Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

Young Australian male travellers fall strictly into two categories.

The bogan package tourist: goes to Kuta, Phuket, Las Vegas etc. starts drinking at 10 pursues drugs, gets so fucked ends up either passing out, fucking a fat bitch or a hooker

The backpacker; travels solo or with his girlfriend. Absolute beta, listens to triple J and thinks he is the shit because he believes in feminism. Hipsters or Uni students usually.

I think Americans follow very similar lines.

This type of shaming happens in the US as well. It's pure envy in my opinion. Tell a girl you fucked a few girls in Colombia or SE Asia, and she'll assume that this girl lived in a shack without running water/electricity or something and you were "taking advantage" of them. We all know this is far from the truth.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:26 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

Young Australian male travellers fall strictly into two categories.

The bogan package tourist: goes to Kuta, Phuket, Las Vegas etc. starts drinking at 10 pursues drugs, gets so fucked ends up either passing out, fucking a fat bitch or a hooker

The backpacker; travels solo or with his girlfriend. Absolute beta, listens to triple J and thinks he is the shit because he believes in feminism. Hipsters or Uni students usually.

I think Americans follow very similar lines.

I would agree with this. I'd say per capita WE as Americans are far less traveled in world. But the ones that leave the "bogan package tour" tend to branch out far more then other anglo countries.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:26 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

I think Americans follow very similar lines.

Pretty much. Can't really bag on aussies too much really because i've seen a lot of Americans who exhibit identical behavior. The people always willing to start trouble (drama) abroad seem to overwhelmingly be from the anglosphere too.

I think Brits may actually be the worst when it comes to drunken antics overseas but Aussies are close behind.

The stigma exists in the UK too – East Asian women are not even on the radar over there…There’s not many around, and I grew up finding them unattractive. There’s still a big “mail order bride” stigma with some people.

Until I moved to the US nearly a decade ago. I remember calling my brother and complaining that a lot of the women in my grad school were Chinese. Now I’ve been in Los Angeles a few years, I can’t get enough of them.

Aussies are definitely big travellers, I remember seeing busloads of them in India.

I mentioned on RVF before about an Aussie guy who put his profile on dating website in Los Angeles. This guy’s got a good job, about 6ft tall, in shape, surfs etc. He said 200 women contacted him in a week.

Personally I stay the fuck away from Anglosphere women.

These Aussie posts are some of my favorites on the boards.
It's such an alien culture to me.

WIA

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:26 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

My response to Robert Plant was a bit over the top, that sort of traveller one-upmanship wasn't really called for. My point is that Australians are ridiculously everywhere in proportion to our 23 million population, so much so that any exotic airs about us (pfft) are long gone around much of the world. I'm not just referring to the Contiki/Topdeck/Busabout crowd terrorising major capitals. I don't know why locals in SEA bother so hard flogging us massages, Beerlao singlets and other kitschy souvenirs. Even in second/third tier cities, that other person with a backpack you spot across the road will invariably be an Australian.
That blonde American coed you were gaming in Paris? You're the nth Australian to have approached her in Europe, each of of them jacked and entertaining her with some variation of the cocky clown/caveman game. I too, naïvely expected local girls anywhere to spread their legs upon hearing the Aussie accent as soon as I stepped out of my dorm. A Canadian girl brought up the whole "you Aussies are everywhere" in my Sarajevo hostel. A shit test, yes, but she was still feminine by Anglo standards. Sure, I was by no means the first Aussie she'd come across, but she realised that I could walk outside and have my pick of hot Slavic tail.

Which in turn begs the question of why Aussie girls in Asia don't feel threatened by local women. Why they aren't immediately shamed into behaving more feminine and working on their appearance. It takes a elite level of hamsterising to write off the competition of Asian women as being below their level. Similarly, Australian girls I know that have travelled to Ukraine, Russia and Poland have collectively expressed the belief that Slavic dudes are ugly as sin, and in the same breath dared have the gall to voice their shock and indignation that these same guys can end up with a hot, feminine girl (shock, horror!) as long as he's somewhat got his shit together (read: has a job, isn't an alcoholic).
Are they that happy to shut themselves out of the dating market? A Dutch sailing buddy told me how he was put off by local girls when did a Working Holiday in Oz. The binge drinking, swearing, burping and other masculine behaviour. Surely he wasn't the only one?

I have a theory on why Australian women shame the prospect of pairing up with an Asian girl as being "unable to land a girl back home" or "sexual exploitation".
Someone else might chime in with a more nuanced or accurate take, but here goes.
Bear in mind this have been expressed a few generations before millenial SJWs.
The habit of Australian servicemen bringing back war brides from Japan, Korea and Vietnam kicked off this feeling of Asian girls encroaching on Aussie women's territory. Australia was mostly involved in the Asia-Pacific theatre by the end of WW2, hence the relative lack of European brides (generally by the RAAF).
Sure, our women were much more feminine and still kept traditional roles, by having seen greener pastures, our subpar Anglo-Celtic genes in women became pretty apparent. Women were fast-tracked towards masculinity taking on further responsibility on the home front and war effort anyway. There was already a slight shortage of men from wartime losses. A similar angst would've erupted had Soviet troops brought back German war brides en masse.
European wives brought back by North American troops weren't seen as much of a threat because of the relatively large Continental admixture already present.

It was during the Vietnam war that even Australian men started to stigmatise Asian girls as being "wan dorrah me ruv yu rrong time" LBFMs. Ironically, the counterculture movement back home may have added to that. I mean, there was business to be made, after all, and seduction is as old a wartime spin-off as the arms dealer. Slight tanget, these girls had lost families and homes to bombing, they weren't all destitute initially; their brothers and husbands in the ARVN if still alive were woefully underequipped and unsupported, it was a cheap shot for the Allies to have seen them as whores and their men, cowards.

I was looking up the term "Bogan" and came up with this. Forward to 35 sec.










(WB, of course)

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Pretty much. Can't really bag on aussies too much really because i've seen a lot of Americans who exhibit identical behavior. The people always willing to start trouble (drama) abroad seem to overwhelmingly be from the anglosphere too.

Pissing on the fence of a military police barracks, entering a temple with thongs on, entering a mosque in a sleeveless, midriff-exposing top, and pushing a fuck-tonne of rupees towards the waitress and going, "Yeah just take it all" because you couldn't be bothered counting the exact change are among the sorts of behaviour I've either had the (dis)honour of witnessing or hearing of that make me not want to associate too much with fellow Aussies when travelling. Apart from the first, this is all whilst sober mind you (or hungover).

I'll usually make exceptions for those who are more alpha-omega -- those that strike out alone and hang out either with locals or non-Anglo travellers, but can still display alpha traits.

I felt the very intense no-Asian stigma too. It's pervasive.

The Australian dating market is divided between three segments :
1. Europeans/American backpackers
2. Native Aussies
3. Asian FOBs (fresh off boat)

Aussies are intensely competitive due to love of sports. The mismatch between the effort required to bang a hot Euro or elitist private school girl Aussie vs garden variety Asian is extreme.

The players in Melbourne or Sydney racking up 100+ notches a year are invariably 70-80% Asian bangs. It becomes seen as "less of a bang" because the effort required is not the same. So players get criticised for "inflating their numbers" by taking the easy route.

Banging Asians means you can't hack it in the Premier League. Problem is, because only 2-5% of Aussie white girls are actually hot, the guys then invariably fall short with a nasty 4.

It's also cheaper to holiday in Bali and Thailand than some Australia destinations.

Australian cities like Melbourne and Sydney are full of Asians.So no big deal to us.Some nights in Melbourne I see nothing but asians wondering the street.

While in Asia whoring is considered a national sport a group activity with zero stigma.4 floors of whores ,Pataya etc.If you didn't take part then you must be gay or a Trannie lover....which some guys love and make no secret of.."Mate it's a fucking bloke ya gay cunt"
"Yeah good fuck but...You'd fuck it wouldn't ya?"
The story would then become legend with gay trannie lover given the respected title of "Sick cunt".
No shame with some blokes.
Going to Asia to game makes no sense to this Australian mindset..especially to dudes working their guts out trying for sex at home.Or working in a mine with a 20 to 1 ratio of men to women.
When a fuck cost less than a case/slab/carton of beer they gleefully pay....I ain't judging these dudes alot are just letting off steam having a laugh...

Some develope an Asian thing and take it further getting into the culture language etc.They will go to Asia to game and do it Solo.
Some dream of and do open a bar in Thailand.Marry local girls.I have 3 mates like that, 2 hit the Asian dating web sites before they go.
My other mate is a fit 50 year old Bruce Willis type with a 22 year old Thai girlfriend..Some of he's family won't talk to him now,they refuse to take he's calls and cut him off their social media. They think he is making a fool of himself..I couldn't be more happy for the bloke.

I get shit because I prefer Europe and now the US.Mainly the arguement will be about cost of flights and accommadation.
If I went to say Thailand I'd be the dude trying to fuck Euros.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:26 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

Young Australian male travellers fall strictly into two categories.

The bogan package tourist: goes to Kuta, Phuket, Las Vegas etc. starts drinking at 10 pursues drugs, gets so fucked ends up either passing out, fucking a fat bitch or a hooker

The backpacker; travels solo or with his girlfriend. Absolute beta, listens to triple J and thinks he is the shit because he believes in feminism. Hipsters or Uni students usually.

I think Americans follow very similar lines.

Triple J is the shit!
You Australians make some pretty god music. Including the greatest band of this generation, Empire of the Sun... Also Gypsy and the Cat, Angus & Julia Stone, Georgia Fair... Just to name a few

[quote] (11-19-2015 05:30 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

[quote='CodyB' pid='1152769' dateline='1447892785']
Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

Young Australian male travellers fall strictly into two categories.

The bogan package tourist: goes to Kuta, Phuket, Las Vegas etc. starts drinking at 10 pursues drugs, gets so fucked ends up either passing out, fucking a fat bitch or a hooker

The backpacker; travels solo or with his girlfriend. Absolute beta, listens to triple J and thinks he is the shit because he believes in feminism. Hipsters or Uni students usually.

I think Americans follow very similar lines.[/quote]

Triple J is the shit!
You Australians make some pretty god music. Including the greatest band of this generation, Empire of the Sun... Also Gypsy and the Cat, Angus & Julia Stone, Georgia Fair... Just to name a few




[quote] (11-19-2015 12:33 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

I was looking up the term "Bogan" and came up with this. Forward to 35 sec.










(WB, of course)[/quote]

WB... reminds me of a lot of the trailer park hunnies I used to bang back home. Trailer hitch hunnies were always the most slutty cause they felt like they had something to prove... I exploited that mindset to the fullest.

The chick in the video has nice hips but no ass.... that offends me almost as much as her bikini

Quote: (11-19-2015 02:46 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

The mismatch between the effort required to bang a hot Euro or elitist private school girl Aussie vs garden variety Asian is extreme.

The players in Melbourne or Sydney racking up 100+ notches a year are invariably 70-80% Asian bangs. It becomes seen as "less of a bang" because the effort required is not the same. So players get criticised for "inflating their numbers" by taking the easy route.

Banging Asians means you can't hack it in the Premier League. Problem is, because only 2-5% of Aussie white girls are actually hot, the guys then invariably fall short with a nasty 4.

It has less to do with being able to hack it and more to do with what the realistic options are.

Unless you're well connected through social or familial networks, have ridiculous status, wealth or looks - often these top tier chicks in anglo countries aren't even an option for a one off bang, let alone the tight-rope walk that is ongoing gaming within a relationship.

The former categories may apply regarding the city you grew up in and the school you went to, but as soon as you relocate or drift apart from that clique (and the latter categories don't apply), then you're relegated to the ranks of stone-cold stranger like everyone else without any leverage (except your game knowledge).

It's been mentioned in this thread about the stigma of White guys being with Asian girls.

I think there is a similar relationship that exists between top tier chicks and average guys (or what they perceive to be average in their vapid little minds).

Combine that with most guys' preference for chicks in the 18 to 24 age bracket, and you're pushing shit uphill if you're age is outside that which is socially acceptable, since ageism is a very real cockblocker here.

There's pressure put on them to shoot for gold too, lest they receive the wrath of their peers and/or family.

So, I'm happy exploiting my strengths and comparatively high SMV when it comes to Asian girls, because I'm realistic about my options.

It doesn't mean "less of a bang". With the right Asian, devoid of the drama and high maintenance issues of a White girl, I'm going to say more of bang in fact.

Quote: (11-17-2015 11:12 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Aussie guys (and Kiwis) have got to be the most consistently physically impressive visitors I've seen in Thailand with natural alpha tendencies to boot.

Yet even though they could be smashing new Thai girls weekly, they mostly stick to dating nasty ass white bitches (Aussies, Americans, Kiwis, Brits).

What the hell is wrong with these cats?!

You know how girls with daddy issues seek out a similar type of men that would abuse and abandon them?

Those Aussie guys have mother issues, as their mothers bought into second wave feminism and became nasty and masculinised. They never knew feminine women. The guys are seeking out the same type of masculine women that would neglect, scold and fail to nurture them as their mothers used to.

Yes they tend to be more physically impressive than men from other countries, because in order to feel manly with Aussie women, who are very masculine themselves (from their massive build to their cunty attitude), the men have to be hyper-masculine in appearance.

However, their so-called natural alpha tendencies are only for when they are with their mates (male friends). When they are with their women, they are very whipped. I used to lift with this bloke who's huge and strong, with a thunderous voice. One day I watched him leave our group conversation and take a phone call. Suddenly he sounded like a little boy talking to his mummy. Gone was his booming voice, it was then soft, gentle and apologetic-sounding. Guess whom he was talking to on the phone? His LTR woman.

If you observe enough of these couples and their body language, eventually you will realise that the guy alternates between acting like a little boy around mummy to a mule carrying heavy shit around for his master who's too distracted by shiny things to pay attention to him.

Occasionally one of those guys breaks rank, suffers the ridicules from his so-called "mates" (who believe that throwing lame insults around is male bonding) and dates an Asian or a Latin American girl. The girl thinks she's just found the easiest to please man in the entire world, because if she cooks for him just a bit with her mediocre kitchen skills, he thinks she's an angel, whereas men from her cultural background will expect that as a bare minimum. Also, many times, the girl will be rather ugly by her mother country's standards, but to those guys, she's about half the weight of the Aussie women they can get, so she's their 10.

Aren't we a fascinating little big country?

This is one reason why you see Aussies having such a disproportionately large presentation on manosphere sites despite our relatively small population. The dating market here is truly fucked upside down.

Conversely, if an Australian dates an Asian who has an Australian accent - They're generally [With some exceptions] deemed to be punching. If he dates a Eurasian, he is almost always seen to be punching.

Re: Knocking Aussie guys who date Asian women.

"Feminism is a very close cousin of racism"

thread-29816...#pid573190

Had a great come back to a feminist trope last week.

Her: "You shouldn't do that!"

Me: "Who says that?"

Her: "Feminists"

Me: "oh... People still listen to them do they?"

Frame control. Just frame anything feminists have to say, as automatically wrong.

Like the link of my old post says.

If a woman is thinner, better looking, speaks more languages and is more pleasant to be around, why would you possibly entertain a conflicting opinion on what's a better woman?

My view on Aussie in SE Asia, if its Indonesia, they're treating it like a sewer. Gluttony on an epic scale with no consideration of the mess they leave behind. Thus transitory and they aren't building relationships. They're after ONS, and due to lack of understanding of how ONS are treated in Asia, don't try.

If in Thailand, they're only there to whoremonger, or buy OTC roids.

In Europe, its a pub crawl, and similar to Indonesia are only after ONS without knowing the differences in gaming locals, thus revert to gaming Aussies, or those with similar ONS rituals, such as other anglos.

I will caveat there will be some outside of this, many lone wolves who are curious and imaginative. I consider myself one, and much of the Aussie presence here. We used to be optimistic about most of us growing, but increasingly finding it futile to assume our bogans will change and assume they will forever lack curiosity.

Ever more so, we are increasingly finding fraternity amongst non nationals to find fellow curious souls.

I saw a huge difference in general class between Aussies traveling in Asia vs. South America (for perspective's sake, I'm American.) In Saigon/Phils it did seem to be a lot of roughneck dudes with bestial women. The Aussie guys I came across in Medellin were a whole different group- still pretty hard drinkers, but generally better-dressed, solid guys who behaved reasonably well, and the few who did bring women with them had some leggy blonde smokeshows.

There's no link to Soth America. Those that are there, are there because of adventure and curiosity.

I would think its a lot more expensive to travel to Colombia or Brazil from Australia as compared to Thailand or Bali. Hence the general level of people are a lot higher and you don't tend to see that much of the rowdy backpacker types.

Flights to South America are ridiculously expensive from Australia for whatever reason. Almost double what you'll pay to fly to Los Angeles or New York most of the time. Doesn't make sense to me but yeah that's definitely the only thing that holds low-middle class Aussies out of those countries.

Quote: (11-18-2015 07:26 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

Ah, but an American would understand how Aussies travel because culturally we are far closer to the US and Canada then we are to Other anglophone countries.

Young Australian male travellers fall strictly into two categories.

The bogan package tourist: goes to Kuta, Phuket, Las Vegas etc. starts drinking at 10 pursues drugs, gets so fucked ends up either passing out, fucking a fat bitch or a hooker

The backpacker; travels solo or with his girlfriend. Absolute beta, listens to triple J and thinks he is the shit because he believes in feminism. Hipsters or Uni students usually.

I think Americans follow very similar lines.

What a miraculously pathetic post! CodyB, I hate bogans as much you may, but don't make Aussies look silly by posting bullshit!! You're probably American or a POM anyway...

I have travelled extensively throughout the world in the last 8 years as a twenty-something Australian male (born in the bush, I might add).

I have never been drunk during the day, at all, whilst abroad. I don't like drinking unnecessarily because I have the most fun with women when I am sober and have my faculties at my disposal in full force, as well as seeing no reason why I would want to pay exorbitant prices for alcohol in a retail setting when I know I'm going to have a few drinks that night.

I never touch drugs.

I have never been to Phuket.

I aim for and sometimes get two 9s a week when I am abroad (a fact which has stirred significant jealousy on this site in the past making it perfectly obvious to me that this forum is full of guys who talk to hundreds of women in order to bang a few 7s and/or brag about having sex in places where the only reason you get attention is because the girls there are not good to look at, fulltime or part-time prostitutes and comparatively very, very poor e.g. Phillipines, Laos and Thailand).

I've never banged a hooker.

I've never banged a fat bitch.

I like to dress "up" during the day because I like to open good looking chicks going about their casual day, especially in the USA (home of the over-talking, annoyingly brash and obviously insecure, sounds-bisexual-with-his-twangy-American-accent white knight) where it is easy to bag 9s because while the blokes over there can't shut up, you can come across as the easy-go-lucky tourist who is confident enough to escalate and close pretty quickly.

So, please tell me, which strict (your words) category do I fall in?

What a feminine reaction...taking a generalisation so personally!

Quote: (11-21-2015 03:08 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

What a feminine reaction...taking a generalisation so personally!

What a dolt ... calling a response feminine just because it hits him where it hurts !

Fuckin' weak

Let me guess... you're a POM who does his hunting in SEA?

Please don't tell me you're one of those Lancashiremen or Yorkshiremen hanging around Nana or the beer bar complexes of Pattaya chatting to 2s, or Ladyboys!!!

Quote: (11-21-2015 02:37 AM)pamplonabull Wrote:  

So, please tell me, which strict (your words) category do I fall in?

Troll.