Quote: (08-16-2015 07:30 PM)Agreddor Wrote:
Suits, global entry.
We can all agree that I and many hongkees dislike mainlanders; there's a reason for this, no one dislikes a race of people for no reason.
That's a different conversation. It's not news that there is tension between HK and the Mainland. However, you are claiming that Hong Kong is so much better, and Shenzhen is so bad that it's not even worth OP's time to mail away for a visa and spend two hours crossing into Shenzhen. That's a bold claim to make and on this forum, there is a burden of proof when members make bold claims, especially when they run against the grain in respect to what established members have stated.
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You'll view mainlanders a certain way and I will another.
If you've read my posts on this forum you'd know that I'm hardly one to argue the positives about Mainlanders. I'm simply responding to your bold claim that Shenzhen is so terrible and Hong Kong so superior, that OP shouldn't bother having a look for himself.
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Refute what I say, but at the end of the day, the both of you are still foreigners while my roots are in hongkong; you can lean the language, immigrate here, but will you truly understand all The idiosyncrasies of the Chinese people and women?
This tired old argument isn't even worth responding to.
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By your standards, Mainland women are pleasant, beautiful, feminine but what yardstick are you using?
You are putting words in my mouth. I've never said any of that. The closest I've come to that is stating that people in Shenzhen were generally pleasant and that Shenzhen is home to some of the most beautiful women in China (given that the city tends to attract top talent from around the country). But I've never stated that Mainland women are specifically pleasant, beautiful and feminine. In fact, I've always responded with criticism when anyone of the forum has tried to generalize about all the women in a country with a population of 1.6 billion.
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How does a Chinese persons yard stick differ from a western persons?
Unless OP is a Chinese man, I'd suggest that my measure stick would be far more useful for his purposes than yours.
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Right now what's happening is that I'm arguing with 2 western guys about my own country, the country I grew up in and this is counterintuitive.
How much time have you actually spent on the Mainland?
Since you claim to be from Hong Kong, a region with a radically different culture than the Mainland, I'd be interested to hear how you came to be so in tune with an entirely different culture, that to the best of knowledge, you did not grow up in.
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regarding ops question, I don't have statistics to back up what I say, this is a known fact that all the locals know.
Appeals to authority do not carry any weight here.
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Everything one needs is here in hk. There's no need to cross the border waste time commuting, clearing customs, planning,just to "sample" other Chinese "goods".
OP, I suggest that you disregard Agreddor's suggestions in this department. Shenzhen is definitely worth the trip, assuming that you've already secured a mainland visa or are in the process of doing so. To be honest, checking out at least two Chinese cities will be far more valuable than seeing just one, as it will give you a useful point of reference.
I was relatively bored with Shenzhen when I visited for a week and definitely prefer Hong Kong, but I certainly don't regret visiting Shenzhen and now have one more useful reference point that will serve me well in the future. Also, we have at least one forum member in Shenzhen (there was no one to meet when I was there) and I would argue that if he's up for a meet up, it would be worth crossing into Shenzhen for that reason alone.