Quote: (09-02-2017 09:36 AM)Palo_alto Wrote:  

I am glad I put the UBER on cash only mode LOL.

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“New York is its own ball game — there is an ‘impress’ factor that guys think they have to live up to,” Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.”

Lol, and guys on this forum recommend New York as a good city for game...Anyway this is not a new phenomenon. I remember reading an article talking about the exact same thing about 5-6 years ago.

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“New York is its own ball game — there is an ‘impress’ factor that guys think they have to live up to,” Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.”

For any singles worried about being used for a meal ticket, Balsinger says to suggest a low-cost date such as hanging out in Central Park — and observing how matches react.

“If [your match] says no to a simple activity, that’s a red flag,” she says. “Some of my best dates have involved a bottle of wine from Duane Reade.”

The bitch is right.

It's the curse of men without Game who try to get an in.

I recently talked with a girl (stripper) who was paid 5000$ by a guy just to go to dinner with her. He also spent another 5000$ on gifts for her. While you cannot really trust her words, I somehow doubt that he fucked her. She fucks mainly muscular guys or at least men with massive Game who pass all her shit-tests.

The truth of the matter is that most men without Red Pill and Game are just blind soldiers trying to hit some target. Men with Game can turn a dinner date into an erotic thing, but likely the women would register badly anyway pre-date.

Also the more attractive you are to her, the more likely you are seen as an actual man to her instead of a walking wallet.

Doing expensive dinner on a first date is a game mistake typically commited by newbies. Hence the proliferation of "foodie calls" in Manhattan just goes to show that there are loads of guys with no game working in fields like investment banking.

Quote: (09-01-2017 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Why would you ever take a first date out to dinner? That makes no sense.

No kidding - in this day and age, who the hell does this on a first date?!


Drinks for the first date - dinners come after you are already having sex with her.

Quote: (09-01-2017 02:19 PM)456 Wrote:  

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Nevertheless, Balsinger, on firmer financial footing as a matchmaker at dating service Tawkify, says she now prefers lower-key dates — and genuinely offers to pay her share of the bill.

In Paul Graham parlance that's called a Submarine.

AKA -- now we know which matchmaking dating service employs a PR firm to spin crap like this to get them mentioned.

"So we're going to do a story about foodie calls -- get those millennial clicks, hate-readers and all, and then at about 80% through the article, we'll name drop you."

"K" :igns check::

Nice catch. Submarine - I like that. The level of collusion in stories like this is probably even worse than jaded cynical readers of modern media like us realize. Just imagine what's going on over in the political pieces.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:41 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

I'm going to flip the script and say that a lot of the hate for taking a girl out for dinner on this forum is irrational and most of the various reasons people have to not do it are not really sincere and just a guise for "I'm broke but don't want to admit it".

It's not a foolproof plan but it's certainly not the sin of seduction that people here like to imagine.

Some advantages of dinner dates over other types of dates...

- You're going to eat anyway, right? Why not have some great food prepared for you with some good company.
- It feels like a "proper date" to the girl. She feels like she's been treated like a lady so won't feel like a slut going back to your place afterwards.
- The right amount of distractions. For the most part, it will just but you and her so plenty of opportunity to talk and get to know each other. However, gaps in the conversation and lulls are absolutely fine because you'll need some time to actually eat, look at the menu etc. Something like a coffee date can become too boring and the vibe will die if you're not careful but those lulls that would be fatal in a coffee date do not matter in a dinner date. Also you will get much more chance to get to know each other and flirt and become comfortable together than a date doing an activity or cinema.
- Comes to a natural close at about the right time that leaves you both wanting more. After you finish your meal, you will get the bill and then go. There's not really any excuse for hanging around any longer. If you got on well then you won't want to leave each other yet but will feel quite comfortable together so where can you go? Back to your place of course! Compare this to a drinks date which can go on forever by having a drink after drink (each of which doesn't really have a time limit like a meal) and before you know it, she's too tired or drunk and distracted or needs to be up early in the morning for work.

I really don't see any "advantages" in the excuse list above, only best case scenarios bordering on delusional rationalizations from a bad initial choice.

There is no reason to put yourself into this position in the first place if all you want to do is get laid and not blow money on a gold digger who's going to meet up with Chad Thundercock the second after your sorry ass pays the check. Her mind is already made up before you even get to the appetizer anyway, so dispense with the idea that this new girl is going to suddenly find you so exciting since wow, the time just flowed right. You've been on this forum long enough to know better.

That's why I take all my classy babes to Taco Bell. Can't beat the value!

I am with The-Dream on this one, I don't have a paranoid, pikey hatred of a dinner date.

I like eating out, maybe I am old school.

I am not stupid enough to be used by bitches for free food, I select my invitations carefully.

Another trick is to have a drink, then if things are working out well, invite her on a venue bounce to get food.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:49 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

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“New York is its own ball game — there is an ‘impress’ factor that guys think they have to live up to,” Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.”

Lol, and guys on this forum recommend New York as a good city for game...Anyway this is not a new phenomenon. I remember reading an article talking about the exact same thing about 5-6 years ago.

New York has many options according to one's own style and taste. You have lizards everywhere who do that. The better a city is for game, the better a man has to be to wean out those time wasters. #TeamNoAppetisers

Biggest reasons why I can't do dinner dates is because of the whole interview feel of it, I'm pretty bad at escalating when we're sitting across from each other.

If you frequently date or take women out, then the price does add up - so I don't know why that one fellow has to mention something about being broke. Going to restaurants frequently is still money that can be spent else where, especially if you're one of the poor saps who are tricked into paying for women's meals.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:49 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

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“New York is its own ball game — there is an ‘impress’ factor that guys think they have to live up to,” Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.”

Lol, and guys on this forum recommend New York as a good city for game...Anyway this is not a new phenomenon. I remember reading an article talking about the exact same thing about 5-6 years ago.

Why isn't it? Because some betas pay for women's meals? That happens everywhere.


Men pay for women's shit, this article isn't saying anything men didn't know. Thankfully, I've never had to run into a foodie person, but I do have female friends who do this kinda crap and it's pathetic.

Quote: (09-02-2017 04:36 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

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- Comes to a natural close at about the right time that leaves you both wanting more. After you finish your meal, you will get the bill and then go. There's not really any excuse for hanging around any longer. If you got on well then you won't want to leave each other yet but will feel quite comfortable together so where can you go? Back to your place of course! Compare this to a drinks date which can go on forever by having a drink after drink (each of which doesn't really have a time limit like a meal) and before you know it, she's too tired or drunk and distracted or needs to be up early in the morning for work.

For the bolded part...no way man! If you're drinking heavily with a chick on the first date I say that alone is a good sign and gives you a much greater chance at pussy...which is the goal, right?

Watch out before having sex with a drunk, especially one you have just met. It is illegal and there is a risk she can prove she was drunk; for that she just has to remember which bar it was, and it is possible she will find a witness.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:41 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

I'm going to flip the script and say that a lot of the hate for taking a girl out for dinner on this forum is irrational and most of the various reasons people have to not do it are not really sincere and just a guise for "I'm broke but don't want to admit it".

Friend, we've already done that thread. I doubt you'll find any new insights to be gleaned from the topic.

All this debating and somehow no one pointed out that this was likely just a fake story to inspire rage on sites like these and get clicks over to the NYPost?

Look at the girl's LinkedIn. She's a dating matchmaker.

Having worked in journalism, I know how these things work.

Isn't "foodie" a code word for "fat chick"?

Quote: (09-01-2017 11:36 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

“If [your match] says no to a simple activity, that’s a red flag,” she says. “Some of my best dates have involved a bottle of wine from Duane Reade.”

Go to trader joes at least and get a bottle of charles shaw.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:49 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

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“New York is its own ball game — there is an ‘impress’ factor that guys think they have to live up to,” Balsinger says. “They want to talk to a pretty girl. Girls are offering their time and conversation.”

Lol, and guys on this forum recommend New York as a good city for game...Anyway this is not a new phenomenon. I remember reading an article talking about the exact same thing about 5-6 years ago.

This is hilarious. Talk to pretty girls as much as you want. Just don't spend money on them. What the hell.

Quote: (09-02-2017 06:35 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

That's why I take all my classy babes to Taco Bell. Can't beat the value!

Mcdonalds for the models

I don't suggest doing dinner dates but it is possible to make them work.

I went out for Dinner with this chick recently, then cocktails at another bar..... finished it off at my friends nightclub with some free booze and then back to my place to smash.

First date mind you and I got her from a nightclub. (Which you guys continually say is impossible to close from these days)

Things aren't written in stone.

I think the straight to drinks method is most efficient way of going about this but dinner isn't THE WORST as long as you keep it cheap and game hard while there.

Quote: (09-04-2017 11:36 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

.... finished it off at my friends nightclub with some free booze and then back to my place to smash.

AH... I sense a level of pre-selection going on here - no wonder it was easier to get the smash. Most guys going on first (dinner) dates don't have buddies who own/run night clubs - do not underestimate the effect this had on getting the 'gina juices a-flowing.

Quote: (09-04-2017 08:40 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  

Isn't "foodie" a code word for "fat chick"?

Pretty much. Reserved for females only of course, so the shame of being a hamplanet doesn't make them OD on their Anti-Depressants.

"Oh, you really like eating at McDonalds everyday, don't you?"

"It's ok. I am a foodie. I enjoy food."

Females will spin the term into meaning they just love food. Well, WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T LOVE FOOD? Every human being who has ever lived 'loves' food. It's kind of necessary for life.

Foodie is just a female who overindulges on food. If you ever meet any males that use that term to describe themselves, punch them in the mouth for being a faggot.

I can tell you with absolute impunity that in my 20+ years of banging bishes, I have NEVER, not once, EVER banged [the same night] a bish I took out to dinner on first date. It just doesn't work that way, trust me. Unfortunately, it just puts you in a different category within her compartmentalized mind.

Dime just stated what happens in real life that you can actually learn from the silly internet just by READING. Heed his words there. Think about it. It's so obviously true. Let me just give you one more reason why:

Any girl worth actually taking to some traditional thing like a dinner (early on) has already been screened, selected, and likely is a family friend or found through a trusted connection = your settings and circumstances are already normal/traditional. This isn't the girl that's gonna sleep with you on a first date anyway.

To not understood that modern, shitty women who you don't even know yet (nor their families) are gonna even have enough respect to give a flying fuck about you is to ... waste money on a dinner.

This forum is all about understanding that given little constraints in society, women become worse and worse versions of whatever they could have been otherwise. That means ripping off the "nice" guy and laughing about it when sucking thundercock later, after he told her to buy him the beer, because she'll enjoy being on her knees for a real man.

Quote: (09-04-2017 09:09 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

Quote: (09-01-2017 11:36 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  

“If [your match] says no to a simple activity, that’s a red flag,” she says. “Some of my best dates have involved a bottle of wine from Duane Reade.”

Go to trader joes at least and get a bottle of charles shaw.

I had a girl over once. One of those girls that lives in a old-money mansion (Highland Park in Dallas or Memorial/Villages in Houston) with mommy and daddy after her engagement went off the deep end. Daddy is a surgeon, mommy is a stay at home wife. She drives an E-Class despite barely starting off a real estate career, and has an ex(P)tensive shoe/bag collection.

She only drinks certain wines that do not contain sulfites or aren't cheap because they give her headaches. She agrees to come over to my place to meet days before our first date for a quick meet and greet.

Good thing I went to Trader Joes a couple of hours before, bought some two buck chuck. Two varieties, can't remember which. Took off the label off one bottle with some warm water. I transferred the contents of one bottle to an empty $80 bottle and closed it up with a stopper.

Girl comes over, I pour her a glass...she marvels at my "fine" taste in wine, only after she saw the label and mentioned it drinking at some place the offers it for $25 a glass. She asks about the unlabeled bottle, I mentioned an expensive brand. My friends and I did a blind taste experiment to see if they could match the bottles. She drinks from that bottle too, and compliments it's good taste. She tries to guess the brand, forgetting that I just mentioned it to her.

Bitch never complained nor knew she drank $2 wine.

Edit: Damn, Darwin Buck got banned. Pour one out for that homie .

^Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

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I do the same with Vodka. Costco Vodka goes into the Grey Goose bottle

Yessir! But I put $10/liter grocery store vodka in the Grey Goose bottles. Keep that shit in the freezer and they can never tell the difference.