I am from London. Lived here all my life. It can be a tough ride even for the standard good looking guy.

Most hot single women in London are pretentious and have bitch shields. Add the social circle aspect and it's hard.

In the actual city, the best luck I've ever had, and I should know remember, is after work on a Friday night - places like Reflex at St. Paul's is a good place for workers getting smashed on cheap booze and dancing to cheese music off of the 80's.

As for tourists. Well that's a whole different problem. Roadhouse in Covent Garden is a good place as they have a live band and DJ so it's a good mix.

Junction and Picadilly Circus is ok and also the bars around the Ice Bar too. Just google it.

This is a quick post as I'm in Chicago on my iPhone but wanted to chip in.

A good place for Intel is to check trip advisor for what nightlife tourists are recommending each other and then check it out.

I'm same as you mate. And I agree, social circle is a very good way to go.

One thing I noticed that could be of value. Most guys are skinny as fuck here (hipsters etc.) when I'm walking round the Westend, probably only 1 out of every 100 guys I see is more ripped than me (and I am not massively ripped). Hitting the gym can be a v. good way to go.

If you're coming to London without money/connections then night game will destroy your soul. It's a highly competitive city with horrendous logistics, plus you'll get knocked on the door of every place that's actually worth going without a hook up.

The top-tier girls are in the top-tier venues.

For eastern European girls:
- Aura Mayfair
- The Drury Club

For local girls:
- Dstrkt
- Cafe de Paris
- Libertine

All of these places have heavy face control and don't let in fat/scruffy girls. DSTRKT was hit with this article this week for example.

I moved out of the city a while ago but still go to the above venues occasionally if friends are promoting. Personally if I was working in London on a budget I'd set-up base in Essex by one of the major night spots (Faces Gant's Hill/Nu Bar Loughton/195 Epping/Sugarhut Brentwood) and commute in from there. It’s a 20 minute fast train in to Liverpool Street and would solve your logistics nightmare.

Born in London. Lived here my whole life. 20 years old. Virgin.

Quote: (10-11-2015 05:07 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  

Born in London. Lived here my whole life. 20 years old. Virgin.

I find it hard to believe that in a city with a population of over 8 million, and a real diverse population at that, that any good looking guy who's not a social retard couldn't get laid. You must not be trying hard enough.

Bad logistics? If you run night game enough, surely you'll eventually run into some drunk whore who will do you behind the club or in a near-by park.

No social circle? Build one! Actually bring something to the table and people will gravitate towards you.

No money? Find girls who are in a similar position. There's a shitload of international girls working in London for next to nothing simply because they want to experience the hype that is living in London. I know for a fact that there's plenty of girls teaching in the public system over there, struggling to even pay their rent in shared apartments. They don't care about money. They're in London for the experience for a year or two, so go for them instead of giving all your effort to the girls working with bankers etc. Would you put yourself in direct competition without Lebron James in a dunking competition?

No luck with the in-demand white girls? Try gaming some Asians, Persians, Indians...whatever.

Quantity shouldn't be an issue. You shouldn't be a virgin at 20. Quality? That's another story.

You're 100% right and I hold myself fully accountable. I've been pretty bad looking my whole life and had 0 game but I'm taking steps to improve myself and get laid. But London truly is terrible for the mediocre guy. Even fat chicks have a stick up their ass and have been dissed by them. The native women here are truly awful.

Never put yourself in a position to be dissed by fat girls.

It was before or just as I had found this forum. It was out of pure desperation that I approached the land whale and got dissed for being short. I crumbled and it ruined my night. Now I won't even look at a fat girl at all. I despise them.

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Who cares what boxes overweight girls have!

Foreign girls are the way to go, whether they are in London or on the continent.

Damn, you guys aren't lying.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art...Scoop.html

I'm from london, its not a good place if you're average. Luckily I'm tall and dress well (nowadays) so I skate by on that.

I saw the below quote on the misc a while back , and it describes the average London night so perfectly, I had to save it to my hard drive

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Typical club night in London.

1. Arrive at a bar for pre-drinks after work. Roughly £5 a drink. Expect to spend at least £20, and to wait nearly 5 minutes to get served each time. You will probably find yourself screwed into buying a round for the entire party.
Bar is dark and sticky.
Conversation topics will include: work, career and life ambitions, travel experiences, future holidays, gossip about people you know and theoretical would you rather esque questions.
The conversation itself will 95% already discussed material, 5% unique.

2. You leave the bar, it's raining. You run for a taxi/the club.

3. You arrive and queue to get in at the club - circa 5-10 minutes. Either it's cheap studenty £5 entry up to £30 entry.
You immediately start queuing for alcohol. Wait 5-10 minutes to get served.
You will then run with your drink to your clique of people awkwardly dancing in a sort of wican circle.
Conversation from entry into the club is now dead - anything you say will be drowned out by music.
No one knows how to dance. You look down at the floor hoping people won't know that you don't know. Eventually you get so drunk, you just go crazy and jump up and down and hope people will laugh. They do. Ha ha.

4. The girls will generally all be unattractive. This is however, a meat market, so you will find every other girl glaring into your eyes everytime you lift your head up.
Usually girls go to the bar to try to get men and will try to strike up conversation. You will find yourself talking to a 6/10 in makeup glaring into your eyes edging closer and closer whilst you try to order a drink. If you don't go for it, she will and you will find yourself sucking face.
Most girls don't want to come home with you that night - appearing slutty, being with friends, having made accommodation plans, god forbid actually liking you - and so will try to fob you off with a number.

5. You leave the club. It's rainy. You feel sick. You get in a taxi and pay £20 to get home. You must have spent £100 or more this evening. But you're drunk so you don't care. You get home into your bed feeling horrible, wet and sticky with a horrendous headache.

6. You wake up feeling crappy the next day. You decide whether or not to text the club girl.
If you think twice, you realise you haven't been laid in a long time, so it's probably worth a shot.
You text her. She texts back.
If she's eager, she'll send you almost immediate texts back and if you wait too long between texts (like a couple of days), she'll get upset and will ignore you.
Oftentimes, she might decide to play a game, hard to get. Ultimately this leads to neither of you seeing each other again.
A minority of the time you will meet up again. You will realise this girl is much less attractive than you thought, and you wish you hadn't texted her. You're stuck now.
You end up paying for drinks (see step 1.), and at the end will get a peck on the lips. Most of the time, this "date" will not end in sex - and you don't want it to. Most of the time, if she likes you, she will try to boyfriend you, especially if you are attractive. You decide you don't want to girlfriend this uninteresting creature, and you stop replying to her texts.

And that is why I cut off my penis.

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Quote: (10-12-2015 05:17 PM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  

It was before or just as I had found this forum. It was out of pure desperation that I approached the land whale and got dissed for being short. I crumbled and it ruined my night. Now I won't even look at a fat girl at all. I despise them.

I've found that more and more overweight British girls have an ego and want what all other girls want in terms of men. Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that, but they're just not ready to settle for anything less because they feel that they're entitled to it as a "strong, independent woman blah blah". They give attitude to the guys who don't tick their boxes in terms of looks (but who could theoretically provide a good income) and get shunned by the guys they want because they don't tick the boxes for the guys. So the typical whale has found itself beached on an island in the middle of nowhere...and complains about it.

It's one of the main reasons why I've taken more of an interest in foreign women now - I guess I just find them exciting with the difference in cultures.

But man, you're in London! When I was there for work experience over the summer, there was a fair amount of talent walking past (compared to my hometown in Southern UK) that I just wanted to approach.

Where in the South are you mate, I'm in the South too, about an hour from London?

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frenchcorp that story is very very accurate.

Just wondering if the situation is like that described in the story, why are average people still doing it? Just to get drunk and forget about the world?

Quote: (10-13-2015 02:05 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Just wondering if the situation is like that described in the story, why are average people still doing it? Just to get drunk and forget about the world?

The general sentiment from guys is "may as well go out, what else am i gonna do on a friday night?"

I don't know if it happens to other guys who live in Ldn, too, but lately it has been extremely bad at all levels (online,nightgame,daygame). I had so much luck until July and suddenly the shop is closed. Hopefully I got laid a few times in September with a slutty Korean Spanish chick, otherwise I would have gone crazy. lol. Bear in mind that from October 2014 until July 15, I fucked 15 girls and from July till now 1.

London is a masterstroke of marketing spin. A great example of where the everyday reality of social dynamics could not be more different to what is portrayed on film, TV and in books/magazines etc. Even the internet hasn't destroyed the delusions many people have of London. Respect to anybody who bought in an awful part of the city 20+ years ago but now find it has become very fashionable. I have friends who did this and they never really need to work again from the crazy increase of London house prices.

London is all about niches and social circle. You can't just get blown around like a leaf in the breeze, otherwise you end up in that £100-for-rubbish-night zone FC posted about. You gotta be purposeful, have connections, pick the niche you want to own, where the talent you want is, and go do what it takes to get in those venues and social circles.

Agreed that it's a masterstroke of marketing spin, and if you buy it it will drain your wallet and leave you feeling disillusioned.

£100 pound is normal for a full night out in any UK city. I usually spend about £120 - £150 on a night out and could easily spend more (not week nights where I usually just go out locally and go home early though obviously).

Went out for dinner and cocktails at the Hawksmoor tonight. £145 (incl tip), £12.50 rail ticket. How much is a night out in rest of UK out of curiosity? I've never lived in any other UK cities.

I was always amazed how quickly a 100 pounds can be spent on a night out in London.

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Quote: (10-13-2015 04:26 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  

London is a masterstroke of marketing spin. A great example of where the everyday reality of social dynamics could not be more different to what is portrayed on film, TV and in books/magazines etc. Even the internet hasn't destroyed the delusions many people have of London. Respect to anybody who bought in an awful part of the city 20+ years ago but now find it has become very fashionable. I have friends who did this and they never really need to work again from the crazy increase of London house prices.

London's real problem is its "affordability". I am tight with one clique of international bankers & lawyers who live in Kensington and Sloane Square area and one clique of home grown North Londoners who may have been middle class once but due to property prices all have very capital-rich parents and arguably now top 1% UK. I'm not rich myself but I do have good social skills, dual passport holder and work in fashion industry so I can blend into these scenes without difficulty.

They all have solid lifestyles. House parties in West London mansions, access to promoters who run high-end clubs and get them in free, regular trips to South of France, New York City, Miami & Vegas, Berlin & Prague, lots of coke and pills, Secret Garden Party festivals, a constant focus on hustling with digital start ups and property marketing schemes, cocktails and dinners out in Soho. Property is expensive but they can afford the rent or have parents helping them out and can leave London anytime. They all have well educated international friends - French, Australians, Americans, Italians, etc.

What I find interesting is that they have little knowledge or interest in the rest of the UK (except Oxford), it's like some kind of embarrassing backwater to them where people read the Daily Mail instead of The Financial Times, eat shit food, get fat, can't handle their alcohol, dress like shit and will kick up a fuss about 5p bags.

It's a good life but the commonality is either £60/70k+ salaries and/or parents who will set them up with property, either now in their 20s or down the line when they kick the bucket. Obviously London doesn't work for most people but for a minority of the population it is a seriously fun global alpha city where deals are made, self-images crafted and big parties thrown.