I did recently go on a Eurotrip with my buddies to Western Europe, I managed to get with more women in that time period than I ever could in the US even if I was given twice the time. Here is what I have noticed among women in the US which I did not notice in women abroad (and even though I did not really go to Brazil, I will mention the experiences a lot of my friends there have had).

This is concerning Western Europe (did not go to the UK) vs USA

1. Tons of fit women in the countries I went to when compared to the US. - Southern California is known for being a place where a lot of the attractive women live. That does not mean we don't get our boatload of whales and such. In visiting Western Europe, just walking the streets, it is not even fair to compare those cities to Los Angeles. The girls there had far more style and made themselves far more presentable.

2. A 5 in the US considers herself to be a 7, a 7 in the US considers herself to be a 9, a 9 in the US? Well you get the pattern. Not the case in Western Europe in my experience. - I noticed that while I was in France and Germany, a lot of the women I met there were humble. A girl I met in Germany who would be considered an 8 out of 10 here in LA acted like a normal girl, she did not seek special privileges, she did not treat anyone like they were below her, and MOST of all she did not act like 99 percent of all men were good for her.

Where I live, you WHALES who think they deserve a f*cking David Beckham. SMH.

Now my experience in those countries was mostly for a month but even visitors here to the US complain about how most of the decent looking women here are extremely stuck up with princess syndromes not seen as often in Europe.

3. Women in other nations are not nearly as big on a guy's background as they are here - I won't talk about this too much, in fact I will only dedicate a short paragraph to it. Some of my Korean friends who went to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden had no problem at all, instead of dismissing them as a stereotype, most women wanted to know them better. One friend of mines who I came with me on a trip to France was Chinese (completely Americanized), he had success in California but boy oh boy did I talk to some girls who said they won't date him simply for his background. Had no problems in Germany, ended up making out with a decent looking German woman (above average looking blonde).

Some people I have talked to have said in no other country have women made a huge deal out of a guy's background as they have in the US.

4. Foreign women do not have unrealistic standards. - A lot of women here in the US want a David Beckham with a Bill Gates salary and the ability to do everything for them. MANY women try their best to aim WAY out of their league, I have seen so many average looking girls turn down decent looking guys and say "oh well he isn't that good looking" and point out minor flaws. In Europe, I actually saw Average looking joes with good looking women often because they had a lot going for them.

-facepalm-

I swear to god, I have no clue WHAT has happened here.

Now am I saying it is impossible to game women in the US? Not at all, I have gotten lucky here but the thing is I have had to work 10x harder and really put myself out there.

I often hear people saying girls here in the US are the easiest, I have no clue WHAT they are talking about. My friends have tried to game 5s who had the mentalities of 10s. A lot of us had to keep trying and trying and trying.

One time I told myself I will approach about 20 above average looking women in my eyes to see how it goes. Only had success with about 2. In my trip to Europe the percentages played way more in my favor.

I want to hear what you guys have to say about.

I agree. European woman are much more down to Earth then American woman.
Easier to pull though? It comes down to which country you're in. There is a thread about this..
I lived in Spain for 6 months. Look Spanish. Speak Spanish and I had trouble pulling Spanish girls. I pulled more French and German girls then any others.
Latin America is where it's at though for me. I'm american, speak spanish and can pass for a latin. Some of the beautiful girls down south love me for those 3 reasons and no game is required.

You're definitely preaching to the converted here. Let me add another:

5) European women when comparing age to age seem much more mature. I've had conversations with European women who were 20 that were as mature as any conversation I'd have with a 30 years old here.

Your item 2 rings the most true. Something has really gone awry when completely average looking women are picky. Average women by definitions shouldn't be picky. Yet the "never settle" mantra seems to be en vogue with them these days.

I've come to the same conclusion. My level of dissatisfaction with the scene has reached the point that I am no longer willing to live in the country. I'm now making the serious, absolutely painful moves necessary to expatriate myself permanently. I spent tens of thousands of dollars over the years globetrotting for months at a stretch only to be pulled back and descend into a completely depressive state while I toiled and saved to leave again.

I finally had to ask myself what I was doing. It seems better "over there" because it is better. When you find yourself living to leave you've just got man up and leave for good. Only abroad do you reap the full benefits of being born in a power country. I'm now building a war chest go abroad and stay abroad in a legit way (highly skilled visa, employment, language, etc.).

The fast food culture, lack of exercise, and sense of entitlement has destroyed America women. The only thing they have going for them is that they are slutty, perhaps the biggest sluts in the world.

No where else though will you find overweight chicks wearing sweat pants and tennis shoes who nevertheless think they are entitled to a good looking guy with a high paying job who will do everything she says.

Quote: (01-01-2012 08:32 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

The fast food culture, lack of exercise, and sense of entitlement has destroyed America women. The only thing they have going for them is that they are slutty, perhaps the biggest sluts in the world.

No where else though will you find overweight chicks wearing sweat pants and tennis shoes who nevertheless think they are entitled to a good looking guy with a high paying job who will do everything she says.

ya but one thing I do have to say about the US, the top 1 percent of all women here are hands down the best in my opinion

EG: katie cassidy = hotter than any blonde I have seen in my time in europe

It is like a Dr Jekyl Mr Hyde scenario with american women

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

Eh, I have been pretty happy in the USA and I am Mexican. I am taller than the average Mexican immigrant (5'10" w/o shoes on ) and a bit lighter than the average Mexican, but I still haven't found it too hard to hook up with white chicks.

Still, white girls in the USA do have a preference for white dudes (in general), so I guess YMMV.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

Well let me rephrase that, if you are any kind of White guy, America is basically where you should be.

Yet on the flipside that doesn't mean a non-White can't have the same success, if not even more success. Thing is in my experiences in Europe, White males don't get bonus points and in some cases they are looked over for more exotic men. Here in America they get bonus points.

That is my dilemma. I love American blondes, thing is, from what I see, they exclusively want White males, preferably the brunette kind. Won't stop me though, I think of it like football.

I may have a weaker defense but a strong offense, special teams, coaching, and some luck can help me win the game.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa. I don't think what you're saying is necessarily true in NYC, SF, LA or any of the bigger diverse cities. There, you have all sorts of sub-cultures and regardless of what your ethnic background there is always some bar or club you can go to where you'll have girls after you. Hell, in places like SF or NYC there are a lot of bars where white guys wouldn't get the time of day.

And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat. To the extent there is anything good about American chicks its that you can game women from basically any background imaginable. If you want white chicks, just go to Europe.

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:13 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:28 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

I think America is a good country if you're an Anglo/Western-European man.

If that's the case, it's not really that hard here, for various reasons. There's an abundance of blonde/blue-eyed girls similar to yourself who match you genetically, in fact that's the dominant genotype in the US. True, America is diverse, but not as diverse as some people think.

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa. I don't think what you're saying is necessarily true in NYC, SF, LA or any of the bigger diverse cities. There, you have all sorts of sub-cultures and regardless of what your ethnic background there is always some bar or club you can go to where you'll have girls after you. Hell, in places like SF or NYC there are a lot of bars where white guys wouldn't get the time of day.

And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat. To the extent there is anything good about American chicks its that you can game women from basically any background imaginable. If you want white chicks, just go to Europe.

White guys have it easy in big cities too. Tons of Brown women, Asian women, and all kinds of women with maybe the exception of Black women try to go after them and sell out their own men. I mean living here in Los Angeles, you see so many 8/10 and 9/10 Asian chicks that exclusively date and screw White.

As for White girls here in the US, say what you want but

1. They are in the majority, go to any high end NYC club, they are the ones in great numbers there
2. There are good looking women of all backgrounds but majority are going to be White simply because there are more White women

Minority guys don't drool after White women because of color, status or anything. It has to do with numbers.

If I said I won't date a White girl here in So Cal, I am screwed bro. In most rich areas, like 70 percent of the chicks are White.

I see SO MANY Asian guys here in Southern California pull decent girls from all backgrounds because they have to, their own women have abandoned them which is pretty sad but in a way that has made them work on game and become top contenders. I bet the Thais and Filipinos here can outpull a Spaniard or French guy. That is how good they have gotten. If you want, I will post pics of my Vietnamese friend from bodybuilding WHO EXCLUSIVELY f*cks 9s and 8s all day. And pics of him with those 9s and 8s.

I actually have a very, very easy time in the US now that I've been exposed to a lot of foreign countries. The thing is that I'm very rarely interested in girls in the US now too. I don't think these two things are a coincidence.

But I'd say I have an easier time in the US than just about any other developed country. England as well.

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:19 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

I actually have a very, very easy time in the US now that I've been exposed to a lot of foreign countries. The thing is that I'm very rarely interested in girls in the US now too. I don't think these two things are a coincidence.

But I'd say I have an easier time in the US than just about any other developed country. England as well.

you live on the east coast or west coast?

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:13 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa.

I live in DC. For the record, I'm white, but Eastern-European. I have black hair. I'm not getting anywhere with American "girls next door" either, because I don't look Anglo.

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And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat.

Ethnic chicks have more culture and style, but the numbers are not on your side if you want to game them. That's the problem in the US. You're already wasting 65% of the pool because you can't tap the Anglo blonde market (to tell you the truth they're not my type either, so I don't really take offense when they ignore me).

But even in the remaining 35% there are huge problems. Ethnics tend to come from immigrant families where sons are prized over daughters. Those Chinese, Indian, Filipino families rarely have daughters and when they do they always try for sons as well, so the ethnic ratio is bad. Migrant workers also tend to be ethnic (Latinos) and they'll be pursuing the same small group of girls with dark hair. On top of all that ethnic girls are much more conservative than white American girls.

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:42 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

But even in the remaining 35% there are huge problems. Ethnics tend to come from immigrant families where sons are prized over daughters. Those Chinese, Indian, Filipino families rarely have daughters and when they do they always try for sons as well, so the ethnic ratio is bad. Migrant workers also tend to be ethnic (Latinos) and they'll be pursuing the same small group of girls with dark hair. On top of all that ethnic girls are much more conservative than white American girls.

Wow, you are making some funny generalizations. I've never noticed a bad gender ratio when it comes to Indians, Chinese, or Asians in general. Never even thought of it, and I've been around Asians in America my whole life.

And there are plenty of slutty ethnic girls. Most of the ones who grew up in America become sluts eventually. Just stay away from the ones who actually grew up in India or Pakistan or Iran or China.

And in DC, NYC, SF, LA there are literally dozens of places you could go to at night where a majority of people will be non-white. Sure, you can just hang out in the Marina in SF or some swanky club in Georgetown in DC or the UES in NYC but if you go to most places it will be hella more diverse.

And about Asian chicks dating white guys in LA. Sure, that is totally common, but it's not the same with Arab, Indian, Persian or Latina chicks. They don't sell out as easily because they have more self-respect. And even with California Asian girls you can find tons of clubs in SF or LA where its 99% Asian inside and all the girls are at least down with meeting Asian guys. Hell, most of the clubs in North Beach in SF are all Asian.

So anyway, you are making it sound like whites have it easier, but I actually think its the opposite in big US cities nowadays.

LOL, you are so wrong bro. I live in So Cali, it is so common to see a White guy with a 9/10 or 8/10 Latina girlfriend, the Latinas aren't White Latinas either, they are brown Latinas. It is not out of the norm at all. Indian and ME chicks do it too, a lot will date White dudes and then marry the guy their parents want them too. But these days it isn't the case, so many of them marry out (seen the men do it more often though).

Personally, seeing this a lot is what got my Asian friends to work on their game a lot. It is not the opposite bro.

As I said, if you wanna go to a club in a good neighborhood or a high end club, White girls will dominate in terms of numbers. Also, White men have a lot going for em in the US with stereotypes and such. They are always a 2nd choice for most non-White girls after their own race.

But I am not complaining, for a minority myself, I think I have it great. Just be Americanized and it will be all good, srs.

The answer is not a plain yes or no. If you are american, i believe that the answer should be yes. But if you aren't american like me, then in that case i believe that the answer can't be put in terms of yes or no. For example if i go to Sweden, of course that it'll be easier. If i go to the Congo i guess that it'll be harder. But if i go to the USA (except for Utah), chicks wlll still be easier than other countries. Here in my country, Chile, banging chicks is really harder compared to other countries in south america.

So i think that americans should say thanks because of living there, because i think that reasonably any person could say that banging chicks in the US ain't that hard.

You are not the only one.





I think when guys complain about the US it's about quality not quantity. Sure there's a lot of 5s and 6s who are dtf. But there's a lot of guys that want higher quality chics.

Quote: (01-01-2012 09:06 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

EG: katie cassidy = hotter than any blonde I have seen in my time in europe

Even Sweden?

She's def top 1%.

shocked that guy had success with women in Spain, in my experience, Spanish and Italian women are hard as hell to game, now northern european and central european women were very receptive to me

You claim non-white women are selling out their men in huge numbers, which is now forcing you and your buds to go after hot white women. But the issue really is about the Asian 9's and 10's who are leaving the herd because who cares about the 7's and below.

Then European women are easier, but they are not as hot as the top 1% of American blonde women. Got it. And Katie Cassidy is top 1% but that other attractive girl in the other thread is just a five. Now, I don't get it.

And hot white girls won't give Asian guys a chance, but your Vietnamese buddy is hooking up with 9's and 10's all day long (white I assume, since all the Asians are taken).

I don't know. It does sound like you are complaining though. Either that or the thrust of this thread is contradicting and/or confusing. But despite the confusion, I think I understand the problem. You want the trophy girl. Yeah, those girls are tough for everybody. They typically are looking for a Greek God who makes tons of money and will kiss their ass all day long.

Let's really be honest here, dude. Are you yourself a 9 or 10? If not, are you rich enough to buy a SoCali whore's attention? Top 1% girls everywhere have tons of options, and they are looking for the best deal. That's reality. I remember seeing a few Asian guys with hot blonde chicks in California, but they were studly guys. As you would expect them to be.

It would be one thing to say that all white girls in Cali give no Asian guys a chance (which is probably a lie), but dude, you're complaining about the difficulty of getting top 1% girls. Really?

This is starting to sound like a race troll thread.

Let's stay on topic.

no, my buds are going after hot women outside their own group

katie cassidy is a lot more attractive than that girl

never said hot white girls won't give asian guys a chance

no, I just wanna bang a bunch of 6s and 7s for the rest of my life bro

also

know him from bodybuilding





last post for today, I am out

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:01 AM)blurb Wrote:  

This is starting to sound like a race troll thread.

Let's stay on topic.

ya I got WAY OFF topic, I am not making another post about race as long as I am here, seriously, I don't care who replies but that sh*t gets people banned fast


no more words about race from me

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:42 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

Quote: (01-01-2012 10:13 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

I'm guessing you live in a non-diverse place like Iowa.

I live in DC. For the record, I'm white, but Eastern-European. I have black hair. I'm not getting anywhere with American "girls next door" either, because I don't look Anglo.

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And honestly, why would anyone want white American women anyway? They exemplify all the worst attributes about American women. At least minority chicks have more culture and knowledge of the outside world, and might be a little more laid back and less self centered because they don't have the world revolving around them like the typical white blond brat.

Ethnic chicks have more culture and style, but the numbers are not on your side if you want to game them. That's the problem in the US. You're already wasting 65% of the pool because you can't tap the Anglo blonde market (to tell you the truth they're not my type either, so I don't really take offense when they ignore me).

But even in the remaining 35% there are huge problems. Ethnics tend to come from immigrant families where sons are prized over daughters. Those Chinese, Indian, Filipino families rarely have daughters and when they do they always try for sons as well, so the ethnic ratio is bad. Migrant workers also tend to be ethnic (Latinos) and they'll be pursuing the same small group of girls with dark hair. On top of all that ethnic girls are much more conservative than white American girls.

i agree with this.and you forgot to mention that most migrant workers tend to be men also.i noticed this with brazilians that come here go to any brazilian bar in the philadelphia ,trenton area and it will be a complete sausage fest lá vai está fudido and most of the ethnic women that do come here are usually brought here my a man of there own culture not to mention that if they are single they usually stick to men of they're own culture or trying to find the richest white guy they can find brazilian women are notorious for this especially if they are darker non-white looking.

even the men can act funny sometimes as far as befriending them goes.and come off a little racist even though i speak perfect portuguese i had this one afro brazilian dude act really flaky with me even though he looks just as black as i do and dressed in urban clothing on top of that didn't seem to want to associate him self with a black american.

even though in the eyes of america hes a nigger first and a brazilian second. ok ok im going off topic but yea i agree with white men in america getting a better deal when it comes to women not saying that they have it better as far as other things like being blamed for everyones problems for example.but most of the women seem to want a white guy the ones who aren't with a white guy are usually regulated to they're own men due to lack of looks or education or the area they live in but if most could pull it off they would in my humble opinion.

i say its best to go to they're country.

Quote: (01-01-2012 07:41 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

My friends have tried to game 5s who had the mentalities of 10s. A lot of us had to keep trying and trying and trying.

You were (still are?) calling this girl a five. Well then dude, I can see where the problem is.

   

Kinda suggests your "6 or 7" is what many here would consider a top 1% chick.