. They want to wrest the mantle of leadership from the man and get an attitude when he tries to be a man then call him "trifling" if he gives up."

She added

"I can't blame a young successful black man for not dating black women today. It is hard enough to achieve success if you are a black man and it is stressful enough to deal with the rigors of being a black man in today's world. A black man does not need the stress of a woman who constantly keeps drama going and just can't enjoy life even when it doesn't go her way. From the way our women have went, I just can't blame a man today for dating white."

Critics expose themselves

Not too long ago, my girlfried and I stopped at a restaurant and were eating. Across the way were some black females who gave my girlfriend that up-and-down look and then cut their eyes to each other in a look of disgust. Now these women were all at least 200 lbs, sloppy fat, black women. And, they kept looking to us and letting their voices raise so we could hear "jungle fever", "sell out", "weak nigga", etc. Next, it went to "she probably went down on him to get him to leave his wife", "you know she lets him cum in her mouth", "you know he must have a small penis", "she's nothing but white trailer trash", "loser", "slut", "hoe", "punk". And, that is what I found about nearly all black women who have a problem with a black man dating only white. They have serious issues with their own esteem and try to cover up these issues by attacking black men who date only white women. They can't disagree without being insulting and making insulting remarks about white women's bodies, lifestyles, sexual habits or making insults about the black man who date white women.

I date only white women. I used to date black but I got tired of wasting
gentlemen qualities on women who don't appreciate and therefore don't deserve them. And, I speak for a lot of brothers because I have talked to lot of brothers.

Remember Clarence Thomas? Hmmm, he's married to a white woman but it was black woman who was trying to ruin his career. While Anita Hill made unfounded slurs about him, Clarence's wife showed incredible and dignified restraint.

I date only white women. I refuse to go back to black women.

Stephen Willis

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:57 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

God I adore this woman. As far as my own personal "rating" system goes with women, she is as close as I've seen ANY female get to a 10. Just gorgeous.

Yeah, she's fly as hell! I can picture Athlone repatriating back to Jamaica one day and wifing up something like this on his beach house.



More nice pics of her here.

Man, I dream of this type of thing. One day I hope to do just that. Its a worthy dream.

BTW, no need to even leave the forum for more Isabel. I posted a ton of her pics on page 41 of the "10s" thread in the Game section. Just go to this post and scroll down for 50+ pics, almost that entire page is filled with her.

Quote: (03-01-2012 05:41 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Robin Roxette...tempting

Nice!!

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:43 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

American women do not behave like that. They always want to be in the mix and know what's going on, making it difficult for you and your male friends to talk freely as men.

I found a post on another blog that explains this phenomenon quite well.

Here it is, and here is the article (written by a female) it is based on.

To sum it up: women are insecure, and to some extent many are envious of men and the position they have. They cover this up by being aggressive, trying to "be one of the boys", and/or just being difficult as your anecdote shows. They'll do anything to avoid pumping up mens' egos (and, if necessary, to cut down those egos) in order to make themselves feel better.

Quote: (03-01-2012 07:25 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quite some time ago I ran across a posting some guy made that was so profound I had to save it to my hard drive. Since it fits right in with the them of this thread I thought I would share it. I'm not necessarily agreeing with every single thing he says, in fact I think he may be embellishing certain things here, but it's a damn interesting read and does explain the sentiments behind why some black American men are frustrated black American women

Epic post. I think I might have to save it myself, he's got the issue perfectly analyzed.

Actually, I can think of a few more things to add to the concerns he listed. The list really could go on for quite some time.

Quote: (03-01-2012 06:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

"Good" black men may be rare, but "good" black women are not as common as they'd like you to think they are.

Marriage rates are low among American blacks. One economic theory is that marriage is an income arrangement. Since black men do not outearn black women, there is little economic incentive for black women to marry. A similar phenomenon is now happening more broadly, and white marriage rates are declining.

At the same time there is a slight shortage of eligible, unincarcerated black men. I would think black women would compete based on weight and attractiveness. I can understand the hair, but do black men care about expensive nails? Obviously many black women are not maintaining their figures or femininity. Are black women simply easy, are they dateless, or are black men knocking themselves out wooing these undesireable women?

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:35 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

...or are black men knocking themselves out wooing these undesireable women?

You be the judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...Gamk#t=47s

This video is like everything that's wrong with black America in 2 minutes.

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:35 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

...or are black men knocking themselves out wooing these undesireable women?

You be the judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...Gamk#t=47s

This video is like everything that's wrong with black America in 2 minutes.

One comment was, "man, black men the thirstest n***** on earth" lol

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:50 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:35 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

...or are black men knocking themselves out wooing these undesireable women?

You be the judge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...Gamk#t=47s

This video is like everything that's wrong with black America in 2 minutes.

One comment was, "man, black men the thirstest n***** on earth" lol

It's true! Too many brothas will fuck any damn thing. That's why these fat hood rat women walk around thinking they're the shit. If men were ignoring their asses they wouldn't think that.

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:53 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's true! Too many brothas will fuck any damn thing. That's why these fat hood rat women walk around thinking they're the shit. If men were ignoring their asses they wouldn't think that.

Speakeasy that was a great post - I'm saving that to my HD!

I am in Charlotte NC at the annual CIAA basketball tourney weekend (leaving today). I basically go there to hang with the fellas and try to see which women are fine to me (I tend to like taller/slender women). Still, you have dudes down here sweating chicks ONLY BECAUSE she has a big ass. I am like "Well...she weighs 220 so of course she has a big ass".

As for the article that Speakeasy posted...

I personally feel that there ARE black women that are not like what the author of the article posted BUT, I will agree....who wants to WORK THAT HARD JUST TO FIND THEM? Now I do find the black chicks not like the article but I DO get clowned by a few of my boys because I get the so-called bland/corny/whitewashed sista. My explanation is that "I stay in my lane". I was raised in the suburbs so chances are that I am going to holla at some sista who comes from a similar background. I have tried to holla at the "hood" chick and while some were nice (and even in shape), there were some thought processes that just did not "gel" with mine.

Quote: (03-04-2012 08:02 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I am in Charlotte NC at the annual CIAA basketball tourney weekend (leaving today). I basically go there to hang with the fellas and try to see which women are fine to me (I tend to like taller/slender women). Still, you have dudes down here sweating chicks ONLY BECAUSE she has a big ass. I am like "Well...she weighs 220 so of course she has a big ass".

As for the article that Speakeasy posted...

I personally feel that there ARE black women that are not like what the author of the article posted BUT, I will agree....who wants to WORK THAT HARD JUST TO FIND THEM? Now I do find the black chicks not like the article but I DO get clowned by a few of my boys because I get the so-called bland/corny/whitewashed sista. My explanation is that "I stay in my lane". I was raised in the suburbs so chances are that I am going to holla at some sista who comes from a similar background. I have tried to holla at the "hood" chick and while some were nice (and even in shape), there were some thought processes that just did not "gel" with mine.

Ha. I'm supposed to link up with this chick this week that wanted to go to CIAA this wknd but didn't. She referred to it as a "networking event." I never heard of it, but I realize it's some hoop tournament between HBCUs?

So it's a social thing? Is that pretty much why people from out of town would hit that up? She's a lawyer and a private civ rights practice so maybe that was her purpose, IDK...

Quote: (03-04-2012 09:16 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (03-04-2012 08:02 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I am in Charlotte NC at the annual CIAA basketball tourney weekend (leaving today). I basically go there to hang with the fellas and try to see which women are fine to me (I tend to like taller/slender women). Still, you have dudes down here sweating chicks ONLY BECAUSE she has a big ass. I am like "Well...she weighs 220 so of course she has a big ass".

As for the article that Speakeasy posted...

I personally feel that there ARE black women that are not like what the author of the article posted BUT, I will agree....who wants to WORK THAT HARD JUST TO FIND THEM? Now I do find the black chicks not like the article but I DO get clowned by a few of my boys because I get the so-called bland/corny/whitewashed sista. My explanation is that "I stay in my lane". I was raised in the suburbs so chances are that I am going to holla at some sista who comes from a similar background. I have tried to holla at the "hood" chick and while some were nice (and even in shape), there were some thought processes that just did not "gel" with mine.

Ha. I'm supposed to link up with this chick this week that wanted to go to CIAA this wknd but didn't. She referred to it as a "networking event." I never heard of it, but I realize it's some hoop tournament between HBCUs?

So it's a social thing? Is that pretty much why people from out of town would hit that up? She's a lawyer and a private civ rights practice so maybe that was her purpose, IDK...

Heh, "networking" is usually female code speak for picking up numbers right in front of your nose.

Yeah, the CIAA is a basketball tournament for several HBCU schools. It is really a social event as probably 80% of visitors don't even attend the actual games. I go since most of the fellas I know in DC are alumni of HBCU's. You see some nice looking (I am talking Roosh forum standard) but not a lot. It is really a party weekend and that is the main reason why I go. I don't know if I will go next year because it is starting to cost more to go and the same money could be spent on another Dominican Republic or Panama trip instead.

Quote: (03-04-2012 02:32 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

I don't know if I will go next year because it is starting to cost more to go and the same money could be spent on another Dominican Republic or Panama trip instead.

Yeah. Unless you're the kind of guy in a situation where making a road trip to Charlotte from DC is cool, then it could equal as much as an international trip to Latin America. I imagine you're too busy for that.

Quote: (03-01-2012 10:32 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

Quote: (03-01-2012 09:53 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's true! Too many brothas will fuck any damn thing. That's why these fat hood rat women walk around thinking they're the shit. If men were ignoring their asses they wouldn't think that.