Quote: (09-02-2017 07:43 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

I love Danielle and knew she would be big from the moment I saw her. She is a great female creature, very intelligent and creative, exceptionally articulate, wild and uncontrollable but also canny and ultimately not really self-destructive. She speaks a hilarious and almost self-invented rap language with incredible conviction and commitment -- she talks at virtually all times the way she raps in this video. Her energies and volume are such that being around her for a very extended period of time would be a little trying, but I feel she would make a better Denny's dinner companion than the vast majority of human beings, female and male alike.

Those commenting on the state of the culture should realize that there has always existed a lower class culture -- in America and elsewhere -- which was wild, bawdy, rude, and free in many ways from the pieties of the well-controlled educated classes. What has changed is that with the advent of things like Youtube, as well as the increase in general intelligence and expressiveness of the lower classes, this culture has found a voice and a propulsive energy that it had lacked before.

The main difference between young Danielle and some untrammeled trailer cutie of decades ago is that Danielle has about 30 extra IQ points on her side and is exposed at all times to a bewildering variety of linguistic and textual content which her brain is able to process and integrate and use in its creations; and the great riches of the American life which the lower classes are as privileged as any of us to participate in have given her the ability to have these creations recorded and transmitted to a lower class audience of endless millions who feast on what life has to offer without the discriminations and timidities under whose yoke the educated classes feel obliged to labor.

Those lamenting this state of affairs should further realize that this lower class culture which they see as nothing but trash represents the great health and energy of America, indeed the very energy that has saved us. Donald Trump was born from the lower class energies of the '80s and '90s, the beautiful greasy pages of the New York Post and its Page Six tales of sex and scandal; and he feasted and grew on the expansion of these energies in the '00s, the explosion of reality TV that brought the glorious vulgarities of the Apprentice to tens of millions of American living rooms.

Indeed, many a hater of T on the Year Zero left has noted -- correctly enough -- that there is no Trump victory without the Kardashians, or WWE wrestling, or all these other supposed burlesques of American life, up to and including sweet young Danielle; but no educated Trump supporter -- the few that exist -- has ever dared to revel in the depths of this connection, or realized that in his victory the wildness and freedom of the lower class culture has thrown off the increasingly tiresome burden of educated class sanctimony and, in doing so, has freed America to be itself -- and to be great -- again.

Yet this is exactly what happened. Trump was elected by the votes of lower class America, all across our beautiful vast methlands and every single opiate-infested hamlet. The culture of our pious and timid educated classes and that of the proles have diverged so much that they now belong to almost different species; and as the educated classes subsist on the thin gruel of irony, understatement, and every kind of timidity, the lower classes have given themselves over to the great possibilities of pleasure and abandon that the world now has to offer. They have no fear of exaggeration, they are in love with every intensity and all things BIG, they consume giant bags of Doritos, a pornography of big asses, big tits, and big cocks, and new drugs of almost laughable destructive strength.

They have paid a price for this abandon and it is easy to see the price; but what is harder to see is the great health it ultimately represents, a hunger for life and a forward propulsion that has dared to elect the "vulgar showman" who has reinvigorated the only country that matters at the very moment when its spirit was about to flag. When you watch young Danielle prancing before the cameras and speaking her inspired and barely comprehensible rap patois, you are watching an emanation of that very American health; and you should look at that beautiful muggy Southern California sky and realize all that it means.

I'm not sure if TLOZ post is deep or a long intellectual way to skirt around a more primal message, which would be ironic considering the content of the post, but either way works.

Quote: (09-02-2017 03:30 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

Am I the only one that's noticed Roosh has been subtly trolling us all week?

This is his second jail bait thread. Add that to the Michelle Obama penis thread and this rather deceptively worded title and you have a tour de force of at least 8 different types of trolling in as many days.

Quote: (09-02-2017 04:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

I hang around a number of under 25 year old females because they are good to have sex with.

Recently, one of them said something deep. "If you really listen to the lyrics, you can understand the struggles the migos have faced in their lifetimes."

She said the same of Lil Yatchy and Lil Uzi. Deep stuff.

Aloha!

I'm seeing a Hawaiian girl right now that says the same thing. Always talking about how rap expresses how hard some people have it.

I know rap like that exists but it seems like all that anyone listens to is the shit glorifying new money and thot behavior. I've never heard this girl once play anything remotely deep or meaningful as far as rap is concerned. At least she's got a great ass.

"These hoes be fake ballin'
Tax money that she won't last (bye)
These hoes be dick riding, think they gone come up cause they let you fuck (you a hoe)"

I will never understand how videos like this get millions of views and thousands of likes.

Quote: (09-02-2017 09:45 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Quote: (09-02-2017 04:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

I hang around a number of under 25 year old females because they are good to have sex with.

Recently, one of them said something deep. "If you really listen to the lyrics, you can understand the struggles the migos have faced in their lifetimes."

She said the same of Lil Yatchy and Lil Uzi. Deep stuff.

Aloha!

I'm seeing a Hawaiian girl right now that says the same thing. Always talking about how rap expresses how hard some people have it.

I know rap like that exists but it seems like all that anyone listens to is the shit glorifying new money and thot behavior. I've never heard this girl once play anything remotely deep or meaningful as far as rap is concerned. At least she's got a great ass.

Born and raised? Where? What's her opinion on the Thirty Meter Telescope?

They play "I got broads in Atlanta" while they are fighting desecration of sacred lands. Ask her when you guys are at l&l. Based on the answers to those simple questions I'll be able to tell you what type of person you are dealing with.

Aloha!

Allow me to continue the race trolling by asking : why are American kids so enamored by rap and hip hop? It's all I hear blasting out of cars these days. Even in my condo complex, which is mostly white, I often hear rap playing at my neighbors . I know I sound like an old curmudgeon

Quote: (09-02-2017 02:56 PM)Thrill Jackson Wrote:  

Came here to trash to track but by todays rap standards where mothafuckas are not even speaking english....

Its a decent track.

Some are debating that it should be termed as mumble rap (a valid debate, in my humble opinion). I knew it was going to go in this direction, there are so many people that are now interested in the sound of the music than the lyrics so with that being said..why waste time with actual words? Just make sounds that sound sort of like English and let the crowd rock!

I listened to Desiigner (shout out to the Bajan massive) but he just sounded like he took a triple expresso on top of a double black coffee (no cream, no sugar) and just went HAM on the track ahahahahaha.

Panda:

^ Actually Moma, you would be surprised at how many people actually can understand what is being said in music. I live in a area where a lot of people talk like this. just culture.

Quote: (09-02-2017 10:32 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Allow me to continue the race trolling by asking : why are American kids so enamored by rap and hip hop? It's all I hear blasting out of cars these days. Even in my condo complex, which is mostly white, I often hear rap playing at my neighbors . I know I sound like an old curmudgeon

Because rock has been replaced as the main 'white' music genre. Compare this to the 70s, 80s, 90s...and even early/mid 2000s. Rock is largely white music, and white influence on the culture have been in sharp decline.


Once rock became 'asexual' and 'ironic' it lost it's appeal.

That's why these white hos love hip hop, it's alpha enough to be taken seriously in a sexual way where rock is not, these days.

Quote: (09-02-2017 07:43 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Those lamenting this state of affairs should further realize that this lower class culture which they see as nothing but trash represents the great health and energy of America, indeed the very energy that has saved us.

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Yet this is exactly what happened. Trump was elected by the votes of lower class America, all across our beautiful vast methlands and every single opiate-infested hamlet.

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When you watch young Danielle prancing before the cameras and speaking her inspired and barely comprehensible rap patois, you are watching an emanation of that very American health; and you should look at that beautiful muggy Southern California sky and realize all that it means.

This is absolutely, provably false in almost every way.

1. Trump performed better than Romney with voters in the $50,000 to $100,000 income range, and the median income of his primary supporters was $72,000, which is higher than the national average; Trump's biggest block of supporters are educated and middle class

2. The demographics which listen to mainstream rap tend to be the most anti-Trump, particularly blacks and Hispanics; and rappers have made "Fuck Trump" music videos, mock assassinated him in videos, and threatened to sell Melania into sex slavery

How many of the people in "These Heauxs" do you think are actually Trump supporters? I'm guessing it's somewhere close to 0, and that at least a handful of them would become violent if you showed up on set in a MAGA hat.

3. Southern California is overhwhelmingly blue

And your claim that the lower classes of America always displayed such degeneracy is, like the rest of your post, simply untrue.

I'm actually a fan of the older and/or less mainstream rap music, but to compare this dumb chick or Lil Yachty to Miles Davis, Marvin Gaye, Jimi Hendrix, or Big Daddy Kane is laughable. Hell, even the black gangsters of 50 years ago had a sense of class.



And it's not like the '70s were the high point of American culture either.

Quote: (09-03-2017 01:04 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Some are debating that it should be termed as mumble rap (a valid debate, in my humble opinion). I knew it was going to go in this direction, there are so many people that are now interested in the sound of the music than the lyrics so with that being said..why waste time with actual words? Just make sounds that sound sort of like English and let the crowd rock!

Note that whilst I'm the fussiest Lyricist imaginable, that's simply my personal style. After doing this for years, I think, 90% of the time, people just pick out the phrases of a song that seem relevant to them and discard the rest.

As such, I think that what these guys are doing is also a perfectly-valid approach by removing language entirely and relying entirely on emotional pull of the sounds.

Before anyone gets 'racial' over this, the Cocteau Twins or early R.E.M. were doing much the same thing back in the 80's. I've been singing "Up to par and Katie bar the kitchen signs but not me in" for 35 years. Never worried me.

I remember reading an interview with Lux Interior of The Cramps back in my punk days where he said what he loved about Rockabilly Music was the vocalists would be so into the girls they're singing about that they'd howl and scream and groan and grunt, and compared to things like the Carpenters or Pussycat, shit was wild and alive.

The Upper Class children who are now the rock musicians are too ironically-detached to let themselves get this wild:






As for Rap: it was exciting in the early-to-mid 80's, but I always thought the sign of a genre being artistically-dead was once the novelty records hit. So, by the end of the decade, there were singles by a rapping cartoon cat; a pair of hopping 10-year-olds; 'Do The Bartman' and that Ice Ice Baby thing in quick succession, and it was all very 'Disco Duck' and MECO doing the 'Close Encounters Theme', so I figured it was time to move on because the little kids had moved in.

Quote: (09-03-2017 04:45 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Hell, even the black gangsters of 50 years ago had a sense of class.

Ah, the black community has always had a good sense of humour about this sort of thing.


























People like fucking, and that will always infuse art. Hell, this was written around 1400, and is as filthy as any rap song.

Actually, Enigma, more than 70‰ of Trump’s voters don’t have a college degree. Many of those non-college-educated voters have high income. They are economic middle class but cultural lower-class, and that is the point. Education doesn’t always correlate with wealth.


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Btw, due to a certain (happy) influence, my default image of traditional America is probably a bit different . America in the 1800s to me will always be like this:
















Not exactly classy or sophisticated or wholesome, isn't it?

The bar brawls, the cowboys swearing and spitting, the tar and feather and rails bar, the gloriously racy cancan dancing, etc... even cartoonishly rendered, vividly represented the high energy culture of the wild west undereducated class back in the early days of America -- an essential part of the truest culture and tradition of your ancestors, of the primordial American soul. They are expressions of an energy which, although its particular expressions have varied in accordance with the particular historical stages that contextualize it, has in its source and inner essence remained more or less unaltered across American history (at least until recently). This energy, even in its most vulgar, brutish expressions, was the force that underlied America's greatness and propelled it forward. Does the same energy still underlie today's under-educated class culture, particularly in the works of this Danielle little gal? I'll let Americans judge that for themselves.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that sometimes, being animated by the same energy doesn't entail being favorably disposed towards one another. There are many factors that influence opinions and political affiliations and voting outside of underlying energy. Those factors include positions of interest, group think, peer influences, indoctrination, exposure to information and media influences, etc.


One thing I'll have to disagree with TLOZ is America being and remaining the only country that matters; since I witnessed the great Gold-rush energy that propelled America forward elsewhere in my sphere of civilization -- the cultural fertility and imagination of which, though quite different, lose not to that of western civilization. But that's for another time.

She can cash me when she 18

Quote: (09-03-2017 12:26 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

She can cash me innssssiiiidde when she 18

Fixed

What type of Becky is she?

Quote: (09-03-2017 12:15 PM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

Actually, Enigma, more than 70‰ of Trump’s voters don’t have a college degree. Many of those non-college-educated voters have high income. They are economic middle class but cultural lower-class, and that is the point. Education doesn’t always correlate with wealth.

Except that most modern universities are factories churning out useless degrees and brainwashing their students. Not having a degree may have been automatically "culturally lower class" 100 years ago, but it's not today.

Hell, check out Roosh's ROK post about all the women who shaved their heads and covered themselves in piercings and tattoos while in college.



Which one is more "culturally low class"?

Are self-made billionaires like Zuckerberg, Gates, etc. culturally low class because they didn't graduate college?

You're redefining the term middle class, which is an economic designation, to try to fit your argument.

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Not exactly classy or sophisticated or wholesome, isn't it?

The bar brawls, the cowboys swearing and spitting, the tar and feather and rails bar, the gloriously racy cancan dancing, etc... even cartoonishly rendered, vividly represented the high energy culture of the wild west undereducated class back in the early days of America -- an essential part of the truest culture and tradition of your ancestors, of the primordial American soul.

Why was it called the "wild west"? Because it was a lawless area outside of normal civilization.

Claiming that as a representation of normal American culture is nonsense. Are we just supposed to do away with laws because that's how Americans lived in the West two hundred years ago?

Not to mention the fact that the frontiersman had pretty much nothing in common politically with the average libfag in Southern California, which is what we're talking about here.

Of course America has always had a strong working class. That doesn't mean that every single person who is "working class" is the same, nor that the lower class people making shitty rap videos are Trump voters, which is, again, provably false. Not only are those people not Trump voters, they're likely violently hostile to Trump voters, as I already pointed out.

How exactly do they then represent the American spirit? And I haven't seen any arguments explaining why people who hate Trump voters are actually representative of Trump voters.

Are illegal immigrants from Mexico also the epitome of the American spirit simply because they're lower class? After all, there were plenty of Mexicans in the Old West, and there weren't immigration laws either.

This is the kind of shell game that's been fucking the country over politically for decades.

I like AB's take on this music. I was wondering what forum members with musical backgrounds thought of this music. But I still prefer rap of the late 80s, 90s, early 2000s.

You guys do realize that complaining about not being able to understand the lyrics was what your grandparents said when they first heard the Beatles and the Stones?

People are easy to troll.

Here's a notorious song from 1963, that was investigated by the FBI for 31 months for obscenity until it was eventually-decided that they couldn't understand a word of it:






Except they missed the clearly-audible 'Fuck!' as the drummer drops his sticks somewhere around the 0.50-0.54 mark. (It's similar to the obvious 'fookin' hell!' in the Beatles' 'Hey Jude').

I think we're losing sight of the issue here.

No one doubts that sexualized, bawdy lyrics in song and poetry have been part of music for centuries. Of course you can find it out there. It's not hard. It goes all the way back to Aristophanes, Rabelais, Chaucer, etc., etc.

But that's not the issue.

The difference between the smart phone, YouTube world of 2017 and the 1930s, 40s, 50s, etc. is a very big one. In the old days, you didn't have 14 year old girls mincing around, shaking their breasts and asses, "singing" about sex. And you sure as hell didn't have major corporations (YouTube) endorsing it by allowing it to be posted. You didn't have this shit piped directly into the hands of millions of kids via their "smart" (what a cruel joke that is) phones.

So that's the difference. The difference is one of degree, amplitude, and volume. No one is going to convince me that the overt sexualization of a 14-year old child is a good thing, or that it represents some "pinnacle" of cultural development. It does not.

Or, I should say it does, if your view of humanity is that Man is nothing more than a barnyard animal, fit for nothing more than eating, sleeping, shitting, and fucking. If that's your view of "culture," then good luck with that. We're on different planets and nothing I say is going to convince you of anything.

If you think Cheetos-eating, bottom-feeding scum and lowlifes are something to be celebrated, then I say you are thinking more with your loins than with your brain. You see this video, become sexually aroused (be honest), and then spin some convoluted rationalization as how this is "good" and "great." It isn't your mind speaking, but your loins. Be honest.

Fourteen year old girls do not do this. Any society that permits it and celebrates it is evil and deserves everything it gets. Those who peddle this shit should be sanctioned.

And why is no one asking why this video is not being demonitized on YouTube? Why? Why is it that when some random person makes a video attacking a SJW, YouTube rushes to censor it, but when something culturally harmful like this comes around, they do nothing? It's the corporate agenda. The agenda is to sexualize and commodify children, to debase them and turn them into monetary units, so they can profit from it. And the public interest be damned.

Take a good look. You're paying for this shit--every day.

I don't believe Man was created to be like the barnyard animals. Man was handed the gift of Reason from Nature. Man was meant for higher things, for great enterprises, and for supreme achievements. Because man was endowed by Nature with the gift of Reason, he has a responsibility to use that Reason to elevate himself and his people. This is true for both men and women. We should aspire to something higher than simple biology.

As Plato said in his letter to Archytas (Epistle 9), "Man was not born for himself alone, but for his country and his people; and these claims leave a small part of him left over for himself." Your body is not yours to do with it whatever you want. You have responsibilities to your fellow-man. You have responsibilities to your society.

Reason also carries with it the responsibility to act with dignity and responsibility. A human being is also expected to act with restraint and discipline. This is why we, as men, recoil instinctively from all things that are evil, false and deceptive, like cheating, injustice, and untruths. Reason likes to command; it is not in its nature to be commanded.

My point is that this video represents an offense against both society and Nature itself. You may think this is an overreaction, but I don't think so. We need to call out evil and depravity when we see it, not to celebrate it or condone it because it suits our sense of sexual titillation.

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^^^

Couldn't agree more. I thought this was a prime candidate for the 'normalisation of paedophilia' thread. Face it - how many of us were this (by appearances only) this street-or-sexually au fait? Very few I'd wager. Reduce the proles to nothing but horny chimps by pushing the right buttons in their brains, easy to control.