Quote: (12-02-2017 12:53 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:
Who put them there and why are they there in the first place? Fuck those statues.
I hope they all get taken down and blown up. It's pissing in the face of millions of dead blacks and whites who died fighting those traitors.
There's kind of an unwritten rule in war that you don't "punish" the defeated further by going in and tearing down all their statues and spitting in their faces. Most times when you defeat an enemy, you let them keep their culture as much as possible so you can get them to agree on the stuff that really matters most to you and turn them into a productive, non-combatant society (this is especially true in the case of Civil War!).
Not only is that just bad etiquette to kick people when they're down, but it's a fantastic way to sow deep discord and renew the fight in your enemy, guaranteeing they will never see themselves as part of your group. The fact that you think it's okay to do this to your own countrymen is even worse - you're not going to create harmony with your fellow citizens by tearing their heroes away from them no matter how much those heroes "make you feel."
And to go back and "punish" people for a war that ended 152 years ago is beyond ridiculous. Why tear open old wounds and animosities unless you're just trying to start a fight? Again, most times when you defeat an enemy, you let them keep their culture and their idols. This is a case where the victors are trying to go back and punish the grandchildren over a century and a half after the war ended. Why any thinking man would find this a reasonable or wise thing to do is way beyond me...
And let's not forget the hard truth that America was not the only culture to ever engage in slavery - it's as old as civilization. Do you want to go all around the planet and tear up any statue that was ever associated with someone who owned slaves? Good luck with that one.
White people seem to be harder on themselves than any race on the planet, and then America specifically seems to loathe itself more than any other country. If this was another country I doubt you'd agree that we should be tearing up history like this to make everyone feel better.
There's something really wrong with a society when it's harder on its own citizens than it is on the citizens of other countries.
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Like I said most of the points you guys have just sounds fucking dumb upon further scrutiny.
You've made multiple comments like this and then you bristle when someone cusses at you? How about a little self awareness? You're the one arguing with emotion and hostility - don't be surprised when others respond to you in kind. Make cool-headed, rational arguments and I bet you'll get a different response. At the very least, if you're going to talk like this, don't start clinging to forum rules, implying you're ready to meet in person and throw dukes, and calling out "keyboard warrior" when others do the same.
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White men can go to virtually any foreign country, especially Asia and Latin America, and be worshiped. They have a shit-ton of advantages and head starts in the US. Whites are not under attack except by the radical left and sometimes they have valid points.
Cut this "woe is me" bullshit out.
Advantages?
Sure, some, maybe a lot of white folks, do. Certainly not all.
A bit about my "advantaged" background simply for a little perspective.
Raised by a single mom with three sons. My dad had a junior high education. My mother made it halfway through high school.
Father in prison most of my life. We were homeless for a while and for a long time we couldn't afford a car, so I remember us hitchiking into town 20 or so miles away with my mom to get groceries in town - on one such trip when I was about 7, she lost her last $12 to her name on the trip back. That entire night I remember her crying and crying from the depth of her stomach over what even at that age seemed to me such a trifling amount, and I vowed to myself then that I'd never let myself get so destitute that $12 could be enough to break me.
Drugs and violence constantly around me growing up - speed, coke, heroin, the booze. Picking up my mom and dragging her to bed when she'd come home late and pass out in the driveway or bathroom. Outlaws and sluts snorting lines or screaming at each other at the top of their lungs late into the night when I had to get up early the next day for school - screaming at my own mother and her friends repeatedly to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
My shoes rotting off my feet in the northern california rains because we couldn't get new ones. My brother and I going hungry on away games in sports, watching the other kids eat because we just didn't have the money. Living on instant ramen at times. My father and uncle both dying from heroin overdoses. Beating the shit out of my mom's boyfriend when I was 14 - having him pull a knife on me. I probably could have gone to college on football or wrestling, but once I got old enough to work, mom told me it was time to get a job and pay my share of the bills. When I came out of that, I showed up at my mom's one day to proudly announce that I'd signed up at the community college anyways. My mom looked at me and said "Well, I can't afford to help you pay for it!" For the record, I hadn't been asking for or hoping for help.
This is just some of what I went through. Not the worst, I know, but at the time it seemed like it. I also may have inherited some of my father's mental problems. I grew up with a lot of anger as a result and couldn't tell you the actual number but if I was to take a very reasonable guess I'd say I've broken one hand or another about 9 or 10 times, AT LEAST, and nah I'm not exagerating. Walls, faces, juke boxes, you name it. Once my bone came through the back of my hand and another time I actually broke them both at once and even then I worked a hard labor job all that summer, performing tasks that men with two hands complained about. I don't know if I ever had insurance any of these times, so the hospital bills stacked up. The psychs tried to get me on meds to control my depression and anger but instead of acting like a victim and running for pills I told them I could take care of it myself, and as long as I stay away from the drinking, I do handle it just fine.
I've also had my share of run-ins with the cops. Looking like a young white punk and having a chip on your shoulder will accomplish that just as easily as looking like a young punk of any other color - I can assure you of that. I remember one time the cops pulling us over on the way back from wrestling practice and shoving a gun in my face and screaming their heads off. I had no idea why I was being pulled over but they wouldn't allow any questions, just yanked me out and threw me on the ground and cuffed me.
Our crime, it turned out, was speeding and then not noticing the sirens quick enough because we were listening to our music too loud. I've been shot with rubber bullets while I had my hands on the top of my head in surrender - watched my best friend get tazered and beat with billy clubs, his tooth coming through his lip. Held my older brother on the ground in a full nelson so he wouldn't jump in to help and had the cops sit there laughing at insulting him, trying to get him to dare. I've definitely had my share of power trips where cops didn't like my tone or look and decided to throw me in jail for a night.
I watched a lot of the poor white kids I grew up with go completely down the drain - most didn't come out of it the way I did. Quite a few ended up dead or landing in jail for assault or murder. Quite a few others are strung out on drugs. Most don't have a dad or any kind of culture to help pull them out of it - I realize the black community has a headstart on this, but believe me when I say that we're on our way, but we have none of the group cohesion to turn to instead. Even the hard-working white guys I know go straight home from work and spend almost no time bonding with the other men like them. Perhaps this is an American thing but it definitely seems to be worse in the white community. When we do finally get back around to forming groups, I fear they are not going to be the kind that is good for society either.
After that "advantaged" upbringing I worked my ass off and got my act together, and then life hit me hard and I got caught in the crosshairs of a criminal organization that ended up putting a hit on my life. Thanks to the safe white community I grew up, I'd say... I've talked about this on the forum before. I won't get into it here except to say they definitely did not have the right guy so it came out of nowhere and I did nothing to deserve it or invite it other than being a poor kid coming up and attracting too much jealousy in the wrong community.
I could have started shooting people. I definitely thought about it. I hid in a hotel room for days with my eye swollen shut and a gun in my hand seriously thinking about it. Wouldn't have gotten me anywhere because it's a big enough group that they are all over the country and even in other countries now. And the prison system.
I could have drunk myself into a hole somewhere or done any number of things but instead I picked up and moved to Asia and built a business on my computer that allows me to make $100+ per hour when I feel like being productive and working on a regular basis. Didn't even know if I'd ever see my family again when I first left. By the way, working online is
available to anyone no matter what your race and background - I don't have any college degree to make this possible and I hardly ever meet my clients in person.
Advantaged? Ha.
Look, I'm not asking for any self-pity here or trying to compare battle wounds. I don't even pity myself, and I'm the last person on the planet to buy into any "woe is me." I've met dozens of men from this forum and I think the majority would agree I don't in the slightest carry my past like a purple heart on my shoulder or go through life looking for pity. Some would say I'm ridiculously optimistic about life even when it slaps me down.
Hell, as tough as my trials were, I've seen other people who had it a lot harder, and I'm sure you have too. One of my best friends got into college on financial aid and when he was gone his older brother flipped out on drugs and killed his mom and and little bro with a baseball bat and then jumped off a cliff. How's that for a raw fucking deal? Lost his ENTIRE FAMILY in one go.
And he is more hard-working and successful than most men I know. how's that for "advantaged?"
I'm sure you know some too - but I think we can all agree my upbringing and early adults were anything but "privileged" or "advantaged" for a man of any race. And my point here is that we all have a story and there are people of all races going through real deal shit in their lives, backed in a corner with nowhere to turn for help, and the ones that point fingers and assume others have it easy only defeat themselves. No matter what they're going through, blaming the "other" or feeling sorry for yourself will NEVER be the answer.
Throughout my life in poor rural neighborhoods I ran through I definitely got my share of hostile "white boy" insults, with native American, mexican, and black kids trying to call me out, always in groups, or corner me. You could see the animosity in their faces, and for what? Or acting like I was some soft privileged chump with an easy life just because I was white. For what? Because I presumedly had it so easy? Hell, I probably did have it easier than some of them but it still doesn't make any damn sense. Not like I was from some long line of rich and powerful old oppressive white men. lol As a youngster, I noticed that even if there were other white guys around, it was becoming a cultural faux pas to speak up against injustices committed by people of color if it seemed like you were banding up with other whites, so people tended to look the other way.
Even in college the black kids especially would come through with a chip on their shoulder, the athletes more than anyone, running in crews trying to intimidate white boys who were just there to study and build a future. The Samoans too. At the bars it really got wild. I had more than my share of late night brawls. They'd made it to higher education and still couldn't let it go. Some of us, like me, were working our assess off with no help from our parents to get an education, and they couldn't seem to see that some of us probably struggled harder growing up than most of them did.
I saw these kids running around with way nicer clothes and cars and other shit that I could afford on my dime waiting tables and they're acting like I was born with some kind of silver spoon. Nothing like watching middle class kids running around like they have street cred just because of the color of their skin when you're probably more street than they will ever be because the house you came home to at night was the street. A white street but the street nonetheless.
Why tell you this? Because this cultural issue of demonizing white makes no sense when we're the majority, but I can tell you it is real and definitely has reprecussions for all races. It gives every "minority" kid something to focus their negativity on when things don't work out for them, giving them an easy excuse out instead of focusing on self improvement the way that I and a lot of my other white brothers finally did - the way I see minority guys do too when they're strong and smart enough to duck the bullshit and build themselves up. Not all of them fall for it but plenty do.
It creates animosity between white kids and kids of other races out there on the streets where we're living together, an animosity that seems to be getting worse within all classes, even those doing well enough that they should know better. And aside from it making this "poor me" attitude a bane on the lives of minority kids who buy into the bullshit, it also does make it tough on white kids who really don't have anything going for them or any male role model or supposed white privilege or even culture to fall back on and are growing up confused wondering what the fuck all these middle and upper class bitches are even going on about.
It makes them feel alienated and pissed off.
When some dumb white woman or cocky kid of another race tries giving me shit about my easy path through life, these days I just want to fucking laugh - I fought and bled hard for everything I've had and done. And I did it all on my own. I remember trying to sell an old radio in front of the street when I was 13 just to get a couple bucks in my pocket and being accused by some guy of selling stolen goods. Please tell me about the white resources that kept me out of jail and carried me through my life.
Growing up poor and disadvantaged sucks for anyone. I'd venture it certainly makes it no easier when people are constantly trying to tell you that you have nothing to be proud of and no culture and no right to reach for a better life because, well, you've coasted along as it is enough already...
Scorn and laugh at whites lamenting this bullshit all you want but it won't change the fact that if we don't drop these race chips off our shoulder, there's going to be some real ugly goings on in our culture. We've already managed to convince a lot of the races that we're responsible for all their problems - the animosity is thick and yes, it is dangerous. Completely unnecessary and dangerous - an idea virus.
Meanwhile, white men are being backed into a corner and having their entire identity robbed from them, and I guarantee you when they do get tired of it things aren't going to be pretty for anybody. There's a lot of fight still left in these guys as soft as a lot of other races like to think we are, and if we don't rebuild the white community and give poor white males a sense of group cohesion, rates of violence and drug use among the demographic or only going to catch up with black men before long. You can't rob an entire race of males of their culture and cohesion and not expect drastic repercussions.
The other day on Facebook, someone shared a Twitter post of a black teacher who said that all white women who have a male child are creating a vicious animal and they should be obligated to bash it's brains out before it could do the world harm and save all of us. Yes, this was said in real life by a real life woman who teaches real life children. There was actually a white woman, a friend of a friend, who came on there and commented "Well, it's true." And then the guy who shared it agreed with her. Why? Because of vagina is my best guess. But whatever the cause these ideas and the support of them have consequences.
Yes these, are white people hating on white people (other than the initial black poster), but it doesn't matter who it comes from - it's a fucked up idea and it should therefore be argued against. Are you saying it should not? Are you saying you would not? You're telling me if some white woman said that black male infants should have their brains bashed out of their heads, and this was agreed to by other black males, that you wouldn't see a reason to begin speaking up or at least feel there just might actually be a problem brewing?
Another time I posted something in response to a sexual discrimination issue and was told I had no room to comment because I'm a white male. Please tell me, how many times have you posted on a public forum like Facebook about any issue and had people
you actually know speak up to say you have no say because you're a black male? Truly, tell me - I'll just sit here and hold my breath for your answer...
I'm not competing with you here on race complaints - but if you think white men don't have anything to protest or speak up about at all, well, you are living blind, my friend.
I've lived in Asia for ten years and seen how other races treat their women, but I'm not allowed to comment on sexual abuse issues because I'm a white male? Not because I'm a male but specifically because I'm a white male (laughably, it was a white male who said this)?
When I pointed this out, I was told I get to travel only because I'm a white male - no effort to recognize my initial point. Forget that I fled the country for my life and then ground it out on a computer, down to my last dollars in a Thai ghetto and no one to turn to and nowhere to run and hide, to make a living out of nothing. When I argued further a white woman came in to say that no one cared "about my little white feelings" (obvious hypocritical sexual attack) and reminded me of my white male privilege, and generated a bunch of likes in the process. Again, can you seriously tell me with a straight face that any people you know in the real world (meaning aside from random racist youtube trolls) would not only have the audacity to attack your identity in this way publicly but be actually
supported by others from the community?
I think we both know that regardless of other challenges black men face, this is definitely not one of them. Yet you claim white men are just being stupid if we argue against this growing trend....
This is the type of shit white males somehow face all the time, and yes, you're right that it's ridiculously ironic when white is the majority race, but that doesn't make it any less real. So, you tell me how in the hell we're not supposed to respond when we're constantly being attacked and silenced on all sides because we're white males. I don't care who is doing it - I'm going to respond. Would you just sit there and keep your mouth shut every time someone tried to exclude you from a conversation because you're a black male? I doubt it. I highly, highly doubt it.
Yet every time white men speak out on how dumb these comments and accusations are, we're then accused of being racist and/or ridiculous to be pissed.
I don't think anyone here is looking for pity so much as they're calling out bullshit in response to an ongoing attack that they see going on around them. I ask you to open your mind and see that fact. There's no need for you to get defensive. Our problem is not with you but with the growing resentment of white maleness, a problem that does exist no matter who the perpetrators are.
And a problem that we will ridicule no matter how much it rubs you wrong.
Quote: (12-02-2017 02:09 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:
White people run the government. Whose fault is that then?
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I don't get your point.
First you say there is no problem. Now what are you saying - are you saying white people run the government so we should look at ourselves?
I thought that was the entire point - isn't that what we're doing here? So why do you seem to be taking it personal?
This thread is meant to call out the ridiculousness of the issue. Should we not talk about it just because it's mostly the fault of our own race? It's our fault so it should be accepted?
For the record, I do think there are plenty of blacks and people of other races at fault as well for being foolish enough to buy into the victim mentality SJWs feed them and the crazy notion that only whites can manifest such a human trait as racism (a notion that is itself racist), but again, I don't think the intention of this thread or the "it's okay to be white" campaign was ever to call out black people for anything - it was to call out white SJWs and/or others attacking white maleness.
But you're basically telling us to stop whining and then saying the issue is white people's fault. How else do you suggest we put these SJW idiots in their place other than shame and argue against their self-loathing?
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Quote: (12-02-2017 03:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:
Bossofbosses, interesting name. Does it mean you'de white or want to be white?
Are you implying that to be white is to be the boss?
Pretty sure you did, actually.
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