Passports Anyone Can Obtain
02-23-2012, 02:21 PM
Do the seasoned travelers agree with this article's analysis?
http://www.businessinsider.com/four-valu...ain-2012-2
http://www.businessinsider.com/four-valu...ain-2012-2
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:20 PM)germanico Wrote:
Belgium and Brazil look tempting.
Any info on how much cash it would take to get the passport?
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:30 PM)chairman Wrote:
Some of these citizenships are not worth it because you would have to give up your old one and in most cases would be bad. Belgium is the most tempting, but it is the same difficulty as many other EU nations. UK would probably be the easiest because of no language barrier.
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:20 PM)germanico Wrote:
Belgium and Brazil look tempting.
Any info on how much cash it would take to get the passport?
50K in Brazil will do the job. That country still suffers from bloated bureaucracy and corruption. I don't really see any benefits to citizenship there unless you're looking to invest and start a company. Not for the average joe. Weak state welfare system compared to the West.
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:36 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:30 PM)chairman Wrote:
Some of these citizenships are not worth it because you would have to give up your old one and in most cases would be bad. Belgium is the most tempting, but it is the same difficulty as many other EU nations. UK would probably be the easiest because of no language barrier.
Belgium is good because the EU headquarters is in Brussels. There's lots of gigs there if you're looking for formal employment. Not a whole lot going on in Belgium otherwise, but as an EU member state, you can work in any country within the Euro zone, including the UK. Belgium is by far the best one of the lot for most people.
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:43 PM)MikeCF Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:25 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 04:20 PM)germanico Wrote:
Belgium and Brazil look tempting.
Any info on how much cash it would take to get the passport?
50K in Brazil will do the job. That country still suffers from bloated bureaucracy and corruption. I don't really see any benefits to citizenship there unless you're looking to invest and start a company. Not for the average joe. Weak state welfare system compared to the West.
One word: Taxes.
The U.S. taxes worldwide income over a certain amount ($91,500, IIRC).
I'm not married to this country, and would give up citizenship to save cash.
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2) BRAZIL. There are two great things about Brazil. One, they refuse to extradite their citizens to answer for foreign crimes. It just doesn’t happen.
Quote: (02-23-2012 05:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
On there he says this:
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2) BRAZIL. There are two great things about Brazil. One, they refuse to extradite their citizens to answer for foreign crimes. It just doesn’t happen.
Anyone know if that is the case?
I know that Jesse James Hollywood guy was extradited from Brazil.
I am not 100% that he was a citizen though.
Quote: (02-23-2012 05:53 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 05:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
On there he says this:
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2) BRAZIL. There are two great things about Brazil. One, they refuse to extradite their citizens to answer for foreign crimes. It just doesn’t happen.
Anyone know if that is the case?
I know that Jesse James Hollywood guy was extradited from Brazil.
I am not 100% that he was a citizen though.
They won't extradite BRAZILIAN citizens. Jesse James was an American.
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Brazil is the KING of ‘flexible’ citizenship options– getting married, adopting a child, hell even adopting a rain forest in some cases
Quote: (02-23-2012 06:16 PM)MiXX Wrote:
I have political friends in Brasilia I visit, and one of their favorite pastimes, is to gather around beer (chopp), with their fancy suits, and talk abut how much money they have robbed from the gov't WITH PRIDE!!!!
One of them drives a late model Ferrari....in BRAZIL!!!
I was amazed at how open, and proud they are of stealing. It's like bragging about fucking a top tier model for them, their own country!
Mixx
Quote: (02-23-2012 06:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 05:53 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 05:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
On there he says this:
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2) BRAZIL. There are two great things about Brazil. One, they refuse to extradite their citizens to answer for foreign crimes. It just doesn’t happen.
Anyone know if that is the case?
I know that Jesse James Hollywood guy was extradited from Brazil.
I am not 100% that he was a citizen though.
They won't extradite BRAZILIAN citizens. Jesse James was an American.
It also says:
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Brazil is the KING of ‘flexible’ citizenship options– getting married, adopting a child, hell even adopting a rain forest in some cases
I remember reading Jesse James Hollywood was living with a woman with a child.
Maybe he didn't "button up" the citizen thing though?
Ronnie Biggs of Great Train Robbery fame stayed in Brazil for a long time, when he married a Brazilian. England couldn't extradite him.
Maybe Jesse James Hollywood dropped the ball.
Quote: (02-23-2012 06:40 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:
So you met the "Impostômetro" then...
I'm shocked to see how well Hencredible knows the Brazilian society. That's how it rolls here.. fucking corrupt country.
You don't know how it pisses me off to pay more taxes than a Swedish men , while having streets paved with violence and poverty.
Anyway , I don't see any advantage to have a Brazilian passport if you don't want to settle here. I have an EU passport (Portuguese) and Its way better to travel to most countries.
Jesse was american , and I don't know if it is that easy to get a Brazilian citizenship. My experience tells otherwise (german co-workers gave up due to the amount of red-tape and pre-requisites.)
Quote: (02-23-2012 11:25 PM)TheBear Wrote:
From the Americans I have talked to living in Brazil, citizenship is anything but easy. I know a guy that has been down here 6 years, is married to a Brazilian, and owns a company. He only got his citizenship last year. While the process may appear easy on paper, like many things in Brazil, the reality is probably quite different.
That being said, if it were feasible to get one and still hold my U.S. citizenship I would definitely do it. Having one country on the rise and one on the fall would give me more options. I'm also curious as to how well American citizens will be treated abroad after it loses it's world power status.
I have a feeling that all the countries we fucked over since WWII may not be so friendly when they could do business with China/India/Brazil instead of us.
Quote: (02-24-2012 05:41 AM)GiovanniRio Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2012 11:25 PM)TheBear Wrote:
From the Americans I have talked to living in Brazil, citizenship is anything but easy. I know a guy that has been down here 6 years, is married to a Brazilian, and owns a company. He only got his citizenship last year. While the process may appear easy on paper, like many things in Brazil, the reality is probably quite different.
That being said, if it were feasible to get one and still hold my U.S. citizenship I would definitely do it. Having one country on the rise and one on the fall would give me more options. I'm also curious as to how well American citizens will be treated abroad after it loses it's world power status.
I have a feeling that all the countries we fucked over since WWII may not be so friendly when they could do business with China/India/Brazil instead of us.
It takes time, but it's pretty easy, although not always as straight forward as it should be (read many additional visits, where 1 should be enough). It just takes lots of time. I had to wait 1 year before the policia federal came to see if I actually lived in the country, and another one to get my ID. It takes another 5 years before you can go for a Brazilian passport. I now have a Belgian & Brazilian one
With regards to taxes (Hencredible Casanova): as soon you cross the 6-7000 euro income/month, I don't understand people still pay taxes, except if you are doing local (small) business. Taxes on INCOME are very low in Brazil compared to Europe/US and it's pretty easy to work with foreign companies to take most of your money out of the total income tax figure.
Yes, countries such as Belgium have a great social structure, but if you earn enough money, the taxes you'll be paying are way to much compared to the service you'll be receiving. No way I ever pay for people who resist to work, bad governmental investments,... I'll pay my own pension, health insurance, ... but refuse to pay 51% on my earned money.
Quote: (02-24-2012 08:05 AM)Vickers Wrote:
[quote] (02-24-2012 05:41 AM)GiovanniRio Wrote:
(02-24-2012, 04:25 AM)TheBear Wrote:
Yes if you can,but as it seems approximately 38 million of your fellow-citizens "can't afford" it.
What kind of "service" is that?
What is the average life expectancy in your society and in the "tax-financed" govermental invested EU countries?
So which countries offer the better service?
Let this "question" be.
@Vickers Not sure what you mean, but I'll give it a try...
There are only 11million people in Belgium AND health insurance is FREE - or costs up to around 60€ a year... schools are free, same with many other things... Thing is that its never free... as you pay taxes (quickly up to 51%, and 21% VAT). In case you have a decent business running, the taxes you'll be paying are WAY more than the costs of paying your own health insurance, pension,... in other words, you are paying for the once who don't make anything out of their lives. Not my thing.
Average life expectancy in Flanders; 80.7 years, being with the best in the world... I however don't care for that. This means you are depending on others. If you make something out of your live, you are able to afford the best everywhere in the world, and thus life expectation becomes location independent.
If you are talking about Brazil, there's a free health insurance system to, all be it low quality. The same thing counts there to; I only pay a small amount of taxes, which are fair; roads, security,... those services need to be paid to, as I'm using them. No problem with that.
Now, back to the passports. First: I can stay as long/live in Brazil without any limitations. My Belgian also allows me to travel to most countries without a visa, or live in any European country if I wish to. Second, thanks to both my passports I always have safety-nets. Third, its a massive value if you want to be creative with your taxes.