HOL' UP!

There is currently a recount being done. Saw it just now on Infowars.

It's a shame that media voter suppression tactics worked here, despite all of Moore's flaws.

When I was watching the votes come in, I realized we don't have the demographic numbers going forward.

Even in Alabama, young people broke for Jones. College educated people leaned much more heavily towards Jones.

Blacks and Hispanics obviously vote massively democrat.

Between the democrat stranglehold on "POC" and the indoctrination tools of schools, colleges, the MSM, and mainstream entertainment, the future of America belongs to the democrats.

A few things would have to be done to reverse the tide: End birthright citizenship, end chain migration, build the wall and end illegal immigration, deport every illegal already here, and most importantly smash the leftist hegemony over our cultural institutions. Even then, whites would need to consistently vote republican the way blacks vote democrat in order to role back the clock.

There's no way that all of those things will happen. Secession would be an option with the current demographics, but as older, republican voting, religions whites die and get replaced with indoctrinated shitlibs that won't be an option either.

The west is in its death throes for three reasons:
1) World war 2 destroyed the cultural legitimacy of western powers in the minds of its own citizens. The rot psychologically destroyed Europe more quickly, but affected us here just as surely.

2) Since the reformation, there have been branches of protestantism that align with reform judaism vision of radical egalitarianism. That strain of ideology has evolved into a secular egalitarianism that is held by western people with all the the zeal of their theistic forebears. This leads us with unfixable solutions like women voting; as long as women vote, the west cannot be saved.

3) Humans are not biologically prepared for the technocratic world we live in. Part of our problems are almost certainly biological. We all know about declining testosterone levels due to a multitude of factors, but the hormonal effects of birth control certainly also play a role. Beyond that, we were not ready as a species for infinite connectivity, infinite information, and infinite automation. Social norms, community bonds, faith, and the hope for meaningful work are all inevitably swept away by the exponential technological progression of the modern world.


We have no choice but to keep focusing on Trump and Trumpist candidates in the short term because they're the only chance of salvaging something resembling western civilization from dumpster fire we have right now. But what I'm saying is, be realistic about our chances of doing so and start preparing for the post-Western world.

If the people of Alabama (especially the cuckservative people of Alabama Republicans) are so mind-numbingly stupid to allow this travesty, they deserve no sympathy. Let their homes be destroyed by the illegal scourge.

Quote: (12-13-2017 01:52 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2017 01:38 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  

Roy Moore, accused of "inappropriate sexual or social conduct" What the hell is "social conduct" supposed to mean. When they raise the age of consent to 21 years old, everyone who has dated a fun 19 yo chick will be the new pedophile pervert Faggots like OP looking to judge based on today's gynocentric world to a different time when the age of consent was different.

One of the allegations involved a woman who claimed she would have been 13 at the time.

I don't know about you, but if I would not be impressed by any group or society that condoned men in their 20's or older pursuing girls that young. Given that it's almost certainly ethically preferable that modern societies draw a legal line somewhere (while I can give a pass to pre-modern societies where sex with 13 year old was considered normal) I think good enough arguments could be made that in modern times, 16 years old is a very reasonable line to draw.

As far as the allegations themselves, I'm hesitant to believe anything with such incredibly convenient timing, but I also wouldn't assume that they aren't true based on that alone.

The truth is that if we judged everyone by the worst skeletons in their closet, most people would look pretty bad.

The take-away here is not that we should forgive people who have had bad judgment in the past and give them authority that they may abuse, but that rather we need to begin to process of recentering society around smaller communities with enough self-sufficiency to prosper despite events on a global scale while still having enough connectivity to the world to contribute to a rising tide that lifts all ships to higher heights of human achievement.

If our hope is in being able to elect infallible politicians, we are already doomed.

I thought the youngest one (the only one under the age of consent at the law of the time) was the 14 year old one with the yearbook. When she admitted to writing parts of the yearbook entry that she originally pawned off as being entirely Moore's writing, messed up details of how they met, and had Gloria Allred as her attorney. . . well she lost much of her credibility in my eyes.

If the allegations of the woman who was 14 at the time, or there were credible allegations, as you say, of a 13 year old at the time, then Moore probably shouldn't be in the Senate. Based on what I saw, I would personally have voted for him and if later on I were convinced that the allegations of women who were legally underage, at the law of the time, then I would vote for his recall.

I saw that Luntz character interviewing Alabama residents and asking them how many women have to allege before the allegations take on credibility based only on the number of women alleging. That is a horrible matrix to use. If one fixes a number (say at 5), then anyone running a smear campaign knows that they only need to find 5 people to allege in order to derail a campaign by coming out with allegations mere weeks before an election.

Quote: (12-13-2017 06:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The idea that marriages with age differences cannot work is nothing more than sinful, degenerate dogma.

People have been getting married with large age differences for all of recorded human history, which means it's probably been happening for millions of years.

I know my great-grandmother married at 14. She went on to have a 50 year marriage, with 6 children, and 15+ grandchildren. You're telling me this is bad? Only dumb and evil feminists could think such a thing.

Of course, parental consent was always involved for young ages.

The world we live in is unnatural, has negative birth rates, and causes mass unhappiness. It's obviously doomed. The world of marriages with young women will return, one way or the other.

Marriage with age differences most certainly do work and should be encouraged. Although surely there must be a base line for the minor.

Congratulations to your great-grandmother on her long and successful marriage. Out of interest, what age was your great-grandfather when they married? Which decade?

As you live in one of the mentioned states, you still have a chance to carry on the family tradition.

Your 14 year old daughter asks you for permission to get married to Chad, your just gonna say "of course my darling, what took you so long", then march her down the aisle. Am I getting this right? Or maybe I'm just being a dumb and evil feminist!

My point was, your laws are fucked. 10 yr olds being married off in some states whilst the age of consent in others is well beyond the best before date. The screaming masses that no doubt tipped this result don't even care.

Even if Moore was guilty of approaching this 13 yr old all these years ago, where is the crime if that state allows 13 yr olds to be married off. Why didn't any of Moores team throw that out there, that would have brought the shit show to a halt. Americas dirty little secret.

Personally I'm with Suits, 16 yrs old is the current consent and marriage age in my country. This is the age when you are considered an adult. In my opinion the judges, not unlike Moore himself, who sign off 10 yr olds to marry 31 yr olds should be strung up, but guess what, you can't. It's the law

That's both degenerate and sinful.

Quote: (12-13-2017 10:46 AM)Renton1875 Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2017 06:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The idea that marriages with age differences cannot work is nothing more than sinful, degenerate dogma.

People have been getting married with large age differences for all of recorded human history, which means it's probably been happening for millions of years.

I know my great-grandmother married at 14. She went on to have a 50 year marriage, with 6 children, and 15+ grandchildren. You're telling me this is bad? Only dumb and evil feminists could think such a thing.

Of course, parental consent was always involved for young ages.

The world we live in is unnatural, has negative birth rates, and causes mass unhappiness. It's obviously doomed. The world of marriages with young women will return, one way or the other.

Marriage with age differences most certainly do work and should be encouraged. Although surely there must be a base line for the minor.

Congratulations to your great-grandmother on her long and successful marriage. Out of interest, what age was your great-grandfather when they married? Which decade?

32.

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Your 14 year old daughter asks you for permission to get married to Chad, your just gonna say "of course my darling, what took you so long", then march her down the aisle. Am I getting this right? Or maybe I'm just being a dumb and evil feminist!

Yep, you sound just like a dumb and evil feminist right now.

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My point was, your laws are fucked. 10 yr olds being married off in some states whilst the age of consent in others is well beyond the best before date. The screaming masses that no doubt tipped this result don't even care.

Laws that go against human nature cannot and will not last. You can make laws to reverse gravity it won't change a thing.

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Personally I'm with Suits, 16 yrs old is the current consent and marriage age in my country. This is the age when you are considered an adult. In my opinion the judges, not unlike Moore himself, who sign off 10 yr olds to marry 31 yr olds should be strung up, but guess what, you can't. It's the law

That's both degenerate and sinful.

Producing massive families is degenerate, okay good thinking there chap.

Quote: (12-13-2017 07:01 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Looking at the bright side, Jones will be the Democrat version of Scott Brown. We all know what that means: TEMPORARY.

Old Scottie ain't nothing but a faded memory now and this libtard Jones will be joining him.

I still consider the election of Scott Brown a major victory because he kept that evil, man-hating witch Martha Coakley out of the Senate. Her loss was so embarrassing that it basically ended her political career.

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Wow, and all it took for Doug Jones to eak out a <1% margin of victory was for the 24 hour news cycle to constantly blast unsubstantiated and probably false rape allegations, predicated on a highly suspect yearbook from the 1970s that was never analyzed by any experts?

Quote: (12-13-2017 12:36 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Wow, and all it took for Doug Jones to eak out a <1% margin of victory was for the 24 hour news cycle to constantly blast unsubstantiated and probably false rape allegations, predicated on a highly suspect yearbook from the 1970s that was never analyzed by any experts?

Keep in mind, they swung an election by about 30 points, not by <1 point.

We'll never retake our country without retaking our cultural institutions and that includes defanging the enemy propaganda that has been blaring in every home for the last 60 years.

Per a GOP source:

“Moore was a really, really bad candidate.

How bad? In 2016 (yes, a presidential election year) Shelby won with 1.335m votes (!!) That means Moore was 685,000 below Shelby. “Yeah, but that’s a presidential election year.” OK, how about 2010? Shelby won that year with 967,00 to 515,000. So Moore underperformed by 317,000 and Jones overperformed by about 120,000.

Even in Sesssions’ 2012 election (unopposed) he got 795,000 votes.”

Quote: (12-13-2017 11:05 AM)JayR Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2017 07:01 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Looking at the bright side, Jones will be the Democrat version of Scott Brown. We all know what that means: TEMPORARY.

Old Scottie ain't nothing but a faded memory now and this libtard Jones will be joining him.

I still consider the election of Scott Brown a major victory because he kept that evil, man-hating witch Martha Coakley out of the Senate. Her loss was so embarrassing that it basically ended her political career.

Yes. For about a week, the air was cleaner and crisper. No Marsha...and NO FUCKING KENNEDYS!!!

Ultimately, Scott Brown wasn't even a speed bump against Obama's agenda.

And he fucked up by running again in NH; he had a much better chance running against “Sock Puppet” Markey. So really, both he and Marsha's political careers ended with that race.

The true test to see if leftists truly are about sexual misonduct towards women is if, after he has lost, the allegations are properly investigated, or if they are quitely forgotten.

People are wondering how Democrats had 92% turnout on a red state.



How is that even possible? is like Republicans having a 92% turnout on California or NY.

Quote: (12-13-2017 03:53 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

People are wondering how Democrats had 92% turnout on a red state.
How is that even possible? is like Republicans having a 92% turnout on California or NY.

Because the GOP rank-and-file was snowed, full stop. A lot of conservatives lost sight of the bigger picture after being blasted 24-7 with unsubstantiated allegations and shaming language directed square at them.

That, and Roy Moore was hardly an inspiring candidate. Trump was accused of everything short of pedophilia on the campaign trail and what did he do? Did he fumble through a weak-ass interview with Hannity? Did he hide away for the last few days of the race? Fuck no--he sallied forth, he went to war. He parried all attacks with the aplomb of amused mastery--gamed the press, his accusers, Hillary, EVERYONE. He simply refused to take his detractors seriously--and won the day. It's easy to rally behind a guy like that--but a goober like Moore will make you cringe and want to stay home.

Even if you know you shouldn't.

Quote: (12-13-2017 04:10 PM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2017 03:53 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

People are wondering how Democrats had 92% turnout on a red state.
How is that even possible? is like Republicans having a 92% turnout on California or NY.

Because the GOP rank-and-file was snowed, full stop. A lot of conservatives lost sight of the bigger picture after being blasted 24-7 with unsubstantiated allegations and shaming language directed square at them.

That, and Roy Moore was hardly an inspiring candidate. Trump was accused of everything short of pedophilia on the campaign trail and what did he do? Did he fumble through a weak-ass interview with Hannity? Did he hide away for the last few days of the race? Fuck no--he sallied forth, he went to war. He parried all attacks with the aplomb of amused mastery--gamed the press, his accusers, Hillary, EVERYONE. He simply refused to take his detractors seriously--and won the day. It's easy to rally behind a guy like that--but a goober like Moore will make you cringe and want to stay home.

Even if you know you shouldn't.

Democrats are notoriously low on mid term election, this was like a mid term election, and in a red state.

Quote: (12-13-2017 03:53 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

People are wondering how Democrats had 92% turnout on a red state.

That is because 102% would have been too obvious and mathematically impossible

As for the turnout, I don't have enough of a background in politics to know if that 92% number is impossible or close to it.

However, I can imagine that they had a solid ground game, and their 'social justice' instincts went into overdrive with the allegations. They didn't want a a 'monster' like Moore to be in the senate.

It's unfortunate because some liberals I've known had their heart in the right place (try to make the world a better place, help the less fortunate.) Or at least they started out that way before becoming more radicalized in leftist ideology.

The problem is many times they don't have the capacity to see past the emotional manipulation tactics of the media and use actual logic. They also lack the ability to selectively be empathetic or caring. All they see is that poor refugee, but they ignore the actual rapists.

In the case of the allegations against Moore, they just don't seem to pass muster. The timing especially was suspicious. I'd say the most he was guilty of was hitting on teenagers, which 40 years ago in Alabama may have even been normal. The Hannity interview didn't do him any favors either.

If Moore truly was the despicable man the media portrayed him to be their actions to defeat him would have been warranted, maybe even noble.

In reality the people of Alabama got played and now their state and the entire nation are going to suffer for it.

Alabama Judges order immediate destruction of electronic voting records:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabam...roy-moore/

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A full hearing for the case is set for December 21, but the state has a green light to continue destroying its digital voting records until that time.

It is law that they keep the records for 6 months, but judges can file all sorts of temporary orders that buy them enough time, certainly the few minutes needed to delete all the records.

I think this was mass fraud again, the left is upgrading their swiftness and cunning. They're probably learning no email, no texting, just agents who know to quickly and quietly execute the plan.

Quote: (12-13-2017 04:56 PM)Neo Wrote:  

As for the turnout, I don't have enough of a background in politics to know if that 92% number is impossible or close to it.

However, I can imagine that they had a solid ground game, and their 'social justice' instincts went into overdrive with the allegations. They didn't want a a 'monster' like Moore to be in the senate.

It's unfortunate because some liberals I've known had their heart in the right place (try to make the world a better place, help the less fortunate.) Or at least they started out that way before becoming more radicalized in leftist ideology.

The problem is many times they don't have the capacity to see past the emotional manipulation tactics of the media and use actual logic. They also lack the ability to selectively be empathetic or caring. All they see if that poor refugee, but they ignore the actual rapists.

In the case of the allegations against Moore, they just don't seem to pass muster. The timing especially was suspicious. I'd say the most he was guilty of was hitting on teenagers, which 40 years ago in Alabama may have even been normal. The Hannity interview didn't do him any favors either.

If Moore truly was the despicable man the media portrayed him to be their actions to defeat him would have been warranted, maybe even noble.

In reality the people of Alabama got played and now their state and the entire nation are going to suffer for it.

The 92% is probably more related to his slavery remarks than the accusations.

Quote: (12-13-2017 09:18 AM)Extinguished Light Wrote:  

It's a shame that media voter suppression tactics worked here, despite all of Moore's flaws.

When I was watching the votes come in, I realized we don't have the demographic numbers going forward.

Even in Alabama, young people broke for Jones. College educated people leaned much more heavily towards Jones.

Blacks and Hispanics obviously vote massively democrat.

Between the democrat stranglehold on "POC" and the indoctrination tools of schools, colleges, the MSM, and mainstream entertainment, the future of America belongs to the democrats.

A few things would have to be done to reverse the tide: End birthright citizenship, end chain migration, build the wall and end illegal immigration, deport every illegal already here, and most importantly smash the leftist hegemony over our cultural institutions. Even then, whites would need to consistently vote republican the way blacks vote democrat in order to role back the clock.

There's no way that all of those things will happen. Secession would be an option with the current demographics, but as older, republican voting, religions whites die and get replaced with indoctrinated shitlibs that won't be an option either.

The west is in its death throes for three reasons:
1) World war 2 destroyed the cultural legitimacy of western powers in the minds of its own citizens. The rot psychologically destroyed Europe more quickly, but affected us here just as surely.

2) Since the reformation, there have been branches of protestantism that align with reform judaism vision of radical egalitarianism. That strain of ideology has evolved into a secular egalitarianism that is held by western people with all the the zeal of their theistic forebears. This leads us with unfixable solutions like women voting; as long as women vote, the west cannot be saved.

3) Humans are not biologically prepared for the technocratic world we live in. Part of our problems are almost certainly biological. We all know about declining testosterone levels due to a multitude of factors, but the hormonal effects of birth control certainly also play a role. Beyond that, we were not ready as a species for infinite connectivity, infinite information, and infinite automation. Social norms, community bonds, faith, and the hope for meaningful work are all inevitably swept away by the exponential technological progression of the modern world.


We have no choice but to keep focusing on Trump and Trumpist candidates in the short term because they're the only chance of salvaging something resembling western civilization from dumpster fire we have right now. But what I'm saying is, be realistic about our chances of doing so and start preparing for the post-Western world.

This campaign and its result is nothing more than part of the continued attempt by leftists to silence, liquidate, marginalize and eventually kill off the DEPLORABLES.

The issues - the real issues - were so eloquently stated by Moore himself shortly before the election. Hear him say: FREEDOM OF THOUGHT.

I rarely appreciate religious language. But here, in the battle of good vs idolatry he is right to use these words. He knows this and wants Common Core eliminated and the UN out of US municipal operations. Who do you think he will garner as enemies with these views? Funny, the UN was in Bham during the election (large counties hide fake votes better than small ones...) Don't lose those thumb drives w/ the algorithm, scumbags!






It is unfortunate that he lost to a faceless creation of the Democrat machine, who I wouldn't be surprised to learn was given the last bits of a long solved famous bombing case as a "move" that would help him later.

The Senate in its original design was never meant to have individually powerful people, rather it is a place for a somewhat normal leader and representative of his state to serve in an institution intentionally designed to quell their individual and regional passions, rendering ineffective the Senator or Senate's ability to take away our rights.

Add these together

+ Black Box Voting
+ Soros meddling and "out of state" money as he calls it
+ PAY US Jefferson County vote drive
+ Fake, forged and timed allegations
+ The same 10 Commandments Moore posted in court // VERY unpopular with Dem-tit-sucking welfare crowd.

= a Mountain Brook Attorney goes to Washington to further the dismantling of this country and it's eventual replacement with something else. But neither JONES nor his dying party will succeed.

MAGA

Quote: (12-13-2017 04:56 PM)Neo Wrote:  

As for the turnout, I don't have enough of a background in politics to know if that 92% number is impossible or close to it.

However, I can imagine that they had a solid ground game, and their 'social justice' instincts went into overdrive with the allegations. They didn't want a a 'monster' like Moore to be in the senate.

It's unfortunate because some liberals I've known had their heart in the right place (try to make the world a better place, help the less fortunate.) Or at least they started out that way before becoming more radicalized in leftist ideology.

The problem is many times they don't have the capacity to see past the emotional manipulation tactics of the media and use actual logic. They also lack the ability to selectively be empathetic or caring. All they see is that poor refugee, but they ignore the actual rapists.

In the case of the allegations against Moore, they just don't seem to pass muster. The timing especially was suspicious. I'd say the most he was guilty of was hitting on teenagers, which 40 years ago in Alabama may have even been normal. The Hannity interview didn't do him any favors either.

If Moore truly was the despicable man the media portrayed him to be their actions to defeat him would have been warranted, maybe even noble.

In reality the people of Alabama got played and now their state and the entire nation are going to suffer for it.

92% is mathematically possible but usually high

It's not "92% democrat turnout", it was 92% turnout of the democrat's general election turnout. Meaning, the same amount of democrats (actually 8% fewer) turned out for the special election as the 2016 election.

The 4 largest metro areas (blue areas) saw a 6.5% increase in turnout over the the 2014 mid term elections. While slightly higher than normal for a special election, it is certainly within reason, you could even say expected. As we've seen this was no ordinary special election, and it is no surprised that a similar amount of people who voted against Trump were especially motivated to go vote against Moore. Meanwhile the motivation to vote for Moore was low, turnout in rural areas was down 5.4%, and that is no shock either.

The sexual hysteria worked, along with Moore simply being a poor candidate, and the results seem neither odd nor fraudulent.

Quote: (12-13-2017 10:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Quote: (12-13-2017 10:46 AM)Renton1875 Wrote:  

Personally I'm with Suits, 16 yrs old is the current consent and marriage age in my country. This is the age when you are considered an adult. In my opinion the judges, not unlike Moore himself, who sign off 10 yr olds to marry 31 yr olds should be strung up, but guess what, you can't. It's the law

That's both degenerate and sinful.

Producing massive families is degenerate, okay good thinking there chap.

Let's not speak in strawmen and hyperboles.

Samseau.

Do you support children down to the age of 10 being married?

Do you harbour any belief that a girl child married at that age will not have her virginity taken before the legal age of consent, possibly at ten years of age?

Do you think that marrying and having sex with a ten year old girl is OK if the intent is to produce massive families?

Please answer these questions plainly.