and to get a girlfriend? or does anybody know of any guys, who are in their mid to late 20's, even 30's and older, who are not financially-stable, not self-sufficient, but are still able to get dates, get laid, even get a girlfriend?

I will admit, i don't exactly have a career yet, i do have a car, and i do have a job it's just not exactly a career job, working at a grocery store. Yes i've made some poor decisions earlier in my life, but obviously can't look back, but there have been times i've wondered if i will unfortuneately have to put my dating life/sex life on hold for a while because of this, something i would not be comfortable with, since i'm not getting any younger, but anybody know of guys that have been able to have success with women despite not making much money, not being well-established, self-sufficient, financially stable yet?

I will admit, i have never had a girlfriend before, and yes it kinda bothers me, thats not to say i'm a virgin, i had a FWB's who i lost it to, but i wasn't really that attracted to her, so i lowered my standards in order to make it happen, and the other time i paid for it by visiting an escort.

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Do you have to be financially stable, self-sufficient, in order to get laid, get date

No.

Quote: (07-11-2015 02:30 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

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Do you have to be financially stable, self-sufficient, in order to get laid, get date

No.

can you prove it?

^I've been proving it my entire life.

Quote: (07-11-2015 02:54 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^I've been proving it my entire life.

interesting, would love to hear other respones from other guys, looks like i'll have to wait until tomorrow

How old are you, Man?

If you're past 30, it would behoove you to start making more money, regardless of how it affects the women situation. I can probably get away with it because I have a lot of experience with women.

If you have looks and/or game you can get laid working at a grocery store, but obviously it will be better for your game and all other aspects of your life to upgrade your work situation.

Why are you working there? Are you living in a small town with limited options or something?

i'm 27, but i can pass for younger, and i guess going without regular, real, consistent sex, not having had a girlfriend this whole time, and not having much of a fun social life in general, as in never really had a lot of friends or a large social circle, has made it difficult for me to lack ambition in my life, has often made me depressed, unmotivated in other aspects of my life, i feel if i was getting laid and had a girlfriend a long time ago, i would have had more ambition and taken my future, developing a career plan more seriously if i had more success with women earlier, and that doesn't surprise me, i've heard that guys who get laid are more productive in their lives than guys who don't get laid, heard stories of guys quitting their 9-5 or minimum-wage job once they started getting laid, and no i live in Orange County, Southern California.

Please use regular sentences on the forum. We've got a thing about textspeak here.

Well, it sounds like you feel like you're caught up in a chicken vs. the egg scenario.

My best advice if you can't get laid - focus on making more manly male friends (way more benificial for making yourself attractive than recognized in the "sphere") and getting a better job. It's doable without but women aren't super excited about men who don't have these things in order, so it does make your job tougher. And both will improve your confidence and appeal.

In any case, you probably have a lot more power to instantly change your work situation than to instantly get better with women, so control what you can control, increase your confidence there, and then look for other ways to grow as you gain momentum.

Unless you're in management (and even then debatable), you don't want to be working a grocery store at 27, not for the long-term. Not saying you have to make money your master, but there's no sense in staying broke to work at a grocery store.

Dear H8Badboys216,

Between your username and what you've posted so far, you're probably going to be banned soon, but while you're still with us, I'm going to write you this heartfelt message. I hope it finds you well.

The short answer to your question is "no," and Beyond Borders, a man well respected within our community, was kind enough to provide you with that fine answer. You'll notice, that Beyond Borders is heavily repped by people who have met him and confirmed that he isn't a lying asshole.

He doesn't need to prove anything to you. He could attempt to, but it would probably be a futile effort, because it looks like your mind is already made up.

That being said, if you are serious about finding an answer to your own question, read through the forum. There is plenty of material here that will confirm that, yes, men can get laid without being financially stable and self-sufficient.

It certainly doesn't hurt to have money, but we have young guys here who have no cash, are in school and/or living with parents who still manage to get laid.

So, there you have it. You're going to be banned soon, but this won't prevent you from reading the forum. Dive in. Buy and read Roosh's Day Bang. It costs no money to approach women on the street or in the supermarket. And it costs next to nothing to invite them over to watch a movie.

You'll probably get more positive responses if you invite women out for a dinner or a drink, but you'll also eliminate a lot of time-wasting-attention-whores if you simply invite them to come over directly, so there is a silver lining to not being able to take women out for a nice dinner because you are poor. Read this thread for more information on this strategy.

If you live with your parents or have terrible logistics, it won't help, but this shouldn't stop you because there is always the option of banging at the woman's place.

Financial stability does help, but it won't stop you if you aren't.

We are believers in game here. Sure money, status and looks help, but we believe that at the end of the day, it's game that gets you past women's panties.

If you lack money, you might be at a disadvantage, and this will mean that you're game will need to be extra tight, but when you do reach a point of financial stability, you'll be banging a lot of bitches, because at that point you'll have money and solid game.

A good deal for a man with little cash is to run college game. There are a dozen threads on this topic. Go to a university campus and game the women there. Pretend to be a student or some similar story. Women in college will absolutely suck your dick if you have game. They aren't going to care if you are poor as long as you give them the vaginal tingles.

When your life is lacking financial success, then you believe that attaining it will bring you the pussy nirvana.

The reality is that there is no replacement for Game - even despite the fact that money (high amount of money even much more) helps in attracting women.

But the reality is that you can be a broke motherfucker - if you are good with women, then you will get pussy. You can even get pussy while being 55 and penniless, but the women you attract will be more like 40+ instead of 20.

That said - you get more confidence if you attain something in life. Most men who became masters in Game had some kind of great achievement - either financial, educational, sport-wise, purely intellectual (reading a ton of books on various subjects) - then they just transferred that experience to Game and began to fuck women.

You can do this even while having a minimum wage job. Still - over time many men here extended their self-improvement onto other areas of their lives and thus became more financially stable. Some even did the opposite and quit their high-paid jobs and chose to have less income, but more freedom.

So my advice: learn Game, practice Game, improve all areas of your life. If you remain humble and learn, then you will get laid long before attaining any meaningful financial success. And if you attain that success, then you can up the quality of your pussy and enjoy the spoils even more. Many guys here have met plenty of nice guy Betas who made 100k, but were either divorce raped, living with a bitterbitch at home or they were even incels despite all the cash they made.

can't seem to find it, but i'm subscribed to Tripp Advice's e-mail newsletters, don't know if you have heard of him, but i recall him saying according to Oxford University research, sex creates new brain cells, and men who engage in sex are more likely to make more money in life than guys who don't get laid.

Why not write your sentences like a grown man?

This isn't a forum of 15 year old girls.

Quote: (07-11-2015 06:12 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Why not write your sentences like a grown man?

This isn't a forum of 15 year old girls.

Everybody knows that one should start sentences with capital letters. To not do so is just plain slovenliness and most likely a reflection of the person as a whole.

Communication is a two way street; if one can't be bothered to do that properly then I can't be bothered to respond.

Your social skills are your main problem, don't blame it on your financial situation. Join a local boxing club, start going out to night clubs, network with other members in your area to start approaching and you will see different results.

Money just makes you more comfortable, it can help you to get better results on getting laid but you don't really need it to get laid.

Another option, why don't you travel abroad? If you choose the right location, it will be way easier for you to get laid. Better results tend to bring in better results, when you start having abundance of pussy, other women start feeling more attracted to you.

Quote: (07-11-2015 03:10 AM)H8BadBoys217 Wrote:  

....not having had a girlfriend this whole time, and not having much of a fun social life in general, as in never really had a lot of friends or a large social circle, has made it difficult for me to lack ambition in my life...

Listen to the guys who answered before me, they've been here a lot longer than I have and provided you with great replies. There's one thing I really want to draw attention to though, and that's your quote above.

There are many different approaches to "game" and there are varying opinions on this, but this forum believes that you should aim to have a strong lifestyle that women will be attracted to. While absolutely correct, as many members above me have pointed out, it's far from necessary.

However, you absolutely must free yourself from the thought that getting laid or having a girlfriend will fix your problems. It's on the same level as a broken couple thinking that having kids will fix their relationship.

Having a girlfriend will take a lot of your free time away and will make you spend money on things you don't necessarily want to or which don't improve you as a person. Thinking that a girlfriend will fix anything about yourself is going to make you desperate and needy both before and in the relationship. It's what makes guys frustrated, leading them to blame their girlfriends for their shitty situations, further causing them to take less personal responsibility. That's a negative cycle and something to avoid.

I'm not saying that you need all your shit sorted out before getting laid or getting a girlfriend - far from it. However, you need to change the mentality that she will fix your problems. This is a mental "inner game" thing and it's absolutely something you can do on your own.

If you were me and I could give myself advice from the future here it is:

27 is not too old to return to school and do the whole college thing. Get a student loan, move into a dorm, hold down a job part time, bang college chicks. Do this while setting yourself up for a better future. You are burning daylight. Either you want to improve yourself or not.

Good luck on whatever path you choose. Your description of yourself shows that you already know the answers.

Yup, we've all been lying to you. If you're not making over 300,000 USD a month as a CFO of a fortune 500 company, then pussy is not in your future. Sorry that we all lied to you about that, bro. But now you can spend your time building a company and trying to join the %1 pussy society.

Quote: (07-11-2015 09:00 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Yup, we've all been lying to you. If you're not making over 300,000 USD a month as a CFO of a fortune 500 company, then pussy is not in your future. Sorry that we all lied to you about that, bro. But now you can spend your time building a company and trying to join the %1 pussy society.

O.P. needs to go to the Naughty Nomad Forum, because the posts here aren't getting through to him. The best and most informative posts over there are the ones by Rocking Forever and Confuclican.

^ not sure if serious. I haven't been to the NN forum, but does it have good posts on things such as this?

No, but it makes everything way easier.

In fact, it's easier getting a job and a life and start getting bangs from those dividends than to get bangs from a zero point.

Quote: (07-11-2015 09:21 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

^ not sure if serious. I haven't been to the NN forum, but does it have good posts on things such as this?

I was joking. The Naughty Nomad forum is a graveyard of banned RVF members, and although it's gotten better, is crawling with trolls who get into pissing contests with each other. Confuclican is IRT and Rocking Forever was some guy who was probably banned from here multiple times under other names. Both of those guys were also banned from the Naughty Nomad Forum.

Quote: (07-11-2015 09:21 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

^ not sure if serious. I haven't been to the NN forum, but does it have good posts on things such as this?

NN is revered as the only good source of game knowledge on the Internet. Most the information here on RVF is suspect and you can't trust it. When we say you can get laid without needing money, we're just lying, because we don't want to share our MILF 4's and MILF 5's with anyone new.

The simple truth is that most of the membership here on RVF has been banned so many times at NN that they've just given up and post over here now.

OP would definitely fit in better with the serious culture over at NN and they'll get him on track fast. Here at RVF, he's just going to get bad information and will probably never get laid.

Life is about trying, failing and winning. Well a lot more than that. It seems like you want all the answers before trying. If it matters to you, you will find a way to succeed.

Quote: (07-10-2015 03:27 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  



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Some chicks will shut u down for it. But in general, no. I was mentally ill for a good chunk of my 20s, putting me a bit behind the 8 ball career wise. Lived with my parents longer than most folks. Doesn't slow me down a bit. Confidence!! Own it. If you dont seen upset over it, they likely won't either. If it comes up I usually say

"Yea the last 5 years were rough health wise, but I'm good now and will kick ass the next 5 and get back ahead" (change subject), and that's that. Don't sit and give some sob story about life. Own it, give a simple answer and move on. The economy is shit, you're hardly the only guy in a not perfect financial situation. Be confident and optimistic and very few chicks will shut you down, especially the younger ones.

Good luck. Game on.

Toad

As far as getting laid? No. But you damn well better figure out how to survive and flourish financially for YOU. Women should be a complement..Absolutely not a focus. Frame, frame, frame.