Some friends and I recently had an argument concerning this topic. My position was that a man's wife should come first, followed by his children, then his mother. My opinion seemed to be the least popular out of everyone else's. Everyone else insisted that a man's children should come first, followed by his wife, then his mother. I'm interested in hearing your guys' thoughts since this seems to be a controversial topic.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:17 AM)Huey Wrote:  

My position was that a man's wife should come first, followed by his children, then his mother. My opinion seemed to be the least popular out of everyone else's. Everyone else insisted that a man's children should come first, followed by his wife, then his mother. I'm interested in hearing your guys' thoughts since this seems to be a controversial topic.

How the hell can you put your wife before your kids?

His children, because they're his legacy and the future, his mom, because he owns her his life, and then his wife.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:17 AM)Huey Wrote:  

Some friends and I recently had an argument concerning this topic. My position was that a man's wife should come first, followed by his children, then his mother. My opinion seemed to be the least popular out of everyone else's. Everyone else insisted that a man's children should come first, followed by his wife, then his mother. I'm interested in hearing your guys' thoughts since this seems to be a controversial topic.

Poll omits the man himself, clearly the most important. Can't take care of anyone if you are not taking care of yourself.

You forgot to put 'his dog' as an option.

Himself

Children>himself>rest of the family>wife. In the words of Patrice O' Neal: "My girl is worth like 5 bitches now."

Though if the family is spewing bullshit I may put the wife over them under those circumstances.

Also interchange himself and children if the children are capable of taking care of themselves. Anyone who would not put the life of their infant/toddler/pre-teen son/daughter over himself has no heart or soul.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:20 AM)Enoch Wrote:  

Poll omits the man himself, clearly the most important. Can't take care of anyone if you are not taking care of yourself.

I agree but I assumed that was pretty much taken as a given.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:24 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Children>himself>rest of the family>wife. In the words of Patrice O' Neal: "My girl is worth like 5 bitches now."

Though if the family is spewing bullshit I may put the wife over them under those circumstances.

Also interchange himself and children if the children are capable of taking care of themselves. Anyone who would not put the life of their infant/toddler/pre-teen son/daughter over himself has no heart or soul.

Patreeky also said that the 4 most important things in his life were himself, his career, his mom and then his woman.

I'm gonna have to say from the given that after a man puts himself forward then his children should be next, his wife and then his family.
Sometimes not even family can appreciate what you are trying to build with your wife and kids and will try to run interference in some way.

God, wife, kids, self is the biblical order.

However, that only works when your wife is also following the order God, husband, kids, self.

In a non biblical, not mutually dependent household I would argue self, kids, mistress, wife.

^ Yeah I agree.

I think if the wife is being a true wife and you have a family she is part of you.

Some how kids became more important than wife. Same on her side thinking the kids are more important and the husband is an accessory.

If you have a bunch of kids, God forbid 2 die you still have some left.

I think to have a stable long lasting family the husband and wife need to be happy with each other before anything else.

If you put your wife last and she puts you last, how the hell is that supposed to work for decades? That is setting up for failure. That is not giving a shit when you or she walks in the door at the end of a long day.

Kids should be way way down the ladder. They just got here, and some of them even if raised well will be fuck up losers. Seriously if my wife has been a great wife and mother and she comes home with kids, as they walk in the door I am pushing those little shits out of the way to give her a kiss on the cheek, before I pick them up and throw them into the play pen.

Let say a good sibling to me needed help with something over a weekend, or my parents - and my daughter has an important soccer tournament.

I am missing that gay soccer tournament everytime.

I'd put it in this order

God
Family
Self
Career
Lover

And she ought to be thankful that she is number 5

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:22 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

Himself

This. But given the choices, his mother, the only women who will ever love him, even if she is a drugged up psychopath.

His wife comes first. If you have a good marriage, the children will automatically have a decent childhood. Plus, the kids need to see that the world does not revolve around them. Plus, it is Biblical.

Ive taken an evolutionary view of this, and in that sense, the number 1 has to be your kids.

They are your flesh and blood, your genetic legacy, whereas your mother has no further evolutionary purpose and your wife is only important insofar as she assists your children to grow and thrive. Sure, its nice to look after your mother, but if she were to die tomorrow, it wouldnt impact your genetic legacy one bit. Same goes with your wife.

Of course you could look at in other ways, but what 'feels right' usually feels that way as an evolutionary mechanism to envourage it.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:20 AM)Enoch Wrote:  

Poll omits the man himself, clearly the most important. Can't take care of anyone if you are not taking care of yourself.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:22 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

Himself

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:24 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Children>himself>rest of the family>wife. In the words of Patrice O' Neal: "My girl is worth like 5 bitches now."

Though if the family is spewing bullshit I may put the wife over them under those circumstances.

Also interchange himself and children if the children are capable of taking care of themselves. Anyone who would not put the life of their infant/toddler/pre-teen son/daughter over himself has no heart or soul.

I think "himself" first is a lot deeper than what has been discussed Enoch is the closest. If we are truly working to become the best version of ourselves and we are becoming truely credible dudes then "himself" should be the answer everytime--God can have #1 if you're into that stuff.

A truly credible dude puts himself first because the happiness and care of everyone around him is encompassed in his happiness. As men it makes us feel good to provide for our loved ones--that is something we will always do and feel for as it is a part of our biological imperative.
Even beta-simps unhappy at home getting cuckholded with kids that hate his guts will continue to provide because its our prerogative and is a silver lining to his existence--at least they're happy.

Problem with he latter is that he will never be able to truly make them happy because he is miserable and not on his A-game. Everyone he loves and cares for despises him and I don't care what sacrifice you pay that is just not going to feel good.

When a man puts his happiness first and stops letting people wrong him and demands his respect he is a lot happier. A man who is learning game and becoming the best version of himself is able to manage bitches and make them happy. We are also able to provide meaningful existence to our children who (hopefully) grow to be great men as well.

Look at all of us here. We are here to put ourselves first and get better. I can't count how many times I've seen a post by Kaotic or Gio where the girls are thrilled to be with them even though they know they're not the only girl and it all stems from the same thing--men putting themselves first.

*steps off soapbox*

For the poll's sake I voted children. Reason: survival of the species
Seems everyone agrees that our future/current wives need their pedestal swiped from underneath them lol 0% of votes

Edit:
Additional points:
1) we know better than anyone that women try to destroy our relationships even though they "love" us
2) kids from the moment of conception are parasites that exist to extract our life force and everything we have for themselves (sounds cruel but its true)

You almost have to put yourself first and take care of yourself in todays world because no one is going to do it for us--especially here in America

Quote: (01-09-2017 01:56 PM)Jim Johnson Wrote:  

His wife comes first. If you have a good marriage, the children will automatically have a decent childhood. Plus, the kids need to see that the world does not revolve around them. Plus, it is Biblical.

not this "happy wife happy life" shit. No untruer words have been spoken breaux...

1. God ( cos of the stuff in Revelation)
2. Self ( a growing tree serves those sheltered by it better)
3. Kids and wifey ( assuming she has the deep fear of God I do)
4. Pivot to 1.

Quote: (01-09-2017 02:14 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2017 01:56 PM)Jim Johnson Wrote:  

His wife comes first. If you have a good marriage, the children will automatically have a decent childhood. Plus, the kids need to see that the world does not revolve around them. Plus, it is Biblical.

not this "happy wife happy life" shit. No untruer words have been spoken breaux...

Yes, and no........

You cannot have a happy wife by being a beta servant. If you go that route, she will not respect you, neither will she be happy. You have a happy wife by being a man that she can respect. Be the patriarch, and she will happily follow, along with the kids.

Who is more important, your mother or your wife?

From what I understand, an eternal question in many cultures.

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Wife VS Mom by TMD Shanghai

The problem here is an unclear definition of the meaning of "come first".

Are you asking who to save from a sinking ship if you could only save one? Then the kids come first, because as it's already been said, they're your genetic legacy and the future.

Are you asking who "comes first" in the family hierarchy? Since a traditional family has the man as the captain, the wife as first officer, and the kids as the crew, then the wife comes first because she's in charge during your absence. A husband must maintain a strong relationship with his wife in order to provide a good role model for his children how a healthy relationship should work.

Are you asking who "comes first" in a more spiritual sense? That would be your mother, because you are descended from her. Look at President Trump's victory speech: he thanks his parents first before anyone else because he recognizes the natural order.

Are you asking who "comes first" when in comes to happiness? That would be the man himself. If a man isn't at peace with himself, he's in no condition to provide for his family in the first place.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:20 AM)Enoch Wrote:  

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:17 AM)Huey Wrote:  

Some friends and I recently had an argument concerning this topic. My position was that a man's wife should come first, followed by his children, then his mother. My opinion seemed to be the least popular out of everyone else's. Everyone else insisted that a man's children should come first, followed by his wife, then his mother. I'm interested in hearing your guys' thoughts since this seems to be a controversial topic.

Poll omits the man himself, clearly the most important. Can't take care of anyone if you are not taking care of yourself.

Bingo.

Sadly, there's still far too many men out there putting their wives above all else.

Quote: (01-09-2017 11:17 AM)Huey Wrote:  

Some friends and I recently had an argument concerning this topic. My position was that a man's wife should come first, followed by his children, then his mother. My opinion seemed to be the least popular out of everyone else's. Everyone else insisted that a man's children should come first, followed by his wife, then his mother. I'm interested in hearing your guys' thoughts since this seems to be a controversial topic.

...bit concerned we are now discussing the order of ejaculation in a family group, but, okay.

I feel like balancing your mother and your wife would be in a lot of ways an artform. You're basically using everything you know about women to balance that relationship out so that everybody gets the best possible outcome. It's a simplification for sure, but if there's wife/mother conflict, being able to balance that while keeping both happy with you in the end is the type of skill men we all would look up to would likely possess and demonstrate.

This is course is meant in situations where it's specifically your mother vs your wife, literally or figuratively. The type of balance I'm referring to would need to exist regardless of their respective positions on your personal hierarchy.

Didn't vote.

A man should come first in his life. That means he focuses first on his own health and wealth, such that he can then focus on his wife and children. That's a man's primary role, but that can only be accomplished if the man has his own life in order. You can't be a leader and savior to others if you yourself need saving. A man's parents should be a man's mutual responsibility in conjunction with his siblings helping share the load. Lastly, a man should also put his wife and marriage first, before the children. The parents need to be always on the same page, a united front. A true team. That means both hubby and wife need to put in the time to make the marriage successful, thus making the kids turn out with better outcomes.

All of this is because a man puts HIMSELF first, becomes strong (if he isn't already so) then, and only then, turns his internal focus outward and applies it with vigor.