There is a stigma associated with the words emotion, emotional and feelings and that stigma seems to block people from understanding what these words actually mean.

Most men and feminists get angry if someone suggests they are emotional. This is silly since all humans are emotional including the people who try to rationalize that they aren't emotional.

A few examples of emotions that I don't want to live without - excitement, gratitude, happiness, joy, love, passion, pleasure

It is better to understand emotions than to falsely claim that you aren't emotional. Understanding emotions allows you to minimize or maximize your emotions depending on the situation.

Minimize fear and maximize aggressiveness when you are trying to accomplish something or get out of your comfort zone. Emotion is typically the driving force behind motivation.

Focus on your confidence and calmness when approaching an attractive woman.

Enjoy the pleasure of having sex with an attractive woman.

Use disappointment and frustration to learn and improve.

Lists of human emotions:
http://www.self-improvement-mentor.com/l...ions.html/
http://www.the-emotions.com/list-of-emotions.html

An old Roissy blog on love

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No one goes on vacation thinking of the long ride home.

What is unique about love is that it alone among all the human desires defines by its absence the utterly meaningless life. With love, the poor person can feel rich as if the struggles of his survival were minor inconveniences. With love, the old person forgets his age. With love, the young person sheds his angst. A man can amass a kingdom’s fortune and an emperor’s power but without love his worldly successes stand like hollow totems to unhappiness. What good is anything if it doesn’t ultimately reach a conclusion in love? The wealthy businessman who spends all his hours in his office and wastes his years whistling past the grave being too busy for love is a loser no less than the unloved degenerate street bum. Sushi tastes better than a 20 dollar bill.

The mischievous thing about love is that as vital as it is to a fulfilling stint in consciousness, it mocks its own importance with reminders that it rests precariously on a foundation of some very banal preconditions. People fall out of love and it is rarely for lofty reasons. A man loves a woman until she gains 50 pounds. A woman loves a man until he loses his job and goes unemployed for months on end. And when that pretty face turns ashen and carved with the years will it really be love anymore? Those crass attraction buttons still have to be pressed for love to appear and then to sustain itself. Self-delusion about the dirty business behind love is not only required, it’s inevitable. Why ruin the fun by obsessing over the dull ride home?

A lot of seducers mistakenly think that love is a garnish to the main course of pursuing and winning the hearts of women. They compartmentalize — it’s a bonus to feel love, but damned if they’ll let that get in the way of the good times. The worst thing to happen to a guy who gets ass regularly is not rejection (after all, rejection is the badge of honor worn by womanizers) but falling in one-sided love. Or, similarly, falling in love only to have his woman dump him. Getting dumped is part of the game, and can be expertly handled, especially if there are fallback options. But the alpha who succumbs to the folly of love opens himself up so completely that state control is no longer his prerogative. He risks everything, including his most cherished asset… his trust.

This is the wrong way of approaching relationships. It’s fine to be calculating about the pick up, and the dating, and even the relationship management, but attempting to corral as thermonuclear an emotion as love is only going to light the fuse on the bomb. I’ve seen many players sabotage their relationships with really great girls who had captured their hearts because they feared losing control under the chaos of being in love. They put all this effort into bedding her and making her fall for them that they lost sight of the main objective. A man can be all alpha but if he doesn’t cash it in for the ultimate prize he’s revealed the beta at his core.

I once lost a girl I loved. The rush of pain was so intense even a fight club pummeling couldn’t have distracted me from it. But I didn’t stoically shrug it off. I threw glasses at the wall. I broke things. I smashed up my apartment.

If you aren’t smashing stuff after losing a lover you don’t know the pleasure of relinquishing everything for love.

I'd like to express my thoughts on this significant topic.

'Game' is an extremely nebulous word, certainly too nebulous to address this important topic. The dictionary definition of 'game' is "a form of competitive activity or sport played according to rules". It's too broad to do more than refute the idea that getting girls is just 'magic' or 'luck', and assert that it is a competitive activity and follows certain rules.

Sex and love are two different, but overlapping, aims. Hence, the 'games' that are played to achieve those aims are also different, and to some extent pull in different directions.

The standard strategy for getting a lot of sex is straightforward: go where girls put out. Go into the clubs and the bars, where you can find chicks willing to do one-nighters and put out on the first date. Go to countries where chicks get sexually active early and put out easy. Hit on drunk chicks. Get on tinder and dating websites which disproportionately draw certain types of girls. Then screen hard and push for sex quickly.

An insightful anecdote on this comes from LINUX, when he mentioned hanging out with some guys in Colombia, and they started showing pics of girls they'd banged and asking "have you guys done this one?" and getting choruses of "yep".

Love is not something you can do. It is something that can be triggered in you, and which you can allow to happen.

For this reason, the strategy for getting love differs in several ways. Firstly, you're not finding it in the same place that you're getting an easy lay. Men do not fall in love with a drunken one-nighter. Men do not fall in love with an easy girl unless they don't have enough wisdom to recognize that she's easy. Men do not fall in love with boorish loud-mouth arrogant chicks. Those things simply do not trigger the love instinct regardless of how hot the chick is, they preclude it.

Love is basically a level above respect. Respect is not something you can do or be compelled to do (regardless of what your school teachers told you). It is an instinctual response to someone embodying the values you hold. Love is a deeper level than that. It could perhaps be expanded in definition to "deep sexual respect" (using a broad definition of sexual, i.e. "between sexes", not "carnal"). The multi-part source of what triggers this is difficult to express, but I'll make an attempt.

The woman who triggers love is naturally and expressively feminine and innocent in coherence with his specific (not society's) ideals of intelligence*, beauty, and character. This, and the equivalent male counter-part, is what I suspect creates the 'connection' people nebulously talk about. If a man meets a woman like this, and does not 'screen her out' because she is too shy to go to bed with him, and persists, then that is the course to love. That is what awakens the man to the feeling that "this one is special", which eventually burrows into his emotions and transforms to its visceral counterpart of 'love'.***

*I'm of the opinion that the word 'intelligence' is too broad, and that there should be a different word to describe 'highly functioning brain' for each gender. Even 'feminine intelligence' is too clumsy because it implies two things happening together rather than a single phenomenon. The structure of men's and women's brains is very different [1] and expresses itself differently. In this case of women, I surmise that this is expressed by smooth fluid responsive appropriate/natural emotional transitions, freely expressed and with high dynamic range, coupled with a 'default happiness'. The way I describe observing this is feeling like "her brain is singing".

***Plus hitting it raw when the sex finally happens. Can you imagine the consummation of such a courtship involving the guy putting a sensationless rubber barrier between them?

Which leads to the spectra that affect the odds of this happening:
- Is your city full of sluts who ride 10 dicks before they turn 15, or women who wait until marriage?
- Does your society encourage cultural sexual androgyny, or polarization?
- Are you chasing the kind of woman you think will be impressive or acceptable to others, or what you truly viscerally want?
- Are you indulging in your sexual impatience by trying to bang club sluts, or are you deliberately trekking into the edges and the nooks of society to find and tenaciously pursue the untouched girls of ladylike reserve?
- Are you able to communicate with her deeply enough to see her subsurface traits, or are you hacking your way through a conversation with a smartphone translator? **

** Most difficult truth for me to stomach. Language acquisition was never my strong point.

Finally, any guy who claims that love is weak or pathetic (aka 'beta'), is either a keyboard alpha who hasn't grown up, is confused over the difference between "requited" and "pointless chasing of the unrequited", or has been so embittered by life that he genuinely sees avoiding feelings of love as a necessary for survival.

The antidote for the first two is time, experience, and introspection. The antidote for the last is expanding your horizons.

Anyway I hope this made sense and wasn't too vague. It also goes without saying that in either case your success will be improved by being as attractive as you can possibly be.

[1] http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/males...structures

Damn solid post Phoenix.

What if you meet an easy girl that, despite her easiness, fits your ideal well and you get that visceral response?

Would you try to shut love down?

Its important to distinguish between passionate love and companionate love. Passionate love just happens. Its a chemical reaction. Its the "madly in love" thing or the "falling in love" sensation. You are effectively on an extended cocaine binge when this happens.

The second love, companionate love, that takes cultivation. It takes skills to manage and to evolve. It also takes a commitment to the cause.

It is less of a rush but a greater overall return over time.

Passionate love has danger points, like at the top of the peak. Thats when people elope or get tattoos of their lover's names on their faces. This is also when a man who knows intellectually that the woman isn't worthy of long term companionate love, yet still makes moves to draw her closer and bind him to her like moving in together or having a baby.

And if the guy wants long term companionate love to grow from passionate - then he must learn how to manage the inflection points between the two.

Sometimes men (and women) ditch otherwise acceptable long term partners when the 'spark' wears off, or the intense rush of feelings subsides, mistakenly believing that love is done and gone when in actuality it is just transition from one form to the other.

Love is like anything else, we need to learn about it, develop a tool box and be effective at self reflection and course correction along the way.

If you can do all that, and come to the relationship with your status already maximized (game internalized, all that) you'll have more than a fighting chance of succeeding.

- Jack

Quote: (11-26-2015 01:57 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

Damn solid post Phoenix.

What if you meet an easy girl that, despite her easiness, fits your ideal well and you get that visceral response?

Would you try to shut love down?

Great point, especially for the over 40s date scene.

If you are looking for a LTR in this group, you just know they have ridden 100+ cocks. I try not to think about it, but sometimes they hint at it...

People "Love" for many different reasons. A guy can really be "in love" with a bitchy, slut. The underlying reasons for it are different from the guy who loves the sweet, good-girl.

Love isn't good, love isn't patient, love isn't kind, but love is life's greatest teacher because it's lessons are the most harsh. If you don't know yourself and your lover well, life will punish you severely.

A parent will take a bullet for their child because of love. An adult will also kill their lover out of love. Their are two sides to it.

You can't be "in-love" without also being vulnerable. If you don't feel vulnerable, then you're not in-love.

Everyone wants to be in-love, but they also want to be-loved. One problem with love is you can't have it both ways.

While traveling I met a very young and pretty 'provincial' girl, meaning she comes from a very traditional and patriarchal family. She is very smart, feminine and has worked since she was 9 years old. Now at 21 she is in college. Family-oriented, prefers to spend time with her parents and siblings instead of traveling during holidays.

For a guy accustomed to city-hardened women, this is a breath of fresh air. I know I won't be pursuing a relationship with her, maybe a short fling, but then that wouldn't be as feasible as usual because she might even be a virgin now. Thinking of a 35 y/o version of myself, I would gladly marry a girl like her, because I know she would make a good mother, housekeeper and loyal lover.

My take on this is: love will come when you find a woman fit for love.

Timely thread.

I'll share a strange story that happened the other day. My gal and I wake up to each other every day with a smile. Life is pretty great, and we have a lot of fun. We are both vocal and physical about our affections for one another. On the previous night we had a very minor disagreement, which we worked out before going to sleep. In the morning, there was an intense tenderness between us. After a while, she got up to make us breakfast. I came into the kitchen soon after, and she turned to kiss me. I sometimes pick her up to embrace her, but this time I just swept her off her feet and lay her on the floor, gently. I settled over her and kissed her, very long and slow. When I pulled my head up, she had a slight smile, but her eyes were welling up. At first I thought something might be wrong, so I went to ask... but found that my eyes were welling up as well. We lay there on the kitchen floor, holding each other, locked in gaze, on the verge of tears. She smiled more and more as she said "I just love you so much". I also felt the same way, and said so. We were both absolutely humming with this weird wave of exhausting, blissful energy. I have never shared random tears of joy with someone like that. Days later we are still talking about how strange and intense a moment it was.

Yes, being cold and not caring immediately draws people to you, in their need to impress you or get a reaction. Yes, you can draw out emotion in others while remaining totally composed yourself. Yes, if you get invested in anything, when it passes it will hurt. But there is something about openness and synchronicity in a romance, that one can have a bit of reverence for it...

Love is another name for oxytocin, which can be purchased in form of a nasal spray.

It facilitates long term attachments and is basically what gives women that "I want to have his babies" feeling.
It's naturally far more present in women and children than men.

It also enhances tribal loyalty - a room full of old veterans listening to a speech are soaked in oxytocin.
In Stockholm Syndrome situations, oxytocin facilitates capture bonding on part of the hostages, and makes their captors respond in kind.
A realistic cinematic example is Three Days of the Condor. The woman initially taken hostage experiences a spike in oxytocin as she begins to sympathise, and becomes a willing collaborator.

Mystery advises a period of comfort building after you've displayed high value - which could be taken as meaning that displaying strength, then offering friendship, produces love.
The captors take control of the hostages, displaying their strength, and eventually offer food and some dignities, which the hostages are strangely grateful for. They become more personal with each other, call each other by name. Stockholm Syndrome sets in.

Abused girls have a higher oxytocin response to stress.
http://news.wisc.edu/21970
Meaning that they are primed to bond to the strongest man in the vicinity, even if he is her abuser.
It also means that when they react to a fight between men, they are ready to cling to whoever wins.

Love and tribal loyalty are intertwined. But the objects of love and loyalty can change.
Oxytocin is the fuel of marriage and patriotism, and also infidelity and betrayal.

Genghis Khan did not feel the need to settle down with his best shot at happiness, or huddle in a room with his old buddies.
It's a conservative, risk-averse, subservient, feminine approach.

There is no "Elephant in the Room"

We have been debating this topic for many years now.

Some guys denied "love", they said all women are whores, they said love was "beta" -- Their posts reeked of bitterness and desperation.

The jaded, frustrated, masses of average men huddled together online to denounce the existence of love. Their posts reeked of frustration and loneliness.

Some of us have been more accepting of "love". We argued that a healthy dose of "love" can be necessary, even beneficial for man.

Remember? We're the guys who said -- "not all women are like that".

The elephant is in a different room. The elephant is in the room filled with beta extremists -- They rationalize why they don't need "love", they justify their own frustrations, they wallow in their own generalizations

They refuse to acknowledge the elephant.

I left that room many years ago.



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Roosh and I have debated this before:

Quote: (07-06-2014 04:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

the more we think that our relationships with them will give happiness or fulfillment, the more we will be disappointed.

My reply:

Quote: (07-09-2014 05:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I'm going to play "devils advocate" a bit here..

My relationships with women give me great "happiness" and "fulfillment".

I enjoy the sex, intimacy, and companionship. I enjoy the emotions that female companionship gives me.

I don't think its healthy to "switch off" our emotions and try to NOT feel them.

I would say that we just need to be in better control of our emotions. Don't pedestalize them, fall madly in love too early, and give them power over your emotional well being.

Take a more tactful approach.

Connect with women enough so that they can ADD to your happiness. But, don't connect with them so much that if they reject you, your overall level of happiness will be shattered.

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Quote: (07-06-2014 04:56 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

playing the game without emotional attachment is just plain fun.

My reply:

Quote: (07-09-2014 05:25 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Again, I think no emotion is dull and unhealthy.

Illogical emotion is dangerous.

A healthy, appropriate level of emotion is fun, sexy, and exciting.

Give emotional investments in small increments.

If she doesn't reciprocate, stop investing.

I am careful with my emotional investments but, honestly, I don't mind getting hurt a little bit. I know its part of the game. I can handle it without getting depressed.

Risk and reward are what make the game fun.

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A few years ago, sports legend Micheal Jordan got married.

Many "love denialists" criticized him for doing so.

I sensed his need for "love":

Quote: (12-30-2011 03:10 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Let the man have some love his life.

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Romantic "love" is like any other drug, enjoy it in moderation but don't rely on it for your overall happiness and well being.

Love is one of the greatest feelings in the world. There's a reason it's the most popular topic for songs. Love, or more accurately, love lost, is also one of the worst feelings in life. The pain of love lost is enough for some to guard their hearts from ever falling in love again. Others say it's better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.

The topic of love can be considered in and of itself, but it is also closely tied with other red pill issues such as the risk of divorce, and the lower quality of modern women.

I would say that we should desire to experience love, and we should have the kind of options and outcome independence that takes some of the sting out of love lost, and gives us confidence and optimism to look for love again. Once you reach this conclusion, you have your strategy. Everything else is tactics.

As to the tactics of love, I think it is necessary to use red pill knowledge. You have to lead the relationship. You have to create an emotional experience for her, that she desires and becomes addicted to. I believe in this day and age, you have to hold back from telling her how strongly you feel. If you are having rapturous feelings of love, and are feeling like she's the center of your universe, and never want this to change, I feel like you have to keep some of this to yourself. You may feel like you'd do anything, just to have her attention and to make her happy, but you have to make a point to be demanding of her. You can't tell her how incredibly meaningful she is to you. It is likely to scare her away, and make you seem weak to her.

To summarize, I'd say to seek love, and experience it as fully as you can, but partially hide the depth of your feelings and romantic experience from her. Use game knowledge to manage the relationship, to prevent your natural instinctual love behavior from harming her attraction from you. As the LTR progresses, be especially cautious not to let yourself be betafied.

I will make one final point. It is best for the man to lead the relationship, but at some point, if you agree to become partners and mates for life, then she is hitching her wagon to your wagon train, and in return, she will have some desires and demands for the quality of her life. I consider this legitimate. She will pressure you to provide more, for her and for the children, especially if she is a stay at home mother to your children. Again, I think this is fair, and you have to respect her desires to a reasonable degree. The best approach as a man is to excel enough financially to provide at least a comfortable middle class lifestyle, with two new cars every 4-5 years, an attractive house in a decent neighborhood, and money for some nice things and fun activities.

The smart thing to do is make more than you need to afford this lifestyle, then lead the relationship to let her know that this is what you have decided is right for the family. Then, you make sure to sock away the excess income, to ensure that you are truly secure financially. If you do this, then you are providing her and your children with financial security, and a good quality of life. Once you have these out of the way, then you can focus on the day to day emotional experience that she enjoys under your leadership.

We've all agreed that long term happy marriages are rare, but they do exist, and they generally follow the pattern above.

Quote: (11-27-2015 02:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

There is no "Elephant in the Room"

We have been debating this topic for many years now.

Some guys denied "love", they said all women are whores, they said love was "beta" -- Their posts reeked of bitterness and desperation.

The jaded, frustrated, masses of average men huddled together online to denounce the existence of love. Their posts reeked of frustration and loneliness.

Some of us have been more accepting of "love". We argued that a healthy dose of "love" can be necessary, even beneficial for man.

Romantic "love" is like any other drug, enjoy it in moderation but don't rely on it for your overall happiness and well being.

What you're talking about are the 3 levels of attachment:
1. Emotionally Independent:The lone wolf. Very little emotional investment or connection to others. Relies on no one for happiness/intimacy.

2. Emotionally Codependent: The other extreme. Very reliant on others for emotional stability, happiness and intimacy(i.e. extremely needy)

3.Emotionally Interdependent: The Middle ground. Relationships are healthy and mutually supportive
however individuals retain their own sense of purpose and emotional wellbeing. While you enjoy fulfilling love/intimacy
you also are strong emotionally and spiritually when left alone.

The problem, I suspect, is that it can be difficult to find genuine love and affection.

That depends on finding a quality person who genuinely cares about you. However if you
are emotionally immature or you date others who are emotionally immature (or damaged)
or you don't screen carefully, it's going to be tough to find the love you're looking for.

As for disappointment. That will happen from time to time. However it can be tempered
with good judgement and measured expectations.

Good long term plan is to keep your shit together for your own happiness and not be afraid of relationships. Try LTR with those cool girls you happen to meet. Break up if it doesn't work and try again when opportunity comes.

And WIA is absolutely right. Relationships, being in love, good times and bad times together etc teaches you so much about women and game. I can't imagine a guy who calls himself player who has never lived with a woman. To be good with woman you have to be around them a lot.

On the subject of emotion.
I may do the aloof thing very, very well & being as emotionless
as possible appeals to me in certain ways.
Yet I know full well, humans are not robots & will encounter / experience emotion whether desired or not.

Case in point, an interview with Leonard Nimoy where he detailed that in spending sixteen hours per day playing an emotionless
alien character back in the 60's.
Which entailed actively suppressing his own human emotions.
Eventually matters took their toll, whereby he would burst out in great emotion at either no provocation or very slight provocation.

Another example, those that are prescribed anti-depressants which suppress their emotion.
Have a higher suicide rate when their use of SSRI's are stopped, due to all that suppressed emotion being released on mass.

Quote: (11-26-2015 01:57 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

What if you meet an easy girl that, despite her easiness, fits your ideal well and you get that visceral response?

Would you try to shut love down?

Doesn't sound like a likely scenario. But in that hypothetical scenario, yes I would. Sometimes you just have to have the fortitude to walk away and not to walk further into the trap. This weeks pleasure isn't worth next years crushing anger or pain.

Quote: (11-27-2015 08:30 AM)dispenser Wrote:  

Genghis Khan did not feel the need to settle down with his best shot at happiness, or huddle in a room with his old buddies.
It's a conservative, risk-averse, subservient, feminine approach.

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Börte (simply Borte, also Börte Üjin; Cyrillic: Бөртэ үжин; c. 1161–1230) was the first wife of Temüjin, who became Genghis Khan, the founder of the Mongol Empire. Börte became the head of the first Court of Genghis Khan, and Grand Empress of his Empire. Little is known about the details of her early life, but she was betrothed to him at a young age, married at 17, and then kidnapped by a rival tribe. The decision by her husband to rescue her may have been one of the key decisions that started him on his path to conquer the world. She gave birth to four sons and five daughters, who, along with their own descendants, were the key bloodline which further expanded the Mongol Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6rte

So he kinda had his feet in both worlds.

It is nice to meet and connect with women who evoke love and feelings in you. For me, it is a metaphysical quotient as well as chemicals.

Any man who denies this, is either completely blocked, or hasn't met a woman who evokes these feelings in him - or both. That is not a judgement, I think it is quite common.

What we are seeing in the west are these MGTOW's who probably represent this factor, who resist the effort involved in going for nilhisitic sex and connections with women that they do think is not worth the hassle and result - which may be a good proportian of women in the west. At the very least, it is much harder to find these women in the west in my experience.

I don't think there is an elephant in the room, unless you are just attempting to be a stone cold player or are 18 years old.

Many of us here have fallen in love, maybe a few times.

Attachment is always the killer, it is not really love that is the issue!

I'm reading Zan Perrion's "Alabaster Girl" for the 2nd time and getting a lot out of a 2nd reading, I think he really elaborates his way, which is being with many women in a romantic and loving context.

Someday I will really understand this topic. I have theories about love that will likely change in time.

There is a difference between just loving a woman and feeling loved by a woman.

When you start out you are doing a lot of the loving and as you progress in the game you are feeling loved a lot more.

When I was younger I could love girls despite not feeling loved. Now love for me is more of a product of feeling loved. The best moments in my relationship are when my girl does something that makes me stop and realize how much she loves me.

On the other side of the coin you have lust.

I've had bouts with nihilism after really getting into the red pill, but those lustful encounters pulled me out of it. I just couldn't help but to get caught up in it. Those shaky roller coasters to the absolute top of the emotional spectrum could give you a reason to live even if you needed one.

You've got to master both love and lust as a player if you really want to enjoy the ride.

Love IS the greatest experience in life, and is more precious than anything else you could possibly have or achieve. Although watching that your emotions don't take over and destroy your game, a bond like this should be protected and not easily discarded, as it will be the absolute highlight of your entire life.

I would take love with the right girl over sex with a harem of 20 supermodels (though ample sexual experience is necessary to know how to find and protect this bond). It truly is that valuable. Only those who have never had the privilige of experiencing it would disagree.

Quote: (12-01-2015 11:18 PM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

Love IS the greatest experience in life, and is more precious than anything else you could possibly have or achieve. Although watching that your emotions don't take over and destroy your game, a bond like this should be protected and not easily discarded, as it will be the absolute highlight of your entire life.

I would take love with the right girl over sex with a harem of 20 supermodels (though ample sexual experience is necessary to know how to find and protect this bond). It truly is that valuable. Only those who have never had the privilige of experiencing it would disagree.

Well let me say this boys.

I moved to a new city just 2 months ago and have gotten 4 notches so far. 5, 5, 7, and 8 just for reference (yeah the 5's were low hanging fruit whatever). The 7 I just banged 2 days ago and it kinda put me over the edge.

I met this girl in the hallway in my apartment building. I thought she was really cute so I got her number and we hung out later that week. "Hanging out" was having a glass of wine at her place, relaxing in the community jacuzzi, then her inviting me back up to her apartment to netflix and chill basically. We started fooling around on her couch while watching a Sean Penn movie on a laptop and in my head I was honestly thinking "Man, I hope she turns me down for sex..." soon enough she whispers "want to go in my bedroom?" Sigh.

"sure..."

Had some lame sex with Trojan condoms so I didn't feel shit and hardly enjoyed it. Spent the night and the next day she gives me a peck and says she had a great time as I'm leaving. She ghosts me when I text her after. I will never see her again besides the awkward run in in the hall from time to time now.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm getting a tired of banging random broads and not seeing them again. I'm getting tired of these easy sluts that put out the first night I meet them and want nothing to do beyond that. I honestly would like to meet a nice chick that just wants to hang. I'm at a point now where sex is sex whatever. I know I can bang some decent strange pretty regularly if I want to, but it's just not worth it anymore.

I mean maybe my LTR game sucks because girls don't want to stick around with me whatever, or maybe I'm looking at things through tunnel vision because I'm particularly miffed by this ONS that was disappointing, but I know I've been feeling this in the back of my head for a little while now and it's getting louder.

The times I've been in love with a girl were the best times in my life with the most intense and apparent feelings of happiness. The heartache part was shitty sure, but you get over it. I'd like to have that love feeling back

Quote: (12-02-2015 01:14 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Quote: (12-01-2015 11:18 PM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

Love IS the greatest experience in life, and is more precious than anything else you could possibly have or achieve. Although watching that your emotions don't take over and destroy your game, a bond like this should be protected and not easily discarded, as it will be the absolute highlight of your entire life.

I would take love with the right girl over sex with a harem of 20 supermodels (though ample sexual experience is necessary to know how to find and protect this bond). It truly is that valuable. Only those who have never had the privilige of experiencing it would disagree.

Well let me say this boys.

I moved to a new city just 2 months ago and have gotten 4 notches so far. 5, 5, 7, and 8 just for reference (yeah the 5's were low hanging fruit whatever). The 7 I just banged 2 days ago and it kinda put me over the edge.

I met this girl in the hallway in my apartment building. I thought she was really cute so I got her number and we hung out later that week. "Hanging out" was having a glass of wine at her place, relaxing in the community jacuzzi, then her inviting me back up to her apartment to netflix and chill basically. We started fooling around on her couch while watching a Sean Penn movie on a laptop and in my head I was honestly thinking "Man, I hope she turns me down for sex..." soon enough she whispers "want to go in my bedroom?" Sigh.

"sure..."

Had some lame sex with Trojan condoms so I didn't feel shit and hardly enjoyed it. Spent the night and the next day she gives me a peck and says she had a great time as I'm leaving. She ghosts me when I text her after. I will never see her again besides the awkward run in in the hall from time to time now.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm getting a tired of banging random broads and not seeing them again. I'm getting tired of these easy sluts that put out the first night I meet them and want nothing to do beyond that. I honestly would like to meet a nice chick that just wants to hang. I'm at a point now where sex is sex whatever. I know I can bang some decent strange pretty regularly if I want to, but it's just not worth it anymore.

I mean maybe my LTR game sucks because girls don't want to stick around with me whatever, or maybe I'm looking at things through tunnel vision because I'm particularly miffed by this ONS that was disappointing, but I know I've been feeling this in the back of my head for a little while now and it's getting louder.

The times I've been in love with a girl were the best times in my life with the most intense and apparent feelings of happiness. The heartache part was shitty sure, but you get over it. I'd like to have that love feeling back

What percentage of girls are you failing to keep?

I'm currently not seeing anyone so 100%

The 8 that I banged when I first moved here I was actually sort of seeing for a month or so. We hung out about once a week but she faded away and gave me the "I just need to focus on myself" text a couple weeks ago.

EDIT: I'll give you a little more meat. In the past I'd say 2 and a half years or so I've hooked up with around 25 different girls. Of those 25, I'd say only about 2 or 3 of them wanted to stick around but I chose to drop them.

Quote: (12-02-2015 01:39 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I'm currently not seeing anyone so 100%

The 8 that I banged when I first moved here I was actually sort of seeing for a month or so. We hung out about once a week but she faded away and gave me the "I just need to focus on myself" text a couple weeks ago.

You must be doing something wrong. My experience is that many sluts want exactly what you indicated in your previous post. "Chill, hang, fuck" is how one described it. Women are far more emotional than men, and I believe are simply incapable of fucking around psychopathically without feeling deeply unhappy. However, the West also provides post-sex rates, similar to pre-sex rates. Think of Russian girls, all of whom have love at the forefront of their minds. And yet you still get flaked on. It doesn't mean that the girls who flake are psychopaths who are incapable of any emotion, the motivation for her flake could be virtually anything. The only difference between chaste Russian girls and Western sluts is that a slut will often fuck you even when she knows she can't follow up. The Russian one won't (excluding Russian sluts). Hence these rates show up pre-sex, and not post-sex.

A good example was with a Spanish slut not long ago, she was talking about love and unintentionally making it clear to me she actually want more than one night. But I was perhaps a bit too rough sexually with her (some girls take it, some don't), so she stopped the sex mid-way. Never heard from her again. There are a platoon of reasons. She doesn't like the sex. She has exams coming up and can't follow up. There was no natural connection. I could go on forever. But it doesn't change what these women actually want. At one point of the year you could keep a girl as a fuckbuddy for months, at another the same girl will flake on you because of whatever is going on in her life.

It doesn't take long to realize how these women actually think. A good look into that is Elite Daily. Essentially every post written by a woman (all of them American sluts) is about love. Women are not men, they don't operate like men and never will. You will have post-sex rates, but it doesn't mean the girl is an unemotional psychopath, just like pre-sex rates don't mean that. Many times you will be able to keep sluts, and as one's game gets better, you see women going to absolute sexual extremes to please you, even putting themselves through some pretty hardcore pain, just because they are starved of affection. If you look closely you can see that many Western women are simply desperate and have a self-esteem that is utterly opposed to their fake external bravado. It is a complex issue that takes a long time to fully understand.

I think that with good game you really should be able to keep at least half of girls after sex. In Russia more than 90%.

However, what you speak of isn't really love. What Roosh talks about is that strong emotional connection you have once or twice in a lifetime. When this happens, it will always work, unless you fuck up big time. The emotions are too strong on both sides.

I'll dissent with the above.

Western women are desperate, but only for guys they have no legit shot at, because they've been told that they do.

Remember, without external constraints, most women would rather cry over an asshole (Elite Daily) than be bored by a reliable guy (at least until about 30). As CH put it:

"5 minutes of Alpha trumps 50 years of Beta."

Quote: (12-02-2015 02:52 AM)262 Wrote:  

I'll dissent with the above.

Western women are desperate, but only for guys they have no legit shot at, because they've been told that they do.

Remember, without external constraints, most women would rather cry over an asshole (Elite Daily) than be bored by a reliable guy (at least until about 30). As CH put it:
"5 minutes of Alpha trumps 50 years of Beta."

Be alpha then. Naturally everything I write takes female hypergamy into account. Women would shave their heads for Stanley the psychopath, but probably not for Eugene the faggot.

I love hypergamy, because it means that any girl I date will likely not even want to fuck other men. Hypergamy binds her to you. She can go on a date with some other dude, but when she realizes he is an utter faggot compared to me, that works to my advantage. Women will only go for another option if the other option is higher-value. And if you have worked your whole life to max out your value, she will have an extremely hard time finding a guy that is better than you. The behaviour of a studied player is scientific. It simply does not exist in nature. If you saw how other men truly behave around women, especially hot women, and even men who from a distance you think of as alpha, you'd be shocked.

Any man can do it, you have no excuses. The problem is that conventional game advice is not enough, and is what I would call purple-pill. The highest form of game is dark triad, psychopathy, and other things I won't mention here as I will likely get banned. The community won't fully go there out of a fear of getting labeled by outsiders. But as a man, if you want to truly have your results with women explode, you should make this the absolute center of your game. Roissy doesn't go into it deeply enough, this is just an introduction, but the player must experiment with this until he has revealed to himself everything there is to know about the topic. Reference: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/02/...ath-game/.