That's Charlottesville-type gross generalization though Traktor, highlighting a fringe movement in order to discredit the whole side. Not that I don't support Spanish nationalists like these guys, but the optics here are awful and play into the pinkos' hands. They're fighting a political battle with the wrong tools.

Quote: (10-01-2017 10:08 AM)911 Wrote:  

That's Charlottesville-type gross generalization though Traktor, highlighting a fringe movement in order to discredit the whole side. Not that I don't support Spanish nationalists like these guys, but the optics here are awful and play into the pinkos' hands. They're fighting a political battle with the wrong tools.

I'm not saying that all Spanish unionists are out and out Fash but there is still a whiff of Francoism about it. The PP are the successors to the People's Alliance which was founded in 1976 by one of Franco's minsters Manuel Fraga. Spanish unionists would do best to publicly disassociate and condemn neo Nazis like these in Quintis's post.

That said, Fraga was good mates with Fidel Castro.








Also, Franco in the 1960s donated money and fishing vessels to Cuba in a bid to help the country build up its fishing fleet during the US blockade on the island. Franco is reported to have said to the Cuban ambassador to "tell Fidel to give the Americans hell".

Quote: (09-27-2017 05:18 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  

From the article:

Quote:Quote:

“Some British politicians – not to name Boris Johnson – criticise their countrymen and women for wanting to keep their European identity. He accuses them of ‘split allegiance’. I think this is a binary, old-fashioned and reductionist understanding of identity. I think we need to be smarter, more open and more inventive then that,” he said.

The bolding is mine. Where have we heard this sort of crap before?

Edited because I screwed up the bolding.

Yeah, apparently everything is fungible and ambivalent these days. The Sophists have basically taken over Western civilization. Quite frankly at this point I'm mentally checking out, as many others here already seem to have done, at least judging by the sharp drop in participation here over the past few months. It feels like we're facing a firehose of vomit that we're constantly forced to swallow, every single pillar of our civilization is being put into question now. It's exhausting and never ending, and thus extremely demoralizing.

Women now want to act like 2nd rated men, traditional gender and family roles are being flushed down the toilet, legislation across the West is increasingly being geared toward demonizing and criminalizing white males in particular, divorce and rape laws have been turned into a mine field for men, free speech is on its death row. And if that wasn't already enough to cope with we've got Islam making a push to take over a large part of the Western hemisphere.

I think i'm going to find myself a quiet place on some island and just live out my existence in whatever relative mental and physical peace may remain.

Traktor:

To be clear, I didn't even know who that group was in that tweet (from Bronze Age Pervert) I posted here earlier. I knew nothing about them, and posting that tweet doesn't mean I agree with their ideas. But yeah, you're right, it looks like they are some hard-core extreme rightist fringe group.

I don't agree with their worldview or support that, but doesn't mean that ALL Spanish nationalists can be lumped in with them. That's the standard game played by the left: find the most extreme of the fringe, and then try to paint everyone with the same brush. Come on, man. You know better than that. We're not shrieking SJWs here, calling each other names.

In fact, most Spaniards have a healthy, moderate sense of national identity and religion, free of the guilt complexes, extreme political correctness, and outright insane policies of some of the other European countries. We should be encouraging and supporting that, not condemning it. People are getting tired of degenerate atheism that finds rationalizations for every corrupt impulse; they're getting tired of the lack of discipline, the lack of respect for authority, and the lack of respect for national traditions. At some point, there is going to be a major backlash.

The Mediterranean people in general (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc.) seem to have a healthier sense of identity when compared with their northern brethren. A generalization, of course, but not one without foundation.

I've got a very close friend who lives about an hour's drive outside of Barcelona, and he's telling me that all this "separatist" stuff is overblown. The central government in Madrid will never allow Catalonia to go its own way (that issue was decided in the civil war). They're just indulging the Catalans, letting them have their little party. At the end of the day, it means very little.

Spain is a great country, a proud country. May she rise again.

.

Quote: (10-01-2017 10:05 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2017 09:47 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2017 09:27 AM)911 Wrote:  

I'm totally on the side of Spanish nationalists, the Catalan separatists have a lot of that red 1930s agenda blended with modern SJW pro-EU leftism. But those types of interventions are very counterproductive and not helpful to the Spanish cause.

In other news, Soros backing Catalan independence:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article198106.html

Yep 80-90% of modern SJWism derives some sort of lineage from the ¡No Pasarán! Trotskyites of the Spanish Republicans.

The slogan of ¡No Pasarán! was used by the Republican side of all shapes and hue as a common slogan against the fascists. I knew a couple of IRA (Irish Republican Army) members who fought in Spain on the Republican side and they told me that slogan was everywhere. The Trotskyites (POUM) were one of the factions of the Republicans and they were not liked by the others - Basques, Catalans, Republicans, Anarchists, pro Moscow communists.

As for Soros, he has his fingers in many pies but his influence here is miniscule.

The Catalans and the Basques (who fought against Franco and suffered for decades in the aftermath of the Civil War) have the right of self determination should they wish to exercise that. The Basques are the oldest extant people in Europe and their language goes back thousands of years, well before that of Greek or Latin.

Having seen those videos and the way the vote turned out, Madrid have a hell of a lot to answer for.

If I was a Catalan, I think I'd be arming myself to the teeth and declaring independence within a week.
The Madrid violence is basically saying "we can't win a vote so we'll bully you into staying".

It shows that ultimately most Western "democracies" are shams. They only hold back on the violence if you are doing or "choosing" what they say.

I'm really no fan of many separatist movements - Welsh, Scottish, Chechen, Ukrainian and the like.
But the Catalans have been treated very shittily in my view.

Quote: (10-02-2017 10:07 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

But the Catalans have been treated very shittily in my view.

With all due respect but your opinion is worth very little as seems to be based on emotional sentiment and not on the facts on the ground. Catalonia is by a wide margin inhabited by droves of Marxist feminist assholes who are itching at the opportunity to detach from Spain and turn the region into a major port of entry for Islamic immigration. They are doing this right now already and once out of the control of Madrid they would most likely compete neck on neck with Sweden as the most cucked, feminist, and Islam friendly region of Europe. The implications for Spain would be extremely grave and if nothing else it would throw the Iberian Peninsula into an economic tailspin.

By the way the Catalans really didn't think this through, as their desire to immediately join the European Union afterward has a snowballs chance of succeeding as Spain, Italy, and perhaps France are almost guaranteed to vote against them (the vote needs to be unanimous if I am not mistaken). So what then? Become the Iberian Switzerland? I don't think so as their political leanings are positioned on the extreme left, to put it mildly. Antifa has a strong following there and without doubt would use an independent Cataluña as a European power base.

Pointing the fingers at Spain for roughing up a few political extremists shows that you have very little understanding of the implications of independence movements or outright revolutions. They usually are followed by a huge mess of which the French revolution was one of the most misunderstood examples (history books today are extremely left leaning and thus only emphasize the failings and crimes of the monarchs at the time).

Rajoy was given two bad choices and he picked the one that has a slim chance of keeping control of what effectively is Spanish sovereign territory. I would have done the same, except that I would have called in the military and ensure that nobody cast a single vote.

I am sick and tired of seeing sovereign nations be destroyed by globalist assholes. That although I am familiar with Catalonia's long standing claims and political autonomy over the past few decades. My point is that you should not be too quick to judge Madrid's actions as Catalonia's independence plays straight into the hands of the no border one world globalists.

Quote: (10-02-2017 01:24 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2017 10:07 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

But the Catalans have been treated very shittily in my view.

With all due respect but your opinion is worth very little as seems to be based on emotional sentiment and not on the facts on the ground. Catalonia is by a wide margin inhabited by droves of Marxist feminist assholes who are itching at the opportunity to detach from Spain and turn the region into a major port of entry for Islamic immigration. They are doing this right now already and once out of the control of Madrid they would most likely compete neck on neck with Sweden as the most cucked, feminist, and Islam friendly region of Europe. The implications for Spain would be extremely grave and if nothing else it would throw the Iberian Peninsula into an economic tailspin.

By the way the Catalans really didn't think this through, as their desire to immediately join the European Union afterward has a snowballs chance of succeeding as Spain, Italy, and perhaps France are almost guaranteed to vote against them (the vote needs to be unanimous if I am not mistaken). So what then? Become the Iberian Switzerland? I don't think so as their political leanings are positioned on the extreme left, to put it mildly. Antifa has a strong following there and without doubt would use an independent Cataluña as a European power base.

Pointing the fingers at Spain for roughing up a few political extremists shows that you have very little understanding of the implications of independence movements or outright revolutions. They usually are followed by a huge mess of which the French revolution was one of the most misunderstood examples (history books today are extremely left leaning and thus only emphasize the failings and crimes of the monarchs at the time).

Rajoy was given two bad choices and he picked the one that has a slim chance of keeping control of what effectively is Spanish sovereign territory. I would have done the same, except that I would have called in the military and ensure that nobody cast a single vote.

I am sick and tired of seeing sovereign nations be destroyed by globalist assholes. That although I am familiar with Catalonia's long standing claims and political autonomy over the past few decades. My point is that you should not be too quick to judge Madrid's actions as Catalonia's independence plays straight into the hands of the no border one world globalists.

Well with all due respect, the only one looking at it emotionally and stating arguments of little value is you. The Catalans want to be separate, overwhelmingly so. They've been carrying other parts of Spain. The only reason they are still part of Spain is that lowlife Franco. One reason Spain is far behind much of Western Europe because it has refused to shake off remnants of outright feudalism for so long. Have you ever actually been to Catalonia?

In the past, some independence campaigners may have been associated with far left politics. But clearly not any more.
And there is a long and valid historical justification for Catalonia to separate. To say Madrid should be ruling it, is like saying Spain should still be run by the Moorish Muslims!

As for feminism and faggotry and gimmegration, the whole of the NATO zone is riddled with that. Its not a Catalan thing remotely. And its the EU and MAdrid thats letting all the Islamist garbage in. Because Catalonia is prosperous, the gimmegrants want to move there - like London, Northern Europe, Germany etc.

By breaking away the Catalans are making a stand AGAINST globalist bullshit. Notice the EU's cowardly refusal to condemn Madrid. And as for implications of independence movements, I can assure you I'm very well tuned into them!

BTW, if it was the 1770s, would you as an American have gladly kept paying tribute to the British Empire? Ofcourse not! And Catalonia has a hugely bigger claim to independence than 1770s America.

Reminder: it was NINETY PERCENT of those who were allowed to vote. NOT a bunch of trannies, goatfuckers and bearded dykes.

If the rest of Spain falls into a tailspin, hard luck.They should pull their fingers out of their arses and get their act together. Corruption, arrogance and laziness are Spain's main problem. And thinking the rest of Europe should be bailing them out. And they should learn from Catalonia! Personally, I'll be boycotting Spain for holidays til they let the Catalans do what they want. The opinions you are stating are truly staggering.

Spain have two choices.
1)Accept the right of peoples to self determination - as espoused in international conventions.

2)Refuse to do so, and become rightly ostracised by much of the international community.

Spain shows blatant hypocrisy. It happily supports places like Kosovo (despite its claims) and the Ukraine - who have shitty claims for independence. Yet violently attacks Catalans who have very good, infact overwhelming claims for independence.

Spain ie Madrid happily killed itself as a real country when it joined the EU (couldn't resist the handouts from other countries!). So its a bit late for them to stamp their feet now. Nor would it have any right to in any event.

Catalunya crisis is similar to the southern states being forced to join the union by DC. Not US leaving the british empire.

There has been several referendums already. It´s just a form of pressure. Rajoy is being pushed. Just like a whore and a beta. It´s shit games. Catalonia will continue pushing with farces. All referendums were illegal. And votes were a circus. Since some people voted 5-6 times.

Catalonia becoming independent=freeway for migrants. Muslims are already 1/3 in some places. They have always been leftists marxist cunts.

The mistake of Franco was putting SEAT factory in Catalonia. Favoring Catalonia and giving an enormous advantage and economic boost in detrimental to other regions.
Economic conditions are not decisive for a claim to independence. South of Sweden is richer then the north. North of Italy than the south. The nearer from the franco-german axis the more prosperous a nation becomes.

Catalonia historical borders are not limited to Spain. They´re borders extend to France. Rosellon is french catalunya. Actually this region stopped being spanish after the first catalan leader declared independence in 1640. Pau Claris. France supported Catalonia independence. After 6 days of becoming independent France "invaded" it. Draining Catalonia economy with war efforts. Catalonians came running back to Spain. But the cost was Spain losing Rosellon and Cerdenya.

The basque country also reaches France. ETA never bombed France because they made a secret pact. Etarras weren´t persecuted in France as long as no bombs were dropped in french soil. ETA extorted money from locals in exchange for paid protection. Just like a mob.

Catalonia has the most corrupt officials in all of Spain. It´s a statistical fact. At the head of corrupt cataclowns ex-president Pujol. Google him. In 2018 the banking secret of Andorra will be lifted. Andorra is the where the Cataclowns stash their dirty cash. Will see how it goes.

Rajoy should totally desinfect the liberal/marxist/islamic shithole Catalonia has turned itself into. Hopefully there´s still time.

Nothing to see here, Catalonia has now a fair number of Muslim population so the Wahabis from Saudi and the Emirates started to support and finance chaos and uprising against the central government. Much like in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya or Syria, it is just a countdown until when they will start to pour in their international Jihadis. The Caliphate wishes to recover Al-Andalus, and Catalonia is the invasion point. I would say let them go and seal the borders. Soon they will come crawling back and beg for forgiveness.

Quote: (10-02-2017 04:04 PM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Spain have two choices.
1)Accept the right of peoples to self determination - as espoused in international conventions.

2)Refuse to do so, and become rightly ostracised by much of the international community.

Spain shows blatant hypocrisy. It happily supports places like Kosovo (despite its claims) and the Ukraine - who have shitty claims for independence. Yet violently attacks Catalans who have very good, infact overwhelming claims for independence.

Spain ie Madrid happily killed itself as a real country when it joined the EU (couldn't resist the handouts from other countries!). So its a bit late for them to stamp their feet now. Nor would it have any right to in any event.

I like your stance however, Spain did not recognize independant Kosovo and is one of the only few europeans who didn't because of the situation with Catalunya.

Catalunya will separate because the Madrid government is extremely corrupt and the country is backward. Catalunya has no future with Spain and their people, have the right to self-determination, as they have their own language, a unique history, their own traditions, their own culture and so on...Franco also tried to centralize the Spanish state by forcing the elimination of the Catalan language.
The fact that Madrid had to use force and injure 700 people,who had the right to at least debate their future and express themselves, is very bad on the international scene and they shot themselves in the foot. Now the Catalunyans have the argument that their people are getting brutalized.

It is true that a lot of European countries might not recognize them (France who wants a strong grip on its regions, Belgium with the Flanders wanting to be independant, and perhaps Italy)...but these countries have allowed Kosovo to be an indpendant state without a referendum while it is clearly a Serbian historical site and they closed their eyes on the Serbs that were brutalized. What it shows is, it was in their interest to see Yugoslavia fall so they recognized Kosovo's independance based on the same arguments that Catalunyans are using for independance.

Yeah, the Catalunyan government is corrupt also but at least Catalunyans have the option of a fresh start in the direction they want instead of staying in the sinking ship that is Spain.

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

If I didn't know better I may just think I accidentally ended up at the Huffpost or the Guardian. So Spain in your eyes is now a fascist state for protecting its sovereign territory from a bunch of Marxist extremists attempting to split their nation? Seriously? Would you be so gung-ho about ANY of your regions deciding to split off based on some half-ass historical justification? Every single nation on this earth has shifted borders and acquired as well as lost territory in the past. So let's just keep atomizing until there's nothing left and the globalists can swoop in and gobble up entire continents.

The cognitive dissonance I'm seeing here as well as on other boards is truly staggering. You are basing your perspectives on a handful of shill pieces in the MSM and are accepting Soros sponsored propaganda at face value. Did we suddenly run out of red pills or what exactly happened to this forum? Supporting feminist Marxist separation movements which are in some part illegally financed by Iran and other Islamic nations is not in our interest!

Quote: (10-03-2017 08:49 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Quote: (10-02-2017 04:04 PM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Spain have two choices.
1)Accept the right of peoples to self determination - as espoused in international conventions.

2)Refuse to do so, and become rightly ostracised by much of the international community.

Spain shows blatant hypocrisy. It happily supports places like Kosovo (despite its claims) and the Ukraine - who have shitty claims for independence. Yet violently attacks Catalans who have very good, infact overwhelming claims for independence.

Spain ie Madrid happily killed itself as a real country when it joined the EU (couldn't resist the handouts from other countries!). So its a bit late for them to stamp their feet now. Nor would it have any right to in any event.

I like your stance however, Spain did not recognize independant Kosovo and is one of the only few europeans who didn't because of the situation with Catalunya.

Catalunya will separate because the Madrid government is extremely corrupt and the country is backward. Catalunya has no future with Spain and their people, have the right to self-determination, as they have their own language, a unique history, their own traditions, their own culture and so on...Franco also tried to centralize the Spanish state by forcing the elimination of the Catalan language.
The fact that Madrid had to use force and injure 700 people,who had the right to at least debate their future and express themselves, is very bad on the international scene and they shot themselves in the foot. Now the Catalunyans have the argument that their people are getting brutalized.

It is true that a lot of European countries might not recognize them (France who wants a strong grip on its regions, Belgium with the Flanders wanting to be independant, and perhaps Italy)...but these countries have allowed Kosovo to be an indpendant state without a referendum while it is clearly a Serbian historical site and they closed their eyes on the Serbs that were brutalized. What it shows is, it was in their interest to see Yugoslavia fall so they recognized Kosovo's independance based on the same arguments that Catalunyans are using for independance.

Yeah, the Catalunyan government is corrupt also but at least Catalunyans have the option of a fresh start in the direction they want instead of staying in the sinking ship that is Spain.

Sintesys will be the creation of a federal monarchy. Instead of autonomous regions Spain would have federal states.
Where power of the state will be weakened not in favor of the people but private corporations.

"...The Spanish model of territorial administration, known as the “State of autonomies”, is a system which shares some elements with federalism: the autonomous communities have parliaments with legislative powers as well as their own governments and they possess a series of competencies particularly with regard to social policy, such as in the areas of health, education, culture, environment and certain transportation infrastructures.

But it is not a fully federal model for the following reasons: the Statutes of the communities (constitutions) have to be approved by the General Courts (Congress and Senate) before being subjected to a referendum in the corresponding communities; the communities are not fully guaranteed their own competency frameworks as the State government has the capacity to impose its policies despite the fact that they might be in the sphere of the competencies of the communities; the finance system is controlled by the central State, with little shared fiscal responsibility with the communities; mechanisms for cooperation between the communities are practically non-existent and those between the communities and the State are very weak; the second legislative chamber, the Senate, does not directly represent the communities..."

https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/does...-in-spain/

Spain will also be a lab for what´s to be of Europe and world.

Barcelona vice-president who was the right hand of Puyol resigned:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/...sed-doors/

Rothschild bank sacks him from the vice presidency of the bank:

https://www.elconfidencial.com/empresas/...a_1453987/

It´s neither Spain or a imaginary Catalan nationalism which will win from this mess. But the global project.

Kosovo was recognized because it´s muslim.

Quote: (10-04-2017 05:28 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

If I didn't know better I may just think I accidentally ended up at the Huffpost or the Guardian. So Spain in your eyes is now a fascist state for protecting its sovereign territory from a bunch of Marxist extremists attempting to split their nation? Seriously? Would you be so gung-ho about ANY of your regions deciding to split off based on some half-ass historical justification? Every single nation on this earth has shifted borders and acquired as well as lost territory in the past. So let's just keep atomizing until there's nothing left and the globalists can swoop in and gobble up entire continents.

The cognitive dissonance I'm seeing here as well as on other boards is truly staggering. You are basing your perspectives on a handful of shill pieces in the MSM and are accepting Soros sponsored propaganda at face value. Did we suddenly run out of red pills or what exactly happened to this forum? Supporting feminist Marxist separation movements which are in some part illegally financed by Iran and other Islamic nations is not in our interest!

I'm from Quebec and if we didn't fight for independance or better recognition of our culture we would still be educated by the church and work in farms while the english would have all the political power and occupy position in law and business that only got opened probably 40 50 years ago to us. Nowadays things are much better so there is no need for separation and we work well with Canada...but back in my grandparents days things were rough and there was legit assimilation concerns ( see Manitoba or an older example, the deportation of acadians)

It's a way more complicated issue than calling a whole statev a bunch of Marxists. Heck even in Quebec (the city of Quebec and rural areas specifically) people are traditionally more conservative.

So yeah in my opinion...damm right Catalunya shall leave if they feel they have a better future elsewhere and Spain is not doing anything to resolve this in peace.

Troller is on to something that is overlooked on this forum. In order to create less enthusiasm for separatism in affected regions, SEAT and other companies/industries were placed in those regions. Did Franco do that? Anyone knows the history of this?

This is one of the explanations why those regions are richer now than other regions. And as such can never be a valid reason for those regions to separate. First they receive economy/industries to suppress separatist tendencies and now they want to separate because of the economic advamtages those industries bring! In other words, the economic vitalism does not exist because of the Catalans themselves but as a response on older separatist tendencies.

Maybe there is somebody who knows more about this.

"Refugiados si. Espanoles no" (Refugees yes. Spanish no):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxq9RQcE...e=youtu.be

Quote: (10-05-2017 12:31 PM)Troller Wrote:  

"Refugiados si. Espanoles no" (Refugees yes. Spanish no):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxq9RQcE...e=youtu.be

So, in large part, you've got ultra-left and their pet minorities agitating for revolution in Spain. A prelude for many major cities across the West.

Notice, the EU opposes; the EU is globalism, therefore what we see here is partly a foreshadowing of Zel's prediction of globalists squashing any type of Islamic uprising.

Quote: (10-04-2017 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

Leonard I'm against it for the same reason, globalists/EU want to break up great nation-states like Spain, Redpillage and Troller are absolutely right.

Quote: (10-05-2017 07:53 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-04-2017 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

Leonard I'm against it for the same reason, globalists/EU want to break up great nation-states like Spain, Redpillage and Troller are absolutely right.

Since when Spain us a great nation state?

Quote: (10-04-2017 11:51 AM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Quote: (10-04-2017 05:28 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

If I didn't know better I may just think I accidentally ended up at the Huffpost or the Guardian. So Spain in your eyes is now a fascist state for protecting its sovereign territory from a bunch of Marxist extremists attempting to split their nation? Seriously? Would you be so gung-ho about ANY of your regions deciding to split off based on some half-ass historical justification? Every single nation on this earth has shifted borders and acquired as well as lost territory in the past. So let's just keep atomizing until there's nothing left and the globalists can swoop in and gobble up entire continents.

The cognitive dissonance I'm seeing here as well as on other boards is truly staggering. You are basing your perspectives on a handful of shill pieces in the MSM and are accepting Soros sponsored propaganda at face value. Did we suddenly run out of red pills or what exactly happened to this forum? Supporting feminist Marxist separation movements which are in some part illegally financed by Iran and other Islamic nations is not in our interest!

I'm from Quebec and if we didn't fight for independance or better recognition of our culture we would still be educated by the church and work in farms while the english would have all the political power and occupy position in law and business that only got opened probably 40 50 years ago to us. Nowadays things are much better so there is no need for separation and we work well with Canada...but back in my grandparents days things were rough and there was legit assimilation concerns ( see Manitoba or an older example, the deportation of acadians)

It's a way more complicated issue than calling a whole statev a bunch of Marxists. Heck even in Quebec (the city of Quebec and rural areas specifically) people are traditionally more conservative.

So yeah in my opinion...damm right Catalunya shall leave if they feel they have a better future elsewhere and Spain is not doing anything to resolve this in peace.

You say that like it's a bad thing. I'm really envious for the kind of education our parents (or grandparents for you millenials) received. I;m old enough to have experienced the tail end of this, having attended a Jesuit elementary school. Things have gotten so much worse, but they've gotten worse gradually enough so that most people internalize the degeneracy around them and view it as normal, while always buying into the mantra that things used to be really bad before.

I agree it's more complicated, but that's also true in the case of Quebec...

Quote: (10-05-2017 08:03 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2017 07:53 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-04-2017 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

Leonard I'm against it for the same reason, globalists/EU want to break up great nation-states like Spain, Redpillage and Troller are absolutely right.

Since when Spain us a great nation state?

What language do they speak from east LA to Tierra del Fuego. Spain is one of the pillars of western civilization.

Quote: (10-05-2017 08:07 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2017 08:03 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2017 07:53 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-04-2017 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

Leonard I'm against it for the same reason, globalists/EU want to break up great nation-states like Spain, Redpillage and Troller are absolutely right.

Since when Spain us a great nation state?

What language do they speak from east LA to Tierra del Fuego. Spain is one of the pillars of western civilization.

I'd go further that and say Spain was the great pioneer for European derived civilization to flourish from Alaska to Tierra del fuelgo.

And Spain was the nation that produced one of the greatest heroes of Christendom against muslim barbarism in Europe, Pelagius of Asturias in the Battle of Covadonga that kicked off the reconquista against the Umayyad Caliphate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Covadonga

The contempt that these separatist marxists have for the rest of Spain and their desire to import muslim hordes into Iberia after their own ancestors fought for hundreds of years to liberate themselves from islam is nothing short of disgraceful.

Quote: (10-05-2017 08:07 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2017 08:03 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

Quote: (10-05-2017 07:53 PM)911 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-04-2017 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

From the sound of things, the Catalans will flee the sinking ship and then drill twice as many holes in their life raft. Meanwhile Spain will suddenly become a lot more conservative per capita.

But whatever. If it puts a great big fly in the ointment of the EU then I'm all for it.

Let it all burn.

Leonard I'm against it for the same reason, globalists/EU want to break up great nation-states like Spain, Redpillage and Troller are absolutely right.

Since when Spain us a great nation state?

What language do they speak from east LA to Tierra del Fuego. Spain is one of the pillars of western civilization.

Spain at its peak was partly ruled by Habsburg and had mostly extractive institutions and feared creative destruction, therefore, industrial revolution never reached Spain. It was a great nation (probably the strongest in the world with the Ottomans) with discovery of the America but it all went downhill wenth the Spanish Armada was defeated by the british fleet.

Following that event Great Britain had more power over the Americas and Spain wasn't a great nationstate anymore..especially because with its extractive institutions there was no incentive to have an Industrial revolution there.

There's a reason why Latin America countries are much poorer than North America today. ANd none of these countries belong to Spain.