Younger girls in the 18-24 range are more attractive than their older counterparts, but I'm finding conversation with them incredibly inane and just plain boring.

Do you guys have any strategies (internal/mental/external) to overcome this and keep at it? I'm finding I have to dumb down my conversation content/things I say a lot and I'm not a fan of nexting every single girl who's conversation I don't find stimulating.

Eg. not jacking off so you're more willing to put up with boring conversation and keep at it when you talk to these girls, having stronger criteria for screening these girls??? Accept that girls can't provide you with intellectual/interesting conversation and just expect this from your male friends?

Go caveman status.

In other words, be very direct and cut to the chase. This will help you to separate the wheat from the chaff. If she's actually wanting to get together and do something or hookup, fine. If not, at least you're saving yourself valuable time not listening to her prattle on about nothing.

Alternately, you can put something in her mouth so she shuts up.



P.S.: Most girls are about as deep as a puddle, don't expect to get anything too intellectually stimulating from them. Instead, enjoy the kind of entertainment they're capable of providing you.

Quote: (05-06-2017 08:15 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Go caveman status.

In other words, be very direct and cut to the chase. This will help you to separate the wheat from the chaff. If she's actually wanting to get together and do something, fine. If not, at least you're saving yourself valuable time not listening to her prattle on about nothing.

Thanks for the insight. Can you give me an example of a routine/process to follow for being direct during a cold day approach? I'm very used to indirect day game but having trouble finding solid direct game apart from the 'London Daygame model'/Krauser type stuff.

As a man, you have to lead the interaction. If she ends up on a boring subject and you're standing there for what seems like forever listening to it, that's on you. Remember, try not to have linear conversations with girls. That's going to be very boring. Instead, try weaving multiple conversational threads so you can move from one thing to another and back again. This will be a whole hell of a lot more entertaining and will feel less like an interview.

In my view, you should build enough rapport to ask her to either go on an insta-date, or get her contact information to follow up with later and bounce. The idea isn't just to have conversation with a stranger on the street for an indefinite amount of time, the idea is to set yourself up for a future meeting where a better possibility of isolating her and escalating can occur.

As for how to go direct? That's a matter of personal preference and what is congruent for your own individual personality. For me, I'd rather blow myself out trying to escalate, then be too much of a pussy and risk winding up in the friend zone. The idea, as far as I'm concerned, is to separate the wheat from the chaff. In other words, not wasting your time with someone who isn't really interested anyway. Get them to lay their cards out on the table.

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

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How do you deal with boring conversations when talking to girls of any age?

FTFY, as they say.

It does not matter if they are boring or not. If you want to get the girl you should be focused on impacting her emotionally and leading on all levels. You should be focused on her. From what you say your focus is on her.

By leading i I mean doing your thing according to your plan so to speak. She starts talking some irrelevant shit? Change the topic or cut her off or misinterpret it in a way it throws her off so you can take it from there on tour terms.

Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

To me this advice is on the right track but on the wrong train. It is very effective to let a chick know when she is boring you but you can do it without necessarily being a dick. Just do so SUGGESTIVELY by treating her as if you expected a certain level of intellect from her. When you are not impressed, let her know by your facial expressions, and if you feel that you are dumbing things down, let her know and leave the ball in her court by saying you'd rather talk about what she prefers. This is a hot potato that 99% of girls can't handle as it means they must game you now. In my cases they always throw the ball back in my court and try really show that they aren't dumb.

Quote: (05-06-2017 08:04 PM)sonderho Wrote:  

Younger girls in the 18-24 range are more attractive than their older counterparts, but I'm finding conversation with them incredibly inane and just plain boring.

Do you guys have any strategies (internal/mental/external) to overcome this and keep at it? I'm finding I have to dumb down my conversation content/things I say a lot and I'm not a fan of nexting every single girl who's conversation I don't find stimulating.

Eg. not jacking off so you're more willing to put up with boring conversation and keep at it when you talk to these girls, having stronger criteria for screening these girls??? Accept that girls can't provide you with intellectual/interesting conversation and just expect this from your male friends?

I have a different take. I enjoy my time spent with younger girls in all facts of the interaction including conversations. Older women are just as shallow, although it is manifested slightly different. The last thing I want to do is listen to the exaggerated importance of a woman's career pushing papers around. These woman are also just as likely as young women to be addicted to social media, overly concerned with the lives of their friends and exhibit hyper glamorous behavior.

As an older guy, I enjoy the light conversations with younger women as long as they are kept in check. It should be relatively easy for an older player to establish dominance early on and to establish the boundaries. Generally, women do most of the talking, but men should lead the conversation and change the topic when they see fit.

One of the most difficult red pills to swallow is that women will not provide you with fulfillment in all areas of your life. Men need fulfillment in other areas from male friends, career and life pursuits. Ideally, these areas will provide you with the intellectual satisfaction you seek. Men need to honestly ask themselves what they seek in women. We don't do this enough. We are skilled at identifying negatives attributes of women.

From this perspective, we can accept women for what they are and look for fulfillment in other areas of our life.

I just get overly sexual and flippant

Not going to waste my time being bored if a girl isnt interested in the first place

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One of the most difficult red pills to swallow is that women will not provide you with fulfillment in all areas of your life. Men need fulfillment in other areas from male friends, career and life pursuits. Ideally, these areas will provide you with the intellectual satisfaction you seek. Men need to honestly ask themselves what they seek in women. We don't do this enough. We are skilled at identifying negatives attributes of women.

From this perspective, we can accept women for what they are and look for fulfillment in other areas of our life.

This one is a tough one to swallow. Throughout all of my life I was frustrated with women because of their superficial and shallow approach to exciting things such as arts, music, history , science, Phylosphy and the like. In my case say you find a woman who is a hardcore fan of Pink floyd, still she doesn't know sh*t about all of their records, song meanings, stories, band members and so forth, and in the end she's not that passionate about it.

Remember they are just like children, do not seek intellectual and wise conversations with the greater majority of women. Just have fun with their feminity and nurturing qualities. It's far better this way and it's just the way it's always been; Let them swipe their instagram pages while you are thinking on greater pursuits after you banged the crap out of them, it's cool.

A: The same way Trump deals with Katy Tur






Edit: The way she looks at him in the video below, Trump could ask her to get down on her knees, and she would.

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Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

To me this advice is on the right track but on the wrong train. It is very effective to let a chick know when she is boring you but you can do it without necessarily being a dick. Just do so SUGGESTIVELY by treating her as if you expected a certain level of intellect from her. When you are not impressed, let her know by your facial expressions, and if you feel that you are dumbing things down, let her know and leave the ball in her court by saying you'd rather talk about what she prefers. This is a hot potato that 99% of girls can't handle as it means they must game you now. In my cases they always throw the ball back in my court and try really show that they aren't dumb.

I think Polniy was on the right track in that if the conversation is boring, you make her jump through hoops. Thats good for a couple of reasons. Its less boring. Its challenging. And younger girls are probably less used to being challenged, especially if they are hot. Like someone above said, if you make it challenging you risk losing them quickly, but when you communicate to her that you don't care if she gets away you communicate abundance and this ironically is what makes you successful.

Now, you do this in a way that is congruent with who you are. In my view, the difference between Polniy and Savenham Lincoln is just a matter of who they are - its fundamentally the same technique.

A baby step to do this is to challenge her to make the conversation more interesting. If she is talking about media stars, say something like Do you do anything that is interesting, or do you just follow Justin Bieber all day? If you word this correctly for the context, its an invitation to her to talk about stuff she does do - travel, dance, art, or even some b.s. she might say like she likes the outdoors or something. This is a minor hoop you are making her jump through, and she'll be thankful that you put this obstacle in front of her because she now gets to qualify herself to you.

I find most women boring not just the younger ones.

I find most women boring and annoying. It's kind of a problem for me, because when i'm out, I need a lot of alcohol and cigarettes just to be around them. Unless there's sexual tension, then i find them very enjoyable. Anyone else have the same issue? My only meaningful conversations with women, only occur after sex. I can't bond with them in any other way

Quote: (05-06-2017 08:25 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

try weaving multiple conversational threads so you can move from one thing to another and back again.

Is there a video clip (maybe from a movie or TV show) that demonstrates this technique? It sounds cool, but it's not really intuitive for me and I'm having trouble visualizing how it might play out in an actual conversation.

This is why I don't date vapid, shallow, self obsessed young girls.

An older Milf with experience, depth and appreciation is always a much better option.

As others have mentioned, women are like children.

Does anyone ever say:

"Hey my 6 year old son can be fun sometimes, but when we're having conversations. He's just BORING. All he ever talks about is his boring friend Sam, his toys and his imaginary friends. I try and change the subject, but he's not really interested in politics, or music or art or cars or any of the things I like and we end up just talking about his stupid friends and his stupid toys."?

No, because not only would that make you incredibly stupid, but incredibly weak. You're the man, or the father in that case, you lead the conversations. Of course you wouldn't sit around trying to have conversations with a six year old. You play fun games, teach him something, something you both can enjoy.

I tend to mostly avoid deep conversations with ALL men and women, young and old. Only once I've found an interesting subject with another male friend that we're both interested in will I attempt to talk about it.

With girls and guys who are just drinking buddies, I just keep it to small talk, jokes, logistics, beer, maybe something about music. With girls who are completely void of anything I stick to just jokes and sex.

I'm living in Mexico, and my Spanish is pretty poor. I don't care at all I can't have good conversations with most girls here. It's harder to game, but when you have them it actually makes my life better, they tend to talk about their personal shit to their family and friends, while they keep it to light conversation, fun and sex with me. Perfect.

I don't interact with them on intellectual level, I interact with them on emotional level.

Emotionally almost every girl is way smarter than me, so I like the experience.

Quote: (05-08-2017 08:41 PM)sch Wrote:  

I don't interact with them on intellectual level, I interact with them on emotional level.

Emotionally almost every girl is way smarter than me, so I like the experience.

I don't quite understand this myself, and I want to know more. How do you engage someone on a more emotional level?

Quote: (05-07-2017 08:53 AM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

To me this advice is on the right track but on the wrong train. It is very effective to let a chick know when she is boring you but you can do it without necessarily being a dick. Just do so SUGGESTIVELY by treating her as if you expected a certain level of intellect from her. When you are not impressed, let her know by your facial expressions, and if you feel that you are dumbing things down, let her know and leave the ball in her court by saying you'd rather talk about what she prefers. This is a hot potato that 99% of girls can't handle as it means they must game you now. In my cases they always throw the ball back in my court and try really show that they aren't dumb.

Quote: (05-08-2017 05:30 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Quote: (05-07-2017 08:53 AM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

Quote: (05-07-2017 02:47 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

I agree with the advices given. Just go a bit hard on her and say that you don't understand why she answers so slowly and cannot build a conversation. Mention that her IQ is low and that it's not enough to be hot to attract men. If she answers slowly or still moans , then just tell her that "you ve never came across such a low-level girl" and stop talking to her.
I like to add some condescending sentence after it to make her feel guilty and that she is insane , but that's just my personal touch.

To me this advice is on the right track but on the wrong train. It is very effective to let a chick know when she is boring you but you can do it without necessarily being a dick. Just do so SUGGESTIVELY by treating her as if you expected a certain level of intellect from her. When you are not impressed, let her know by your facial expressions, and if you feel that you are dumbing things down, let her know and leave the ball in her court by saying you'd rather talk about what she prefers. This is a hot potato that 99% of girls can't handle as it means they must game you now. In my cases they always throw the ball back in my court and try really show that they aren't dumb.

I think Polniy was on the right track in that if the conversation is boring, you make her jump through hoops. Thats good for a couple of reasons. Its less boring. Its challenging. And younger girls are probably less used to being challenged, especially if they are hot. Like someone above said, if you make it challenging you risk losing them quickly, but when you communicate to her that you don't care if she gets away you communicate abundance and this ironically is what makes you successful.

Now, you do this in a way that is congruent with who you are. In my view, the difference between Polniy and Savenham Lincoln is just a matter of who they are - its fundamentally the same technique.

A baby step to do this is to challenge her to make the conversation more interesting. If she is talking about media stars, say something like Do you do anything that is interesting, or do you just follow Justin Bieber all day? If you word this correctly for the context, its an invitation to her to talk about stuff she does do - travel, dance, art, or even some b.s. she might say like she likes the outdoors or something. This is a minor hoop you are making her jump through, and she'll be thankful that you put this obstacle in front of her because she now gets to qualify herself to you.

Thank you both for your comments. I would like to specify that what I said applies to online gaming only. This is my "filter" and this way I am sure to only have a date with women who are not totally retarded , as I am not particularly self-confident and handsome , this is the only way I have a chance , to have some woman with brain so I can impress her with my talk. In real life ,if it ever happens that the woman is retarded , I won't go hard and tell her she has a low IQ , but will act distant and be aloof , look somewhere else , try to pretend that I am bored. It is difficult when you find her sexually attractive , but everything is relative , I am a short-odds backer and will usually not meet an 8 or a 9.

lead everything about the interaction with lots of teasing and what not. especially when she shows her naivety about anything.

What if you just say fuck it and talk about whatever you want to talk about? Politics, sports, your boss, ancient literature, car engines etc.