Race is just one factor that people focus too much on. It never accounts for more than 10-20% of gaming chicks. It is better to be an above average looking Asian/Latino/Black dude with a high paying job than being an average looking white guy making 50k a year.

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:18 AM)crazyskaterkid Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:42 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:13 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa.

I live in DC. For the record, I'm white, but Eastern-European. I have black hair. I'm not getting anywhere with American "girls next door" either, because I don't look Anglo.

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And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat.

Ethnic chicks have more culture and style, but the numbers are not on your side if you want to game them. That's the problem in the US. You're already wasting 65% of the pool because you can't tap the Anglo blonde market (to tell you the truth they're not my type either, so I don't really take offense when they ignore me).

But even in the remaining 35% there are huge problems. Ethnics tend to come from immigrant families where sons are prized over daughters. Those Chinese, Indian, Filipino families rarely have daughters and when they do they always try for sons as well, so the ethnic ratio is bad. Migrant workers also tend to be ethnic (Latinos) and they'll be pursuing the same small group of girls with dark hair. On top of all that ethnic girls are much more conservative than white American girls.

i agree with this.and you forgot to mention that most migrant workers tend to be men also.i noticed this with brazilians that come here go to any brazilian bar in the philadelphia ,trenton area and it will be a complete sausage fest lá vai está fudido and most of the ethnic women that do come here are usually brought here my a man of there own culture not to mention that if they are single they usually stick to men of they're own culture or trying to find the richest white guy they can find brazilian women are notorious for this especially if they are darker non-white looking.

even the men can act funny sometimes as far as befriending them goes.and come off a little racist even though i speak perfect portuguese i had this one afro brazilian dude act really flaky with me even though he looks just as black as i do and dressed in urban clothing on top of that didn't seem to want to associate him self with a black american.

even though in the eyes of america hes a nigger first and a brazilian second. ok ok im going off topic but yea i agree with white men in america getting a better deal when it comes to women not saying that they have it better as far as other things like being blamed for everyones problems for example.but most of the women seem to want a white guy the ones who aren't with a white guy are usually regulated to they're own men due to lack of looks or education or the area they live in but if most could pull it off they would in my humble opinion.

i say its best to go to they're country.

I attented Brazilian expat parties both in London and more than once in Portugal. In all parties the quality was terrible, 90% of The girls were ugly and basically a sausage fest. This happens because generally guys/girls who Ilegally immigrate to the US and Europe were dirt poor in Brazil,so you're gettin the worst part of the cake. Like Roosh said, expat communities does not represent the local talent.
But you can always focus on middle/high class Brasileiras/Latinas who go in Au Pair programs to Miami or other places. I bet Mixx has some stories about that....

anyways, I don't really want to discuss this but it is a curiosity of mines I was thinking about curing

I prefer people message me the answer

why are american women in general bigger on race than women in other countries?

People in America in general are paranoid about race for obvious historical reasons. It's stupid...

Quote: (01-02-2012 08:29 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

Race is just one factor that people focus too much on. It never accounts for more than 10-20% of gaming chicks. It is better to be an above average looking Asian/Latino/Black dude with a high paying job than being an average looking white guy making 50k a year.

Are you black?

I agree it is alot easier to pick up women abroad than compared to US/Canada, some places it is so easy you cannot even call it game.

Quote: (01-02-2012 10:38 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Quote: (01-02-2012 08:29 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

Race is just one factor that people focus too much on. It never accounts for more than 10-20% of gaming chicks. It is better to be an above average looking Asian/Latino/Black dude with a high paying job than being an average looking white guy making 50k a year.

Are you black?

I agree it is alot easier to pick up women abroad than compared to US/Canada, some places it is so easy you cannot even call it game.

very true, in my time in Europe, I thought my "game" was absolute wack, sometimes it was but the Bulgarian girl I got with in Paris gave me a chance anyways!

would never happen to me in so cali

Lots of guys who traveled have realized that they their chances of lays increases if they're in the right place at the right time.

Before game, I noticed girls in some of the cities I've visited more often than not gave me the time of day. More often than back home, which I thought was amazing! And I didn't feel like shit when I got rejected because I realized after some pleasant exchanges that there are other girls like her.

Quote: (01-03-2012 12:09 AM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

Lots of guys who traveled have realized that they their chances of lays increases if they're in the right place at the right time.

Before game, I noticed girls in some of the cities I've visited more often than not gave me the time of day. More often than back home, which I thought was amazing! And I didn't feel like shit when I got rejected because I realized after some pleasant exchanges that there are other girls like her.

pretty much

Quote: (01-02-2012 10:38 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Quote: (01-02-2012 08:29 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

Race is just one factor that people focus too much on. It never accounts for more than 10-20% of gaming chicks. It is better to be an above average looking Asian/Latino/Black dude with a high paying job than being an average looking white guy making 50k a year.

Are you black?

I agree it is alot easier to pick up women abroad than compared to US/Canada, some places it is so easy you cannot even call it game.

Do you mind if you say some cities where you just found really easy to bed girls?

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:19 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 07:41 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

My friends have tried to game 5s who had the mentalities of 10s. A lot of us had to keep trying and trying and trying.

You were (still are?) calling this girl a five. Well then dude, I can see where the problem is.



Kinda suggests your "6 or 7" is what many here would consider a top 1% chick.

that girl looks better then the girl in the first picture he posted with his friend.

Quote: (01-03-2012 02:48 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Quote: (01-02-2012 10:38 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Quote: (01-02-2012 08:29 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

Race is just one factor that people focus too much on. It never accounts for more than 10-20% of gaming chicks. It is better to be an above average looking Asian/Latino/Black dude with a high paying job than being an average looking white guy making 50k a year.

Are you black?

I agree it is alot easier to pick up women abroad than compared to US/Canada, some places it is so easy you cannot even call it game.

Do you mind if you say some cities where you just found really easy to bed girls?

Well no real secret since I am always singing there praises, it is Northern Europe aka Scandinavia. I hit Iceland 2x in 2011, so that must tell you something.

you know, for all the talk about race that goes on in this section, the guys I know who have done the best, and I mean these guys are modern day casanovas are

1. The Vietnamese dude I posted on the first page

2. A 6"5 Indian guy who is in Med School right now

Both date 8s and 9s from other groups often, in fact some of my Black and White friends ask them for advice.....

it isn't a handicap brahs!

Went grocery shopping yesterday. When I got into the parking lot, I saw a 6'4" handsome white guy holding hands tightly with a 5'1" ugly Latina girl at least four points lower. Where I'm at doesn't normally require such a downgrade like this.

I didn't bat an eye, but some of you guys here probably would have done cartwheels from the shock apparently.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

This is incorrect. Almost all the blond hair you see on American women (and by "blond" I mean honey-yellow and lighter: light-brown hair doesn't count) is of a faked color. Look at a woman's roots and eyebrows to see what her real hair color is. (It's very rare for a person's natural eyebrow color to be different from his or her natural head-hair color. Note, however, that among lighter-haired people, pubic hair is often naturally darker than head hair, so you can't rely on pubic hair to judge.) I'd guess that among American women the prevalence of genuine blond hair, following a proper definition of "blond", is less than 5%.

And as for blue eyes, a 2002 Loyola University study found that at that time only about 17% of Americans had them, down from around 50% a hundred years earlier. (The study's definition of "blue" excluded green eyes.)

Quote: (02-19-2012 06:48 AM)gds555 Wrote:  

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And as for blue eyes, a 2002 Loyola University study found that at that time only about 17% of Americans had them, down from around 50% a hundred years earlier. (The study's definition of "blue" excluded green eyes.)

I recall reading recently, possibly from the same study, that worldwide only 2.2% of people have blue eyes which surprised me. I knew they were not common but no idea it was that rare to have that trait.

Guess that is why the trait is considered so exotic in some regions of the world.

I find them very attractive myself as it is one of the few eye colors that really pop, where one notices them from a distance and it is the one trait women comment on about me as they some to love them also.

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:19 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 07:41 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

My friends have tried to game 5s who had the mentalities of 10s. A lot of us had to keep trying and trying and trying.

You were (still are?) calling this girl a five. Well then dude, I can see where the problem is.



Kinda suggests your "6 or 7" is what many here would consider a top 1% chick.

That chick would be considered a dime piece In Minneapolis

yeah i agree with you 100%. I've met foreign women here in the USA and they seem much more friendly and attractive than the local american women. its the truth!

Quote: (01-01-2012 08:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You're definitely preaching to the converted here. Let me add another:

5) European women when comparing age to age seem much more mature. I've had conversations with European women who were 20 that were as mature as any conversation I'd have with a 30 years old here.

Your item 2 rings the most true. Something has really gone awry when completely average looking women are picky. Average women by definitions shouldn't be picky. Yet the "never settle" mantra seems to be en vogue with them these days.

Amen to that. Back in the late 90s, I dated an early 20-something Armenian girl studying at my alma mater. She spoke fluent English, Russian, and Ukrainian, whip-smart, cultured, driven, but motivated. She was also a thin blonde stunner.

Last year, I hooked up with a thin blonde Romanian chick in Bucharest who works as a police dispatcher in the city. (Our first date, she was wearing her club clothes with her taser still strapped to her side. ) Though a party girl, she had this mature air about her that was in no way pretentious. Bought my drinks at both clubs we visited, and when I returned to Bucharest, she split the cost of the hotel room with me.

I don't think its easier..but when I'm overseas,i have more drive to pick up those foreign girls.

I feel like I dress to impress more. Day game harder
Online game harder
Start out at night longer
Also have more time

Once I get back to the states, all these factors decrease.i do enough to get by.
pass over lots of girls

In the end..the challenge goes away..thus I try less..and probably get less.

a guy who women consider 'hot' and has game will pick up in any country..

Although I'm not from the US, I think for me getting laid in London is easier than in Eastern Europe. That said in London, it's not easy to get laid with a girl more than ten years younger than me, where I am I don't sleep with any girls less than ten years younger than me.

In Eastern Europe for example the nightlife is not as wild as in London, people don't get so drunk, the women do not have much in the way of a disposable income they are generally more conservative and don't go out looking for cock so much.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

Most american blondes ? LOL the vast majority of american blondes come from a bottle ( similar situation to other "anglo" countries like UK, Ireland,Canada, NZ,australia). Once you have been to real blonde countries in europe (sweden, denmark, netherlands, norway, finland, iceland) you can easily notice how fake the blondes in the US are and how real blondes look like. Most americans are of mixed ancestry btw, hence being so strict about racial/ethnic background of their potential partners seem kind of contradictory to me, maybe they have some sort of inferiority complex?

Quote: (03-21-2012 06:33 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

a guy who women consider 'hot' and has game will pick up in any country..

Not really, because what is considered hot varies per country, a guy like cristiano ronaldo will kill in northern/eastern europe, but he get no attention in spain, portugal, italy ,etc. Some women might now call him attractive in those countries only because he is famous, but getting real there are many christiano ronaldos available on stock in countries like portugal,spain or italy meanwhile he might be a rare sight among ethnic estonians or swedes.

Quote: (01-02-2012 09:30 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:18 AM)crazyskaterkid Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:42 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:13 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa.

I live in DC. For the record, I'm white, but Eastern-European. I have black hair. I'm not getting anywhere with American "girls next door" either, because I don't look Anglo.

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And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat.

Ethnic chicks have more culture and style, but the numbers are not on your side if you want to game them. That's the problem in the US. You're already wasting 65% of the pool because you can't tap the Anglo blonde market (to tell you the truth they're not my type either, so I don't really take offense when they ignore me).

But even in the remaining 35% there are huge problems. Ethnics tend to come from immigrant families where sons are prized over daughters. Those Chinese, Indian, Filipino families rarely have daughters and when they do they always try for sons as well, so the ethnic ratio is bad. Migrant workers also tend to be ethnic (Latinos) and they'll be pursuing the same small group of girls with dark hair. On top of all that ethnic girls are much more conservative than white American girls.

i agree with this.and you forgot to mention that most migrant workers tend to be men also.i noticed this with brazilians that come here go to any brazilian bar in the philadelphia ,trenton area and it will be a complete sausage fest lá vai está fudido and most of the ethnic women that do come here are usually brought here my a man of there own culture not to mention that if they are single they usually stick to men of they're own culture or trying to find the richest white guy they can find brazilian women are notorious for this especially if they are darker non-white looking.

even the men can act funny sometimes as far as befriending them goes.and come off a little racist even though i speak perfect portuguese i had this one afro brazilian dude act really flaky with me even though he looks just as black as i do and dressed in urban clothing on top of that didn't seem to want to associate him self with a black american.

even though in the eyes of america hes a nigger first and a brazilian second. ok ok im going off topic but yea i agree with white men in america getting a better deal when it comes to women not saying that they have it better as far as other things like being blamed for everyones problems for example.but most of the women seem to want a white guy the ones who aren't with a white guy are usually regulated to they're own men due to lack of looks or education or the area they live in but if most could pull it off they would in my humble opinion.

i say its best to go to they're country.

I attented Brazilian expat parties both in London and more than once in Portugal. In all parties the quality was terrible, 90% of The girls were ugly and basically a sausage fest. This happens because generally guys/girls who Ilegally immigrate to the US and Europe were dirt poor in Brazil,so you're gettin the worst part of the cake. Like Roosh said, expat communities does not represent the local talent.
But you can always focus on middle/high class Brasileiras/Latinas who go in Au Pair programs to Miami or other places. I bet Mixx has some stories about that....

While I agree you don't get the same quality Brazilian women in the states, I don't agree that most the Brazilian girls you are gonna meet in the states are dirt poor. I probably know over 100 and 99% of them are from upper class Brazilian families. It's not easy to get from Brazil to the US like it is Mexico. It's extremely hard for a poor Brazilian to get into the United States. Trust me, after going to Brazil after meeting my Brazilian friends in the US, hardly any of them are even middle class, most are upper class, well off Brazilians.

Quote: (04-02-2012 12:21 AM)Eliogabalus Wrote:  

Once you have been to real blonde countries in europe (sweden, denmark, netherlands, norway, finland, iceland) you can easily notice how fake the blondes in the US are and how real blondes look like.

I appreciate Eliogabalus's accurate observation about the prevalence of fake-blond women in the U.S.; but I have to add that there aren't even that many real blonds in northern Europe. (As in my February 19th post above, I'm excluding light and medium brown from my definition of "blond".) I've been to Iceland--which has a strong admixture of Celts and others in the population--and seen with my own eyes that real blonds are a small minority there, though fake blonds are numerous. I've also seen enough Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish movies to notice how rare real blonds are in those countries. And although the Nazis would have loved everyone to think otherwise, there aren't that many in Germany, and I doubt there are that many in the Netherlands either.

The percentages are probably somewhat better in the countries other than Sweden surrounding the Baltic Sea: Poland, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Finland. According to The History and Geography of Human Genes (1994) by Cavalli-Sforza et al., the Baltic is the epicenter of blondness in the world.