@Scank_hunt
Before answering I want to note, that in my opinion there is a general feel of negativity in your post. Also you are trying to compare different people results.
First off this is not competition, this is different men trying to enjoy their lives fullest choosing different routes to similar goals based on their characters and strong traits.
There are a lot of differences between me and DN, but there are even more similarities. The most important thing in common is that we are both not naturals and late bloomers. Both invested huge amount of time and effort in learning "how to" only chose different schools of game if I can put it this way. Since this is an acquired skill set it is flexible and can be easily transformed. I can see DN excelling in daygame if he will pursue it. I generally do well during nightgame as long as I go out and have few drinks. It is hard to do both efficiently at the same time, drinking at night make me tired during the day.
As long as you are able to cold approach and you have good social skills you can pull in any setting.
Yes by the use of alcohol you bypass comfort building phase. Yes by the use of alcohol you bypass your approach anxiety. Yes logistics matter and improve results. This applies both to day and nightgame.
Yes daygame is hard. You need to fight both your own demons (AA) and girls (building comfort and attraction) all on your own. No doping, no stimulation, no wingman most of the time.
The first sentence in this paragraph is wrong. You should stop comparing yourself to others and let goals of others become your goals. Do you live your life to enjoy or to impress others?
I can openly say I am not chasing a high notch count. Yes people use your notch count to value your success, but this will not affect my actions and it will not make me bang an ugly girl just to get a notch. Quality over quantity is my approach. 3 regulars in a month vs 15 one night stands is my approach. Is it right or wrong? Neither. Choose your own, create one if needed.
There is nothing wrong in understanding other's success and analyzing it, but it should not affect your decision making.
There are many advantages to daygame. I mentioned most of them in the Motivation part of my daygame datasheet which was largely ignored. Do you want to know why?
Daygame is hard. And this is why most people will never overcome their AA and exit their comfort zone.
Why is quality during daygame higher? Cause you get access to 100% of people while other methods only provide a certain level of society. But it is not full proof. Numerous times I daygamed girls who turned out to be Tinder users later.
You have already answered your question in regards to what keeps me going with my own quote.
I want to build a sustainable lifestyle. Stay fit, productive and healthy. I want to have a skill set not depending on any drug or alcohol intake. A skill set which will work now, 10 years and maybe even 20 years from now. I have learned that by observing and meeting older red pill guys. The older you get the more daygame remains the only feasible option.
Also I simply enjoy it more. I mentioned earlier that we each choose our way based on our characters. I enjoy walking around new city and exploring, and seeing any beautiful girl passing by as an opportunity.
My belief in unicorns dissipates with every new day, but if I will find something close it will be daygame or some form of social game.
My acceptance to slutiness grows. I start to see women more as a soft clay, which will form according to hands she is in. This is the only reason why you are looking for this virgin clay. But once you look away the clay might be touch by someone else and loose the form you gave it.
Daygame is free, daygame is healthy, daygame is the game and this is why I chose it.
I will still go out once in a while when I feel like it, but to have fun and not to simply get laid. Of course I will not loose opportunity if one presents itself.
Story update:
I came back to Riga.
I banged a Latvian model whom I daygamed in Helsinki airport a year ago. She gave me a lot of LMR and a couple of handjob - blowjob mixed sessions, but wound not yield any further. She closely followed me on Instagram, commented on my stories etc and suggested a meetup. Banged her yesterday. I don't think I could maintain a year long whats app conversation but IG slow cooking was a low maintenance endeavor.
The shoeshop girl came to visit me from Tallinn, it is a short ride. Enjoying her company and all debauchery aside she is a pretty sweet girl, fun in bed and beyond.
Before answering I want to note, that in my opinion there is a general feel of negativity in your post. Also you are trying to compare different people results.
First off this is not competition, this is different men trying to enjoy their lives fullest choosing different routes to similar goals based on their characters and strong traits.
Quote: (06-24-2017 10:40 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
I was surprised when you and DN linked up, because even before you said anything your styles appeared to be totally different. DN talks about downing 20 shots like it's nothing, and he does this shit all week, yet maintains fitness, alertness, productivity. Doesn't get hangovers when 1 single shot gives me a banging headache the next day, doesn't get jet lag when I get it pretty bad and can take me a week to adjust. DN is like a freak of nature. On the one hand, I am jealous of him. I know he wasn't always a natural but his characteristics are strikingly similar to naturals I knew in the night game scene when I was around 20. Standard triple digit notch count, genuine love of the night/party scene, fantastic target selection for the freakiest sluts, crazy stories about threesomes, foursomes swapping girls, sex in public places, and of course, getting both yourself and the girls absolutely shitfaced. I feel like 95% of the stories just wouldn't be possible without girls getting drunk, they just have too many inhibitions but deep down are horny as hell. I guess that's part of the reason why they get drunk in the first place, so their mind will allow them to have fun. Your sober/relatively sober dates from daygame (and mine) look extremely tame in comparison.
There are a lot of differences between me and DN, but there are even more similarities. The most important thing in common is that we are both not naturals and late bloomers. Both invested huge amount of time and effort in learning "how to" only chose different schools of game if I can put it this way. Since this is an acquired skill set it is flexible and can be easily transformed. I can see DN excelling in daygame if he will pursue it. I generally do well during nightgame as long as I go out and have few drinks. It is hard to do both efficiently at the same time, drinking at night make me tired during the day.
As long as you are able to cold approach and you have good social skills you can pull in any setting.
Quote: (06-24-2017 10:40 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
So much of the stuff we are usually taught is just bypassed. When I watched my natural friends and their quick pulls I thought "b-b-but what about Comfort? Doesn't a girl need that?" It soon became apparent that providing the right logistics (jacuzzi and sauna plus "[more!] drinks for afterparty") and following through just based on momentum and how horny girls get when they are drunk is enough. They know what they are doing, they just purposely shut down the part of their brain that makes them have inhibitions so they can enjoy themselves. Part of that is getting to know a guy properly, sufficient comfort before bang.
Yes by the use of alcohol you bypass comfort building phase. Yes by the use of alcohol you bypass your approach anxiety. Yes logistics matter and improve results. This applies both to day and nightgame.
Yes daygame is hard. You need to fight both your own demons (AA) and girls (building comfort and attraction) all on your own. No doping, no stimulation, no wingman most of the time.
Quote: (06-24-2017 10:40 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
Hearing these stories, sometimes I feel like the "slower" pace of day game and the fact that doing traditional date based day game alone doesn't lead immediately to as many bangs or as many insane stories makes me feel like I am doing the "wrong" thing in the way I do things. No matter how good you are, luck will always be a major factor. Especially, I feel, in daygame, where girls are not just in one place to party, they have other shit to do, either of you may be leaving town soon -- logistics of daygame are just much worse. DN by contrast can go out and get laid pretty much 1 in every 2 nights he goes out, that's a 50% hit rate. In daygame there are long streaks of bad lucks, flakes, shitty dates, near misses (your girl from St Pt., as an example).
The first sentence in this paragraph is wrong. You should stop comparing yourself to others and let goals of others become your goals. Do you live your life to enjoy or to impress others?
I can openly say I am not chasing a high notch count. Yes people use your notch count to value your success, but this will not affect my actions and it will not make me bang an ugly girl just to get a notch. Quality over quantity is my approach. 3 regulars in a month vs 15 one night stands is my approach. Is it right or wrong? Neither. Choose your own, create one if needed.
There is nothing wrong in understanding other's success and analyzing it, but it should not affect your decision making.
Quote: (06-24-2017 10:40 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
The "advantage" is the more pleasant environment (in our opinion) and the higher quality girls, some of whom may have LTR potential, or at least as a medium term part of mLTR.
GG on the flower girl. I thought it was cool you went to her graduation. When I'm in another country and meet a girl in the day like that, and she's cute and pleasant enough, I like to go to local things like that as well. Your point about the illusion of innocence with her dress and flowers etc. at graduation compared to her when she was partying is correct, we cannot always assume. Or rather, the assumptions are never, ever going to be perfect. In general, though, I've found quality in the day to be far higher in looks and especially in behavior and temperament, family values etc. I think your girl was ecstatic for sex and to do all that crazy shit maybe because it's relatively new to her. Girls with more experience tend to be more "masculine" in the way they do sex. I've had a couple non-virgin, relatively inexperienced girls who haven't had sex in a long time, and it might take a bit more time to loosen them up, but they have an almost childlike enjoyment of it, like you see a beaming smile on her face or her squealing with pleasure. And yes, some of them can go crazy after a few drinks.
Maybe I have unrealistic expectations i.e. looking for unicorns, but I still like to think one major reason I do daygame is to meet girls with lower notch counts, or even virgins, who are more conservative and family oriented. Of course girls in the day and night can overlap - obviously those Finnish girls had come to Estonia to party - but I like day game for the girls that I would never otherwise have the opportunity to meet. I wonder, though, if I am deluding myself: there is no way I could go out in the day and pull a girl home 1 in every 2 days as DN does at night; the day game conversion rates are lower. So the reasons in favor of day game must make up for the less frequent success in the day otherwise it wouldn't be worth doing. Now that you have seen DN in action, and compared his approach with yours, and seen how a seemingly innocent girl in the day can turn both your expectations upside down, why do you still choose day game over night? The lack of alcohol is the main one above, already mentioned, but what else keeps you going?
There are many advantages to daygame. I mentioned most of them in the Motivation part of my daygame datasheet which was largely ignored. Do you want to know why?
Daygame is hard. And this is why most people will never overcome their AA and exit their comfort zone.
Why is quality during daygame higher? Cause you get access to 100% of people while other methods only provide a certain level of society. But it is not full proof. Numerous times I daygamed girls who turned out to be Tinder users later.
You have already answered your question in regards to what keeps me going with my own quote.
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I don't think this lifestyle is sustainable if you want to stay fit, productive and healthy, but if you want some crazy things to happen, some drinking has to be involved.
I want to build a sustainable lifestyle. Stay fit, productive and healthy. I want to have a skill set not depending on any drug or alcohol intake. A skill set which will work now, 10 years and maybe even 20 years from now. I have learned that by observing and meeting older red pill guys. The older you get the more daygame remains the only feasible option.
Also I simply enjoy it more. I mentioned earlier that we each choose our way based on our characters. I enjoy walking around new city and exploring, and seeing any beautiful girl passing by as an opportunity.
My belief in unicorns dissipates with every new day, but if I will find something close it will be daygame or some form of social game.
My acceptance to slutiness grows. I start to see women more as a soft clay, which will form according to hands she is in. This is the only reason why you are looking for this virgin clay. But once you look away the clay might be touch by someone else and loose the form you gave it.
Daygame is free, daygame is healthy, daygame is the game and this is why I chose it.
I will still go out once in a while when I feel like it, but to have fun and not to simply get laid. Of course I will not loose opportunity if one presents itself.
Story update:
I came back to Riga.
I banged a Latvian model whom I daygamed in Helsinki airport a year ago. She gave me a lot of LMR and a couple of handjob - blowjob mixed sessions, but wound not yield any further. She closely followed me on Instagram, commented on my stories etc and suggested a meetup. Banged her yesterday. I don't think I could maintain a year long whats app conversation but IG slow cooking was a low maintenance endeavor.
The shoeshop girl came to visit me from Tallinn, it is a short ride. Enjoying her company and all debauchery aside she is a pretty sweet girl, fun in bed and beyond.