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12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
I respect hookers. At least their up front about the money. Now the rest of the women? Snakes. Fuckin' snakes in the grass.
Now ain't it a cryin' shame that we live in a world where the actual honest woman (hooker) is persecuted, while the conniving bitch (all others) are set free to plunder our wallets?
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12-21-2011, 11:01 AM
Quote: (12-21-2011 10:28 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:
I respect hookers. At least their up front about the money. Now the rest of the women? Snakes. Fuckin' snakes in the grass.
Now ain't it a cryin' shame that we live in a world where the actual honest woman (hooker) is persecuted, while the conniving bitch (all others) are set free to plunder our wallets?
Now you newbies know. ^^^This^^^ is why become players.
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12-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Shiiiiiiiiiiit people.... If you divide the total $ I paid my exwife by the number of times I banged her, it would be the most expensive $/lay in my life!
No such thing as free vagina. You pay for it some way (cash, time, headaches, grief) now or later.
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12-21-2011, 02:24 PM
I could see if the question was the difference between serial dating and casual whoremongering?
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12-21-2011, 03:06 PM
I got no problem with dudes that prefer p4p, but I cannot get down with this whole notion that all sex is bought and paid for and all women are whores. Yes, you generally have to offer something of value to a woman before she spreads her legs for you, but that something of value doesn't have to be monetary value, like meals or drinks. It can be something intangible, like a gina tingle or an opportunity to release her inner slut without judgments.
At the end of the day, some dudes are all about the physical sensations and the attractiveness of the girl. Other guys like the chase, the challenge of bedding a new girl every night. Still others prefer to swoop one girl, get inside her head and keep her a round a while. To each his own and I don't really see a need to shit on someone else's preferences... unless of course his preference is fucking fat bitches. That shit has to stop!
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12-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Ho's are a ton of fun, but you have to keep P4P and non-pro chicks completely separate in your mind. The biggest danger with P4P is forgetting that it is P4P. A lot of guys who get heavy into the hooker scene start thinking of these chicks as their girlfriends. It's like they forgot that they are paying this girl and now act like they are big players.
The saddest shit I have scene is when these does go into full beta boyfriend/girlfriend mode with these girls. I have had several buddies that started banging a hooker and she went from the guy's favorita (favorite hooker) to his novia (girlfriend). The fucked up thing is that they start paying her more money and started getting less sex.
One dude went from banging this massage parlor girl regularly, to sending her money every month, even when he wasn't banging her. He told me that he was sending the money so she wouldn't have to hook anymore. The fucked up thing was that she was STILL HOOKING, she just didn't tell him. In addition, he would come down every few months and spend 3 days with her, usually taking her to a nice resort. The funniest was when he took her to one of those resorts and they got into an argument on the first day. Can you believe that she refused to fuck him for the whole trip? To top it off, at the end of the trip, she still expected to get paid, AND HE PAID HER. The bitch made $1000 in 3 days doing nothing, when that was WAY more than she made in two weeks selling her ass.
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12-22-2011, 12:56 PM
"One dude went from banging this massage parlor girl regularly, to sending her money every month, even when he wasn't banging her. He told me that he was sending the money so she wouldn't have to hook anymore. The fucked up thing was that she was STILL HOOKING, she just didn't tell him. In addition, he would come down every few months and spend 3 days with her, usually taking her to a nice resort. The funniest was when he took her to one of those resorts and they got into an argument on the first day. Can you believe that she refused to fuck him for the whole trip? To top it off, at the end of the trip, she still expected to get paid, AND HE PAID HER. The bitch made $1000 in 3 days doing nothing, when that was WAY more than she made in two weeks selling her ass."
Once a hustler, always a hustler. They can't get it out of their blood. No matter how much they make, they'll still want to make more. If dude is sending money without her having to fuck him, it's just gravy. She'll still fuck and make money on top of that. When the relationship crosses the line from business to personal, you get the emotions associated with personal relationships. Meaning, if she's mad, the first thing she'll do is withhold sex. That's what girlfriends/wives do. For him to STILL pay her was incredibly weak. He should have thrown her ass out. What's she going to do? Call the police?
It reminds me of a scene from "The American." As the hooker Clooney was banging got closer to him, she started dictating to him how she liked it, instead of the other way around. He finally had to tell her, "I come here to get pleasure, not give it."
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12-22-2011, 06:19 PM
Quote: (12-20-2011 10:41 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:
Quote: (12-19-2011 11:05 PM)Dash Global Wrote:
I prefer going to the club, meeting a female, spend zero money on her.
SNL her ass and send her on her way in the morning.
Are these whores subpar? How often are you fucking these women for "free", when you meet them in the club?I think if she knows she's hot, you're gonna have to put out ...drinks, dinner, something. Even the large sows in the club require some form of payment
Most girls I meet average between 6-8 that i SNL sin dinero
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12-22-2011, 06:27 PM
Yeah I knew Europa 2000 It was fun like maurrecos but better than Jet set or jet set 2 but still hit or miss. Those chicks were the honest ones. 20 bucks and you didn't have to waste time on them. Yeah I had days like that where I wanted to see how many I could do and with around a 150 massage parlors in San Jose there were always plenty of options My record was 8 in San Jose 5 in Curacao. Like you said it is a good memory For everyone of those places there is a guy in love with one of those girls. I read an article a while back about hookers and johns falling in love. 1 in 4 clients have an emotional attachment to a girl while half the girls say the same thing.
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12-22-2011, 06:45 PM
I"m sure this expression has been posted here before but, here it goes again: IF IT FLYS, FLOATS OR FUCKS, ITS CHEAPER TO RENT THAN BUY!!!
A perfect example of this is the following comparison between Paul McCartney and ex NY govenor Eliot Spitzer that I found online:
"I did the math on the Paul McCartney-Heather Mills divorce.
After 5 years of marriage, he paid her $49 million.
Assuming he banged her every night during their 5 year relationship, it ends up costing him $26,849 per lay, not counting attorney's fees and court costs.
On the other hand, Elliot Spitzer's (Governor of New York) call girl Kristen charges $4,000 an hour. Crazy, right?
But...
Had Paul McCartney employed Kristen for 5 years, he would've paid $7.3 million for an hour of sex every night for 5 years (a savings of $41+million).
Value-added benefits are:
a 22 year old hot babe,
no begging,
no coaxing,
never a headache,
wide open menu,
ability to put BOTH legs around you,
no *****ing and complaining or "to do" lists.
Best of all, she leaves when you're done, and comes back the next day, ready for another round. All at 1/7th the cost, with no legal fees.
Is it just me, or is it better to rent?"
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12-23-2011, 01:22 PM
You got to go ahead and let some of them girls know up front your just there to have a good time and are not paying.
Ive never had a prob doing it that way.
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12-23-2011, 05:31 PM
Quote: (12-21-2011 09:48 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:
Quote: (12-20-2011 10:07 PM)Gmac Wrote:
I have some hangups when it comes to p4p. Strippers can barely give me a boner, maybe that's weird but it's the way it is. I think it's the insincerity, which is why I know prostitutes aren't my bag. I'm also cheap, I'd rather indirectly pay for sex (drinks, etc.), as long as I think I've "earned it" I'm good.
to argue about the correlation between "P4P and insincerity" would be useless, as all prostitutes are in it to bamboozling the needy, but whores today, are just are insincere, and since we seek approval via true love, how do we distinguish reality between P4P and whores who you have to eventually pay for everything else?
It's not useless, to me.
A few reasons:
1) I need to at least believe there is a certain level of sincerity to get it up, much less enjoy it.
2) I don't get satisfaction from directly paying for favors
3) I need it to feel like I've earned it (if that means someone else buying me a prostitute and me believing she's genuine, that's fine too).
These are my personal feelings on the subject. I realize not everyone is in the same boat. I don't care of I indirectly pay for it with time, booze, whatever. I'm cool with that.
In my own way of rationalizing it, paying for sex is like using cheat codes to beat a video game. I don't get any satisfaction from that, and it doesn't have anything to do with trying to be "noble" or something. Capiche?
Again, I don't care what other guys want to do or how guys who pay for sex rationalize it (whether it's part of their culture or not). That's their prerogative.
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12-24-2011, 01:43 AM
There's no comparison between a hooker and a girl who's genuinely attracted to you
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12-24-2011, 04:03 AM
Enjoying the challenge that comes with picking up women more than the sex itself makes me wonder just how much of an ego investment you have made in the whole thing.
You feel better about yourself because she decided she likes you enough to fuck you? I feel good about myself when I plaster her face with cum because I like to bust a nut over a pretty face. I really could not give a crap what she thinks about me. Im so indifferent to their feelings about anything these days there is zero validation for me in fucking a broad. This whole challenge thing is nothing more than putting women and their sexual choices on some sort of pedestal. Half of them are so vapid and simple minded that I cannot take them any more seriously than I take children most of the time. I admit that I have zero respect for them. Their sexual choices are are fucked up to the extreme. Guys like me carve them up while the good guys who would treat them well get treated with disdain and contempt. How do you have any respect for their destructive, selfish habits and almost retarded like approach to everything in life, to the point that you care enough about whether she actually likes you or not?
Russian and a lot of EE women for me are a different story to a degree, but that has more to do with their extreme femininity which I cant help but end up growing a bit more attached to. Their affection has a sense genuineness to it without the drama and bullshit for the most part. Makes me wonder if that unbridled honesty in their approach to men is why so many men think them gold diggers or materialistic.
Its an itch I scratch though, and if she is cool enough to spend a bit of time with for a while thats just a really nice bonus. I dont have the time to jump through hoops or any extended chasing these days and there really is more important shit to be worried about.
Im saving the whores for when/if I marry or when my 50 year old ass cant pick up 22 year old hotties with any regularity. I have friends who are using hookers with more and more regularity these days and its hard to dispute how much sense it does make at times. Most of the senior execs and really successful business people I know and have met over the years are pretty much all banging hookers on the regular too. Its safer than having to deal with the chase that can cause problems with marriages, relationships and reputations.
When you actually value the amount of money it costs to screw a decent hooker, you are probably not in the right sort of place to criticise the wealthy men who do. It goes the same for a dude who is blowing his savings on trips to Thailand or Colombia so he can whore it up. If you are screwing hookers because you cant actually meet and bang women from time to time without paying for it directly, you have a few problems in your life thats for sure.
I will say this though. I liken men who cant pick up decent looking women and turn to prostitutes as their only opportunity for sex as being no different to men who fuck fatties and beasts come closing time at the club. The latter though will think himself above the former when in reality they are both bottom of the barrel. One pays double to eat at the same buffet and is made to eat in the corner, the other raids the garbage can when everyone went home.
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12-24-2011, 04:23 AM
honestly who cares if he wants to pay for it or wants to fuck a fatty, as long as the person enjoys it. sure it feels good when a hot girl fucks cause she likes you but i won't lie i had some great sex with hookers. cause i get to choose the girl that i want.