Quote: (06-17-2016 08:54 PM)tawm Wrote:  

But be warned, if you're just now trying to get into the gun game, you're now riding the panic with everybody else. Expect prices to double or triple, especially for blank lowers etc

Very true.....prices are already heading to the stratosphere. Those gays who thought the guv-mint was gonna protect them will now pay heavily for their error.

That's why the smart shopper buys/stocks up during the 'calm' periods.

Quote: (06-13-2016 05:07 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

To any amateur gun lawyers in the US, what's the upshot of private party gun restrictions? For example, does an apartment complex or even a landlord's prohibition on possessing guns on their property that you're renting out have any legal weight outside of the contractual terms on the housing lease? In other words, can you face criminal charges for possessing a gun in a room you're renting out if the property owner specified he doesn't want guns on his property.

Interesting question.

Recently my apt complex put up a "open carry/concealed" guns are prohibited sign on the entrance.....however there is nothing prohibiting me from storing them in the contract.

It's weird.

At some point, one has to decide whether the risk of having a gun outweighs the 'no guns here' sign. It's like insurance....for a long time you'll never need it, and never think about it. Then, one day, when you least expect....

.....and if you don't have it, you are fucked.

Quote: (06-18-2016 04:20 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Quote: (06-13-2016 05:07 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

To any amateur gun lawyers in the US, what's the upshot of private party gun restrictions? For example, does an apartment complex or even a landlord's prohibition on possessing guns on their property that you're renting out have any legal weight outside of the contractual terms on the housing lease? In other words, can you face criminal charges for possessing a gun in a room you're renting out if the property owner specified he doesn't want guns on his property.

Interesting question.

Recently my apt complex put up a "open carry/concealed" guns are prohibited sign on the entrance.....however there is nothing prohibiting me from storing them in the contract.

It's weird.

Feel good measure to placate the "lets do something" soccer mom crowd. Some apartments will "prohibit" guns from common areas like the pool, clubhouse, etc since technically those areas are not your domicile. I lived in one that did that, but reading the fine print in my lease documents it stated "unlawful firearms use prohibited in common areas".

Barring govt buildings and things of that nature, posted signs prohibiting firearms don't carry force of law (depending on location, in TX 30.06 and 30.07 do for example) and if outed you are simply asked to leave the premises. There is a phrase in the gun community: "concealed is concealed"

Might it be time for a Gun Owner's Lounge on RVF?

Quote: (06-18-2016 04:23 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

At some point, one has to decide whether the risk of having a gun outweighs the 'no guns here' sign. It's like insurance....for a long time you'll never need it, and never think about it. Then, one day, when you least expect....

.....and if you don't have it, you are fucked.

Ah, I have one.....and I'm about to move out so it doesn't affect me but I was just wondering how that affected things from a "legal" standpoint.

Will it be a trespassing charge (result of not obeying the sign ?
Will it be not charge but he'll try to evict me for "violating the sign" (despite not being on the contract)
Will nothing happen?

Edit: PBateman answered my question...

If you're asked to leave the premises and for whatever reason you refuse, then you're liable for trespassing charges. They will likely also attempt to place additional charges on you as well.

I caution apartment-renters to always be mindful of their guns and keep them locked and/or hidden anyway. You can't account for your neighbors. I've had an ex-girlfriend and her new shmuck of a boyfriend attempt to break into my place by attempting to convince my complex staff that this guy was me. Had they succeeded, my guns were the first items they'd have stolen (or at least attempted to steal--they are contained in a rather heavy safe).

Hey guys, I'm finally going to pull the trigger on getting a semi-auto rifle. The only gun I've ever owned is a bolt action hunting rifle so I'm a total neophyte to the world of "assault" weapons. Can anyone provide guidance as to what I should be looking to buy, as far as caliber and weapon family? I'm looking for something inexpensive (hopefully closer to $500 than $1k+) and reliable. No need for any fancy stuff.

With the above in mind, should I be looking at the AR family or AK47/74 family? Also, if you guys know any specific manufacturers known for reliable rifles that don't break the bank I'd be happy to hear suggestions.

Quote: (05-16-2013 02:04 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  

Marine here.

Don't learn marksmanship with a pistol. They're more difficult to shoot than rifles.

Learn the fundamentals with a .22 LR, progress from there. PM.with questions if you'd like.

I second this and I highly recommend the Appleseed Project as a place to learn rifle marksmanship. A weekend class is currently $60. They recommend using a semiautomatic 22 rifle such as a Ruger 10/22. Expect to go through 300-500 rounds over the weekend. Classes are taught all over the country by volunteers.

Fast Eddie -

What state do you live in? PM me if you want, but some states have really shit laws so that will determine what I recommend.

My standard recommendation is a Colt 6920, which is an AR-15 in 5.56x45mm. Usually run about $850-900. IMO that's nearly as cheap as it gets for a good AR-15 without building your own to some extent.

I'm don't know that much about AK brands but you should be able to find something decent for a bit cheaper than an AR, but that's not as true as it used to be. AKs have gone up quite a bit in price in the last 5-6 years.

A shotgun might be a better choice all told if you're on a tight budget. But I generally strongly encourage using a rifle for defense over a shotgun.

Edit - Forgot a word

The 6920 is an excellent example of the class and I would posit the standard to which others try and emulate.

Ive had nearly every pattern of modern military style rifle over the years. I would stay away from the AK family for several reasons.

1. Most of the parts are of foreign make and could in theory be prevented from being imported at any time with "reinterpretations" of statutes as BATF is known to do. In contrast 99%+ of the AR market is domestic to the US.

2. The manual of arms is not as easy to learn. Things like the safety, bolt hold open, poor sights, and mag changes are all inferior to the AR style. You can of course overcome these with training, but that is further down the line for a beginner.

3. While you can get an AK in 5.56x45 (Arsenal SLR-106), the 7.62x39 round is also subject to whims of regulation. Im sure some of the gun guys here remember Clinton stopping the import of Chinese steel core ammo in the 90's. Or was it Bush I? The antis are realizing that a frontal assault on the pillars of the 2A is a lose/lose for them so they are trying to sneak around and hit with flanking attacks by regulating transfers, ammo, components, etc. so making sure your logistics are solid is also very prudent in these times. What is plentiful now will not always be so.

4. 'Murica baby! There are 2 types of countries in this world. Those who use the metric system, and those who have been to the moon.

Just had to throw that last bit in there. You're going to need 5+ magazines (about $6-9/ea) and some ammo to start off, 1000 rd cases are running $309@SGAmmo so do factor those additional purchases into your cost matrix. With all the events in the world today, as well as the state of weapons manufacturing in the US there has never been a better time to get into guns.

Co-Sign on the AR platform - absolutely an american icon and SO MUCH you can do to this platform.

I built my AR from the ground up, machining an 80% lower AKA no serials or registration needed. The upper doesn't need to be registered either and you can buy cash at say a gun expo.

Everyone I go to the private range with has the AR platform of some kind, rarely do I see AK's.

6920 is a great starter rifle, you can always swap the upper receiver for something better later.

Get training, go through the basics, and go with experienced friends if you can. Military Vets or Police are a bonus if they're your friends.

Lately, I've been coming around to the 20 inch barrel on the AR as the better option in lieu of the carbine length barrels.

Quote: (06-17-2016 08:54 PM)tawm Wrote:  

But be warned, if you're just now trying to get into the gun game, you're now riding the panic with everybody else. Expect prices to double or triple, especially for blank lowers etc

Where do you buy blank lower receivers from? I have one method, but I'm curios about your angle

To answer an earlier comment, there's about five situations you can get into on carrying guns where they are not wanted.

1. You carry into your place of employment and they do not allow guns.
-You get fired, and asked to leave, and charged with trespassing if you don't.

2. You carry into a place prohibited by law from firearms carry (government building, bar, or place with a force-of-law sign in a state with force-of-law statues, like Texas.)
-You get busted for illegal carry, which I think is a misdemeanor.

3. You carry into someplace that doesn't like guns, but has no force of law signs, or not in a state that does that.
-You get asked to leave, and charged with trespassing if you don't and stick around long enough for the cops to come.

4. You carry someplace where you are allowed to, and the owner is stupid (like a hotel, or an apartment you rent.)
-You win a lawsuit.

Apartments and hotels and any sort of lodging CANNOT deny you your Constitutional rights, including the right to arms. I'm on the way out of my apartment, but, right now, there's an arsenal in here. Like, my ammo is in two different places to avoid overloading the floor. They don't know, and I have taken pains to hide it upon apartment inspection.

Quote: (07-17-2016 07:36 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Co-Sign on the AR platform - absolutely an american icon and SO MUCH you can do to this platform.

I built my AR from the ground up, machining an 80% lower AKA no serials or registration needed. The upper doesn't need to be registered either and you can buy cash at say a gun expo.

Everyone I go to the private range with has the AR platform of some kind, rarely do I see AK's.

6920 is a great starter rifle, you can always swap the upper receiver for something better later.

Get training, go through the basics, and go with experienced friends if you can. Military Vets or Police are a bonus if they're your friends.

I have a cousin who is a vet. Should I just ask him to take me through the basics and ask him what the best builds are? He was in Afghanistan, and not too long ago either.

The lifestylee section is on fire. Gotta spend more time here.
Good thread

Looking into singke action pistol and bolt action rifle.
Sig sauer p226
No idea whether bolt action is for me but want to try it out this fall

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

Cant edit my post. I meant to say *single action (SA)

Quote: (07-17-2016 07:37 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Lately, I've been coming around to the 20 inch barrel on the AR as the better option in lieu of the carbine length barrels.

Thumbs up. Unless you're planning on doing house sweeps from nine to five, seven days a week then shortening the barrel length on a .223 is really robbing the round of its potential for no real gain.

Quote: (07-18-2016 08:20 PM)toejam Wrote:  

Sig sauer p226

Good choice.

Used to have a P229. Unfortunately I got the .40 cal. Should have gotten 9mm.

I dont shoot, yet. About 45 days from having a license. What would yall recommend for a backup concealed carry. Something small and effective for the ankle holster

Quote: (07-19-2016 12:20 PM)toejam Wrote:  

I dont shoot, yet. About 45 days from having a license. What would yall recommend for a backup concealed carry. Something small and effective for the ankle holster

No. Ankle rigs are only effective for people that spend a lot of time seated. You can carry a small semi auto in a pocket with a good pocket holster. If you want to know what it's like drawing from an ankle rig stuff something in your sock, then practice dropping to one knee getting it out as fast as you can.

I don't recommend carrying a spare gun, but if you do want to, carry something very small and slim like a Ruger LCP in a wallet holster. Ankle holsters are uncomfortable and not practical. Besides, this is what happens when you try to draw from an ankle holster:






Relevant bit is at about 3:40.